Making sure to start the week on a positive note, MSNBC’s All In host, Chris Hayes, and guest Tony Schwartz, co-author of Trump: The Art of the Deal, ganged up on the President to analyze his personal life and why people “hate” him. After re-watching a clip of the Trump’s ABC interview from last week, Schwartz began: “When you think about Mick Mulvaney standing in that office as the Chief of Staff to the President of the United States and he says get out of this room because you coughed, what you know is to know Trump is to hate Trump.”
Schwartz continued divulging his personal grudge: “To know Trump is to hate Trump. Meaning everybody who knows him deep down hates him completely.” Hayes jumped in with some helpful insight from Trump hater and author Michael Wolff: “I make no determination about the factual accuracy of the book, but he said exactly the same thing. That every person who works with him does secretly despise him.”
Surprisingly, it isn’t just people Trump works with, but also his family, Schwartz claims: “Ivanka despises him, Jared despises him, his other children…” Once again, MSNBC’s apparent telepathic abilities are astounding.
Schwartz went on: “When you are around a person who devalues you, humiliates you, ignores you, shames you, what possible other reaction could you have other than to despise him…” And the liberal media wonder Trump dislikes them.
Hayes and Schwartz continued to psychoanalyze the President, with Schwartz declaring: “The more insecure he gets, the more inflated he becomes. He believes even more in his omniscience.” Both men concluded that getting too close to the President is dangerous:
SCHWARTZ: Yes. So he will put up with anything, Bolton will. But Trump will turn on him one day. The opposite way he was the previous day. Good luck to John Bolton. Today it may be okay and tomorrow it won't.
HAYES: This has been true, Mick Mulvaney its been true Pompeo. Everyone has their limbs sawed off behind them.SCHWARTZ: Yes, and they walk out something close to impotent, I mean, he reduces you as a human being.
Because of course, Trump himself couldn’t possibly be human. In fact, as Schwartz put it: “I think he has a certain kind of demonic power. A perverse charisma that sucks people in and once they are in, it's hard to get out, and listen the proximity to power.”
Here is the transcript from the June 18 episode of All In:
All in with Chris Hayes
06/18/19
8:56:01 PM ET
TONY SCHWARTZ : When you think about Mick Mulvaney standing in that office as the Chief of Staff to the President of the United States and he says get out of this room because you coughed, what you know is to know Trump is to hate Trump. To know Trump is to hate Trump. Meaning everybody who knows him deep down hates him completely.
CHRIS HAYES: It's funny you said that because Michael Wolff, who has a new book out, gave an interview and I think there is lots of reasons that people have been skeptical some of the things reported in Michel Wolff’s book, one of the big bombshells denied by the Office of Special Counsel. I make no determination about the factual accuracy of the book, but he said exactly the same thing that every person who works with him does secretly despise him.
SCHWARTZ: Ivanka despises him, Jared despises him, his other children...
HAYES: You are deducing this from the behavior of the man you spent time around.
SCHWARTZ: Correct, I’m deducing it from the behavior and from the fact.
HAYES: Because he treats people like that.
SCHWARTZ: Exactly. When you are around a person who devalues you, humiliates you, ignores you, shames you, what possible other reaction could you have other than to despise him and what happens is, there is a percentage of people who feel that way and don't care. He's serving some other or they believe he is serving some other agenda they share. It is extraordinary to imagine the level of isolation he reached. He is alone in this White House. Remember when Nixon was walking around, talking to the walls? There was still a few people. There was Hagan and Diane Sawyer and a few people around who he would still talk to. There is nobody with Trump who he pays any attention to. Who he will give sufficient respect to that there is actual dialogue that can take place.
HAYES: That's what worries me. I mean this is sort of character study, but it's character study in the context of are we going to go to war with Iran?
SCHWARTZ: That's a conversation he's having with himself. He really does believe -- this is part of the doubling down. The more insecure he gets, the more inflated he becomes. He believes even more in his omniscience.
HAYES: Then there’s people who are around who opportunistically cultivate that to their policy ends which is also my fear, particularly in the context of Iran, particularly John Bolton who have we know for long periods of time desired this particular policy.
SCHWARTZ: Yes. So he will put up with anything, Bolton will. But Trump will turn on him one day. The opposite way he was the previous day. Good luck to John Bolton. Today it may be okay and tomorrow it won't.
HAYES: This has been true, Mick Mulvaney its been true Pompeo. Everyone has their limbs sawed off behind them.SCHWARTZ: Yes, and they walk out something close to impotent, I mean, he reduces you as a human being.
HAYES: Why do people keep signing up to be reduced. Even watching Mike Pompeo answering questions on the Sunday shows looking like a complete befuddled fool. An absolute fool stripped down, sitting there and trying to deny the reality. Accepting foreign interference Washington talk.
SCHWARTZ: I think he has a certain kind of demonic power. A perverse charisma that sucks people in and once they are in, it's hard to get out, and listen the proximity to power.
