Dylan Mulvaney, a man who thinks he’s woman and the social media influencer who got Bud Light boycotted, appeared on ABC’s The View during Monday’s episode to pitch his new book, Paper Doll. While conversing with him, ABC News moderator Whoopi Goldberg defended men competing in women’s sports and suggested the opposition came from men who “don't know anything about our bodies.”
“I wanted to ask you because there's been all of this debate about whether transgender athletes should be able to compete,” Goldberg read from the teleprompter as she scoffed at a Democratic governor who recently came out against men in women’s sport for political convenience: “And last week California Governor Gavin Newsom said that he thinks that trans athlete competing in girls and women's sports was deeply unfair.”
Goldberg went on to suggest that opposition came from men who were ignorant about how women’s bodies worked, as if transgender women had actual female parts. She even took on a mocking tone for it:
GOLDBERG: I think part of the problem that the trans community is facing, and it's the same problem that women face, is if you don't know anything about our bodies, you don't know how it works. So, when you come in and you say, ‘oh, you know, these men -- these are men, you know --
NAVARRO: Competing against women.
GOLDBERG: Competing against women, you're assuming that the women are weak and just can't do anything except be here [in a mocking tone of voice].
“Have you seen female athletes? They know what they're doing! So, I'm not sure what's going on or why this is an issue!” she decried.
It was another instance of Goldberg proudly flaunting her profound ignorance of a subject. Of course, The View refused to speak with the female activists, like athlete Riley Gaines, who was out spoken against men competing in women’s sports.
Despite being a show that purportedly supports all women, they’ve never discussed the part of President Trump’s 2025 address to Congress where he told the story of Payton McNabb.
According to McNabb’s ambassador page with Independent Woman’s Forum, she “was knocked unconscious and exhibited a fencing response following a forceful blow to the head from a volleyball spike by a biological male playing on the opponent’s team. The sheer impact of the ball has left McNabb with significant long-term physical and mental effects, including impaired vision, partial paralysis on her right side, and anxiety and depression.”
Elsewhere in the ABC News interview, pretend moderate Sara Haines boasted about Mulvaney’s claim that he “came out” as trans when he was four years old. “Cause so often, sadly it's mis-assigned to schools, and someone is trying to change someone,” Haines lamented. “Oftentimes this happens before the children are even out of the house…I think that's just such an important point.”
Mulvaney recalled a story his sister told him about how he “went into the girl's bathroom in kindergarten and a teacher had to pull me out because that's where I thought I was supposed to be.”
In another example of the fact only one view was allowed on the show, contrast the Mulvaney interview with the fact that The View’s refused to bring detransitioners on the program to tell their stories.
The View didn’t bring on author and journalist Mary Margaret Olohan when she published her book Detrans: True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult last year. In the book, one of the detransitioners highlighted was Chloe Cole, who has been an outspoken activist against transgender ideology. The View hasn’t spoken with her either.
The book details accounts from Cole and others about how the transgender ideology preys on young girls, who were often depressed, suffering with identity issues, autism, and other factors through coercive methods such as emotionally blackmailing the parents and cultishly separating them from their families.
You can listen to the NewsBusters Podcast conversation with Mary Margaret Olohan about her book here.
The transcript is below. Click "expand" to read:
ABC’s The View
March 10, 2025
11:28:42 a.m. Eastern(…)
SARA HAINES: I think people need to hear this. When you say you came out at 4, I don't think people understand all the time that sometimes a little child will come to the parent – which is what you did – and said, ‘I feel like I'm in the wrong body, like, what I am on the inside.’ Cause so often, sadly it's mis-assigned to schools, and someone is trying to change someone. Oftentimes this happens before the children are even out of the house.
DYLAN MULVANEY: Right.
HAINES: Right. I think that's just such an important point.
MULVANEY: Thank you, and I think that -- I think I just -- I knew how I felt. I knew when I -- even my sister tells me a story of, like, I went into the girl's bathroom in kindergarten and a teacher had to pull me out because that's where I thought I was supposed to be.
ANA NAVARRO: Glad Nancy Mace wasn't your preschool teacher.
ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN: Well, Dylan. As you mentioned, you told your parents when you were 4 years old. How did they react then, and do they support you now?
MULVANEY: Yes. Well, I come from a very conservative, catholic family.
SUNNY HOSTIN: Oh, gosh!
MULVANEY: But I feel lucky because I now am in such a great place with them. There's love there despite our different views.
HOSTIN: Oh good.
MULVANEY: And I think that's what -- thank you.
[Applause]
Hi, mom. I love you.
And I think that's what's so frustrating about what happened with sort of -- I call it beergate in the book. But it's that I know that there is a possibility for love and understanding when a connection is made, and that's what I had with my family. And, you know, I think my mom said something along the lines of, God doesn't make mistakes, but –
HOSTIN: Exactly.
MULVANEY: -- I don't think God sees me as a mistake. And I actually am still really trying to keep a relationship with the higher power because I think that, you know, trans and queer people are entitled to that if that's what they're looking for.
[Applause]
(…)
11:30:55 a.m. Eastern
HAINES: As you've gotten more popular on social media, you started doing some brand deals with different companies.
MULVANEY: I did, honey.
HAINES: Including as you would call, beergate – Bud Light, a branded post that you did for them went viral. There were angry protests, denouncing the brand. The company got bomb threats. You were the lead topic on conservative media for months.
MULVANEY: Fair.
HAINES: It became known as one of the biggest boycotts in American history. Now, what people didn't see with all this backlash, it caused you to have suicidal ideations.
(…)
11:32: 54 a.m. Eastern
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: I wanted to ask you because there's been all of this debate about whether transgender athletes should be able to compete. And last week California Governor Gavin Newsom said that he thinks that trans athlete competing in girls and women's sports was deeply unfair. Now, I want to hear what you think because I -- I'll tell you what I think too.
MULVANEY: Whoopi, the last time I played a sport, I was 6 years old, and it was on a soccer team, but I assigned myself as the nurse so I sat with the Band-Aids. And so, in the worlds of Wicked, I am not that girl. Aut a dear friend of mine, Skyler, he is a trans athlete. His handle is pinkmannerate. That's somebody I really look to for guidance. And I think that's what's tricky. Now stepping into this identity. I'm still like a “baby trans.” You know, I'm only three years in. Tomorrow is my anniversary.
[Applause]
Thank you.
NAVARRO: Your friend went from female to male and is competing with other males?
MULVANEY: Correct.
GOLDBERG: Um, no.
NAVARRO: Yeah.
HOSTIN: Her friend.
NAVARRO: Her friend, who went from female to male and is competing with other males.
HOSTIN: So Gavin doesn't have a problem with that?
GOLDBERG: I think part of the problem that the trans community is facing, and it's the same problem that women face, is if you don't know anything about our bodies, you don't know how it works. So, when you come in and you say, ‘oh, you know, these men -- these are men, you know --
NAVARRO: Competing against women.
GOLDBERG: Competing against women, you're assuming that the women are weak and just can't do anything except be here [in a mocking tone of voice]. Have you seen female athletes? They know what they're doing! So, I'm not sure what's going on or why this is an issue! The same for me as when people say, oh, you know, I don't know how I feel about you. You do. God doesn't make mistakes.
HOSTIN: No.
GOLDBERG: And the challenge is not to the trans people. It's to the people who are not trans. That's what God is looking to see how you treat people.
HOSTIN: Yes.
[Applause]
GOLDBERG: That's what is happening. So, I was curious as to what -- I liked your answer.
MULVANEY: Thank you.
(…)
