"The View's" Joy Behar subbed for Larry King on CNN Thursday evening, and her first guest was -- wait for it!!! -- conservative author Ann Coulter.
Oh Joy!!!
The bullets were flying early:
ANN COULTER: In fact, [Barack Obama's] increasing the war in Iraq. He's continuing the rendition. I think either he knew this all along or he got in, got the national security briefings and said I can't let "The New York Times" run national security. That's too dangerous. So I had high hopes for him the first few weeks, though the stimulus bill sort of dashed those.
JOY BEHAR: So you would like him to continue torturing people, is that what you're telling me?
Yeah, baby!!! Part one is embedded right. Parts two and three along with a full transcript are below the fold (courtesy our dear friend Ms Underestimated):
JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST "THE VIEW," SUBBING FOR CNN's LARRY KING: I'm Joy Behar sitting in for Larry tonight.
And what a great night to fill in because joining me in New York is Ann Coulter.
You could say she's a little controversial, she's a little country, she's a little rock and roll. And she's got a new best-seller out, "Guilty Liberal Victims and Their Assault on America."
We'll get into that and a lot more.
But first, let's talk about our new president.
Welcome to the show, Ann.
ANN COULTER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Thank you.
Good to be here.
BEHAR: Is there anything you like about Obama?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, wow!
Like what?
COULTER: He -- he was totally playing the "Daily Kos" kids for fools on national security. He's basically continued Bush's terrorism policies. Guantanamo is not getting shut down. We're not pulling out of Iraq...
BEHAR: Not yet.
COULTER: In fact, he's increasing the war in Iraq. He's continuing the rendition. I think either he knew this all along or he got in, got the national security briefings and said I can't let "The New York Times" run national security. That's too dangerous.
So I had high hopes for him the first few weeks, though the stimulus bill sort of dashed those.
BEHAR: So you would like him to continue torturing people, is that what you're telling me?
COULTER: We don't torture people, Joy.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: We don't?
That's not what I heard.
COULTER: No. Though, if they're really bad -- no.
BEHAR: If they're really bad, we torture them.
COULTER: I was going to say, they start showing them old issues -- old "Views."
BEHAR: "The View." Oh, yes, you've on the show.
That -- did you feel we ganged up on you last time?
COULTER: No...
BEHAR: Or somewhat?
COULTER: It was a lot of fun. It was like the sisterhood of the traveling pants.
BEHAR: Yes.
COULTER: I'm expecting cards and letters from all of you.
BEHAR: Listen, you sold a lot of books that day. "The View" sells a lot books.
So what do you care if we ganged up on you?
COULTER: I didn't say you ganged up on me. You did.
BEHAR: Well, you sort of acted like we did.
COULTER: No, I said it was a Joyful occasion.
BEHAR: People felt that you were pissed when you left. I'm just saying -- OK. So what do you think about this stimulus bill?
Do you think that...
COULTER: I think it's a disaster.
BEHAR: You think it's a disaster.
COULTER: It's the Reward Failure Act of 2009. I mean it's not -- I like the title and so did most Americans. Support for it went from about 80 percent when people only knew the title to about 37 percent as people would find out more and more about it -- stimulative of big huge government programs. It rewards failure.
And who's going to be left holding the bag?
The middle class of America.
BEHAR: Yes, but, you know, your party has done nothing in the past eight years to fix any of this. They ran up the deficit.
COULTER: Well, it only started last fall.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I don't know what you're talking about.
COULTER: I mean the whole economic crisis started last fall. I promise you, McCain wouldn't have been our nominee. Nobody was talking about this until the fall of last year.
BEHAR: Well, nobody...
COULTER: The economy was fine until then.
BEHAR: Nobody seemed to have any foresight at all.
COULTER: No, everybody knew. It was exactly like the dot-com boom.
BEHAR: Well, then why didn't the Republicans do something?
COULTER: Because they were making money.
BEHAR: They were in pain.
COULTER: Well, everybody -- why wasn't everyone doing something?
People knew it was coming the same way people knew that, you know, Pets.com 10 years earlier wasn't worth more than G.M. and G.E. and IBM combined. People knew that these Internet stocks weren't worth as much as people were paying for them. People knew that these subprime mortgages we're not -- that the housing couldn't keep going up forever.
BEHAR: But what... COULTER: But as long as you're making money, it continues. It happens with all sorts of things.
BEHAR: But the Republican Party has now basically turned its back on this, except for three people -- Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins and Arlen Specter, right. So those are the only three Republicans who say, OK, we're going to...
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: ...we're going to try and do something.
What have Republicans come up with?
COULTER: No, that...
BEHAR: They have no plan.
COULTER: OK, first of all, there is no clear evidence that those three -- Collins, Snowe and Specter -- are Republicans or I would demand that Michael Steele cut them out.
BEHAR: You're just saying that because they don't agree with you.
COULTER: No, no, no. Look, I mean, when you get every Republican in the House plus 14 and then nine Democrats voting against this bill, that's where the bipartisanship is -- against the creeping -- it's not creeping socialism, it's galloping socialism and it's -- it's theft. It's immoral.
This -- it's shocking, the stimulus bill...
BEHAR: You exaggerate.
COULTER: I'm not exaggerating.
BEHAR: You exaggerate.
COULTER: And the only hope is that Republicans will come zooming back in two years and it won't go into effect because...
BEHAR: Do you...
COULTER: ...because this is a disaster. And, by the way, people -- people who think that just because their taxes aren't going up right now -- OK, you know, maybe I won't benefit from the stimulus bill, but I won't be hurt -- you will be hurt.
BEHAR: Would you...
COULTER: You will be hurt.
BEHAR: Would you -- let me ask you...
COULTER: Everything you've made until now will be worth half as much. BEHAR: All right.
Would you rather that it fail so that the Republicans can be back in power in 2010...
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
BEHAR: ...rather than try to do something for the American people?
COULTER: No. It has nothing to do with being back in power...
BEHAR: But last -- answer the question.
COULTER: No. I've answered.
BEHAR: Would you -- would you -- well, let's say it passed...
COULTER: It has nothing to do with Republicans being in power.
BEHAR: Let's say it does really work.
COULTER: It can't.
BEHAR: What if it does really great?
How do you know?
You don't know that.
COULTER: Because massive socialism has never worked. I mean, Argentina tried it. Japan tried it. They have higher I.Q.s than we do. You can't borrow a trillion dollars. We don't have a trillion dollars. You know what that means, Joy?
That means you either are here in hock to China.
BEHAR: Who...
COULTER: And there is definitely massive inflation, because you start printing money. That means any dollar you have today will be worth 50 cents in a few years.
BEHAR: But who are we indebted to for the Iraq War, for example, where we spent a trillion dollars also?
COULTER: OK, but the -- look, each...
BEHAR: And Bush and his people brought the deficit up incredibly.
So who are we in debt to for that?
COULTER: Yes. And the deficit's very bad. And Republicans have been the ones talking about it for years.
BEHAR: I never heard... COULTER: I think it was Bob Dole who said...
BEHAR: Oh, Bob.
COULTER: Let them -- let them run on the deficit. We've been running on it for 30 years. Americans don't care. Each president, because of spending of the government, each president has a bigger deficit than the last one. You know what the entire deficit...
BEHAR: Wait a minute. Wait, but take a break.
COULTER: The entire deficit under George Bush that you're so worried about is $400 billion. This stimulus bill was nearly a trillion.
BEHAR: Well, that's not true. First of all, everybody knows -- and we're -- I'm not a political person exactly. But everybody knows at this point that George Bush got a great surplus when he came into office and he squandered it. Everyone knows that.
COULTER: It's -- it was a surplus on paper.
BEHAR: Oh, I see. OK.
Now, are you frightened or gleeful that Rush Limbaugh seems to be the head of your party these days?
COULTER: Oh, I think it's fantastic.
BEHAR: Really?
COULTER: Yes. I'd rather have somebody -- I mean I hope -- actually, we do have one -- not that I'd rather have some, but I would like more Republicans running for office who can talk like Rush Limbaugh can.
BEHAR: Do you consider Rush Limbaugh a Republican?
I consider him extreme right-winger. I don't consider him a Republican.
COULTER: An extreme right-winger...
BEHAR: Don't you think?
COULTER: ...with 20 million listeners.
BEHAR: Well, you know, that doesn't mean anything to me.
COULTER: Well...
BEHAR: That he has 20 million listeners?
COULTER: It does when you have...
BEHAR: That doesn't mean that 20 million people are agreeing with him, you know.
COULTER: I...
BEHAR: It means that they're listening.
COULTER: I think it means something...
BEHAR: A lot of people are very masochistic and they'll listen to Rush Limbaugh.
COULTER: You're saying that his 20 million listeners hate him and disagree with him?
BEHAR: No, not all. But not everybody agrees with him.
COULTER: If you're describing someone as extreme, I think it can't be someone who is massively popular with -- with the American people. I mean that's -- that's dead down the center.
BEHAR: OK.
All right, let me ask you something else. Now you -- now, one of the...
COULTER: Do you listen to Rush, by the way?
BEHAR: I used to work with him. I was on the same station.
COULTER: But you don't listen to him?
BEHAR: No.
COULTER: Well, OK.
Then how can you even describe him as extreme?
We could interview one of the 20 million people who listen to him everyday.
BEHAR: But I'm not that into somebody who filibusters like that. I like a conversation.
COULTER: You don't listen to him.
How do you know he filibusters?
BEHAR: Because I worked with him for three years and I know what he does.
COULTER: (INAUDIBLE).
BEHAR: I used to work with him in the early '90s. I had a radio show on WABC Radio.
COULTER: OK. So from 20 years ago, you have decided you know that he is an extremist? BEHAR: I see him all the time. I know...
COULTER: When he has 20 million listeners.
BEHAR: I know his routine. I know his rap.
COULTER: More than anyone on TV. More than Oprah.
Do you think everybody watching Oprah hates her?
BEHAR: I don't know.
COULTER: They're just watching it out of schadenfreude.
BEHAR: Out of schaden...
COULTER: Would you ask Oprah...
BEHAR: OK. You know, we've got...
COULTER: Do people hate you?
BEHAR: Do people hate you?
I'd like to ask you that?
COULTER: No.
BEHAR: Do you think that people hate you?
COULTER: No. Not when I have seven "New York Times" best-sellers. No, I'm -- I'm very popular.
BEHAR: But you -- no, you can't have everybody love you. Not everybody loves you, Ann. People think that...
COULTER: You asked me if people hated me.
BEHAR: I know. But you say...
COULTER: And suddenly...
BEHAR: You're saying...
COULTER: ...(INAUDIBLE) saying no they don't hate me...
BEHAR: You're saying, though...
COULTER: (INAUDIBLE) everybody loves me.
BEHAR: But you said because you sell books that makes you people -- that makes you think that people love you.
COULTER: No.
BEHAR: Just because... COULTER: I said that indicates to me that they do not hate me, which was the question, Joy.
BEHAR: OK.
Has Ann ever dated a liberal?
You'll find out if you stay with us.
Have you?
We'll find out later.
Don't tell me now.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: OK. We're back with Ann Coulter.
You know, I actually read your book, Ann. I'll plug it for you.
COULTER: Isn't it fabulous?
BEHAR: Yes. You've said -- this is a quote: "The media really wanted to screw Obama, but only in the sense that they wanted to have sex with him."
COULTER: Right.
BEHAR: Now, what does that mean?
Did you want to have sex with George Bush?
What are you talking about?
They wanted to have sex with him?
Does Morley Safer want to have sex with Obama?
COULTER: Probably.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I mean come on.
COULTER: Probably. And I know Chris Matthews does.
What it means is I was talking about how -- how the media was treating -- I believe that's the part where I was talking about how the media switched from the Clintons, who used to be the golden boys -- or couple. She used to be so smart and he was so sexy. Well, all of that ended.
BEHAR: The media...
COULTER: The new golden boy came along. BEHAR: The media was on his case with the Monica Lewinsky thing, I included. So don't say that they loved the Clintons.
COULTER: OK. That came...
BEHAR: They were on them constantly.
COULTER: That came in the end of his administration.
BEHAR: Well, whenever, it was.
COULTER: And they still kept talking about how wildly popular he was. But he couldn't get 50 percent of the country to vote for him and I keep hearing about all the personal magnetism when he walked into the room. OK (INAUDIBLE)...
BEHAR: Well, Obama is very, very charismatic and he's very popular. He's popular in the world. They love him every place. George Bush never got that type of reception and you know it.
COULTER: You're basing that on what?
I think I can call him an extremist if you're going to call Rush Limbaugh an extremist.
BEHAR: Well, I called Rush a terrorist sometimes, too.
But you know what, someone from the right-wing media -- "National Review" editor Rick -- Rich Lowry -- do you know him?
Is he a pal?
Have you dated him?
COULTER: No.
BEHAR: OK. Well, when Sarah Palin was doing the convention, he said -- he wrote -- I just love this: "When Palin dropped her first wink, I sat up a little straighter on the couch and said hey, she's winking at me."
Do you think he wanted to screw Sarah Palin?
COULTER: No. I also don't think he's a very good writer, so quote somebody else. Ooh, like me. There's my book.
BEHAR: Oh, so you -- so, but I'm showing you that they were in love with Sarah Palin on the right the way you say that the left and the liberal media is in love with...
COULTER: Well, I love Sarah -- no, no, no, no...
BEHAR: ...with Obama.
COULTER: I love Sarah Palin. It's just not the hormonal way they do in the press. BEHAR: That's so ridiculous.
You're saying that they actually literally wanted to have sex with him?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. Ann.
Have you ever dated a liberal?
COULTER: I tried, but I couldn't take the dinky little electric car.
BEHAR: The dinky little electric car?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Why?
Is that what liberals are driving these days?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Really?
I haven't seen any in New York City.
And it's loaded with liberals.
COULTER: Did you ask if it was in New York City?
BEHAR: Well, I mean I haven't -- this is the hotbed of liberalism, New York City. I haven't seen one electric car.
Have you?
COULTER: I don't -- I don't live here.
BEHAR: But you stop here.
COULTER: I do. I'm right here.
BEHAR: You go to the theater.
COULTER: I do not see a single car in this studio right now.
BEHAR: So are you saying that if -- that if George Clooney asked you out on a date, you'd say no, because he's a big liberal?
COULTER: Correct.
BEHAR: Really?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, what kind of men do you like?
COULTER: I like men, i.e. conservatives. I don't want them checking with the U.N. to get, you know, a resolution before making a move.
BEHAR: You know, it's funny that you say that, because I read this study one time. Don't ask me where, because I don't remember where I read it. But they said that conservative women have more orgasms than liberal women. Right...
COULTER: Oh, yes. That was in "Godless."
BEHAR: Why do you think that's true?
COULTER: It's heavily through the bible belt.
BEHAR: Really?
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: A lot of sex in the bible.
But I mean what's the reason, do you think?
I mean and do you think it's true?
COULTER: Yes. It's definitely true.
BEHAR: But why?
Based on what?
Is it because Republican women have more money and so they're more relaxed, is that what it is?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Or they can afford better vibrators?
What?
COULTER: It's because they take it more seriously.
BEHAR: Oh, they take it more seriously. I thought you were supposed to have more fun in bed?
COULTER: Yes. But you're not supposed to be in bed constantly and with every Tom, Dick and Harry, including the guys with the electric cars.
BEHAR: Oh, you mean those -- those whoring Democratic women who are constantly in bed with every guy?
COULTER: Basically, yes.
BEHAR: Oh, I see. OK. All right.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Ann was on "The View" recently and boy, was that fun.
Find out why in 60 seconds.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Ann was on "The View" recently. We had a good time.
Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM "THE VIEW," COURTESY ABC)
WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST: We are not attacking you.
COULTER: I have never heard...
GOLDBERG: You wrote something provocative.
COULTER: ...my book read aloud like you're reading "Mein Kampf"...
(CROSSTALK)
COULTER: ...and I just did.
BARBARA WALTERS, CO-HOST: Can I just read a section aloud?
COULTER: Yes.
WALTERS: OK?
COULTER: And read it like you're reading "Mein Kampf" again.
WALTERS: OK.
(LAUGHTER)
WALTERS: I don't think I did that, you know?
COULTER: I think you did.
(CROSSTALK)
COULTER: ...out the words when I wasn't sitting here.
WALTERS: Then let me do this. Throughout John -- in this case, I'd like to discuss something current.
(CROSSTALK)
COULTER: Yes, that was lovely. You can do the -- the audio book. Well, we don't know that much about her. I mean... (CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not attacking you. I just don't appreciate the way you're talking to her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean nobody is attacking you. You didn't have to talk to her like...
(CROSSTALK)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COULTER: You're not that popular on the show, I don't think.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I mean Sherri had to defend Barbara against you. She felt the need...
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: ...because you said that Barbara looked like she was reading "Mein Kampf".
COULTER: Sounded like.
BEHAR: Sounded like she was reading "Mein Kampf"...
COULTER: Right.
BEHAR: ...when she was reading your book.
COULTER: Yes. What a brutal attack.
BEHAR: But do you -- do you know, Barbara happens to be Jewish.
Does that a little...
COULTER: What does that have to do with it?
BEHAR: I don't know.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You know, why did you pick "Mein Kampf?"
COULTER: OK, if you can't mention Hitler and "Mein Kampf" when anyone Jewish is interviewing you, then how about not having Jewish people interview?
BEHAR: I'm just...
COULTER: What, do we have a list of what can be mentioned?
BEHAR: Just asking, that's all. I mean, you know what we can talk about...
COULTER: I think we need a NASDAQ ticker for which words can be used at which times by which people when talking to whom. And it would be constantly changing and updated all the time.
How about we just talk?
BEHAR: Don't you think there's room for...
(CROSSTALK)
COULTER: ...a good point and you're saying ooh, that was mean.
BEHAR: Don't you think there's room for sensitivity?
You know, like that cartoon that was in "The Post?"
COULTER: No. I think that is a perfect example of what I say in my book -- people playing the victim.
BEHAR: People look too politically correct.
COULTER: No, no, no, no. People playing the victim when they're the victimizers. You didn't play the way Barbara Walters read my book the first time. And she was spitting out the words like she was reading from "Mein Kampf".
BEHAR: You don't think you're a little paranoid here?
I mean she was just reading it.
COULTER: Well, I mean play it. Play it for our viewers. Let them decide.
BEHAR: Well, they saw it already. (INAUDIBLE).
COULTER: Oh, no, I don't think so.
BEHAR: OK.
COULTER: I liked that part.
BEHAR: All right. We've got to take another break.
What's the biggest trouble Ann has gotten herself into?
We'll ask her when we come back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: OK. Let's take a call from Columbus, Ohio.
Columbus, you're on the line.
Hello.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Joy.
BEHAR: Hi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. I just wanted to ask Ann, it seems like her whole focus is on what, you know, is wrong with President Obama's approach to finding solutions for our current situation. And I was wondering what -- if she's truly honest with herself, what responsibility she feels like, you know, Republicans and the conservatives have in this whole mess that we're in?
COULTER: Right. They have a responsibility to the Constitution and the country, which they are fulfilling magnificently, I might add. Are -- and what we have now, as I said, is this massive socialist bill that will transfer money not to individuals, not to create jobs -- to state, local and the federal governments; that will, by the way, repeal the welfare reform provisions from the 1996 welfare reform bill that was successful Bill Clinton ended up claiming credit for it. It has provisions to, oh, redo -- at the cost of billions of dollars -- these docks that are near Nancy Pelosi's husband's rental properties.
Chuck Schumer...
BEHAR: All right.
COULTER: Senator Chuck Schumer...
BEHAR: Ann, it's only an hour show.
COULTER: ...just said...
BEHAR: Come on.
COULTER: Well, OK. She wants to know.
BEHAR: It's too long.
COULTER: If you want to defend freedom, you've got to vote against this bill.
BEHAR: But it's too long an answer. We have only a little bit of time left and I have more things to ask you.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Like have you ever gotten into real trouble?
For instance, it's interesting that you called Scott McClellan retarded in your book.
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: You said that the 9/11 widows were enjoying their husbands' deaths.
Now those are two outrageous statements.
First of all, retarded people could get offended by that.
COULTER: That is true.
BEHAR: Comparing them to Scott McClellan.
COULTER: That is true.
(LAUGHTER)
COULTER: And I apologize.
BEHAR: I knew you were going there.
COULTER: Yes.
BEHAR: No, seriously, people do not like that, when you use the word retarded in that flip manner.
And that the 9/11 widows...
COULTER: No, but I think he actually is.
BEHAR: ...were enjoying their husbands' deaths.
Where did you come up with that?
COULTER: I think it is outrageous for the media to pick on the retarded press secretary and treat him like he's suddenly Zarathustra.
BEHAR: But if he was retarded, why did...
COULTER: I mean all along...
BEHAR: ...Bush hire him?
(CROSSTALK)
COULTER: ...that even when he was working for Bush. Because luckily for me, I don't have a job. And I can stay home and watch press conferences. You'd only see David Gregory getting into it with Scott McClellan. And I saw the whole press conference.
McClellan could turn, you know, the fact that Bush had eggs for breakfast into an Ehrlichman-Haldeman conspiracy. So he was...
BEHAR: That's pretty clever.
COULTER: ...terrible for the job.
BEHAR: That doesn't sound retarded to me.
COULTER: No. He was terrible for the job. He was not a Bush loyalist. It was one of Bush's -- it's his Achilles' heel that he kept going to Bush loyalists, people he knew. They weren't very loyal to him, in the case of Scott McClellan. And, oh, man, we've been through the Jersey girls a million times. BEHAR: What's the problem...
COULTER: I was talking...
BEHAR: What's your problem with them?
I don't really -- I never heard this before.
COULTER: Well, they're gone now, thanks to that book. So we can move on.
BEHAR: But why do you say that people who lost their husbands in a horrible, horrible fire -- in a terrible tragedy like that...
COULTER: I didn't say they were enjoying the deaths. I said when they were going around cutting anti-war commercials, cutting commercials for Kerry, using their victim hood to prevent anyone to responding to them, they were loving that -- being photographed for "Vanity Fair." I said it. We had an argument about it. I won it. They're gone. So we can move on to three books later now.
BEHAR: So. OK, let's...
COULTER: Come on.
Didn't I insult anybody in this book?
I think there are many.
BEHAR: Well, you insult single mothers quite a bit, I think.
COULTER: Excellent. I wanted to get to that topic.
BEHAR: Yes. You do insult single mothers.
COULTER: I don't think I do.
BEHAR: Now our -- you say practically that single mothers were responsible for everything wrong in the world.
Now, I was single mother.
Am I responsible for the financial turndown?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Am I responsible for the housing market crash?
COULTER: No, I think I make it very clear in that chapter.
BEHAR: Was -- is Bernie Madoff is a single mother?
COULTER: Moreover, you weren't an unwed mother, were you?
BEHAR: No, I was married woman, but I was divorced and then I was a single mother. COULTER: Well, OK. In that chapter, I specifically distinguish widows and divorced mothers from single mothers. We already have words for widows and divorced mothers. They're called widows and divorced mothers.
BEHAR: Why do you...
COULTER: Liberals try to include that in the category of single mothers in order to class up the category, like referring to the G.I. Bill as a form of welfare. And the statistics, by now, I mean we have 30 years of statistics. The evidence is in. When 80 percent of the inmates in our insti -- our prisons were raised by single mothers -- mostly unwed mothers. The children of widows don't turn out particularly badly.
BEHAR: But there are tons of people out there who were raised by single mothers who are doing quite well.
COULTER: Sure. This is looking at it from the other end. And when you have...
BEHAR: Well, why not look at it from that end?
COULTER: Well, because that's 80 percent of the prison population.
How about 80 percent fewer crimes?
How about the fact that, according to a liberal policy institute, if you remove the factor of single motherhood -- keep everything else the same -- residence, socio-economic status, income -- the difference in black and white crimes disappears?
BEHAR: Why (INAUDIBLE)...
COULTER: That is destroying the black community.
BEHAR: Why don't you blame the men who knocked these women up?
COULTER: Because they're not celebrated.
BEHAR: And, also, what do you think about Bristol Palin?
She's a single mother.
COULTER: I think she should give the child up for adoption or marry the father. I mean I say in that -- I sell -- I think the people who should be revered aren't the baby mommas, they are the people who have shotgun marriages. Apparently a lot of those shotgun marriages worked out because they used to have them a lot and the divorce rate was lower.
BEHAR: So you would rather that Bristol -- Bristol Meyers, I was going to say.
(LAUGHTER) BEHAR: What's her name?
Bristol Palin marry the guy, even though maybe...
COULTER: Or give the child up for adoption.
BEHAR: And then...
COULTER: I think I'm very clear about that.
BEHAR: ...give the child up for adoption.
Do you know what the ramifications of giving a child up for adoption...
COULTER: Yes, I do. I write about it in the book.
BEHAR: It's not that easy a thing, Ann.
COULTER: Well, for the child, it's a lot better. And that's what I'm talking about. The real victims here are the children who are being bought. The worst lottery ticket you could buy your child, being raised by a single mother. The best lottery ticket you can buy your child is to give the child up for adoption.
BEHAR: It's too simple...
COULTER: Just don't venerate these women...
BEHAR: We're not venerating anybody.
COULTER: ...and hold them up as -- yes, they are.
BEHAR: Agree or disagree...
COULTER: Then you haven't watched anything out of Hollywood.
BEHAR: ...with Ann, a lot of you are talking about her on Larry's blog.
And here's David Theall to tell us about it -- David.
DAVID THEALL, LARRY KING LIVE PRODUCER: Hey, listen, Joy, we certainly have been talking about Ann's appearance throughout the day. We've been monitoring the comments during your conversation with her. Some of the things we're hearing: "bomb thrower," "very disappointed," "venomous." And this: "I like Ann Coulter."
While you go to the blog, CNN.com/larryking, check out the exclusive extra that we have on the blog from an upcoming guest -- somebody you're going to be talking to here very shortly.
That's Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. They have 18 kids -- 18 -- 18 children. You're going to be talking about the octo mom here very shortly. And they have given us a blog extra about how to save money when you are raising kids these days. Again, that is at CNN.com/larryking. Look for that blog link. Jump into the conversation. We look forward for -- to hearing from you -- Joy.
BEHAR: Thanks, David.
They have a lot of tips, the Duggars.
Thank you, Ann, for coming on.
We do...
COULTER: Thank you.
BEHAR: You were fine. You were great. I loved -- I loved talking to you. Really.
