As PBS prepares to defend itself at a Wednesday Congressional hearing, the Monday edition of Amanpour and Company seemed oblivious to the stakes the network faces. Guest host Bianna Golodryga welcomed transgender Nashville city council member Olivia Hill to not only declare there are “at least three genders” but also that people who transition the other way acquire “male privilege,” as evidenced by the fact that nobody questions their presence in sports.
Golodryga began by noting, “Well, there's -- what we heard from Gavin Newsom and his views on the issue as it relates to fairness. But he's not alone. Rahm Emanuel said that, quote, ‘Some kids in classroom are debating which pronouns apply. The rest of the class doesn't know what a pronoun is. That's the crisis.’ And we also know former Transportation Secretary under Biden, Pete Buttigieg, removed his pronouns from his profile on X recently.
She then asked, “So, I guess my question to you is, why do you think that an issue that really relates to or impacts a smaller swath of the U.S. population was not an issue that the Democratic Party could effectively challenge and address head on the way the Republicans ran with it?”
Hill began by urging Democrats to double down, “Well, the biggest thing that we have to do is we have to educate a lot of people. The thought of trans is not anything that's new. It's been around forever. It's just now being start talk about, it's just now kind of coming out into public. And the biggest thing that we have to do is educate people.”
Rolling right along, Hill added, “Because it sounds very intuitive of a man and a woman, and then when you start to throw in the mix that there is at least three genders, because we know that there's intersex, and all the things that change once we start hormones, we take hormone blockers and we take estrogen or testosterone, depending on which way you go, that a lot of things change, and we have got to start educating people.”
Hill appeared to be using gender in the more traditional sense, where it is a synonym for sex, and not the reworked definition that says the two are separate things, but fact-check: intersex is not a third sex. It never has been and it never will be.
Golodryga later re-asked her question, “So, how do you think the Democratic Party as a whole should address this issue going forward?”
Likewise, Hill repeated, “I think we stay the way we are. We keep fighting, we keep standing up, we keep educating people and we get people like myself out there to start to talk about all the things that change. Because the biggest problem that we have in the trans community is they see trans women and drag queens as the same. And we're not men in wigs. We're completely different.”
Women have been competing in men’s sports for some time now. Whether they be golfers, baseball players, football kickers, or hockey goalies, no one objects to it in principle because of the differences in male and female biology. They do, however, reject men in women’s sports for the same reason, but Hill didn’t seem to understand that, “An example of that is, is you never hear any talk about trans men in sports because the biggest thing that trans men gain is male privilege. And they're left alone. It's only trans women who have transitioned from male to female get the misogyny and talked to less than.”
All the while, Golodryga was uninterested in correcting or challenging Hill’s biologically-challenged statements.
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Here is a transcript for the March 24-taped show
PBS Amanpour & Company
3/24/2025
BIANNA GOLODRYGA: Well, there's -- what we heard from Gavin Newsom and his views on the issue as it relates to fairness. But he's not alone. Rahm Emanuel said that, quote, "Some kids in classroom are debating which pronouns apply. The rest of the class doesn't know what a pronoun is. That's the crisis." And we also know former Transportation Secretary under Biden, Pete Buttigieg, removed his pronouns from his profile on X recently.
So, I guess my question to you is, why do you think that an issue that really relates to or impacts a smaller swath of the U.S. population was not an issue that the Democratic Party could effectively challenge and address head on the way the Republicans ran with it?
OLIVIA HILL: Well, the biggest thing that we have to do is we have to educate a lot of people. The thought of trans is not anything that's new. It's been around forever. It's just now being start talk about, it's just now kind of coming out into public. And the biggest thing that we have to do is educate people. Because it sounds very intuitive of a man and a woman, and then when you start to throw in the mix that there is at least three genders, because we know that there's intersex, and all the things that change once we start hormones, we take hormone blockers and we take estrogen or testosterone, depending on which way you go, that a lot of things change, and we have got to start educating people.
And just because someone of power or someone of knowledge starts to speak of something about the trans community, it doesn't mean that it's accurate or it's true. We have to start listening to the physicians and the people that are in this community and the people that know the trans community and how we progress.
GOLODRYGA: So, how do you think the Democratic Party as a whole should address this issue going forward?
HILL: I think we stay the way we are. We keep fighting, we keep standing up, we keep educating people and we get people like myself out there to start to talk about all the things that change. Because the biggest problem that we have in the trans community is they see trans women and drag queens as the same. And we're not men in wigs. We're completely different.
An example of that is, is you never hear any talk about trans men in sports because the biggest thing that trans men gain is male privilege. And they're left alone. It's only trans women who have transitioned from male to female get the misogyny and talked to less than.
