On Monday’s "Good Morning America," co-anchor Robin Roberts hosted a fawning town hall meeting with presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. During the opening segment, which encompassed much of the program’s first half hour, Roberts didn’t bother challenging the New York Senator and, instead, asked her softball questions.
She even told the former Fist Lady that "many people" felt her 1993 universal health care proposal was "ahead of its time." This lead to a question by an audience member who, in ‘93, just happened to have been on the Clinton’s universal health care task force:
Robin Roberts: "What you said then in, in ‘93, many people felt it was just, in some ways, ahead of its, ahead of its time. Somebody that was there, and wants to ask you what is different now, between what happened then, and he is Dr. Steve Eckstat. He is, he works at the free clinic of Iowa. Doctor?"
Clinton: "Hello, doctor."
Dr. Steve Eckstat: "Morning. In 1993, I was a member of the Clinton Health Care Task Force when we were attempting to provide universal health care coverage of all Americans. We were unsuccessful, unsuccessful then and now the number of uninsured, 80 percent of whom are working families and individuals, has risen from 23 million in 1993 to over 46 million. If elected president, Senator Clinton, would you be willing to try again to provide universal health care coverage for all Americans and make that at priority for your administration?"
At one point, Eckstat can be seen reading his rather lengthy "question." (See picture at right and scroll down for a transcript of Clinton's long reply.)
During a tease for the segment at the top of the 7am hour, Roberts offered a sympathetic spin of Clinton’s health care program:
Hillary Clinton: "Good morning. I'm delighted to be back here. It’s going to be fun. We’ll have a good discussion here today."
Roberts: "We will. It will be lively, I'm sure. And you have agreed to answer their questions on health care and veterans care. So we'll get your questions throughout the morning. And also, you at home, you can e-mail questions to the Senator at ABCNews.com, because health care, such a vital issue in this country. One in six Americans, one in six, no health insurance. So what can the Senator do to fix the health care system? Universal health care. When, when you hear that word, sometimes people think, oh that must mean that our taxes are going to be raised. We'll get to all those issues and so much more throughout the morning, Diane."
The first part of the town hall meeting, which aired at 7: 08am on March 26, featured Roberts asking such tough queries as whether it was unfair for liberals to attack Hillary’s support of the war. The ABC host also failed to press the Senator on what seemed like contradictions. At one point Clinton noted her support for the House bill to remove U.S. troops by summer of 2008 and then admitted that, as President, she would leave some troops in Iraq:
7:08
Robin Roberts: "We are back here in Des Moines for our town hall meetings. And with us this morning is Senator Hillary Clinton. The presidential candidates we're bringing to you. And the campaign trail right into your living rooms, as we love to say. And the main topics today , health care and veterans care. First of all, again, Senator Clinton, thank you very much for your time this morning. And I know how, already, you've been wanting to mingle with the people here and how important that is to you. We want to get to their questions on health care and that’s why they’ve come, but you’ve agreed also to answer some questions dealing with the news. Because, today, the Senate takes up their Iraq vote, the Iraq bill. We saw on Friday, the House-"
Clinton: "Right"
Roberts: " -historic, the way that they are calling for American troops to be out of Iraq by the end of the summer of 2008. Now, you have said that if this President does not end the war, if you are president, you will. So would you sign this House bill?"
Clinton: "Yes, I would. And I'm hoping that we can get it passed in the Senate. The problem is, it just takes more vote to get that done. We have to get more Republicans in the Senate and that's been a challenge for us, but we're working very hard to persuade our Republican colleagues to start this path toward redeploying our troops out of Iraq. The President has said he would veto the House bill. I'm hoping that if enough Republicans speak up, and we get enough Republican votes we'll be able to get something passed and then perhaps he will work with us to start to extricate ourselves from Iraq."
Roberts: "So you would sign a bill that has a hard, definitive deadline to get the troops out?"
Clinton: "Well, at this point, that's not possible. But if I were President, I would certainly work with the Congress to begin to withdraw troops. In fact, you don't need the Congress to tell you to do that. The President can do that on his own, which is what I wish he were doing. And it is a realistic time table to begin to move troops out. But you have to as President be judging what happens as you go. And I have said, it is likely we’d have to leave a smaller contingent of troops to deal with al Qaeda because they are Iraq and we can't afford to let them have a staging ground against the rest of the region, or against us from part of Iraq. And, you know, if the Iraqis began to defend themselves, we would want to provide logistical and training support. That's what I've been saying for a couple of years that's what most of the Democrats have been saying. So far, it's fallen on deaf ears of the President, but we're doing everything we can to set deadlines, set goals, to put in bench marks, to some way try to work with the President to begin to make this happen."
Roberts: "Everyone here is well aware of the criticism that you have received for voting for the war in 2002. You have taken responsibility for that. Just last week, your husband said it's unfair how some liberals have compared what you have said, and what you did to that of Senator Barack Obama who has said at the time he was opposed to the war. Is it unfair?"
Clinton: "Well, I think that we're all in this together now. The important point is that the Democrats are united and we have all put forth plans, we have all voted for plans to begin the phased redeployment of our troops. I think we've got to keep the focus on the President. You know, the President rushed us to war. He didn't let the inspectors finish their work. He has mismanaged this and this is his responsibility and it is very regrettable that President refuses to listen to the people of our country, to see what’s happening on the ground and begin to take steps to undo this policy. But I'm very proud that all the Democrats are saying the same thing. And that's what we should all be working towards is to begin to change this policy and get us on the right track."
Roberts: "Well, that is something that the country, I think, completely agrees on, on both sides about that."
A few minutes later, Roberts set up the question by Dr. Steve Eckstat, a former member of her ‘93 universal health care task force:
Roberts: "What you said then in, in ‘93, many people felt it was just, in some ways, ahead of its, ahead of its time. Somebody that was there, and want to ask you what is different now, between what happened then, and he is Dr. Steve Eckstat. He is, he works at the free clinic of Iowa. Doctor?"
Clinton: "Hello, doctor."
Dr. Steve Eckstat: "Morning. In 1993, I was a member of the Clinton Health Care Task Force when we were attempting to provide universal health care coverage of all Americans. We were unsuccessful, unsuccessful then and now the number of uninsured, 80 percent of whom are working families and individuals, has risen from 23 million in 1993 to over 46 million. If elected president, Senator Clinton, would you be willing to try again to provide universal health care coverage for all Americans and make that at priority for your administration?"
Clinton: "Well, doctor, I certainly would. It’s one of the reasons why I am running for president. I thank you for your work back in 1993. We had a dedicated group of doctors and nurses, hospital administrators and so many others who were working literally around the clock to try to achieve a health care plan that would be available, guaranteed, affordable for every American. I think we’re in a better position to do that today than we were back in ‘93 and ‘94. In part, because the number of uninsured has grown and it's hard to ignore the fact that nearly 47 million people don't have insurance. But also because, so many people with insurance have found it's difficult to get health care because the insurance companies deny you what you need. And so there are many millions of more people who have had that experience, either themselves or in their families. And a lot of businesses are now saying we can't continue to afford to do this and it's really hard for small businesses, but even for large business to complete in the economy, especially globally, if they have to pay the cost of health care. The other thing we have information about now is how much money we're not spending in the right way in our health care system. We spend more money than anybody in the world by a very big number, but we don't provide people insurance and we waste a lot of money and we don’t get the best results. And we don’t get the best results. So, for all those reasons, I believe the American people are going to make this an issue in the 2008 campaign. And as President, I believe I learned a lot back in 1993 and ‘94 about how to bring us together to actually start down the path of universal health care coverage. So, I’m very excited about it, because I know we can do this in America if we put our minds to it."
Roberts: "Dr. Eckart [SIC], thank you very much. And we'll have more of your questions throughout the morning. We spent twice as much in this country on health care than any other country in the world. So, we'll have much more with Senator Hillary Clinton throughout the morning."
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.















Comments Policy
March 27, 2007 - 00:21 ET by Clear thinker
She means behind it's time.
March 26, 2007 - 12:25 ET by WolfremShe means behind it's time. The same Universal Healthcare plan touted here and in '93 is the same plan the Europeans have already tried and discarded. And the same plan Canada currently uses and is looking for a way to get rid of it.
Trying the exact same thing over and over while expecting different results is a sign of insanity. Talk about losing touch with reality.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
Wolf it's the same reason the
March 26, 2007 - 19:59 ET by BlazerWolf it's the same reason the Liberals try Communist Socialist principles time, and time again with the same results. It didn't stop them last century, and it wont stop them now either. The only cure for Liberalism is an injection of lead propelled at high velocity.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
The Europeans have NOT discar
March 26, 2007 - 23:14 ET by M J BThe Europeans have NOT discarded their social healthcare system & have no intention of doing so. The French social healthcare system is said to be the best in the western world. Over the last five years the British healthcare system has made great strides forward & is well regarded by its users. The Canadian system is under pressure from the USA & NAFTA to change; but Canadians(yes they want some improvement) but do not want to do so. What is so wrong with free basic dental care free basic eyecare & prescription drugs all of which cost no more than about $5.
What's wrong with it?Nothing,
March 26, 2007 - 23:17 ET by BlondeWhat's wrong with it?
Nothing, provided you don't have to wait six to eight months for basic care.
If you choose to have that kind of healthcare, so be it.
Don't choose it for me.
I like my options.
THE kind of doctor...when I need THAT kind of doctor.
Keep your euromedicine to yourself, thank you very much.
Do you believe the worst in e
March 26, 2007 - 23:39 ET by M J BDo you believe the worst in everything? Here in Canada I do not have to wait 6-8 months for basic care!. I have friends in the UK that do not have to wait for months for basic care , in fact they are becoming quicker than Canada,! I envy the cost of care & drugs that those in the UK pay. I am at an age where my body is showing signs of age & have had to make use of the health care system more than I would like. I have been quite impressed by the service I have received which defies the adverse publicity. The same can be said for a relative in the UK who was diagnosed with cancer & has received immediate,first class, treatment. Just where do you get your mis information?
Just what does your healthcare cost ?
Well, I have a very good frie
March 26, 2007 - 23:50 ET by BlondeWell, I have a very good friend whose mum is in the UK. She's rather elderly, and has Alzheimers. And because of those facts, the UK model of medicine won't grant her a decent hearing aide.
So her kids send her to the States, where they can buy a decent one on the market. Which can't be had in England at all.
As to what I pay, it's none of your business.
Suffice it to say, my employer pays the huge majority. But I pay enough to make me an interested party to my own health care.
And I am more than satisfied by my health care benefits. Which I earn by the right of giving my employer a good day's work...as part of my overall compensation package.
So why don't you socialists take care of yourselves, and leave us alone? I'm not in the least bit interested in your system of health care. If you like it...great...stay where you are. And when it breaks...please, please, don't come here where you might be able to jump the line if you HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET AWAY WITH IT.
Own it.
The fact that Americans ARE t
March 27, 2007 - 00:33 ET by M J BThe fact that Americans ARE talking of universal health care means you do not have the last say!
Your remarks about a UK resident & hearing problems is frankly a load of S&*t.
My late brother was hearing impaired & had the best of treatment in the UK.
He did NOT have to JUMP any line to get it.
NL207 had reasonable differences of opinion to mine; you on the other hand would deny Floridans a source of income (Snowbirds) & start WW2 over healthcare. Get a life.
MJB, you are total scum. An
March 27, 2007 - 04:28 ET by liberal_bug_zapperMJB, you are total scum. And yes, we will start an armed insurection over robber barons coming and taking our money to buy votes. Because that's all universal health care is... a vote buying scam. Socialism is a sickness, and a nice lead pill is the cure. It's going to take a whole lot of good men and women to administer those pills though.
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"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~ C.S. Lewis
Her health care costs the sam
March 27, 2007 - 00:32 ET by NL207Her health care costs the same as yours. The difference is this: She isn't using government coercion to force her neighbors to subsidize the cost of hers like you are.
What is so wrong with free ba
March 26, 2007 - 23:25 ET by John in CAWhat is so wrong with free basic dental care free basic eyecare &
prescription drugs all of which cost no more than about $5.
The first problem is that it is not free.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
...but it sure FEELS GOOD say
March 26, 2007 - 23:29 ET by gfrrman...but it sure FEELS GOOD sayin' it!!!!!!! LMAO!!
The only people that will ben
March 26, 2007 - 23:34 ET by mrsimeleThe only people that will benefit from free basic dental care and free basic eyecare & prescription drugs will be degenerates that never have put anything worthwhile into the system. Just think, a Mexican illegally enters the country. He/she has 7 anchor babies. Everyone of those anchor babies is instantly qualified for free-health/dental/optometry/prescription. Meanwhile, mom and dad are sending all THEIR money back home to Mexico so their brothers Julio and Enrique can payoff a "coyote" to sneak them across the border. Enrique and Julio cross the border safely, each have 5 anchor babies and then all of THOSE babies get free-health/dental/optometry/prescription.
Hmmm....NO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!!
mrs...What happened to you?Yo
March 26, 2007 - 23:51 ET by bigtimermrs...
What happened to you?
You saw that light that quick since being on this site?
Changed spots that fast?
Poof ...like magic!
LMAO!
Fun fun fun!
Hope does spring eternal so they say...but not this quick!
I am done being angry at
March 27, 2007 - 00:05 ET by mrsimeleI am done being angry at the wrong people. I hated George Bush for so long because I blamed him for the death of my husband and 9/11. I know I was wrong now. I am focusing my anger toward cowards noow.
G.W. Bush wasn't perfect, but he is a hell of a lot better than Kerry would have been. Also, I don't want to be tied in with Rosie anymore. She is probably deterring a lot of libs.
Okey Dokey..Whatever you say.
March 27, 2007 - 00:08 ET by bigtimerOkey Dokey..
Whatever you say...
Time will tell...
LOL!
Mrsimele, what a profound an
March 27, 2007 - 00:24 ET by JABMrsimele, what a profound and enlightning statement you have just subjected me to after I have read your earlier posts. In all honesty, I must confess that God does indead work in mysterious ways.
I am truly sorry for the loss of your husband on 9/11/01 due to Muslim idiots that want to rule the world. I hope no one else has to suffer such a feeling of lose due to the same circumstances.
Please understand, I am sincere in my condolances and prayers for you if you are truthful about your husband.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Thank You! I am taking it a
March 27, 2007 - 00:29 ET by mrsimeleThank You! I am taking it a day at a time. I really thought the liberals had a better solution (I never paid attention to politics before 9/11). The liberals proved to me they do NOT have a better solution after they threatened for a deadline on Iraq last week. That is GOOD NEWS for the terrorists and BAD news for America. I mean THINK about it, all the terrorists have to do is lay low until we leave the country and then resume operations after we are out of Iraq. STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!
You can fool some of the peop
March 27, 2007 - 00:33 ET by bigtimerYou can fool some of the people some of the time...
I will leave it at that.
Carry on mrs...
You're good I suppose.
LMAO!
Would you rather me have simp
March 27, 2007 - 00:46 ET by mrsimeleWould you rather me have simply obtained a new user ID Bigtimer? lol. Yes, I have made some mistakes in the past. And there are lots of things I still don't buy into. For instance, I really didn't like Tom DeLay because he appeared arrogant to me. (please, I don't want to get in another argument over him either, it's just my opinion). That said, immigration is a major problem. Terrorism is a major problem. Welfare is a major problem. BIG-Government is a big problem. We can agree on a few things and disagree on others. You'll see big-fella!
Please...By no means...you ar
March 27, 2007 - 00:50 ET by bigtimerPlease...
By no means...you are doing a great job.
I for one haven't forgot the difference in now and before.
Won't either.
Nobody changes that fast.
sometimes change does happen
March 27, 2007 - 01:10 ET by Conservative Voicesometimes change does happen like that. I have seen many "come to Jesus" moments where people make dramatic change. If anything I would let her actions prove otherwise.
If anything I would let her
March 27, 2007 - 01:15 ET by bigtimerIf anything I would let her actions prove otherwise.
No problem with that CV...
I think I said carry on before to mrs.
...and I mean that...carry on.
Thanks for the confimation CV
March 27, 2007 - 01:19 ET by JABThanks for the confimation CV, that was my basic read toward Mrs. I's statements. I have since been proven correct by the lady.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Anyone can change if they s
March 27, 2007 - 01:22 ET by mrsimeleAnyone can change if they stop watching T.V. I listen to audiobooks now; have been for a week. Trying to get in touch with my spiritual side. Again, I'm tired of being angry. Also, I work very hard to make money. Therefore, I already am a capitalist. I havn't found GOD but I hope I do! Atleast on the conservative side there is hope: hope economically, hope spiritually, hope as in the War, hope for a better way of life. On the liberal sites, all I see is ANGER ANGER ANGER with no solutions. I am tired of it. :0)
PLUS, you wanna know the biggest thing that made me start to question liberalism? The abortion issue. I told you I started listening to audio-books. Well, I am listening to this DeePak Chopra discuss how to tie GOD in with Science. He talked about how we can have memories in the womb as fetuses. That sounded amazing to me. So, I am no quite sure how I feel on abortion after hearing that. Kinda scared me. As for physician-assisted suicide for the elderly (you know, like Kevorkian) it might take me more time to budge. I still would like to die as peaceful and painlessly as possible.
Sorry, I ranted didn't I. lol
All I ask anyone to do is go
March 27, 2007 - 01:39 ET by bigtimerAll I ask anyone to do is go back and search mrsimeles name and look at the comments...please.
Nobody changes that fast.
Just my opinion.
But hey, I'm a gal...so far it is men judging me and my opinion...thats life.
One thing is for sure..I am not always right, nor think I am..but in this case I do.
I'm not going to give the satisfaction that mrs/mr is getting by all of this any more. I am done with this subject....have fun...I am out of this from here on out.
LOL!
BT'er, I did go and try to
March 27, 2007 - 01:47 ET by John in CABT'er, I did go and try to search on her name, but maybe my search function isn't working. Yes, I remember some of her comments - in fact I think I left her a rather terse response on something.
You have every right to be suspicious. We've all been burned by moby's in the past, and your intuition is often right on.
Maybe we NB'ers are just real persuasive ;)
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
mrs. imele, if some seem sk
March 27, 2007 - 00:53 ET by John in CAmrs. imele, if some seem skeptical of your conversion it is only because it seems rather sudden and dramatic. I applaud you for seeing the light and hope your conversion is real and lasting.
As for Tom DeLay, many conservatives didn't care for him for a variety of reasons. I could even find my own differences with him on occassion. However, in my world, I like an arrogant (read confident) person who can get the job done. Sometimes politics is a bare knuckles endeavor - and Tom was good at the bare knuckles part of it.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Thanks John. I will keep m
March 27, 2007 - 01:01 ET by mrsimeleThanks John. I will keep my liberal opinions to myself :-) I know I still have some but I will abstain from mentioning them unless I absolutely am sure they are right. This is a nice group you have here at Newsbusters. I tried daily KO's and tried Democratic Underground but the level of intelligence over there just wasn't PAR. Atleast over here I can learn something.
mrs. imele, I think you wou
March 27, 2007 - 01:10 ET by John in CAmrs. imele, I think you would be safe expressing some liberal points of view, as long as you can support them without becoming vitriolic.
I'm sorry you had to subject yourself to the koskids and dummyunderground. DU, especially, is a swamp. I once registered there, just to point out some cold, hard facts (irrefutable facts, with linky's and everything) - and was banned within an hour and my comment deleted.
As far as Tumbler goes, well, he's Tumbler. On most isssues he's okay. But I think he's totally of the rails on immigration.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Yeah, he seems like a really
March 27, 2007 - 01:13 ET by mrsimeleYeah, he seems like a really nice guy. I don't blame him for wanting to help people gain entry into the Country either. We just need to make sure it legitimate and legal. Taxes are the key issue. You need to become a citizen so you pay your dues. Nothing is free in the World.
Good to have you aboard. Yo
March 27, 2007 - 01:04 ET by Conservative VoiceGood to have you aboard. You are so right, we as Americans have more in common. We need to be united against illegal immigration, terrorism, welfare, big government, etc.
Mrsimele, sweety, you are in
March 27, 2007 - 00:42 ET by JABMrsimele, sweety, you are in my tears and in my prayers tonight, along with our brave soldiers fighting for us on foreign soils.
I pray God blesses all of us for more knoweledge and understanding in regard to what is right and just, including common-sense, that seems to be lacking (from the liberals/democrats) these day's.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
You got me their!! But "
March 26, 2007 - 23:44 ET by M J BYou got me their!! But "CHEAP" & affordable you cannot ignore!
"You got me their [sic]!
March 26, 2007 - 23:56 ET by JAB"You got me their [sic]!! But "CHEAP" & affordable you cannot ignore!"
yes I can, because you already paid for it in one form or another. It may have been when you were paying over $4.00 for a gallon of gas when I was paying a $1.30.
don't attempt your BS here when I know of Canadians that come to the US for treatment because they are told they have six months to live and the waiting list for their treatment is (at a minimum) is one year.
Stuff it you socialist loving fool, we know better.
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
There are millions of example
March 27, 2007 - 00:29 ET by Clear thinkerThere are millions of examples of people coming to the states for healthcare, and for damn good reason. We have the best healthcare in the world even if it is pricey, it's still the best!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Just a few weeks ago I read
March 27, 2007 - 00:40 ET by John in CAJust a few weeks ago I read an article about, IIRCC, an Alberta woman who had to be airlifted to Montana to give birth because there was no medical care available (lack of doctor, or facility, whatever, I can't remember). The woman was in a Montana hospital and her family was in Alberta.
I searched for the article, but I can't find it now - sorry. If I thought I'd be in a debate about communist health care vs. free market health care, I'da bookmarked it.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Theirs is not any cheaper.
March 27, 2007 - 00:41 ET by NL207Theirs is not any cheaper. The cost is simply hidden from the users.
Moreover, not all of the same treatements are available there due to differences in licensing, etc. In particular, Canada regulates what pharmaceutical manufacturers may charge for their drugs. This infuriating practice causes US drug firms to use profits from their free markets to underwrite R&D for medications sold in Canada and anyplace else that regulates prices. Overhead cannot be uniformly distributed across total sales.
NO you are wrong. Both US &am
March 27, 2007 - 00:50 ET by M J BNO you are wrong. Both US & Canadian citizens are going to the world fastest growing health care provider in the world...INDIA.
Surgery that costs $40,000 in the USA & Canada is about $12,000 in India. The health care provided is said to be as good as any; BUT private!
Then how come you don't go to
March 27, 2007 - 00:59 ET by NL207Then how come you don't go to Inida for your healthcare?
MJB...Now you are treading in
March 27, 2007 - 01:02 ET by Clear thinkerMJB...
Now you are treading into territory that pisses me off, I'll explain. What you are talking about is ORGAN TRANSPLANTS! Here in the states you get put on a waiting list (I know the whole deal because my wife had a kidney transplant exactly 3 years ago), and it could take years before your name get's to the top of the list. And to top it off, you are not guaranteed the transplant even when your number comes up. You have to be in a healthy enough condition to accept the transplant, and you must show signs that you won't waste the organ by using drugs or alcohol, or even tobacco products. This is a very fair system and I agree with the reasons.
In India you can buy an organ in afew days and be operated on that same day. The problem is... you are likely to get an unhealthy organ because they pay poor folks money to harvest the organ needed, and these people live very unhealthy lifestyles due to their economic status. I could go on for hours on this subject, but you get the idea.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
CT, agreeded, I have witnesse
March 27, 2007 - 00:59 ET by JABCT, agreeded, I have witnessed my mother-in-law and my wife getting life-saving procedures with one phone call from their GP. And these socialist commies want me to believe they have something better?
BTW, my M-I-L is 70 years young (after 3 cancer surgeries and a stroke) and mowing her own lawn and my wife is quite spunky at a mere 49 years young, thanks to life changing operations that happened on a moments notice for both of them.
Who could convience me there is a better system elsewhere?!
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
JAB...To answer your last que
March 27, 2007 - 01:03 ET by Clear thinkerJAB...
To answer your last question.... NOBODY!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
John; I have neighbours from
March 26, 2007 - 23:48 ET by M J BJohn; I have neighbours from CA. They moved to Canada due to failing health. They tell me that our health care is much more affordable that it was in the USA.
M J B
March 26, 2007 - 23:54 ET by gfrrmanYeah right...that's because someone else is paying more of their hard earned money for someone elses care.
"Remember, Socialists eventually run out of other peoples' money....." Margaret Thatcher
That's because someone else
March 27, 2007 - 00:24 ET by John in CAThat's because someone else is being forced thru taxation to pay an unfair subsidization for their affordable health care.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
I will tell you what is wrong
March 26, 2007 - 23:31 ET by NL207I will tell you what is wrong with this system.
There is not enough supply to satisfay all demand. These managed healthcare systems RATION healthcare. They do in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways. These systems are outrageously unjust in that government officials, which is what all healthcare providers are in these systems, decide who will live and who will die based on bureaucratic rules.
to. wit. In Canada, many procedures and treatments are oversubscribed. There are more patients than services. This includes things like cardivascular surgery such as bypass, stents, angioplasty among many others. this is not just limited to transplants. What happens is this: Any new patient who needs these servies is placed to the end of a queue. While it is true the Canadians try to manage these queues according to the severity of the patients' conditions, this is not really possible to do because it requires God-like knowledge. The catch is this: Persons of similar acuity are effectively selected in FIFO order to receive treatment. Some patients inevitably die waiting for treatment. This gives rise to the spectre of persons who, by their hrd work and diligence, earned the right to treatment under a capitalist system being forced to die prematurely by this socialist sytem in preference to an indigent person who has not done anything to earn this reward. If this is not injustice, then I do not know what is.
NL207; My community is filled
March 26, 2007 - 23:56 ET by M J BNL207; My community is filled with (dont' spread this about) the dead & the dying retirement stuff & all that.NO one around here has been denied or has had to wait an unreasonable time to access to healthcare. Just where do you get these ideas?
Many of my neighbours have had to have emergency treatment for heart ailments, cancer & other undesirable things.Tell you what ! No complaints.
The complaints we get around here are; how long does it take to get a new hip joint? how long for a tummy tuck?
That's very nice.Would you ki
March 26, 2007 - 23:59 ET by BlondeThat's very nice.
Would you kindly stay in Canada, instead of migrating to Florida?
Thanks, in advance.
I have no desire to go to Flo
March 27, 2007 - 00:03 ET by M J BI have no desire to go to Florida. A friend in NC advises me it is not a nice place!
<edit> from JAB. let's be nice and not throw personal attacks around, it certainly does not further the intellectual conversation we strive for on this site.
Blonde...Why not invite him t
March 27, 2007 - 00:23 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
Why not invite him to Florida. You know, for a little southern hospital, ooops I mean hospitality ;-)
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
I'd rather invite you to Flor
March 27, 2007 - 00:40 ET by BlondeI'd rather invite you to Florida, Clear.
At least I'd enjoy paying taxes for someone pleasant, and appreciative!
Thanks Blonde!Let me share a
March 27, 2007 - 00:48 ET by Clear thinkerThanks Blonde!
Let me share a quick canadian story. In canada you can own property, but you do not own the mineral or water rights on your property, they belong to the government. I am a mineral collector (rockhound for those of you in Rio Linda). I will go almost anywhere in search of mineral specimens. Once while visiting an old friend of my fathers in canada I asked for permission to hunt rocks on his property (I knew he had Kyanite on his property). He said I could but that I could not keep any of what I found because it belonged to the gov. When I told the landowner that I would take my chances at the border he told me that he would be obligated to call the authorities on me. Needless to say, I have never gone back to canada, nor will I. As I have said before, liberals.....silly people!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Logging too is in that group
March 27, 2007 - 00:53 ET by bigtimerLogging too is in that group if memory serves me correctly CV.
Sure; I never did reach blac
March 27, 2007 - 00:53 ET by M J BSure; I never did reach black belt but brown belt was not a problem!
What an unkind thing for one
March 27, 2007 - 00:42 ET by BlondeWhat an unkind thing for one of our northern bretheren to say.
I should wipe your face in that unkind statement, but I think I'll just let it stand as a monument to your total "northern" ignorance, there M J B.
M J B
March 27, 2007 - 00:50 ET by gfrrmanM J B, pardon me for saying so, but you are a PIG!!!!! Totally uncalled for....
MJB...I live in NC and I will
March 27, 2007 - 01:09 ET by Clear thinkerMJB...
I live in NC and I will never invite you here. We have our standards.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Not knowing where "wher
March 27, 2007 - 00:09 ET by NL207Not knowing where "where" is make sthis a little more difficult.
Try this for a start. You can find similar information online for all the Anglo socialized medical systems [Australia, UK, NZ, etc]. This is harder to do for the French and German systems, because their governments make that sort of criticism effectively illegal.
Now, where did you get the idea that your little community represents the norm?
"Just where do you get
March 27, 2007 - 00:30 ET by John in CA"Just where do you get these ideas?"
We get those ideas from thing like this
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
John...Thanks for the link, i
March 27, 2007 - 00:40 ET by Clear thinkerJohn...
Thanks for the link, it summed it up nicely. Anyone still want to go to Canada for their healthcare????
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
The real message of that vi
March 27, 2007 - 00:46 ET by John in CAThe real message of that video is not in the woman who couldn't get her bladder stimulation implanted, but rather the use of socialized medicine to advance the liberal agenda. When a freak who wants to become a woman can get the ear of the health minister but the woman in need cannot - well you get my drift. Frankly, his/her conversion is not something I think I should be paying for.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
JohnCA
March 27, 2007 - 00:45 ET by gfrrmanJohn that video is very disturbing and things like that will be coming to a "theater near you" if/when socialized medicine/single payer hits the shores of the US. In this case the potential life threatening case of the woman was shunned for preference of a sex change operation? WTF??!!! Yeah that's priorities. Had that woman been in the U.S. she'd be living a lot more comfortable than she is now. Shameful!!!! I don't want any part of that.
I think if Roberts is going
July 11, 2007 - 16:00 ET by motherbeltI think if Roberts is going to say that people thought that Hillary's 1993 health care plan was ahead of its time, she should be required to name both of them.
"We were unsuccessful, u
March 26, 2007 - 12:26 ET by rwesley"We were unsuccessful, unsuccessful then and now the number of uninsured, 80 percent of whom are working families and individuals, has risen from 23 million in 1993 to over 46 million."
Hey Doc, are you including all of the illegal aliens in that fabricated and misleading number?
Nazis also believed in univ
March 26, 2007 - 12:36 ET by liberal_bug_zapperNazis also believed in universal health care, taking companies' profits and demonizing opponents. Hmmmmm.... we know there is another Hitler somewhere in the ranks of the Dems, just not sure when this person will show up.
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Yes, HillaryHealth was ahea
March 26, 2007 - 12:39 ET by John in CAYes, HillaryHealth was ahead of its time in 1993 - we just weren't ready for full blown socialism at that time. With 14 years of shaping the battlefield, the liberals are ready again to try to take us on another monumental lurch to the left.
As it happens, this was on Michelle Malkin this morning - VIDEO Why we don't want to follow in the footsteps of our Canadian neighbors health care regime.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
GMA’s Roberts to Hillary:
March 26, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Jack BauerGMA’s Roberts to Hillary: 1993 Universal Health Care Plan Was ‘Ahead of Its Time’
Hey, just like the EDSEL!!
And the BETAMAX. And BOO.COM
A long time ago, when I was i
March 26, 2007 - 13:29 ET by terrigA long time ago, when I was in college at the University of South Florida, I worked at a hospital in the Admitting Office. Every winter we were inundated with Candadians who came South to make use of the American health care system. These individuals also made sure they were in tip top shape before they headed home in April. I still keep in touch with a few people from that job and they claim it's the same if not worst than it was 22 years ago. Hillary, you can take your Health Plan and shove it!
"We ask that the governm
March 26, 2007 - 13:31 ET by mattm"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment... The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but…be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:
· … an end to the power of the financial interests.
· … profit sharing in big business.
· … broad extension of care for the aged.
· … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments.
· … the government must provide an enlargement of our system of public education.
· …The government must undertake the improvement of public health.
We combat the … materialistic spirit…, and are convinced that a permanent recovery…can only proceed…on the foundation of the common good before the individual good." Nazi Party - 1920
Ahead of our time? Hardly!
Gov't Health Care
March 26, 2007 - 14:32 ET by iveseenitallSocialistic Health Care. Good. They're talking about it again. The more they talk, the more people will realize that Hillary Clinton is a Socialist/Communist. She'll never have to use the government health care she wants you to have. Like all good liberal/socialistic/communistic proposals, it only applies to the many, not the few who control it. Beware the likes of Hillary Clinton.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I'm reminded of P.J. O'Rorke'
March 26, 2007 - 16:00 ET by GalvanicI'm reminded of P.J. O'Rorke's comment on universal health care: "If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's 'free.' "
"We spent twice as mu
March 26, 2007 - 16:25 ET by motherbelt"We spent twice as much in this country on health care than any other country in the world."--Robyn Roberts
And not a word of how the care in America by far outshines what passes for "Health Care" in some of those other countries.
This is just another example of why women "reporters" should NOT be allowed to interview Hillary Clinton. They are so enamoured of the idea of a woman President that every "interview" could be called an "in-kind" campaign contribution. They do everything but kiss her feet.
Get ready to be absolutely INUNDATED with this kissy-face type of interview, or town-hall meeting or whatever the media dream up for her. And once McCain/Feingold kicks toward the end of the campaign, there will be NO opposing view getting any airtime.
Roberts
March 26, 2007 - 16:58 ET by iveseenitallIsn't that the Roberts woman who used to do sports? Wow! She and Hillary; we'd better listen to these two geniuses. Wow! Can you imagine if Rosie and Joy had been there too. Oh Wow!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Does anyone even give Rober
March 26, 2007 - 17:37 ET by daveinbocaDoes anyone even give Roberts any cred as a journalist anyway? She is just another cookie-cutter version [Ann Curry for NBC] of a third-rate affirmative action type who doesn't have anything except attitude to convey. No brains, no nothing....
Does anyone even give Rober
March 26, 2007 - 17:38 ET by daveinbocaDoes anyone even give Roberts any cred as a journalist anyway? She is just another cookie-cutter version [Ann Curry for NBC] of a third-rate affirmative action type who doesn't have anything except attitude to convey. No brains, no nothing....
The MSM in this country has
March 26, 2007 - 18:49 ET by ScottyDogThe MSM in this country has become a political action committee for the DNC. Robin Roberts could not have been more helpful in framing the phony scripted questions and the town hall meeting if she was employed by Hillary's campaign.
Hillary basically received a free campaign advertisement with this phony Health Care town hall meeting.
I know people will say be careful what you wish for with legislation like the fairness doctrine but something has to be done to force the news media to become more fair.
Every day the MSM becomes more partisan and blatant in its support of the Liberals in this country and support of the DNC.
Am I alone in feeling this way or am I way off base here?
One of the questions I emailed but knew would never be asked was;" Since Health Care is not enumerated in the Constitution don't you think that the constitution should be amended before any legislation is passed for universal health care?"
Is this Mexico or the USA
We'll never convince the li
March 27, 2007 - 04:53 ET by liberal_bug_zapperWe'll never convince the liberals that socialized medicine is bad as any term they can read 'free' into is good to them. Plus, they are radical egalitarians who want so badly to punish anyone doing better than them... it's all class envy and equality run amok.
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