While discussing the shooting of left-wing activist Renee Good as she almost ran over an ICE agent in Minneapolis last week, MS NOW host Katy Tur worried on her Friday show that DHS recruiting Americans who "like guns" and pro wrestling contributes to violent actions by ICE.
Just after 3:00 p.m. Eastern, the segment began with a clip of an anti-ICE protester in Minneapolis invoking his father fighting in World War II and complaining about the "brutality" of border patrol agents that he claimed to see: "This is just so un-American to see Americans assaulting Americans like this. And these people here is what's America -- protesting the brutality of what's happening in their cities and streets. And we felt -- we've never seen border agents before."
Earth to protester: illegal immigrants are not "Americans." They may be your "neighbors," but they're not citizens.
He soon added:
...and we were trying to protest what happened yesterday, that bloody shooting, but then to see what border agents are like. And this is our first, uh, uh, exposure to border agents, pushed down a snow drift. you know. We weren't part of anything -- aggressively assaulted. And, like, okay, that's what this is. That's what border patrol are. And they want fear -- they want to project that intimidation. And that's frightening for all of America.
After the clip, Tur echoed him as she claimed "so many Americans" are in sync with MS NOW:
That interview with Skip -- a Minneapolis resident who talked with our Alex Tabet yesterday on this show has, for lack of a better word here, gone viral. Why? Well, because it speaks to what so many Americans say they're feeling right now. Is this -- what we've been witnessing, what we've been experiencing -- really who we are? Is this really what our parents and our grandparents fought to protect -- masked agents taking people off the streets, targeting otherwise productive and law-abiding members of the community for immediate removal?
A bit later, as one of her guests, ex-Obama administration acting ICE director John Sandweg, called for greater efforts to de-escalate violence by immigration agents, Tur fretted over the kinds of people who are being recruited by the Trump administration:
Is it possible to get back to that given the way we've seen recruitment? I know Caitlin (Dickerson) will speak to this a little bit more. I mean, the recruitment videos that we've seen, the imagery that we've seen, you know, "protect our culture" in some of it, who they're targeting, the specific folks they're going after, uh, people who already like guns -- that they know, that they know already like guns; people who go to, like, World Wrestling matches? Is that the way to de-escalate?
Toward the end of the segment, the MS NOW host blamed President Donald Trump for "bringing out the worst in everybody," leading MS NOW senior contributing editor Michele Norris to complain that the administration is "intolerant" while the residents of Minnesota are "tolerant." Does MS NOW not accept any responsibility for the problem that "everybody is just so angry all the time"?
Transcript follows:
MS NOW's Katy Tur Reports
January 9, 2026
3:00 p.m. Eastern
SKIP, ANTI-ICE ACTIVIST: My dad fought in World War II in the Battle of the Bulge. He'd be rolling in his grave to see what's happened in America now. And America needs to hold up a mirror to see what we've become. This is just so un-American to see Americans assaulting Americans like this. And these people here is what's America -- protesting the brutality of what's happening in their cities and streets. And we felt -- we've never seen border agents before. We took the light rail down from downtown -- we live downtown -- and we were trying to protest what happened yesterday, that bloody shooting, but then to see what border agents are like. And this is our first, uh, uh, exposure to border agents, pushed down a snow drift. you know. We weren't part of anything -- aggressively assaulted. And, like, okay, that's what this is. That's what border patrol are. And they want fear -- they want to project that intimidation. And that's frightening for all of America.
KATY TUR: Good to be with you -- I'm Katy Tur. That interview with Skip -- a Minneapolis resident who talked with our Alex Tabet yesterday on this show has, for lack of a better word here, gone viral. Why? Well, because it speaks to what so many Americans say they're feeling right now. Is this -- what we've been witnessing, what we've been experiencing -- really who we are? Is this really what our parents and our grandparents fought to protect -- masked agents taking people off the streets, targeting otherwise productive and law-abiding members of the community for immediate removal?
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JOHN SANDWEG, EX-OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ACTING ICE DIRECTOR: It tells me that we need to do a real investigation here. I have concerns about how valid and legitimate this investigation will be given the pronouncements already made by the White House and the Secretary (of Homeland Security) that this was a valid shooting, but I want this to be an investigation that looks not only at whether or not the use of lethal force in those milliseconds as the car started to drive away was reasonable or not but also: How did we get here?
How did we get to a point where why were we not de-escalating? And how can we have gotten into a position where we could have avoided this in the first place? And I think that's the bigger question as well, Katy, writ large, is: What can we do at this point to de-escalate things? You know, ICE is a -- ICE is an organization that can do a lot of good, and, as (former) Director (Sarah) Saldana said is can get bad guys off the street and do it in a way without causing as much controversy. How can we get back to that?
TUR: How do we get back to that? Is it possible to get back to that given the way we've seen recruitment? I know Caitlin (Dickerson) will speak to this a little bit more. I mean, the recruitment videos that we've seen, the imagery that we've seen, you know, "protect our culture" in some of it, who they're targeting, the specific folks they're going after, uh, people who already like guns -- that they know, that they know already like guns; people who go to, like, World Wrestling matches? Is that the way to de-escalate? Is that the way to get this done respectfully and effectively in a way that the American public supports, John?
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3:13 p.m.
TUR: I guess one of the things, Michele, that, listen, I've been covering Trump for 10 years, 11 years, and I, my fundamental issue with him aside from policy and whatever decisions he makes is that he just tends to bring out the worst in everybody. I mean, the decency is lost. He gives license to people to be their angriest selves -- everybody. You know, it's -- it's -- it's law enforcement, it's protesters, it's family members, politicians, journalists, everybody is just so angry all the time in a way that did not exist the way that it does right now, at the level it does right now, at the, at the, at the alarm it does right now in any other moment in our history that I can remember certainly. I mean, I'm only 42, so our history goes back much farther, and we've been through very violent times, but this is just -- people are pissed off all the time, and they're so quick to assume the worst in everybody.
MICHELE NORRIS, MS NOW SENIOR CONTRIBUTING EDITOR: Well, you know, I'm going to speak to what's actually happening here in Minneapolis and the collision of cultures here because there is a structure of intolerance that is at the heart of the Trump administration which is colliding with a structure and a culture of tolerance in the state of Minnesota and particularly in the city of Minneapolis.
