It remains to be seen whether this turns out to be Barack Obama's "Christmas in Cambodia" untruth, his Dukakis-in-tank hilarity -- or both.
Regardless, what follows is a pretty obvious "misstatement" that would not possibly be ignored if it were uttered by a conservative or a Republican.
In his hilariously titled post ("Mighta Joined If He Coulda Capped Some Cong") on Barack Obama's interview in a barn this morning (not kidding) on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, fellow NewsBuster Mark Finkelstein reported on Obama's answer to a viewer's question about whether he ever considered military service. You can read Mark's post for his overall thoughts, but I want to focus on something the Illinois senator said that several commenters at the post took exception to (photo courtesy DayLife):
You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. .... But keep in mind: I graduated in 1979.
There are only two "little" problems:
- Selective Service Registration was not possible in 1979.
- Bob Owens at Pajamas Media noted that Obama registered with the Selective Service with an effective date of September 4, 1980.
The Wikipedia entry on Obama's early life agrees with the candidate's memory of when he graduated (other verification will be obtained after this post goes up):
Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation in 1979.
Wiki's Selective Service entry says the following about the registration requirements at the time:
On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration. The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices. Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays were reserved for men born in the later quarters of the year, and registration for men born in 1961 began the following week.
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UPDATE, 11:55 P.M. -- The full text of Gerald Ford's Proclamation 4360, dated March 29, 1975 (not March 25, as Wiki claims), is here. The full text of Jimmy Carter's Proclamation 4771, dated July 2, 1980, is here.
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Obama could not have registered "when I graduated from high school," as he claimed.
He actually registered roughly 45 days after the first post-Proclamation 4771 registrations took place in 1980.
Obama's statement, that "I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school," is inarguably false.
Further, the correct timeline casts serious doubt on what Obama said between the ellipsed segments of the first excerpt above:
And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I had friend whose parents were in the military, there were a lot of Army, military bases there. And I always actually thought of the military as some ennobling and honorable option.
More likely: He signed up when he did because he had to. Nothing more, nothing less.
This would appear to be yet another example of resume enhancement.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters
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Poor Magic Negro...
September 7, 2008 - 22:13 ET by cest moi...no Magic Hat.
OMG!!! McCain takes 10 point lead in USA/Today Gallup!
September 7, 2008 - 22:16 ET by smartestmaninamericaIf you Obama supporters don;t like that Zogby Poll, you are going to HATE this new USAToday/Gallup Poll of likely voters.
This one is BRUTAL:
http://www.usatoday....
"In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples."
Ouch!
Even Rasmussen show McCain
September 7, 2008 - 22:18 ET by Free StinkerEven Rasmussen show McCain "catching up" to Obama and now evenly tied.
And these favorable poll number for McCain / Palin come after some 10 days of relentless hammering and slander of Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin - This is what a Conservative looks like !
The MSM had an orgasm when Obama hit 50%
September 7, 2008 - 22:19 ET by smartestmaninamericaLet's see if they even report McCain hitting 54%!
Oh, they'll be moaning
September 7, 2008 - 22:20 ET by Free StinkerOh, they'll be moaning alright.
Just not the same way they are now. ;-)
That's what I've been saying the last couple days - they won't
September 7, 2008 - 22:26 ET by Dee Bunkreport it. Even this article buries the likely voter scerario near the end of the article. Likely voters is more important than registered voters.
Well, it's on Drudge now...
September 7, 2008 - 22:27 ET by smartestmaninamericaThe Obama Camp must be fudgin their pants.
Watch the Democrat Party turn into the Donner Party. Let the reprecusions begin.
"They have awoken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve..."
Donner Party - Ha! Let the
September 8, 2008 - 00:13 ET by BDDonner Party - Ha!
Let the feasting Begin..... I wonder what fried Democrat tastes like?
BD
September 8, 2008 - 00:17 ET by well99Like chicken I would imagine.
The other white meat
September 8, 2008 - 02:53 ET by RackieYou should pray it doesn't taste like crow. It aint over 'til it's over.
Rackie
September 8, 2008 - 15:10 ET by well99No one has said it is over yet.
Hmnn, ummm,
September 7, 2008 - 22:18 ET by sawing batta"I am not the Obama I once knew..."
Another day
September 7, 2008 - 22:20 ET by well99Another Lie.That is are Obama.
As much as I would like to
September 7, 2008 - 22:21 ET by HermanoAs much as I would like to say this is a big deal, this is not a big deal. I would agree that BHO most likely was not interested in military service, but he did have to register - even though it was about a year after he graduated.
The Newsbusters Comments Crew: Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty
selective service or selective memory
September 7, 2008 - 22:31 ET by mom_roxI'm guessing the details during that time are a bit hazy to him.
What's the difference between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin?
One is eye candy while the other kills her own food.
It was probably the
September 7, 2008 - 22:33 ET by HermanoIt was probably the blow.
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Hermano
September 7, 2008 - 23:00 ET by well99What ticks me off is Palin put a plane on Ebay.Which she did.It wasnt sold on ebay but she didnt say that.The press jumped all over that.Do you think anything will happen about this.The msm will ignore it.It isnt a big deal like you say it is the way the media has double standards which is a big deal.
The MSM is there to help
September 8, 2008 - 09:38 ET by HermanoThe MSM is there to help poor dems get elected. We Right mided folk know what is good and bad and the press is trying to prove us wrong by slimery. I heard a saying once, "A person is smart, people are dumb." It makes a lot of sense. Fortunately, more "persons" filter information and make their own decisions than stay with the crowd. let's hope this is the case this fall.
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I agree
September 8, 2008 - 15:08 ET by well99With the internet it gives people a chance to research information.Well what google hasnt deleted yet.
well99:
September 8, 2008 - 17:44 ET by j. frank wilsonSen. McCain stated the Alaskan governor's plane was "sold on eBay. At a profit."
But I wouldn't blame him for that one. He really hasn't had much time to get to know Gov. Palin. He's still learning the details.
Like that "Bridge to Nowhere" thing...
Frank
September 8, 2008 - 17:54 ET by well99I heard about that.What I was talking about was what Palin said herself.Just a note.On CNN today they debunked a rumor going around about book burning.Kinda of hard to burn Harry Potter books when they werent even published at that time.
Perhaps, like you, he
September 8, 2008 - 18:22 ET by BDPerhaps, like you, he listened to rumors.
The difference
September 8, 2008 - 18:58 ET by well99When I hear something I research it.
Sen. McCain stated the
September 8, 2008 - 18:30 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSen. McCain stated the Alaskan governor's plane was "sold on eBay. At a profit."
And Obama said: "as a Muslim" describing his religion. At least he was talking about himself.
D
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In the whole scheme of things no...
September 7, 2008 - 22:51 ET by JWFTechnically it was AFTER he graduated.
But it is yet another gaffe, another daily gaffe, from the one man gaffe machine.
And the fact that a presidential candidate is so easily dismissing the idea of serving your country because you actually WANT to, rather than feeling compelled to, just twists my panties into a big friggin wad.
The man honestly just needs to shut the hell up about anything military or flag related so I could get a nights sleep.
No wait, I can sleep, John McCain's and Sarah Palin's son did not dismiss the idea out of hand. They are serving and yea, there is a war on and a very real chance of getting shot at.
Where is that damn McCain/Palin banner I ordered?
Not sure about this one
September 8, 2008 - 00:45 ET by KC MulvilleI'm about a year older than Obama - I graduated high school in 1978. If you asked me a question about my registration, that's probably how I would have said it, i.e., "I had to register for service."
Don't get me wrong, I oppose Obama vigorously, but under the circumstances I would probably have said the same thing. I don't know that this would prove that I was lying about anything. So, because I'm equally as stupid about it as Obama was, let's just say that I'm willing to give him a pass here.
KCM
September 8, 2008 - 00:55 ET by Tom BlumerYou're not that stupid, and neither is he. He just thought that he could get some cred for liking the military, winged it, lied, and got caught.
The big but unprovable lie IMO is that he was ever interested in joining the military.
Jeez - I hope you're right! LOL
September 8, 2008 - 10:37 ET by KC MulvilleIt's funny. When I was in high school, the military wasn't looked on so favorably. After all, Reagan hadn't arrived yet, and the military was still dragged down by Vietnam-syndrome. It wasn't very popular at the time.
It's funny, though. I went into the Jesuits to find (among other things) the very qualities that McCain talked about: service, something greater than yourself, that sort of thing. For the most part, I found it in the Jesuits.
The one quality that both the military and religious life share is obedience. You have to know how to take orders and shut up. And that's the one quality that Obama certainly doesn't exhibit: he doesn't take orders. That's why I'm likely to agree with you, Tom, that Obama just doesn't seem to be the military type.
You are absolutely right!
September 8, 2008 - 13:18 ET by doug1950In 1979, Jimmah Carter was the CinC and the military was in shambles. I was in at that time and we could not fly aircraft for lack of fuel and parts, ships could not get underway for lack of parts and crewmen, reenlistments were at an all time low, desertions were becoming common and it was a huge suck pile for anyone on active duty due to the shortages and the general perception of the public. I find it incredulous that he would be even considering the military with that backdrop. The only plausible explanation might be because of the Carter Administration's disaster to our economy and Barry needed a job and could not find one outta high school. Ironically, he wants us to return to the economic and political policies of the Carter years exactly.
He and his supporters will
September 7, 2008 - 22:46 ET by SimpaticoHe and his supporters will say that he was simply off by one year. Not a big deal.
I find it difficult to disagree.
Selective Service
September 7, 2008 - 23:15 ET by LorraineAs I remember, you had to register in order to get financial aid for college so it's more likely that's why he registered.
I just checked with my husband, who is a few months younger than Obama, we graduated in 1980. He was one of the first to have to register that summer. You had to register to get into college or to get a job.
Say What!
September 7, 2008 - 23:21 ET by pbthinkerI'd hate to say it, but this is certainly a little nit-picking. He registered, when he registered. Having spent a great deal of time in Hawaii, I'm sure his story is basically correct. There's plenty of information to pick on Obama for this, I don't believe, is relevant.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Yes I know but he irritates people with a thinking brain.
September 7, 2008 - 23:36 ET by JWFIt is the latest in a string of irritating statements when it comes to the military.
He wants to cut and run from a war we are winning.
He thinks we carpet bomb in Afghanistan, something we haven't done since WWII. (maybe Hanoi)
He thinks we split platoons over theatres. We don't, they train together as a team.
He wants to invade our friends and sit down with our enemies.
Now, he easily dismisses the idea of serving your country in peacetime when he is gunning to be Commander in Chief.
Don't get me started on the flag, which is intimately connected with the military.
Obama's Selective Service
September 7, 2008 - 23:32 ET by Lame CherryMr. Blumer, to clarify this.
Barack Obama had to register as it was not a choice if he wanted to attend college. That is what I and a million other graduates were told.
While this is personal, it will explain a great deal to the youngsters now as I would venture most of the Newsbuster's children have no recollection what hell America was going through.
In the 1960's Lyndon Johnson in his war on poverty and Vietnam bankrupted the United States.
Richard Nixon was forced by the fed to go off the gold standard and this is where this obsolete Rothschild Rockefeller balance of trade of American money, Saudi oil and Asian goods started, those years it was Japan.
Inflation destroyed the nation and Nixon being a socialist tried price controls which Milton Friedman had to call up Don Rumsfeld and give him hell from putting in tax breaks as Friedman was concerned people would think price controls worked.
Nixon though boomed the farm economy, and just like the Soros nation rapists of today in Brazil, the Rockefellers swooped in with cheap loans which spiked under Jimmy Carter.
For those uninformed moronic twits who call Bush 43 the worst President in history, Jimmy Carter is he worst leader in history period.
I know because I was there when the news came in that he sent in that "rescue" mission for the hostages which was aimed only at rescuing his failed presidency.
I remember thinking of the Iranian p*ssing on the charred body of a US Soldier, "What else would you expect from anything Jimmy Carter was involved in."
It was well known in the Carter inner circle that all he had to do was start a war and he would win the election. He contemplated that. That is how loathsome he was.
It was into this comrade of the Soviet disaster Americans lived. You have no idea what it is like to watch prices rise by dollars a month for things you need and your main object is buy it this month as the price will be more the next.
This is what Americans were then told to register for the draft for. Pondering Canada was a definite option as dying for Jimmy Carter was absolutely repulsive.
All of us stayed because we loved America and thank God, Ronald Reagan saved this nation.
I registered out of honor for my nation. That Barck Obama registered so he could get fricking government handouts to go to dope smoking U college. That was his motivation as HE KNEW VERY WELL FROM HIS MARXIST BUDDIES like in Nam that college boys who stayed in college and became lawyers for 7 years in the only blood they would see would be like Bill Ayers having a roommate rape a Jewish girl. (See Donna Rob's story on Front Page Mag)
I was in that brier patch of time and I know it and I know what motivated Bararck Hussein Obama. The reason he can't remember time is he was so stoned everything is blur just like his nicotine burnout has his fried brain thinking America has over 50 states.
So people had better heed the warning who are voting for Barack Obama as his advisers are Jimmy Carter failures looking to use the same failures and in insanity make it work this time if sheezam I can just get that apple to fall upwards instead of down.
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"It was well known in the
September 8, 2008 - 01:43 ET by Tom Blumer"It was well known in the Carter inner circle that all he had to do was start a war and he would win the election. He contemplated that. That is how loathsome he was."
Don't doubt it. The trouble was that he was no Bill Clinton, and that he (Carter) had cut the military so much that there was very little he could do without pulling troops out of places they HAD to be (e.g. Korea, Europe).
An observation...
September 7, 2008 - 23:42 ET by rsb1As I understand it, Sen. Obama graduated in 1979 and went to Occidental College in LA. So, he presumably signed up in Hawaii during summer break in 1980.
So, his story should have been: well, I graduated in 1979 in Hawaii where there were military bases and military influences and did nothing. I then went to college in LA (need I say more?). I was then required to sign up for Selective Service in 1980 and... thought about dropping out of college to join the armed services?
Is the story more powerful to suggest he thought about it after high school when he claims there wasn't active conflict; or after he was in college and would have had a waiver even if there had been a draft and there was active conflict?
There have been other stories about his penchant for "rearranging" historical events for his own rhetorical purposes. This sounds like another one.
His other slip
September 7, 2008 - 23:51 ET by doug1950During this same interview he referred to "his Muslim beliefs" until Steffie Stefonapholushous corrected him or helped him out. Can't have your guest blowing his lines all over the place when you are trying to help him put some air back in his tires. (pun intended)
bho's gaffes are
September 8, 2008 - 12:04 ET by larry on LIa tactic to keep the publics focus away from the issues that will really harm him.JMO
Being in college ensured he
September 8, 2008 - 00:09 ET by Eileen RightBeing in college ensured he would not have to battle his "Muslim Brothers" in Iran for America.
Funny thing, as an American, in 1980 I enlisted because of Iran.
Cut some slack here.
September 8, 2008 - 02:03 ET by anneftxI'm 60 and grew up in the Vietnam "age." Several of my friends were killed in that war and I deplored it as I do the current siege in Iraq. As my southern mother-in-law said, "it sucks hind teat on a boar hog."
Our younger daughter recently resigned her officer's commission* in the AF because she was expecting a child. She deployed to Iraq several years ago. I'm terribly proud of her, and observed her gaining impressive leadership skills at a very young age. I'd never've considered military service as a career option (ref above loss of friends), but can see the sorta allure for high school grads who've little or no direction.
By age 30 I couldn't even remember what year I'd graduated. Didn't seem like a very important event. I can't remember (nor have I ever been able to) remember my children's birthdays, much less our grandchildrens'). I mentally juggle a lot of scientific details each day and earlier was buried in the minute details of advertising copywriting. I'm giving Sen. Obama some wiggle room on this.
I'm beginning to sense an Obama Derangement Syndrome on this site. If, as I do, you'd like to see an issue/program focus on the election process, we'd probably all do well to set our emotions to the side and dig for details.
I'm quite pleased that McCain/Palin got a good post convention bump in the polls. Still, this election seems to be another 'lesser of two evils' event. As a woman who broke the putative glass ceiling in the early 70's (had a baby, worked from home at full pay and got yet another raise when I returned to the office), I remain puzzled by the continuing reference to the ceiling. Gov. Palin isn't a saint. She put her head down, grabbed her convictions and headed forward. My hat's off to her. She's a wonderfully attractive and compelling as a speaker. I expect that MSM will dig deep for dirt. For myself, I'd probably come up head first and say: "I did this and thus. Some based on emotion, most based on philosophy. Get over it."
* I'd like to thank each of you personally for the tax dollars you paid to put our daughter through college as a member of the military.
anneftx
Cut some slack? No way
September 8, 2008 - 03:16 ET by HumblepieI had four cousin's that severed in Vietnam, two died. I enlisted on Jan. 10th, 1978, 31 days after my 18th birthday. Not because of the "allure for high school grads who've little or no direction," that you state, but out of sheer patriotism. After spending twenty-one year, I can say it was the most fulfilling experience. The reason for someone to join, or not join, is their own.
Even at the nice age of 49, I can remember when I graduated (biggest grin on my face). Better yet I can still remember my sisters, parents and more importantly, my kids birthday. How could I forget the day we were blessed. I still remember when my kids cut their first tooth and when they uttered the word "Daddy." Hell, I can even still remember that the United States is made up of 50, count them, 50 states. But thats just me.
But to suggest we should leave him alone for making blunder after blunder is off the mark. Obama changes his stories and facts to fit his needs. He is running for the highest office in the land and he can't even keep his stories correct. Maybe he spend more time outlining what his plans for change is. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a gun loving, beer drinking white male.
As for the lesser of two evils. No one here will challenge that as McCain is no friend to the Republican Party. Times have changed since he picked Palin as VP. She is the new face of the party.
But to give Barry a break. Won't happen. He is just getting back some of the fruits of his hard labor.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
I Honor Your Daughter's Service; Disagree on Barry
September 8, 2008 - 06:45 ET by Tom BlumerIf he had said "I graduated in _____ (fill in year), and a year later had to register for Selective Service," I could see it, even though I think most people have when they graduated from HS and college etched in their brains.
He said he HAD to register RIGHT after high school, when it was impossible, not a whole year and three months later. That is historically, and I believe deliberately wrong. He wanted to tell the questioner (and viewers) that he thought about joining. I don't believe a word of it, and the non-alignment of his story with his own history and that of the Sel. Svc. supports that belief.
It would have been interesting if Steffie had followed up by asking which branch of service, and did he see a recruiter. That would, of course, be questioning the Messiah, which ever since the lefties attacked him for doing it at one of the debates (and absolutely exposing O as a phony in the process), he has been reluctant to do.
Wow...
September 8, 2008 - 09:58 ET by Mr. BishopNever considered the military as a career option? Well, that is your opinion, no matter how incredibly ridiculous it is. There is NO allure for high school grads who've little or no direction. I know this sound incredibly difficult for a person who seems to have distaste for people in the military (based upon your own tone in this one post), but some people (read: vast majority) join because they (*GASP*) actually like this country, and wish to serve. Yes, I *do* know what I am talking about. My family is all military. My friends are all military.
Oddly enough, none of us joined because we were sitting around right after high school thinking to ourselves, "You know... I have nothing to do with my life -- I can't afford college (another retarded liberal notion of people joining), my parents have no money for me to survive without working (another retarded liberal notion of people joining), and I have no job skills (another retarded liberal notion of people joining). Maybe I should join the military!"
For most of us, it has never had anything to do with this. It's been a profound interest in serving our country in the form of its protection.
My grandfather was in the Army in World War II, and was a Second Lieutenant when it ended. My father server 19 years in the Navy and left -- LEFT -- because he would not serve under a draft dodger (Clinton) as a Lieutenant Commander. My older brother enlisted when he was 18, I enlisted when I was 17, my younger brothers each enlisted when they were 18. For us, it was never any other possibility of life except serving our country. I left the military in 2003, and am re-enlisting in the Army currently because civilians make no sense -- too damned much stupidity and disorder exists for me to be able to be comfortable here in civilian life. Funny thing is -- my brother in the Army, and the one in the Marines are still in and holding strong -- not because they have to, not because they have no ambition, not because they have no direction. Quite the opposite -- they have all the direction in the world. They just have more respect for the country, than to think that serving means you have no direction in your life. The only brother not currently still serving who enlisted, is the one in the Air Force. He left on a medical discharge when the Air Force determined that his hips were falling apart.
Age 30, you can't remember when you graduated? Now, this may sound like a personal thing, but seriously -- perhaps the issue is that you were doing, or are doing, something that ecouraged that loss of memory? I don't drink, I don't do drugs (never have), I do smoke cigarettes, and in 2 months, I turn 31. I know what year I graduated. You know how that is? Three days after I graduated, I went to Basic Training and AIT for the Army. Gosh, if that Army stuff doesn't help me remember my life also! It'd probably shock you to know that even growing up, it effected me in ways that I know when events happened in history based upon where my dad was stationed at the time.
I am a person who will argue the tiniest detail in a sentence. I will argue how one word added or altered to a sentence, will change the meaning of a sentence, utterly and completely. I will not, under any circumstances, allow anyone to say that Obama's "excuse" will fly. I throw the BS Card. Obama doesn't have a bloody clue when he graduated and when he signed up for the SSA because he was high as a kite and drunk as a skunk during those years. It wasn't a slip. It certainly wasn't because he happened to forget the actual year because it was "so long ago" or anything else. The bottom line is that Obama doesn't know what happened in those years because his "life experiences" prevent him from recalling them, nothing more.
In closing, don't ever again, criticize in any small way, reasons for people enlisting in the military. Whether someone enlists because they have "little or no direction" in their life, they are doing something that most people don't have the guts to do -- protect a country they love with their life if necessary, more then those who refuse to serve. Note, I said refuse, not don't. There are many who want to serve, but can't -- but refusing to serve is completely and utterly different. "Little or no direction" be damned... work at f*ing McDonald's if you have "little or no direction" in your life -- don't claim that as the reason someone joins the military.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
LOL Mr. Bishop
September 8, 2008 - 13:58 ET by HumblepieHow's your blood pressure, a little lower now I hope. :)
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Mr. Bishop:
September 8, 2008 - 18:34 ET by j. frank wilsonIf Sen. McCain consumed alcohol to excess, or Gov. Palin smoked a little weed, would you make the same comments about them?
I believe if they had then
September 8, 2008 - 19:43 ET by Dan The Man 2I believe if they had then it would depend on what they say now about such activities. Paul, of the Bible, was the vilest of the vile and held the cloaks for those stoning Steven. Paul later rebuked his activities and asked for forgiveness from those he oppressed. Has Obama asked for forgiveness and does he rebuke his sins? No he continues to sin without asking for forgiveness, he is an abortionist without compare.
In my church we had a member who had a secret passion for little boys. He was caught and was abjudicated. He continued to be a member throughout until his recent death. He asked for forgiveness and we as a church body gave it to him.
Frankie, the upshot is you really dont understand and most likely never will.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Can you prove?
September 9, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Mr. BishopNumber one, my "comments" weren't based upon Obama at all. They were rejecting the statements of the poster who I was replying to. The only mention of Obama concerned the reasoning he can't remember anything on what happened after he graduated. It was an honest mistak on his part, but based upon his sheer stupidity of being in a constant high, and drunk on a continual basis.
So, back off and start reading before you start replying.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
>>>And I was growing up in
September 8, 2008 - 00:24 ET by seanrobins>>>And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I had friend whose parents were in the military, there were a lot of Army, military bases there. And I always actually thought of the military as some ennobling and honorable option
This comment sounds suspiciously like: "Some of my best friends are in the military . . ."
I don't find anything complementary in what he says here. Plus, this kind thoughts expressed here are definitely made in the past tense.
How about now, Barry?
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
Tone
September 8, 2008 - 10:04 ET by Mr. BishopI'd have to actually hear the statement personally, but reading it -- it sounds a lot like Obama makes that statement in an effort to appeal to those in the military, but it reads like he is saying his "eyes" were opened.
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If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
Come on now, this post is a
September 8, 2008 - 00:51 ET by fishsandwichesrgoodCome on now, this post is a nit pick. I graduated from HS the same year BO did and I seem to remember "having to" do the Selective Service registration thing. Now, I have no doubt that BO never seriously considered military service, but this post doesn't really strike me as worthy enough to be a NB story.
Snicker, snicker you don't
September 8, 2008 - 10:31 ET by dscottSnicker, snicker you don't get the joke, let me explain it to you...
Obama's discussion with Snuffy implied, "he had to register" (for government service in the military) as though it was completely against his will and it demeaned him to do so. All the more ironic when you consider it was a Repub who discontinued the draft and it was a DEMOCRAT who re-instituted the Draft (for no apparent reason.)
Shades of Charlie Rangel…of course the most humorous part is Democrats calling for a draft when manpower levels were largely met with an All Volunteer Army during a period of extended conflict.
Yes, this was dripping with irony on sooooo many levels.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
"O-blam-a"
September 8, 2008 - 01:11 ET by G-MoneyNext thing you know he'll be saying he had to dodge sniper fire while organizing his community.
It was Chicago. So I could
September 8, 2008 - 07:17 ET by Jack BauerIt was Chicago. So I could believe that!
In The Words Of Butt-Head ...
September 8, 2008 - 02:55 ET by SquonkamaticObama is a wuss who can't get anything right, and he's not good at anything.
I'll leave off the part about his mom being a slut, but I think the point is still made: Obama sucks, he's such a lousy candidate, you have to wonder how can actually consider voting for him.
1979, 1980, who cares?
September 8, 2008 - 06:27 ET by smartestmaninamericaSorry, but this is much ado about nothing. We have important issue to deal with. Let's not try to play gotcha over someone's memories of 30 years ago and specific dates.
Please.
Sorry, but this is a
September 8, 2008 - 08:55 ET by Ruths husband BenSorry, but this is a no-starter. Who cares? At least he did register. There is enough about Senator Community Organ to scare us all, this doesn't reach the bar. I couldn't even tell you what I had for breakfast thirty years ago (two eggs over easy, grits, bacon, toast with blackberry jelly, black coffee), much less whether I registered for the draft then (I registered for the draft in 1974, thank God for Pres. Nixon nixing the draft), but went ahead and enlisted in 1977.
“it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.” - Justice Antonin Scalia
I graduated the same year and remember registering for it
September 8, 2008 - 09:54 ET by jeffinsacSorry, but this article is just the same as the distortions coming out from some of the liberal extermist sites in my opinon, because I graduated from high school in 1979 also and remembered I had to register for Selective Services. Do I remember if it was right when I graduated or the year after? No and in fact if you had asked me this same question I would have responded in the exact same way. Maybe it is my old age showing. :-)
"Little" problems, indeed.
September 8, 2008 - 10:27 ET by j. frank wilsonThis sort of trivia is self-evident desperation.
No word about Sen. McCain's "evolving" explanations about why he voted against the Bush Tax Cuts.
No comment about Gov. Palin's various stories about why "The Bridge To Nowhere" wasn't built.
Actually, the fact that Sen. McCain can't get the "Governor's jet on eBay" story straight is more pertinent - clearly he doesn't know Gov. Palin well, at all.
Speaking of Gov. Palin - when does she actually become a candidate, holding press conferences, answering questions, appearing on the interview shows? Why do the Republicans feel compelled to keep her in a cocoon?
Yes, speaking of Palin
September 8, 2008 - 12:14 ET by JWFYou are the only one speaking of Palin on a post about Obama.
What is self evident is that you are obsessed with irrelevant comments that push your agenda.
No comment on J Frank Wilson pushing his narrative in inappropriate threads.
No word on J Frank Wilson's crush on Obama. J gotta crush on Obama.
Concur: I was awaiting J
September 8, 2008 - 15:22 ET by BDConcur:
I was awaiting J Franks esoteric comments regarding lunar research and the odds of drawing to an inside straight as well....
The odds of drawing
September 8, 2008 - 17:33 ET by j. frank wilsonto an inside straight are 100% if you do it and 0% if you don't.
The odds of filling an inside straight in Five Card draw are 47:4 or about 12:1.
j.f.w.
September 8, 2008 - 12:23 ET by larry on LIi think we are about to hear from the next vp of the USA
Frankie are you scared, you
September 8, 2008 - 12:44 ET by Dan The Man 2Frankie are you scared, you should be. Dems are going down, and no one is named Monica. This is an issue as it is among all the little things he says and does, like his Muslim faith. In any investigation it is the little slips of the tongue and they add up to solid conclusions. Yep run Frankie run.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan The Man 2:
September 8, 2008 - 17:56 ET by j. frank wilsonI take it you are not an alumnus of the Electoral College?
"If you're worried, you're scared. If you're scared, buy a dog." - Mike Tyson
No, are you? The
September 8, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Dan The Man 2No, are you? The Electoral College is where Gore failed to get his diploma. There is only one poll that counts and that is the one that chooses the Electoral College, or more succinctly chooses which party chooses the delegates going to the college.
See Frankie, see Frankie run. Run Frankie run.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Apparently you confuse me
September 8, 2008 - 20:22 ET by j. frank wilsonme with Sen. McCain. He is the gentleman running for office and from his and his party's record...
worse than the question of when
September 8, 2008 - 15:11 ET by JohnMis his comment about what:
"I always actually thought of the military as some ennobling and honorable option."
Sorry to be a sensitive English-as-my-first-language writer (yes: technical writing, specifications and requirements, coaching, and a little NLP), but that statement REEKS of condescension and deception.
The word "actually", inserted into a statement, reveals that the speaker's thoughts are running in a different direction than as stated. Using "actually" is an attempt to make something not real be accepted by the listener as if it were real. So, I'm wondering which part he was attempting to make acceptable: the part about the military option being "ennobling and honorable", or that he was "always" thinking about it. Either one, I'm not buying it.
Another part that is very unusual is the use of the word "some" in reference to the military as an option. To me, it raises the unspoken comparsion that the military isn't alone in being "ennobling and honorable" work, that there are others. So it makes me ask: please answer the unanswered question: To what other work is military service comparable? I wonder if in his mind, it's comparable to community service, or maybe being in the Peace Corps, or building a Habitat for Humanity. I sure wish someone would have picked up on that and asked him. It begs for his answer.
And finally, just the use of the word "option" in conjunction with the idea of military service raises a red flag for me. I see a huge gulf of difference in meaning and sentiment between serving from a sense of "duty" or "honor" and seeing such service as just another employment opportunity. I'm sorry, but one who takes a "job" in the military is putting their a** out there, even if they're a clerk-typist or a cook's assistant - someday they could be called to do that "job" under fire. Not the same as whether to flip burgers or salt the fries in some air-conditioned glass-enclosed restaurant on Main Street in downtown Anywhere, USA.
Military service, once agreed to, becomes one's "obligation." It is one's SWORN statement of service, and cements in a legal contract one's willingness to risk one's life for their country. That's why it is not to be taken lightly, or for trivial reasons.
It is much more than an "option", and I really, deeply resent the light-headedness from which that thought came.
Thank you for listening. You may now revert to ordinary conversation. The Pronoun Police have spoken.
-JohnM