It might not be surprising for liberal blog commenters or talk-radio callers to denounce Rev. Jerry Falwell upon his death, but it's a little more surprising when it comes to a professed Christian who's religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times. Cathleen Falsani reflected on her first reaction about hearing Falwell was "relief" and compared him to gangster TV character Tony Soprano:
Knowing I didn't have a deadline to meet that day, my first thoughts were not of what to say or write.
In fact, my very first thought upon hearing of the Rev. Falwell's passing was: Good.
And I didn't mean "good" in a oh-good-he's-gone-home-to-be-with-the-Lord kind of way. I meant "good" as in "Ding-dong, the witch is dead."
But that thought -- good riddance, I suppose -- was not meant to be cruel or malicious. [!]After all, the faith that the Rev. Falwell and I share teaches us that he was, at that moment, in a far better place, with Jesus in heaven, and not roasting on a spit in Hell's kitchen.
By shrugging off his mortal coil, the Rev. Falwell had ceased to suffer the pain of humanity.
Still, I'm not particularly proud of my knee-jerk reaction. But there it is....
My initial reaction to the Rev. Falwell's death was, and remains, relief -- not unlike the ease I felt when a particularly nasty bully who used to spit at me on the playground and threaten to beat me up after school moved to another town.
The Rev. Falwell was a spiritual bully. He was the Tony Soprano to Pat Robertson's Paulie Walnuts.
How on Earth can a religion columnist compare a televangelist to a malicious mob boss and killer? We could understand the typical Elmer Gantry comparisons, but Tony Soprano? Including Robertson on the list suggested clearly that was Falsani believes is that conservatism and orthodoxy are "bullying" and that liberalism and relativism brings true spirituality and harmony with God. Falsani couldn't let the HBO-mobster thing go:
People who know both of us have told me over the years that we'd probably have liked each other, the Rev. Falwell and I, that he was an affable, almost jolly man, not nearly as smug and awful as his public persona made him out to be.
I'm sure, were he real, Tony Soprano also would make a charming dinner companion, sharing his lasagna and an expensive bottle of Orvieto while telling great stories and asking how your grandmother's doing in the home. And then he'd have you whacked and thrown over the side of his deep-sea fishing boat. But he'd send flowers to the funeral.
After all, as another famous Christian leader once told me by way of explaining how some evangelicals turn on each other (never mind their perceived enemies): "We shoot our own."
I won't miss having to apologize for the insensitive, mean-spirited, sometimes downright hateful things the Rev. Falwell said in the name of Christ. I won't miss having to explain that not all evangelicals are like the Rev. Falwell, that not all of us are that self-righteous, judgmental and holier than thou.
The Rev. Falwell's absence from this realm will mean one less voice telling my gay and lesbian friends that they are somehow less loved by God, that AIDS is God's wrath, that they are to blame for calamities such as 9/11 or Katrina. I really won't miss the pain in my friends' eyes when they ask me how the Rev. Falwell and I could both be Christians but be so different from each other.
I will not miss seeing him on CNN, pontificating about what God's intention was in allowing and/or causing the latest natural disaster, massacre, plague, famine or terrorist attack. I will not miss the Rev. Falwell's voice or point of view.
Falsani does not seem to recognize that what she is writing can be very easily described as "insensitive, mean-spirited, sometimes downright hateful things...in the name of Christ."
This is not a surprise, coming from Falsani: in a 2005 column (loved by the far-left Truthout site), she found more charity for a "Jewish atheist" friend as they both denounced President Bush, who she found to be "downright evil."
While surely it is not solely Bush's doing, the moral morass facing (and, arguably, created by) his administration is as profound as any in our history.
Mired in political corruption of one variety or another, hamstrung (economically and spiritually) by an unjust war, and publicly shamed by the most despicable display of institutionalized racism since the slave era, as demonstrated in the unforgivably inept early response to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, the Bush administration has lost whatever moral voice it might have had.
And this week, as Republican leaders try to force a monstrous $50 billion budget cut designed allegedly to offset the mounting costs (currently in excess of $62 billion) of hurricane-related aid through Congress, it is clear that its moral compass also has been lost.
The proposed budget cuts, part of the so-called "budget reconciliation," would have devastating effects on the poorest, most vulnerable Americans, while allowing tax relief for the rich.
Maybe immoral isn't the appropriate word.
Downright evil is a better description.
(Hat tip: Dan Gainor)
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.





















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More hate from the loony left
May 18, 2007 - 11:18 ET by NoMoreClintonsMore hate from the loony left . . . It's OK though because they are seriously pissing off the religious right and it says here that these folks have long memories and won't stay home for the next election.
So they won't stay home for t
May 18, 2007 - 11:22 ET by LeonSo they won't stay home for the next election?
Perhaps, but who are they going to vote for?
Well, it won't be any of the
May 18, 2007 - 11:25 ET by RJWell, it won't be any of the weak Democrat candidates:
Shrill, pandering, socialist Hillary? Inexperienced Obama? Pretty Boy Edwards?
Can anyone imagine any of them as qualified to be President of the United States?
Well they probably wouldn't v
May 18, 2007 - 11:26 ET by LeonWell they probably wouldn't vote for a STRONG democratic candidate either.
I meant which Republican will they vote for?
That will evolve
May 18, 2007 - 11:30 ET by RJThat will evolve. Just as loony Al Gore and John f'n Kerry pushed many of us to vote for GWB, the antics of the unqualified Democrats above will alarm enough voters to vote for another Republican for President
Of course you could be right
May 18, 2007 - 11:35 ET by LeonOf course you could be right RJ but is this really how our political system should work? Constantly voting for what you see as the lesser of two evils?
What happens when people start voting simply to win and in the process, forget their core principles?
That's how I have been forced to vote most of my life
May 18, 2007 - 11:38 ET by RJ"Lesser of two evils is a catchphrase", and it's not accurate, but making a choice that isn't my first preference is how I (and I suspect, most Americans) have been forced to vote most of my life.
Speaking of that, which unqualified Democrat candidate will you vote for?
" our political system should work? "
May 18, 2007 - 11:42 ET by misterbill"our political system should work? "
No, but it is very often what happens. I am a conservative, I have voted for the Democratic candidate based on my knowledge of his/her accomplishments and positions on issue that are important to America. For example, the single largest foreign policy mistake America could make is to abandon Iraq at this point. Whether you agree or not, we are winning. If all major Republican or Libertarian candidates were for premature withdrawal and the Dem was for a win, I would vote for the Dem.
Now, that could be construed as voting for the lesser of two evils, by your definition, not by mine.
Why bother. Leon's question
May 18, 2007 - 11:29 ET by mattmWhy bother? Leon's question wasn't a serious one, it was just typical pot-stirring.
Wrong Matt. It's a serious
May 18, 2007 - 11:30 ET by LeonWrong Matt. It's a serious question. What candidate from the Republican side could they possibly vote for?
Why waste your time with that worthless post?
Which unqualified Democrat candidate will you vote for?
May 18, 2007 - 11:32 ET by RJWhich unqualified Democrat candidate will you vote for, Leon?
I don't agree with your unqua
May 18, 2007 - 11:36 ET by LeonI don't agree with your unqualified term, but in if I had my choice I would vote this way:
Biden for Pres.
Obama for VP
Biden can't win
May 18, 2007 - 11:41 ET by RJBiden can't win the nomination, so you'll be left with choosing the lesser of two evils.... ;^>
First of all, it's still earl
May 18, 2007 - 11:44 ET by LeonFirst of all, it's still early, he could have a chance. Secondly, I said my IDEAL candidates.
The only Dem candidate that I would consider to be evil is Hillary. IF and it's a big IF the three top contenders are hillary, obama, and edwards, I would vote:
Obama Pres.
Edwards VP
And you consider those two to be qualified, Leon?
May 18, 2007 - 11:49 ET by RJAnd you consider those two to be qualified?
By what standards?
So Leon, you appreciate all
May 18, 2007 - 12:01 ET by The Wicked ConservativeSo Leon, you appreciate all Bidens racist comments?
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a
liberal and he calls you a racist, sexist, biggot, homophobe, denier.
Biden
May 18, 2007 - 12:06 ET by Cool ArrowYou refer to the remark he made about Pakistani's wearing verry cleen sheets attacking on 7-11 with Slurpee bombs?
What racist comments would yo
May 18, 2007 - 12:35 ET by LeonWhat racist comments would you be referring to? His Obama comments that people desperately attempted to portray as racist?
Oh come on Leon. If Preside
May 18, 2007 - 12:38 ET by JimboOh come on Leon. If President Bush had said the same thing, you would have devoted an entire blog to it.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Hypotheticals are for the bir
May 18, 2007 - 12:40 ET by LeonHypotheticals are for the birds.
I think was Biden said was stupid and sounded moronic, but I don't think it was in any racist or indicative of racist tendencies.
Dodger.
May 18, 2007 - 12:42 ET by JimboDodger.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
How is that dodging? What a
May 18, 2007 - 12:44 ET by LeonHow is that dodging? What are you talking about?
Bush didn't say it so I have no idea how I would react. What is your point?
Your assumptions of my reaction are unfounded and worthless. What a pathetic post.
Dodger.
May 18, 2007 - 12:47 ET by JimboDodger.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Leon the fact that you would
May 18, 2007 - 18:31 ET by James2306Leon the fact that you would not react the same no matter who said it is very telling about your attitude you know how you would react and are afraid of the answer.
The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
You have a current map of hel
May 18, 2007 - 18:37 ET by balboaYou have a current map of hell? Is that a Thomas Bros. or something new on mapquest?
N.B. I would never vote for
May 18, 2007 - 11:37 ET by LeonN.B. I would never vote for Hillary, so don't even ask.
What would be the key issue that--
May 18, 2007 - 11:45 ET by misterbillWhat would be the key issue that--would determine your vote. Surely you are not voting on personality. Surely you are not picking Obama because you are afraid that may be misinterpreted as racial bias? What are your criteria?
Racial bias
May 18, 2007 - 11:49 ET by Cool ArrowNotice how much emphasis MSM is placing on polls asking if Americans would vote for a Black candidate?
I hope Americans aren't afraid to resist this senseless baiting.
Who you voting for Leon?
May 18, 2007 - 11:38 ET by acumenWho you voting for Leon? Are you pulling for the Obama guy or one of the gals; Hillary or Edwards? Or are you holding out for high-tider Algore to take time off from saving the planet to run again?
I'm not sure that those are m
May 18, 2007 - 11:39 ET by LeonI'm not sure that those are my only 3 options. I'm not hitching my wagon to any one horse yet. There's still plenty of time for things to change.
I agree Leon
May 18, 2007 - 11:55 ET by acumenThere's still plenty of time for things to change.
I personally agree. However, it appears the demedia have generally committed to the second coming of Clinton so it looks like the Dem candidate has been set in stone. Maybe that's because so many former Clintonites now work for the demedia. Fortunately we don't have that problem in the Republican primary. It doesn't matter who we finally decide upon, the demedia will hate the winner with equal conviction. I was leaning toward Giuliani but if Fred Thompson get's in the race that could change. I figured anyone Michael Moore goes after is my kind of guy. Thanks Mikey....
I wasn't replying to you, Leo
May 18, 2007 - 12:08 ET by mattmI wasn't replying to you, Leon.
There's a name for "reli
May 18, 2007 - 11:23 ET by mattmThere's a name for "religious" people like False-ani - Apostate.
BTW - Falwell was NOT a televangelist.
"BTW - Falwell was NOT
May 18, 2007 - 11:30 ET by MightyMouth"BTW - Falwell was NOT a televangelist."
Totally correct mattm! Unfortunately he has been lumped in with that group of monechangers. His LOCAL church used the medium of TV to further the gospel. At one time it grew to a nationwide audience, but now is just a local outreach for Thomas Road Baptist Chruch.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Question: Isn't anyone that
May 18, 2007 - 11:32 ET by LeonQuestion: Isn't anyone that does any sort of evangelizing on TV technically a televangelist, thus making Falwell a televangelist?
Question: Isn't anyone that
May 18, 2007 - 11:35 ET by misterbillQuestion: Isn't anyone that does any sort of trolling on the Web technically a troll, thus making Leon a troll?
Is my question not valid? I
May 18, 2007 - 11:38 ET by LeonIs my question not valid? I'm not allowed to challenge another posters assertion?
Leon, you know what I am ta
May 18, 2007 - 11:42 ET by MightyMouthLeon, you know what I am talking about. Calling him a "televangelist" is an attempt to put him in the same bucket as Jim Baker, Jimmy Braggert et al.
Look at your local television on Sunday and see how many churches televise their services. He was not the same as the now stigmatized "televangelist".
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I do put him in the same buck
May 18, 2007 - 11:46 ET by LeonI do put him in the same bucket as Jim Baker.
why?face piles of trials with
May 18, 2007 - 11:48 ET by vrwc13why?
face piles of trials with smiles
The reverend Al Sharpton is o
May 18, 2007 - 11:47 ET by mulerider24The reverend Al Sharpton is on TV all the time spouting his religious views, would he classify himself as a televangelist? Our church posts our preacher's sermons on the Internet, does that make him a webangelist? I called up to the local radio station and got on the air, does that make me a radio commentator?
mulerider
May 18, 2007 - 11:51 ET by misterbillPlease do not ask me to classify Sharpton. I will wind up being banned.
Sharpton
May 18, 2007 - 11:53 ET by Cool ArrowI think Sharpton would be a televaginalist
RO--good one!!!
May 18, 2007 - 11:54 ET by misterbillRO--good one!!! I didn't know Jesse Jackson had ordained Sharpton.
That would make him a telanal
May 18, 2007 - 12:47 ET by mulerider24That would make him a telanalist. Sorry, it's Friday and my brain is already on give-up mode.
your brain is working fine
May 18, 2007 - 12:52 ET by misterbillyour brain is working fine-- LMAO!
Anyone who is not white is off limits to criticism or jokes by the half vast self loathing liberals in America. What hypocrisy--sits right up there with hate crimes.
Will I be arrested because I hate hate crimes. If someone of another color kills me will he/she get two life sentences?
Jesse and Al
May 18, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Cool ArrowBirds of a feather. You might remember Jackson was one of the founders of Rap.
We need solutions, not pollutions.
We need reparations, not separations.
They need your money, I need their money.
My rod and my staff mingle often.
My mentor told me---
May 18, 2007 - 12:04 ET by misterbillMy rod and my staff mingle often. My mentor told me not to "carry on" with my staff. I was alone at the time.
All questions are valid in some sense.
May 18, 2007 - 11:48 ET by misterbillAll questions are valid in some sense. I responded the way I did because of an answer below. You labelled Rev. Falwell a televangelist. Others say he is not. The others seem to have more knowledge about the issue, therefore, you are trying to apply a label to the man and it seems , to your needs.
PS Of course you can challenge. When differing opinions are held, we then ask questions that are, by their very nature, challenges.
Nothing you do here is valid,
May 18, 2007 - 12:13 ET by mattmNothing you do here is valid, because you don't follow the logic of the prior posts and responses. All you do is drop a few bombs here and there without ANY logical or factual basis.
You don't know the difference between a pastor of a church and a televangelist...that is simply another in a long series of manefestations of your ignorance.
You want to challenge other poster's assertions? Use some logic, use some fact, otherwise you're wasting everyone's time. (Which is what I believe your real purpose is.)
Then defeat his point of view
May 18, 2007 - 12:39 ET by NL207Then defeat his point of view in debate. Leon is not a particularly adept opponent. This should not be too hard.
NL there is no debate on this
May 18, 2007 - 12:45 ET by LeonNL there is no debate on this thread. I simply asked who the evangelicals were going to vote for. I'm yet to get a straight answer.
As usual, the thread has become all about me instead of the topic at hand. Standard ops for the NB.
No, you attempted to reprise your taunts from
May 18, 2007 - 12:56 ET by RJOnly you as a sideshow.
You attempted to reprise your taunts from a few days ago. Your attempt was regognized and the spotlight turned on the weak Democrat field of Presidental candidates.
RJ - You are making an assump
May 18, 2007 - 12:58 ET by LeonRJ - You are making an assumption. I wasn't reprising any taunts. I was asking a question. Who would they vote for.
Wow you and matt are exceptionally wacky today. Tough day at the office?
An assumption
May 18, 2007 - 13:00 ET by RJAn assumption based on your past behavior...gee, how wacky
As soon as people like Leon a
May 18, 2007 - 12:51 ET by mattmAs soon as people like Leon and apparently you, come up with valid, fact-based points to make, rather than non-sequiturs which are designed merely to change the subject and stir up pointless bickering - not to have an intelligent debate, I refuse play their game.
I usually don't respond to Leon, but his comments on this thread were so way out of whack that I could no longer remain silent about it.
Leon, perhaps you didn't get a straight answer because you didn't ask a straight question... Get a clue.
How was my question not strai
May 18, 2007 - 12:56 ET by LeonHow was my question not straight?
What are you tlaking about? How are my comments out of whack? I asked a simple question. Who will evangelicals vote for?
Just because YOU don't have an answer, doesn't mean I was asking a ridiculous question.
Your anger towards me on this thread is insanely bizarre and I can't see where it's coming from. Not sure what you're so up in arms about and since you only speak in vague generalizations I won't even begin to speculate.
See, there you go again! You
May 18, 2007 - 13:16 ET by mattmSee, there you go again! You say I don't have an answer. That's a bogus assertion! Just because I won't lower myself to answer your question doesn't mean I don't have one.
Secondly, even if none of us here have an answer to that question that doesn't mean anything right now because we're still in the deliberation stage of the primary which will last for many months!!! Nobody has an answer.
Your question was also not straight because it was off the topic of this thread which is the hateful attacks against Falwell by some "religion" columnist, NOT about presidential politics.
I'm not angry, I'm incredulous. The fact that you take arguments against you as anger proves that it is you who is exhibiting insanely bizzare behavior - not me. My points only seem like vague generalizations to you because you are either unwilling or incapable of understanding logic and reason.
1) It's a perfectly reasona
May 18, 2007 - 13:21 ET by Leon1) It's a perfectly reasonable question. Why would you have to lower yourself to answer it? You don't think Republican strategists in the RNC are trying to figure out who evangelicals are going to vote for? So who is it?
2) You don't have to have THE right answer, I was simply asking what people thought. Opinions, ideas, thoughts. Why is this so hard?
3) My comment was not off topic, it was in direct relation to the question posed in the very first post of this thread. The Falwell hate in the MSM will lead the evangelicals to the polls. I simply asked the next question, FOR WHO.
You are angry and you haven't argued anything against me. You've simply made personal attacks against me. This is not an argument, it's you being angry that I posed a question you could not answer.
You're entirely, and probably
May 18, 2007 - 13:55 ET by mattmYou're entirely, and probably purposely, missing my point.... Have a nice lunch...
My point is that you have no
May 18, 2007 - 13:57 ET by LeonMy point is that you have no point except petty anger, thus making you pointless. Sorry tiger.
So all the MSM is teleevangel
May 18, 2007 - 11:47 ET by Dan The Man 2So all the MSM is teleevangelizing for Dem causes?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Typical idiocy, Leon.
May 18, 2007 - 12:08 ET by mattmTypical idiocy, Leon.
alive and.....well?
May 18, 2007 - 11:31 ET by acumenI meant "good" as in "Ding-dong, the witch is dead."
It appears the witch is very much alive, pretending to be a "religion" columnist at the Chicago Sun Times. Quick Dorothy, grab that bucket of water....
Hezekiah's 15 years
May 18, 2007 - 11:32 ET by Cool ArrowAfter hearing of Rev. Fallwell's death, I caught a snippet from a Christianne Ahmapoor excuse for a journalist segment in which Fallwell cited a prayer made by a good king who asked for 15 more years.
It's possible God blessed Fallwell with an unanswered prayer.
The result of Hezekiah's 15 extra years was the birth of Manasseh, the most evil king in Israel's history.
Coulter's column this week was great.
Most people that are Christia
May 18, 2007 - 12:18 ET by jpatchMost people that are Christian don't agree with a homosexual lifestyle. I would go as far as to say that most people in general, in one way or another, think that homosexuality is at the very least an anomaly, a biological defect, or an illness. I'm not a homophobe, or a gay-basher, I'm just saying what I think to be true.
Whether or not people think homosexuals are going to burn in hell, or to what extent that they dislike a homosexual lifestyle is each person's own belief, but why is OK for people like Al Sharpton to use the Bible in defense when he defends his ideals, but when Rev. Falwell uses the same Book for the defense of his ideals, ideals that are explicitely dictated within the Bible, he's a homophobe and a hate-monger?
Minorities in this country (much like the devout Muslims around the world) cannot endure a single word of criticism, and yet they are the first ones to launch myriad of vitriolic attacks against any person that says "boo" at their way of life. Draw a picture of Muhammad, and you have thousands around the world calling for the death of Denmark and America...draw a picture of Falwell engaged in a homosexual act, or any other "clever" jab at the man, and those same people would embrace it, enjoy it, and pass it along.
The minorities in this world have been pampered and spoon fed for far too long...it's time for the intelligent minds to come together and speak out against the rampant and blatently obvious hypocrisy that is polluting the world, and is causing much of our problems.
Hypocrisy and terrorism are one in the same.
hypocrisy polluting the world
May 18, 2007 - 12:29 ET by Cool ArrowWhy can't we find candidates who will admit flatly:
"Legal and Moral are different issues"
But no, we would rather entangle the two and play political gotcha.
Fallwell had a legal right to speak out against homosexuality and a moral duty to do so if his God so directed.
And here are some more wonder
May 18, 2007 - 12:23 ET by Michael ChapmanAnd here are some more wonderfully hateful comments from so-called compassioante "progressive" people about Jerry Falwell:
“And I think it's a pity there isn't a hell for him to go to. … [Falwell is] a little toad … this horrible little person … I’m glad to see that he skipped the rapture and was found on the floor of his office. …” --Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens, video posted on homepage of The Huffington Post.
Falwell was “a hateful pig.” – blogger John Aravosis
“The gates of hell swing open and Satan welcomes his beloved son.” – blogger Amanda Marcotte, former blogger for John Edwards’ campaign
“Won’t the good preacher be shocked when he finds himself at the gates of Hell this morning! Man, I would love to post that video on YouTube. I must go now and mourn, as I can hardly contain my sorrow.” – Wayne Besen, author, blogger, former spokesman for Human Rights Campaign
SO you decry the hateful comm
May 18, 2007 - 12:33 ET by LeonSO you decry the hateful comments about Falwell, but you don't decry Falwell's own hateful comments.
If you talk hate like Falwell, don't cry when you get hate back. You get what you give.
Hmmm interesting approach. Very unique.
Facts please!?! Name the &quo
May 18, 2007 - 13:05 ET by mattmFacts please!?! Name the "hateful comments" of Falwell.
Logic please!?! Your "get what you give" comment goes both ways, and is meaningless without a factual basis, which you didn't provide.
Ok Matty here's a few (and i
May 18, 2007 - 13:17 ET by LeonOk Matty here's a few (and i can't believe you'd actually ask this as if you didn't already know he said plenty of hateful stuff) So let's look at the hateful words of a man that John McCain once called "an agent of intolerance":
1) August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything.”
2) January 1999: Falwell tells a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist prophesied in the Bible is alive today and “of course he’ll be Jewish.”
3) September 2001: Falwell blames Americans for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. “The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’”
4) March 2006: "Earlier today, reports began circulating across the globe that I have recently stated that Jews can go to heaven without being converted to Jesus Christ. This is categorically untrue...."
5) 1958: "If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line...The true Negro does not want integration.... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race." Falwell went on to announce that integration "will destroy our race eventually. In one northern city," he warned, "a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife."
6) Let us never forget that he called the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Wrongs movement.
So Falwell has publicly spewed hatred on African Americans, Jews, 9/11 Victims, and Homosexuals. Is that enough hate for you?
It's Matt, not Matty - you're
May 18, 2007 - 13:43 ET by mattmIt's Matt, not Matty - you're sounding a little hateful there, Leon!
Those are opinions - not hate. They are based on a particular philosophy - and should be taken in context. You can agree with them or not, but they are not hateful, or if they are, then you have a pretty broad definition of "hate." Which would be fine, if you were willing to appy it equally -like to Jesse Jackson who called New York, Hymie Town, or to Hillary who called Dick Morris a "F---ing Jew B--tard.".
For example: When Falwell said God doesn't hear the prayer of the Jew he was speaking from a dispensational context. This is a basic tenet of many non-catholic denominations, i.e. that since the New Covenant, the only avenue to God is through Jesus Christ...therefore (in this context), since Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, they can't get through to God.
"And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood." Isa. 1:15
I guess God is a hater, too.
BTW: Calling someone an "agent of intolerance" or accusing them of hate is merely a way to discredit someone so people won't listen to what they're actually saying.
Leon, point to one statemen
May 18, 2007 - 13:44 ET by MightyMouthLeon, point to one statement that you quoted that is the equivalent to hatred for a group or person rather than an "action" by a group or persons. He really did believe and live "Love the sinner, hate the sin".
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Leon
May 18, 2007 - 14:07 ET by misterbillYou are guilty of a common mistake in judgment (as most of us are). You judge historical incidents from this lofty pinnacle in the year of Our Lord 2007. You were not around in 1958. I remind you, and I do think you need to be reminded that was almost 50 years ago. I grew up in a Northern city. I never saw a living, breathing black man until I was about 11years old. I was raised by two loving , tolerant parents who taught me that all men are equal and that prejudice was a very bad thing. I am white, but I was a victim of prejudice. It was minor, nothing to compare with what our black brothers and sisters had to live with. It was still generally accepted that white people were superior. You know that is wrong and so do I. Do you really think you would be so confident if you grew up in the time and place that either Jerry Falwell or I grew up?? If you really want to speak about bad things, why don't we start with the Greeks, move through the Romans and perhaps end with the countries under the Communist thumb in the last century. Let's talk about (validly), the mistreatment of our own Amerinds. We simply could not live long enough to discuss it all. Reverend Jerry Falwell was born in 1933. I suggest that you know little about how life was lived and the practices of that timeframe. I was not happy with everything that he said or did in his lifetime, but unless you are my age (and his) and grew up in that timeframe, you are just a giant intolerant, prejudiced person yourself.
You have been able to grow up in a much nicer, more tolerant world because of, believe it or not, the efforts of people like Jerry Falwell. I know he did not make it all the way into a world where a man of the cloth should be all tolerant, but he was moving in that direction. I will also wager that you do not begin to know what hard times are. When you have aged,matured and given of yourself to this country in one form or another, then you will be qualified to pass the harsh judgment that you have re: Reverend Falwell. You may find yourself, disliking a few things and admiring a few. Somehow, I do not think you will ever reach that plane of human compassion.
In closing, I ask you to consider if Reverend Falwell did and said what he did with the deepest conviction that he was working for the good of all.
We don't all agree with Rev.
May 18, 2007 - 13:19 ET by jpatchWe don't all agree with Rev. Falwell's opinions, but I thought Americans, especially those that consider themselves to be "liberal", are supposedly tolerant of others' views? The day this man died, there were many that exhalted, much like the thousands that cheered all over the world when the Towers went down.
As much as the Rev. spoke against homosexuals, he also represented the core values of Bible - reverance to God and Jesus, honoring and loving your family, and respect for others...it just so happens that in the Bible God bemoans homosexuals. To dance and cheer on this man's grave while his body is still warm exemplifies the soul of a terrorist.
Jerry Falwell danced and chee
May 18, 2007 - 13:23 ET by LeonJerry Falwell danced and cheered when Americans died in 9/11 and selfishly used his countrymen's suffering to advance his twisted pesonal agenda.
He deserves all the hate he gets. What he said about 9/11 is a disgrace and enough to eliminate all respect for him.
"Jerry Falwell danced
May 18, 2007 - 13:31 ET by MightyMouth"Jerry Falwell danced and cheered when Americans died in 9/11"
Really? Where did you get that from?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Yeah Leon, lets see this proo
May 18, 2007 - 13:42 ET by Clear thinkerYeah Leon, lets see this proof you have of the Rev dancing.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
This is exactly what I mean b
May 18, 2007 - 14:01 ET by mattmThis is exactly what I mean by not having any real facts, Leon.
You constantly make totally unfounded statements like that, yet still expect people to take you seriously...
matt...Funny how he can't pro
May 18, 2007 - 14:08 ET by Clear thinkermatt...
Funny how he can't provide a shred of proof and yet he talks as if he's all knowing and all seeing.
Another circle-talk maroon!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
oh and libs are tolerant to o
May 18, 2007 - 13:25 ET by Leonoh and libs are tolerant to others' views except when those views are themselves intolerant.
Oh and you say falwell spoke out against homosexuals - please dont' forget black americans, jews, and 9/11 victims
Again, you must be referrin
May 18, 2007 - 13:40 ET by MightyMouthAgain, you must be referring to your quote above (no context by the way) that:
“I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” And:
"God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything."
How do these statements make him a hater? He lumps Jews and Gentiles (basically everyone) using the qualifer "unredeemed". How is this Jew hate?
And he did say God hears them but does not answer them. Probably the same belief EVERY religious leader has concerning every religion but his own.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Falwell's comments were not
May 18, 2007 - 13:43 ET by dabalFalwell's comments were not of his own making. They were extrapolated from the Bible.
Your trite label of "hate" is growing tiresome to the intelligent. Just because I think homosexuality is unnatural (if all humans were homosexual, we'd be extinct) and has no place in politics or law, doesn't mean I hate homosexuals. I gather Falwell didn't hate anyone, even Larry Flint (whom I admire for his convictions). Falwell's mission in life was to save souls...something he tried to do constantly.
Homosexuality killed my cousin. If he were not homosexual, he would not have died of AIDS in the early 1990's.
I challenge you to find a statement from Falwell that proves he hated anyone. I'll wager a gentleman's bet. Any time you're ready.
I'm sorry it's impratical for
May 18, 2007 - 13:58 ET by LeonI'm sorry it's impratical for me to debate against willful ignornace.
The pot calling the kettle bl
May 18, 2007 - 14:05 ET by mattmThe pot calling the kettle black much?
BTW That's a reference to old-time kitchen equipment. It's not a racial statement.
leon - a cut and run response.
May 18, 2007 - 14:11 ET by misterbillleon - a cut and run response. You MUST be a Democrat .
I think Falsani is projecting
May 18, 2007 - 12:56 ET by daveinbocaI think Falsani is projecting her own venomous animus onto Falwell. Sounds like another secular-progressive has snared a "religion" column---a Fifth Column in a city of full of faithful Christians.
She's an institutionalized troll working for the Satanic agenda promulgated by the left for over a hundred years---just another feminist brick in the wall separating Christianity from its roots. Dollars to doughnuts she's a DNC plant.
Falsani is much more obnoxious and evil than Falwell, whom even Jesse Jackson admitted had a heart of gold, could ever be.
I just notice Hitchens empt
May 18, 2007 - 13:06 ET by daveinbocaI just notice Hitchens emptied his bile ducts on hearing of Falwell's death. Twenty years ago, we knew Hitchens and ironically used to celebrate Christmas dinner with this lonely deluded person. On these two occasions, Hitchens was especially depressed and spiteful. Once when my wife was feeling poorly, she went into another room to lie down and Hitchens told me to roll her up in a rug and set it on fire. This was Hitchens at Christmas dinner. [There were only two couples and CH as a singleton.] You can imagine how much venom is stored in this creature whose mother committed suicide with her lover when he was just a young boy.
His ceaseless projectile vomiting persists---spewing onto Mother Teresa and the Pope, among other objects this self-hater projects himself onto.
Everytime I come back to argu
May 18, 2007 - 13:31 ET by ferrarimanf355Everytime I come back to argue a point, the topic of discussion moves on, but here I go anyway. How can anyone accept Fallwell's half-hearted apology over his 9/11 remarks when he reiterated those beliefs twice?
http://www.americablog.com/2007/05/cnn-just-last-week-falwell-reiterated.html
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2006/06/falwell_still_a.html
Uzumaki/Ayanami '08. Because a ninja and an Eva pilot can govern the nation better that what we have now...
Its funny the libs cant sep
May 18, 2007 - 13:31 ET by charlietexasIts funny the libs cant separate truth from fiction. fact from lies. Falwell was real, Tony is fiction, I think?
Typical
reverend falwell
May 18, 2007 - 15:02 ET by clubdittocomthere is a movement of "christians" out there who follow people like jim wallace, who are anti-zionist (explain that one to Jesus!), extreme environmentalist global warming dupes, who very readily hate president bush and "the religious right". i have to say that i was at a loss to explain this until a read a book called "escape from reason" by francis a. schaeffer. the religious left has allowed their politics to inform their faith, not the other way around. as a deeply devout christian believer, it is very disturbing that "brethren" could be so divided from the flock. but there it is. the reverend falwell probably did more to give the religious right a voice in politics today which is probably more to the point of the reason for the hatred on the left than anything he said.
It is utterly bizarre how the
May 18, 2007 - 18:14 ET by fenderteleIt is utterly bizarre how the Christian ultra-right denounce global warming. I remember in Sunday school back in the mid-60's we were taught to be good stewards of the Earth and to protect God's creation.
The new Christian line of thought is to let everyone trash the Earth and its atmosphere because it won't matter anyway. The rapture will come and all the non-believers will be left behind to burn with the Earth in eternity.
What foolish statements, fendertele
May 18, 2007 - 18:19 ET by RJWhat foolish statements, fendertele. Do you have anything intelligent to add, like refutations of the growing evidence that anthropogenic global warming is a scam? Anything?
On the subject of being good stewards of the Earth, do you really believe we live to trash the Earth? How stupid. I challenge you to a lifestyle comparison. Let's see who is the "good steward."
How do you prove common sense
May 18, 2007 - 18:55 ET by fenderteleHow do you prove common sense?
Go to Los Angeles, Houston, Manila, Mexico City and tell me the pollution there is not caused by man and does absolutely nothing to harm the atmosphere.
How utterly bizarre, fendertele
May 18, 2007 - 19:00 ET by RJHow utterly bizarre, fendertele. Do you imagine that Christians or anyone who believes that AGW is a scam approves of the smog?
How elitist of you.
I renew my challenge to you. I'll start. What brand of toilet paper do you use? (do you even use toilet paper? That's not an insult, considering that that a goofy leftist has declared he won't use it for a year)
RJ...I'm not so sure you shou
May 18, 2007 - 19:08 ET by Clear thinkerRJ...
I'm not so sure you should encourage a debate with fender. Every time I read his nonsense I have this urge to take a shower and cleanse myself.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Fixated in the anal stage I s
May 18, 2007 - 19:11 ET by fenderteleFixated in the anal stage I see...
If I was anally fixated I wou
May 18, 2007 - 19:15 ET by Clear thinkerIf I was anally fixated I would converse with you.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
There's your proof.
May 18, 2007 - 19:16 ET by fenderteleThere's your proof.
Well, thanks for admitting yo
May 18, 2007 - 19:19 ET by Clear thinkerWell, thanks for admitting you're an asshole.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
I'm curious to see if you're all talk, fendertele.
May 18, 2007 - 19:20 ET by RJWhy is that, fendertele? It's a legit subject, if you're honest about your desire to improve the planet. But hey, if you feel vulnerable on that subject, there's many other "green" areas we can discuss. You pick it.
Come on. I'm really curious to see if you're all talk, like every other bleating feel-good phony enviro I've talked to...... ;^>