The media are currently apoplectic about the Obama-as-Hitler references at town hall meetings across the country.
As we have reported again and again, they are often incorrectly ascribing these references to talk radio host Rush Limbaugh and conservatives - as it is lunatic fringe Leftist Lyndon LaRouche that is making these Obama-as-Hitler posters and comparisons.
But this collective media conniption at references to the President as Der Fuhrer is a new development. Back in the George W. Bush days, the Jurrasic Press was far less reviled by the often made Bush-as-Hitler comparisons, and indeed some saw similarites.
As you can see in the video at right. Anyone remember CNN's Susan Roesgen? She is the recently ex-CNN reporter who made a name for herself by assaulting on-air April 15 TEA Party protesters this past Tax Day.
But this clip is from January 13, 2006, with Ms. Roesgen reporting from New Orleans on Hurricane Katrina. During which she says, in reference to a man in a giant Bush head with a Hitler mustache (and devil horns):
"City officials aren't the only ones wondering when federal money will materialize. Catholic school girls marched on Jackson Square. They and their teachers say more money is needed to fix the levees, and they hoped the President would stop by after his meeting with business leaders. But while a look-alike showed up with a wad of cash, Mr. Bush did not."
"Look-alike?" Where's the outrage? Where's the indignation?
Like LaRouche today, these were Leftists making the comparison. And the media didn't seem to mind.
What has changed between then and now? Oh yes, the Party of the occupant of the Oval Office.
Some Presidents, it seems, are more equal than others.
—Seton Motley is Director of Communications for the Media Research Center and Contributing Editor for NewsBusters.org.




















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Hypocrites
August 13, 2009 - 12:01 ET by iveseenitallDo as I say, not as I do. As we see with the "healthcare" Congress won't take for themselves--"liberals" are first-class hypocrites. Dante has them far down in Hell.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I think both parties failed
August 13, 2009 - 16:24 ET by MozillaI think both parties failed us to an extent. But the left is much worse. They are pretty radical and ignorant. Trying to attack everyone who says anything and stop dissent. That is out of the playbook of third world countries like Venezuela. They are attacking citizens. Citizens who know the truth. Beck is showing examples tonight on Fox News about the unfair coverage similar to this thread and site. The media is a major problem. They wanted this regime to come into power and they got it. The networks that brought us this garbage have to be held accountable too. The hypocrisy is there for all to see.
Hitler was a socialist,
August 13, 2009 - 12:06 ET by mattmHitler was a socialist, just like the modern Democrat Party.
Depicting Republicans as Hitler is a dirty trick, depicting a democrat this way is merely descritpive.
Well that's because back in
August 13, 2009 - 12:09 ET by motherbeltWell that's because back in those days, they were "speaking truth to power." Now Hitler-callers are just speaking "hate speech."
All the good stuff was
August 13, 2009 - 12:14 ET by 10ksnookerAll the good stuff was already used on Bush.
As I've posted a few times
August 13, 2009 - 12:20 ET by nwahsAs we have reported again and again,
they are often incorrectly ascribing these references to talk radio
host Rush Limbaugh and conservatives - as it is lunatic fringe Leftist
Lyndon LaRouche that is making these Obama-as-Hitler posters and
comparisons.
Rush is drawing Obama / Hitler paralells and he's says he doing it to "reply in kind" to the left.
So while LaRouche is doing it, so is Rush. The sound bytes are out there. I've posted them with links. So are you going to keep saying Rush isn't drawing comparisons with the rise of the Third Reich when there is audio evidence he is doing exactly that, and have stated his reasons for doing so?
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
you haven't beaten that horse enough yet??
August 13, 2009 - 12:46 ET by candanceSeriously. We get it. You think Rush is wrong for saying what he said.
This thread is about MSM reaction.
And I'm saying the confusion is understandable
August 13, 2009 - 13:26 ET by nwahsRush is probably the most visible of all making the Hitler comparisons, so the confusion is understandable. It can be argued that Rush started the Hitler comparisons, and is the driver of the Hitler comparisons.
But it really is a false lament. Rush LOVES the attention - he's not shunning it. He wants to be the driver of the Hitler comparisons. LaRouche should be the one whining.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Actually it was the Speaker of the House...
August 13, 2009 - 13:30 ET by Prester John...who brought up the whole issue of swastikas.
Rush is merely parodying what the Dems did to Bush for years e.g. Durbin and our Nazi guards at Gitmo.
Pelosi brought them up
August 13, 2009 - 13:45 ET by nwahsPelosi brought them up because they were there -very few - but they were there. They were there because Rush and Beck started drawing Nazi parallels before the town hall meetings. They didn't spontaneously appear. Truth is truth and BS is BS. I don't want government run health care. That has nothing to do with the Hitler crap. This is different. This is tinfoil crap, and I ain't signing up for that.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
they were there?
August 13, 2009 - 13:47 ET by candanceLink please.
Candance
August 13, 2009 - 21:44 ET by DoktorFrankenHere's the picture Pelosi was referring to. Of course it's certainly, absolutely NOTHING like she makes it out to be but that never stopped a Leftist, did it?
http://wizbangblog.c...
I want to see one confirmed photo or instance (as opposed to the many confirmed Leftist plants) of an actual Nazi at any of these Tea Parties or Town Halls.
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Dok... A picture like
August 13, 2009 - 21:52 ET by bigtimerDok...
A picture like that is worth a thousand words, and they cannot handle it.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
so your saying that...
August 13, 2009 - 19:16 ET by Ascended ConservativeRush and Beck say Obamaca has erie parallels with the socialist german workers party's beliefs and are encouraging people to bring swasitikas to the town halls. so these people must be the supporters of Obamacare? right? lol...
-ascended conservative
Powerline asked this too. Back it up backwards shawn.
August 13, 2009 - 20:26 ET by JWFThere is no credible evidence that anyone was showing up with symbols of the Third Reich before Pelosi made the claim. Nor is there much evidence of people showing up with them outside of Larouche.
Pelosi brought them up because they were there -very few - but they were there.
Back it up, backwards Shawn. Prove to us exactly where the very few were.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
There's plenty
August 13, 2009 - 20:45 ET by nwahsI don't know if you don't know how to find them or if you think I can't?
http://cockingasnook...
http://2.bp.blogspot...
here's ther event that comes from..
http://inaholdingpat...
This:
http://1.bp.blogspot...
from this event:
http://reform-dem.bl...
Do you need more?
I don't make crap up. Its too easy to prove one is making crap up.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
the nazi references are
August 13, 2009 - 21:07 ET by Ascended Conservativethe nazi references are towards the administration. they are making a point that a lot in the administration (advisors and czars) are in favor of nazi like programs. there are no "nazis" wearing swastika's like gang colors going to these town halls and opposing the administration as many are suggesting. these are mostly regular pissed off folks, not acorn/seiu paid protestors. so you have a problem with them characterizing some of the administrations policies as being nazi like?
-ascended conservative
nwahs - I never thought you were stupid. Don't insult me.
August 13, 2009 - 21:08 ET by JWFI was referring to the same thing Nancy Pelosi was referring - the townhall protests in AUGUST OF 2009. Was I not clear? Was Nancy not clear? Why are you blowing smoke up my butt?
Your links
1. from a tea party protest in july
2. undated blogger who probably made up the sign and stood in his own driveway.
3. tea party protest from april
4. another undated blogger that could be a plant, could be you? Just so you can't claim the truth? Huh?
5. Yet another tea party. Was or was friggin not Nancy friggin Pelosi talking about the friggin town halls?
Stop it. I never pegged you for being dishonest until now.
I could write nwahs/hitler references on my butt and send a jpeg to a blog. Then we will have definitive proof huh?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I've linked the photos
August 13, 2009 - 21:14 ET by nwahsI've linked the photos Pelosi was talking about , yesterday. Fox News has televised the photos. Its not made up. You think I'm making up the fact there are photos? I posted the links of the Nazi imagery at tea parties to show you the imagery started long before town hall meetings and Pelosi's remark. The imagery started after Beck's programs on American fascism, back in April.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
do you have a problem with
August 13, 2009 - 21:18 ET by Ascended Conservativedo you have a problem with them characterizing some of the administrations policies as being nazi like
-ascended conservative
interesting
August 13, 2009 - 21:18 ET by katainkentStrangely enough I listen to neither yet still find myself making similar observations.
I also find some similarities with Communist Russia, Hugo Chavez and the Peróns
___________________________________________
"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Still being dishonest with me.
August 13, 2009 - 22:07 ET by JWFPELOSI: I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care.
Pelosi did not mention the history. Don't know why you are all bent about it. She specifically said town hall meeting. Not tea parties. Not backwards shawn's driveway. Not nwahs/hitler tatoo on my butt.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
August 13, 2009 - 22:34 ET by MrShyHahaha.... JWF. Funny guy.
Yes nwahs, I'm now lathering up JWF. There, I preempted your soap joke (which is funny, but only one time :))
Thanks MrShy. The other cheek available for advertisements.
August 13, 2009 - 22:47 ET by JWFI see you responded. Where is nwahs?
nwahs: Pelosi brought them up because they were there -very few - but they were there.
JWF: There is no credible evidence that anyone was showing up with symbols of the Third Reich before Pelosi made the claim.
nwahs links to photos to huh?
JWF: I was referring to the same thing Nancy Pelosi was referring - the townhall protests in AUGUST OF 2009.
nwahs: I've linked the photos Pelosi was talking about , yesterday.
What? Then why give a bunch of garbage links today?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
August 13, 2009 - 20:51 ET by MrShyThrough all of his obsessive backflips to paint Rush as someone over-the-line, he went out of his way to inform us that he voted for Bush both times, AND, voted for McCain. He's one of US, JWF!! So LISTEN!
He voted twice for a guy who's a middle-of-the-road Republican at best, but pretty centrist, really, and then voted for the biggest RINO ever. Bravo.
What we have in the Oval Office now is a frightening blend of ego / con artistry / hard-leftist ideology / victimhood-embracer / a man with zero integrity / a media-created cult of personality icon ....
What backwards shawn doesn't get is, tough times -- and these are indeed tough -- call for tough measures. Rush is being tough and putting us on alert. There's a very good reason and he needs to continue doing it.
Wrong again
August 13, 2009 - 21:01 ET by nwahsThrough all of his obsessive backflips to paint Rush as someone
over-the-line, he went out of his way to inform us that he voted for
Bush both times, AND, voted for McCain. He's one of US, JWF!! So LISTEN!
I'm not one of you. I abhor hypocrisy. I can't even fake it. I can't do the wrong thing and put on a happy face. I am not one of you. I think a .01% of this world are truly evil people, that would slit your throat if they could get away with it. I think 10% of this world are thieves, that would take all of your stuff if they could get away with it. I think 25% of this world are pilferers, that would take some of your stuff if they could get away with it. I think most people are trying to do whats right.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Bizarro Shawn
August 13, 2009 - 21:03 ET by Free StinkerI'm not one of you.
We noticed . . .
I abhor hypocrisy.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
That was a good one!
Update: How is your reading comprehension these days?
And those are impressive H's
August 13, 2009 - 21:06 ET by nwahsThats a fine argument.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I wanted to keep it to
August 13, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Free StinkerI wanted to keep it to something you could actually understand.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Free
August 13, 2009 - 21:21 ET by MrShyLook below, nwahs is now done with me, in essence. When I corner libs, it always ends this way. They withdraw.
Do you have a scorecard handy?
Shy
August 13, 2009 - 21:22 ET by Free StinkerToo late! See below! ;-)
nwahs - from the pulpit
August 13, 2009 - 21:10 ET by MrShyI love getting soul-searching, from-up-high lectures on what humanity is all about. I get these a lot, actually, so please, continue to lather me. It's what I need, I know. Bring me to my knees.
Oddly..... I always get these from............ liberals.
Hmmmmmmmmm........
I will agree on one thing, b-w shawn: RIP Les Paul
No you can do yourself
August 13, 2009 - 21:16 ET by nwahsNo, you can do yourself. I'm just going to ignore you as this has went south.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Translation:
August 13, 2009 - 21:18 ET by Free StinkerI'm just going to ignore you as this has went south.
Translation:
Mr. Shy: 1
bizarro shawn: 0
Free #2
August 13, 2009 - 21:22 ET by MrShyHAHAHA.... look above :)
Jinx!
It really is amazing how I piss those I'm debating with off, and yet I never call them names... not first, anyway.
Free #3
August 13, 2009 - 21:34 ET by MrShyWhat went south was his delusion that he was fooling us. His use of that word was subconscious, I'm sure, on some level.
I love putting the mirror to certain people.
Shy
August 13, 2009 - 21:34 ET by Free StinkerSubconscious indeed.
"Monsters from the Id" ;-)
This from the man
August 13, 2009 - 21:57 ET by nwahsThis from the man bringing soap bubbles into a conversation with another man. Go lather Free stinker, leave me out of it.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 22:10 ET by MrShyHahaha..... that was good :)
nwahs has morphed into Jer, it looks like. He's all pouty now.
scorecard
August 13, 2009 - 22:13 ET by Free StinkerMr.Shy: 2
bizarro shawn: 0
Ha! Double Ha. hypocisy on parade.
August 13, 2009 - 22:12 ET by JWFThis coming from a guy that based his acronym moniker on weird phrases.
Now Wondering About Her Sexuality
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
~Nice subject line
August 13, 2009 - 21:19 ET by choselife3xCatchy. ;-)
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
;
August 13, 2009 - 21:26 ET by nwahsor catching eh? :)
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Rush LOVES the attention
August 13, 2009 - 13:32 ET by Jack BauerThat's pretty funny from a guy who has posted over 200 banal posts on this one subject.
Obsessive, much.
Jack... You pretty much
August 13, 2009 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerJack...
You pretty much summed it up.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well you know
August 13, 2009 - 18:16 ET by nwahsYou can always skip over them. Not hard to do - the author is on the second line of the heading. There's a few I skip over :)
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
You can always skip over
August 14, 2009 - 11:28 ET by Jack BauerYou can always skip over Rush Limbaugh. Not hard to do.
But as you seem to have an obessesive=compulsive disorder, I guess that's a no no.
No, I enjoy pointing out BS
August 14, 2009 - 13:41 ET by nwahsI'm not griping about Rush being on the air. I'm just posting what he actually says and what he says he says. They're two different things.
Today: "No one is calling Obama, Hitler"
Yesterday: "Adolf Hitler, like Obama, also ruled by dictate."
Today: "There no photographic evidence of this [swastikas]"
Um, yes there is:
http://cockingasnook...
http://inaholdingpat...
http://reform-dem.bl...
http://djrimaging.sm...
http://radioactiveli...
Today: "No one is calling Obama, Hitler"
Today: "Obama has surrounded himself with Jew-haters."
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Now you are deliberately lying AFTER I corrected you.
August 14, 2009 - 19:27 ET by JWFI don't lie here. Respected people do not lie here.
No one is showing up at town halls. That is what they are referring to. LIAR
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
No I'm not lying, I posted evidence
August 14, 2009 - 19:38 ET by nwahsThe two last links are Nazi symbols at town hall meetings before Pelosi said anything. No you can close your eyes and wish real hard, but all you're going to get is a headache. Its true, there's evidence its true, and it will remain true no matter how hard you deny it.
The two last links in the above post are from town hall meetings before Pelosi made her comments. One of those pictures was used on Fox news to show what Pelosi was talking about.
You're just wrong. Deal with it.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Are you still here ?
August 14, 2009 - 19:46 ET by Free StinkerAre you still here ?
No. You are posting more of the same lies.
August 14, 2009 - 19:54 ET by JWFnwahs the liar: The two last links in the above post are from town hall meetings before Pelosi made her comments
There was one woman with a swastika that had the no symbol over it. One. You have used the plural tense here time and time again. That was the 2nd to last you spoke of. One. One person with one swastika sign. With the no symbol over it.
This is the 2nd time I have corrected you. You and DoctorFranken have posted pictures of the one sign, only one, from 2 different angles.
This last link was from the New Hampshire Tax Day protest. That is in April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April.
New Hampshire Tax Day Tea Party Rally Where: Victory Park, Manchester, NH When: April 15th, 2009 @ 5:30pm. Join us and send the message that ...
Look at the properties of that jpeg - ...adioactiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/nhtaxdayrally17.jpg
APRIL YOU LYING LITTLE HOSEBAG.
Either refer to it correctly, as one single solitary sign, or KNOCK IT OFF. You are lying.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Im not lying
August 15, 2009 - 10:14 ET by nwahsI'n not lying, thats silly. I accidentally posted a tea party picture on the 2nd to last link. There are so many tea part images with Nazi symbolism, its easy to confuse them. And there have been a few of the symbols that appeared at town hall meetings. I've posted one, and the one Fox news showed is different- it was a smaller sign. I've also seen on on CNN that a man was holding -long and rectangular. The only person lying is Rush when he says there is no photographic evidence and that Pelosi called anyone a Nazi.
There is, and you agree at least *one* of my town hall links is actual. The "no" symbol is over it, but Pelosi didn't say anyone was advocating Nazism, she said they were bringing that symbolism to town hall meetings, meaning they were comparing Obama to Hitler. Rush spun it to say she was claiming the protesters were advocating Nazism. She never said that and she never called anyone a Nazi. She called them "AstroTurf" and then brought up the Nazi symbolism to connect it to Glenn Beck's long running theme that Obama is much like Hitler. She was affecting, like the tea parties, they were organized.There is no evidence at all of Pelosi calling protesters Nazis and I defy you to find any. Rush LIED. She never said that.
I don't believe Pelosi that most of the turnout was organized. I do believe the few cases of the swastikas and Hitler imagery that did show up were because of Glen Beck's theme of Obama being like Hitler.I don't think that accounts for much of the crowds. Much of the crowd looks like scared elderly people to me.
Anyway, I'm not lying. When Rush says there is no photographic evidence of Nazi symbolism at town hall meetings and that Pelosi call protesters Nazis, he iss lying outright and by omission. There is photographic evidence, there is first hand accounts, and Pelsoi never called anyone a Nazi.
I'm not defending Pelosi. But fact is fact and bull is bull. You seem to want to confuse the two. I don't think shock radio is a great way to debate, but thats me. If you honestly believe Rush doesn't twist and distort, well there's not a thing I can tell you because you think I'm the devil.
Calm down a little - you're going to bust a vessel! :D
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
You are either stupid or lying. Pick one.
August 15, 2009 - 10:54 ET by JWFLet's play a game. It's called Stupid or Lie.
I accidentally posted a tea party picture on the 2nd to last link. - Lie. Lie Lie. Every picture except the 2nd to last were tea party pictures.
There are so many tea part images with Nazi symbolism, its easy to confuse them. - Lie. There is one picture from town hall meetings. One. Every other picture you posted was from tea party protests. Protests where peope carry signs. Not meetings where people go to interact with their Congressman.
And there have been a few of the symbols that appeared at town hall meetings. I've posted one, and the one Fox news showed is different- it was a smaller sign. - Lie. Lie. More Lies. You posted the ONLY sign from Town Hall Meetings. The rest were from protests months ago. Fox news had the same sign from a different angle. There is only ONE SIGN so far.
I've also seen on on CNN that a man was holding -long and rectangular. - Stupid. If you saw another picture. Why not post it here so you can at least appear to tell the truth?
The only person lying is Rush...- Stupid lie. I have only seen one person lie - You backwards shawn. Repeatedly.
I do believe the few cases of the swastikas and Hitler imagery - Lie. I have shown over and over again. It was ONE sign. You have failed over and over again to find even one more.
All the rest of backwards shawns post - talking out his butt and trying to find some tiny cover for his lies.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Both
August 15, 2009 - 10:59 ET by NeoConfirmedWhen you're talking about libs, isn't stupid and lying the same thing?
What are you talking about?
August 15, 2009 - 12:25 ET by nwahsI'm wondering if you have mental problems. Rush said there was NO photographic evidence of Nazi symbolism at the town hall meetings. Thats a blatant lie. You're looking at one picture. The swastika with a "no" symbol over it - say no to Nazism. Inferring Obamacare is Nazism. That Nazi symbolism. You really don't get that? It equates Obamacare with Nazism.
Rush said Pelosi called the protesters Nazis. That didn't happen. It was a LIE. Pelosi said protesters were carying Nazi symbols to tea parties, and the were. Several people, even Fox news crews have seen them and there is a picture of at least one ( that I can readily prove, I've seen 2 more on Fox and CNN). Nazi symbolism was so prolific at the tea parties ( there are hundreds of images of that) its really hard to imagine it just spontaneously dried up especially when people were stating they were seeing it. I don't believe that the one and only lightning strike ( appearance of a Nazi symbol) was caught on camera.Rush lied because ther is at least one photograph of the Nazi symbolism, and Rush lied in omitting the fact that others have admitted seeing it, that at least two news stations ( Fox and CNN) have broadcast pictures of protesters carrying signs with Nazi symbolism.
Rush said he didn't compare Obama to Hitler. Thats a LIE. He said like Hitler, Obama rules by dictate.He compared the rise of Hitler to the rise of Obama.
Rush did his fair share of lying on this, and if you for a second think he's above that, then you are indeed naive. Hey, but its probably blissful! :D
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
The Liar sez what?
August 15, 2009 - 17:42 ET by JWFThe liar thinks I should believe him when he calls others liars. Not gonna happen.
The liar has proof Rush Limbaugh lied? Create a forum in the Woodshed. Not gonna discuss Rush Limbaugh with a liar here.
For the record, I never said one thing about Rush Limbaugh in any of my posts with the liar here. He is diverting attention from his own lies.
Lie - Pelosi brought them up because they were there -very few - but they were there. - There was one and the liar has not been able to come up with one more single example in 2 days.
Lie - There's plenty - All links to tax day protests.
Lie - I accidentally posted a tea party picture on the 2nd to last link. - Every picture except the 2nd to last were tea party pictures.
You have company. Here is another liar for you to hang out with.
goldbar is a lying partisan hack and here is the proof
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Ok
August 15, 2009 - 18:31 ET by nwahsThe liar thinks I should believe him when he calls others liars. Not gonna happen.
The liar has proof Rush Limbaugh lied? Create a forum in the Woodshed. Not gonna discuss Rush Limbaugh with a liar here.
You're starting to sound like Gollum, talking in the third person and all.
"What has the nasty thief gots in it pocketses, my precious?"
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Little Bizarro Shawn is back !
August 15, 2009 - 18:33 ET by Free StinkerGuess who's back ?! Little Bizarro Shawn!
Again. More diversion from the liar owning up to his lies.
August 15, 2009 - 18:37 ET by JWFDismissive posts so he does not have to own up to his lies.
The swastika in your fist
August 14, 2009 - 19:53 ET by NL207The swastika in your fist example is overlaid with the red 'prohibited' symbol. The demonstrator is REJECTING nazism.
I won't even follow your remaining links after seeing that. Anyone who is so intellectually dishonest as to claim that represents a positive display of Nazism has no integrity whatsoever. That includes you, Nanacy Pelosi and any other propagandist or liar who portrays the town hall demonstartors a 'neo-nazis' based on that evidence.
The saddest part about this is that you are too stupid and / or morally depraved to even be ashamed of making the presentation. Get out of here. You add nothing to the debate here except a walking target.
Thanks NL207
August 14, 2009 - 19:56 ET by JWFIt was the only sign that anyone has any evidence of when Nancy Pelosi spoke of people carrying swastika symbols to town halls.
nwahs is officially a liar.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
NP. Fresh Troll is
August 14, 2009 - 20:03 ET by NL207NP.
Fresh Troll is delicious. Want to try some?
What in the WORLD does
August 13, 2009 - 13:42 ET by MrShyWhat in the WORLD does your irrelevant view that "Rush LOVES the attention" have to do with anything?
Okay, what the hey, I'll play along then:
Olbermann LOVES LOVES the attention
Chris Matthews LOVES LOVES LOVES the attention
The View girls absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the attention
Ed Cafferty LOVES LOVES LOVES -- I'm sure, ABSOLUTELY ADORES -- the attention he gets having his cute 3 minutes of fame each evening
Ganiene Garrafalolalolio (sp?) LOVES LOVES LOVES -- CAN'T GET ENOUGH -- OF the attention
Bill Maher LOOOOOOOOOOVES the attention of having his stupid libturd HBO show
Michael Moore..... aaaah.... I'm exhausted.
I'll stop there.
you have to understand, Shy
August 13, 2009 - 13:49 ET by candancenwahs is taking a page right out of Obama's playbook:
Both sides are wrong, but Republicans are double plus wrong!
candance
August 13, 2009 - 17:28 ET by MrShyYes. And you're right, below, that I let b-wards shawn talk me down that debate path and off the topic here. Yeah, that devil/Hitler large-head thing was.... early 2002 !!!!! When Bush was a simple, on-his-heels president -- or so you'd think in hindsight -- who just got attacked by radical Islamic nutjobs and simply went in to Afghanistan and took out the Taliban... a good year before his "highly controversial" Iraq war got under way.
I love how libs NOW tell us, "oh, noooo, I was fine with him until things got really bad in Iraq..." Uh, no, liar (most of them), you hated him for yanking victory from Sir Entitled Gore in 2000, and then the hatred only built to a fever pitch and sustained itself there when he literally occupied the W.H..
He was given, sure, a momentary reprieve around Sept. 11th through, oh say, Sept. 25th, 2001, when we all began to see that, indeed, BushFascistCheneyRummy might have been behind that whole thing... Then that "illegal" war on the poor poppy-growers in Afghanistan. THEN, that "illegal X 100" war in Iraq, taking down a "harmless dictator" who we had "contained", killing "millions of civilians". THEN Katrina.... THEN......
Yes, I'm really rambling in this one. :)
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"OOPS" EDIT: Okay, this clip is from early 2006, my bad. But I was referring to a clip or some news item about protesters doing something equally as bad.... oh, a poster of him with "Wanted, Dead or Alive", with X over Alive, I believe... that WAS early 2002.
Not rambling MrShy.
August 13, 2009 - 20:25 ET by JWFThere was so much crap from the left directed at Bush, what rational soul could keep track of it all?
WRONG
August 13, 2009 - 18:14 ET by nwahsI don't think Republicans are wrong at all. In fact I absolutely love their outline for health insurance reform -especially two points, exclusions and portability.
http://www.gopleader...
Tom Ridge was on Cavuto's show today pointing out, this reform , this Obamacare, is probably going to fail BUT big giant BUT, we need to work for sensible reform in a bipartisan way, encompassing issues like exclusion and portability ( i.e., separate insurance from employer and make it individual based). So don't give me crap that I'm attacking Republicans. I'm attacking Goodwin's law and the imbeciles that behave by it.
If you think I'm an Obama fan, you don't read, you react. You can find no post from me supporting his election or any of his policies.
You'll find this
http://newsbusters.o...
and posts like that. That's reform I want to see.
Your problem is you think I don't support Rush or Beck and you are right! Just because we agree that Obamacare is wrong, doesn't mean I have to attach myself to their tinfoil hat BS or even condone it.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
really?
August 13, 2009 - 13:42 ET by candanceIt can be argued that Rush started the Hitler comparisons, and is the driver of the Hitler comparisons.
Pelosi didn't say Rush Limbaugh brought a swastika. She said retired people and soccer moms were bringing them to town halls.
This goes back to the Axelrod talking point that Rush is in charge of the GOP and thus, by extension, in charge of TEA parties. That's what you really mean here, right nwahs?
She said
August 14, 2009 - 13:55 ET by nwahsShe insinuated the people showing up were "AstroTurf" and they were showing up at town hall meetings with "swastikas and symbols like that. "
At the time there were at least two pictures of people carrying signs with Nazi symbols on them, equating Obama to Hitler. There were many more pictures from the tea parties of signs with Nazi symbols on them. I'm convinced Pelosi could have made that statement on a polygraph test and passed. There were signs with Nazi symbols and people were carrying them to town hall meetings.
Now Rush doesn't like the way she said it or nuanced it. But what she said was true. I don't think you can change what happened just because you don't like someone, and lord knows, I think Pelosi is a nut. But she didn't call anyone a Nazi, and she was stating a fact when she said people were carrying Nazi symbols to town hall meetings. Did she exaggerate it? Of course she did. Thats politics.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
As anyone but an idiot knows (I classify nwahs as an idiot)...
August 13, 2009 - 19:09 ET by jawebster1who listens to Rush, the Swastika stuff was started by "Princess" Pelosi. Pelosi was upset with a drawing of a Swastika that was encircled with a line through it. Anyone with a brain knows that means opposition to the Swastika which means Pelosi has no brains, but we already knew that. (I hold out the possibility that Pelosi is against opposing the Swastika and what it stands for.) Jim Webster
→ I disagree
August 13, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Cool ArrowI disagree with nwahs lots of times, but I've argued with him enough to know he's not an idiot.
Of course, a self-assessment may be in order.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
This post reminds me of the movie, "The Exorcist."
August 13, 2009 - 12:57 ET by BO STINKSNwah's little noggin just spun off into the wild blue yonder. Will he go chasing after it? We can only hope.
"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
Cute :)
August 13, 2009 - 13:31 ET by nwahsNice image :) No, I don't think me commenting yet again is nutty, because this thread is just another iteration of the 17 threads on this subject. My commenting in it is no more unusual than yet another thread on the subject, or the 2,167,891st comment saying the MSM treated Bush differently than they treat Obama.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 13:39 ET by MrShy"the MSM treated Bush differently than they treat Obama."
And you're telling us they didn't? Seriously, is that what you're telling us?
Just a "yes" or "no" on this one, please. My other posts to you, you can return your round of cuteness, no problem.
They did
August 13, 2009 - 16:29 ET by nwahsYes, the media treated Bush much harsher than Obama. What I'm saying is, posting that Rush is in fact perpetuating this Nazi thing is no more redundant than the day to day messages that state the media is harder on conservatives than on liberals. Its true. But is it redundant?
This thread is about the Nazi thing. I felt the author was trying to deflect all responsibility from Rush by portraying it as a complete misrepresentation by the MSM, and its all LaRouche's doing. Well, I'm just posting thats not the case and Glenn Beck and Rush own much of this. The swastikas started showing up at tea parties and were a direct result of Glenn Beck's shows on fascism in America. Glenn Becks comparing environmentalist to the Hitler youth. Glenn Beck comparing the GM takeover to the Nazi creation of Volkswagen.
Now Rush grabbed the ball in the Greta Van Susteren interview, in drawing parallels between Obamacare and fascism and dictatorships.
On Aug 6, he went into full Hitler spin, a theme Glenn Beck has been refining since at least July of 08. Its a two pronged attack, but Beck and Rush own much of it.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I didn't say that you are nutty, nwahs.
August 13, 2009 - 13:42 ET by BO STINKSThe spin you put into defending your messiah is so over-the-top that I just figured eventually your head would fly off. Perhaps if you stop grasping at straws, and DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH!!!!! you could relax. Oooops, okay - am done with you. Feel as if my head is starting to spin.
"...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." G. Washington
Well thats just ridiculous
August 13, 2009 - 16:11 ET by nwahsThe spin you put into defending your messiah is so over-the-top that I just figured eventually your head would fly off.
Out of all the messages I post on this board, you can't find any that I've written that defend or spin for Obama. You can't find any that spin for government run health care. None that favor bail outs. Non that demonize Bush.
I didn't vote for Obama. I don't support socialized medicine or government bailouts. I voted for Bush both times! I voted for McCain.
I think its stupid and extreme to make Third Reich comparisons to American politics and I don't care who is doing it. That doesn't mean I'm spinning for Obama. Thats foolish. You can't find a single post of mine that spins Obama.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Don't dare us.
August 13, 2009 - 20:55 ET by JWFI notice you did not say we can't find any of your numerous ad hominem attacks on Rush Limbaugh. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a post from nwahs denigrating Rush. Just like you can't swing a dead cat without finding a post from JasonC denigrating Ann Coulter. Or Poptech/Palin or goldbar/lies or the new one 24enak/stupid etc. etc. etc.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
And you see
August 13, 2009 - 21:23 ET by nwahsI like Ann Coulter. She is a fast thinker and treads on unfriendly ground. Now SHE can debate. She's also pretty funny.
If I were comparing them to their polar opposites, I would say Rush is like Al Sharpton and Ann Coulter is like Bill Maher. Two distinct levels of intellect there.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 22:45 ET by MrShyHold on, Bill Maher you find a "fast thinker", "can debate", is "pretty funny" ??
THE Bill Maher? THE guy with the (literally) big head but faux-big intellect (and I'm being kind) ???
And no, again, your RDS is off the charts. Al Sharpton is a sc*mb*g. Period. (Although, not stupid... but seriously hasn't a bone in his body that's intended for any good in the world.)
Yup
August 13, 2009 - 22:55 ET by nwahsWell, I don't know about a formal debate no more than I know how Ann Coulter would do in a formal debate. But both do extremely well in informal debates on unfriendly ground, and both are funny.
Rush and Al are one trick ponies, and they need to be in comfortable setting to perform well.
So let us count the ways.
Rush's TV show - boom
Rush's ESPN gig - boom
Has he tried anything else?
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 23:04 ET by MrShyYour comparisons are, well.... baffling, to say the least.
Rush = ........... Al Sharpton ?
* shakes head *
What do you know about debates?
August 13, 2009 - 23:12 ET by JWFYou can't even win an informal debate about Nancy Pelosi and her referring to people at town halls.
PELOSI: I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care.
You cut and run like little dishonest child.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
August 13, 2009 - 23:19 ET by MrShyAnd now he's given us a new one:
Rush is like Al Sharpton Debate
Huh????
Rush, a leading voice for one of the two primary political parties in this country, who tirelessly works on his popular radio show to get the word out on things (Democrat corruption, dangerous liberal ideology, etc.) the MSM doesn't dare to touch -- that right there is a rather noble profession -- is like.... wait for it...... Al Sharpton, a two-bit race hustler who hops on his race-mobile to any incident involving a black and a white, who exploits his own people and sets them BACK in this country by playing up the race- and victimhood-card at every opportunity.
Yeah, identical twins.
Why I agree entirely sir. Thank you for putting it so eloquently
August 13, 2009 - 23:43 ET by JWFSo let us count the ways.
Rush's TV show - boom
Rush's ESPN gig - boom
Has he tried anything else?
Uh, the number one syndicated radio show in the nation for 30 years. So popular they pay him more than the GDP of entire countries. Kiribati. Sao Tome and Principe. Tonga. Domninca.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
August 14, 2009 - 00:32 ET by MrShyI have only one response:
tru dat
Oh, and:
http://www.youtube.c...
whoa. Hang on there scooter.
August 14, 2009 - 00:54 ET by JWFAre you saying I am so bold and brazen here at NB I could were a figurative codpiece and get away with it?
Cuz if you are saying that, well I have one thing to say - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V6T0lJc3dU
Sincerely,
() a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
→ Rush on ESPN
August 13, 2009 - 23:16 ET by Cool ArrowYou thought Rush was factually wrong with his observation that the media was overly influenced by Donovan McNabb's race?
I admit his comment wasn't politically correct, but I thought McNabb was overhyped. I was a Warren Moon and Steve McNair fan. Still the most exciting Super Bowl moment I've ever seen was that one-man tackle at the end of the game, with the receiver stretching for the endzone.
OK, I was an Oilers/Titans fan.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
-->
August 13, 2009 - 23:23 ET by MrShy"OK, I was an Oilers/Titans fan."
A lesson here, people. Always read the "fine print"!
:)
→ True dat
August 13, 2009 - 23:34 ET by Cool ArrowBut I thought Rush's observation about the Media ♥ McNabb was accurate.
It's not like he pulled a Howard Cosell/Alvin Garret moment.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA & JWF
August 13, 2009 - 23:40 ET by MrShyIs there some "true dat" pill that's all the rage now?
:)
And yeah, well, I actually think McNabb is pretty good, but I'll admit I'm not a Philly person, so I don't watch a lot of his games.
Oh so very sorry for the confusion sir but if you don't mind.
August 13, 2009 - 23:46 ET by JWFTo what might you be referring to?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
muffle. snort. snuffle. Ok. True dat. True dat. True dat. Yes I took a pill and now I cannot stop.
→ Yeah, Shy
August 13, 2009 - 23:47 ET by Cool ArrowDon't know where I first read "tru dat", but I'm sure it was here at NB. Made more sense than "word!"
Guess I thought I could do with a little street cred.
I think McNabb is pretty good too, in a "John Kitna" sort of way.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
-->
August 14, 2009 - 00:18 ET by MrShy"I think McNabb is pretty good too, in a "John Kitna" sort of way."
OUCH! "Now that's gotta hurt..."
are you... Hey.... Wait a....
August 13, 2009 - 23:42 ET by JWFNow I had to edit my post a few times so the time is off but I said true dat first mister. Oh Oh Oh Flame on pal. Flame on.
→ Tru dat JWF
August 13, 2009 - 23:50 ET by Cool ArrowI defer to yours being the initial "tru dat"
I think Shy is poking fun of our colloquialisms.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
This one
August 14, 2009 - 09:21 ET by nwahsYea that was a great Superbowl
http://www.youtube.c...
"You want to have a game with 26 seconds to go??"
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
I don't know
August 14, 2009 - 14:15 ET by nwahsYou thought Rush was factually wrong with his observation that the media was overly influenced by Donovan McNabb's race?
I don't know about that. In New Orleans we've had a few black quarterbacks that sucked, and no amount of media hype could keep them around ( remember Aaron Brooks?). McNabb has been with Philidelphia 10 years, been to 5 conference chamionships and a Superbowl, so its hard to ignore the talent factor. Is the media more star struck because he's black?
I don't know, sports media tends to hero worship no matter what the race. I remember toward the end of Archie Manning's career with the Saints. He was throwing side armed percentage passes, but still had a loyal following in the media because of his past as a frachise player. He's white.
IMO Rush's statement was awfully simplistic and he should have proved it by comparing the way the media treated quarterbacks like Manning, Bradshaw, and Namath in their less productive years. Black or white, its hard to turn on your franchise player of many years.
The point I was making is Rush is damn good at radio, but thats about it (i.e., one trick pony).
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
→ nwahs
August 14, 2009 - 14:20 ET by Cool ArrowIf you'll remember, the Eagles made it to the Super Bowl with McNabb missing 10 games, I think.
He returned only to crash and burn in the Super Bowl.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Manning never made it to a Superbowl
August 14, 2009 - 14:29 ET by nwahsManning never made it to a conference championship. Hell Manning never made it to a playoff game as a Saint, and he was, still is, a media darling because he was the Saints first franchise player. He's also a hell of a nice guy who (with Olivia Manning) raised some fine sons, but thats beside the point.
You have to be careful when trying to figure what is responsible for the hero worship of an athlete. Jumping to race is probably a dangerous thing to do, especially when you're talking about a franchise player.
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 13:11 ET by MrShyI'm with candance, above. You're mucking up the topic of this thread.
But I'll bite. Making comparisons to Hitler of any U.S. president is a reach, granted, but you see what Obama is doing vs. what Bush did (or didn't do) as on the same playing field? Obama on so many levels -- in the attempted and/or succeeded takeover of banks, corporations, trying to socialize healthcare, appointing "czars", his people dispatching ACORN and the like to bully protesters, on and on -- is doing things reminiscent of someone literally trying to seize control and force his vision/agenda on to the country and it's people.
Bush in NO WAY was doing anything close to this, making those Hitler comparisons laughable. Get it?
No, I'm on topic
August 13, 2009 - 13:39 ET by nwahsI disagree. I'm on topic so I'm not mucking it up.
But I'll bite. Making comparisons to Hitler of any U.S. president is a
reach, granted, but you see what Obama is doing vs. what Bush did (or
didn't do) as on the same playing field?
I'd say Bush's $700 billion bailout is on the same field. But apart from that, no.
Still no US President, including Obama, is remotely close to Hitler, and anyone who honestly believes that is either brainwashed or has no earthly idea of the evil perpetrated by Hitler.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Actually, Mr. Bush is only
August 13, 2009 - 13:44 ET by black47211Actually, Mr. Bush is only in for 168 billion, signed in April of 2008, brought about by the housing crisis/mortgage fiasco of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, made possible by Jimmy Carter in the late 70's and kept alive by Barney Frank and his joy-boys and then fought against by Mr. Bush in the 00's. (Remember, during the campaigns and McCain and Obama both went back to DC to"fix" it?) Obama and his Congress own the rest. The 700 billion dollar stimulus is all Obama.
However, this is an intrusive comment, so feel free to go tell me to scratch. I will understand.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
dude, no, seriously
August 13, 2009 - 13:46 ET by candanceI can't go along with anyone defending the original bailout because it wasn't as expensive as Obama's. Bush tore down the conceptual firewall. Period.
Not a defense. nwahs said
August 13, 2009 - 13:50 ET by black47211Not a defense. nwahs said that it was Bush's 700 billion dollar bailout, and it wasn't. Mr. Bush signed in 168 billion, true, but not the whopper 787 billion. That was all Obama and Congress.
My comment wasn't made to validate or defend Mr. Bush's spending. It was only to make that distinction.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
not convinced
August 13, 2009 - 13:55 ET by candanceObama's bailout was clearly the offspring of Bush's, and had Bush been in the White House for one more year, or if McCain had won the election, I believe the 2nd bailout would have happened regardless.
nwahs might have left a hair unsplit, but he wins that point all the same.
(Original post deleted
August 13, 2009 - 14:19 ET by black47211(Original post deleted after thinking it over.)
Okay. I thought about it and okay.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
Yes. You did that a lot. Deleting your original posts.
August 13, 2009 - 21:25 ET by JWFYou did it a lot as pelicanmarsh. You did it as dborschjr68. Now you are doing it as black47211.
What gives? I thought you wanted nothing to do with Newsbusters anymore?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
~JWF
August 13, 2009 - 21:42 ET by choselife3xHe's bored, he hasn't gotten a single comment on his fake conservative blog in alllllll these months.
On the flipside, however, there are a few postrs who feel it is their
duty to monitor NewsBusters and act as sacred guardians. These people
were instrumental in getting me banned from the site permanently. (I
still have access to it, but shhhhh, that's a secret...)
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Here's what I don't get,
August 14, 2009 - 11:18 ET by QueenMumHere's what I don't get, cl3. The "evildoer" in question, according to your "investigation", is both helping to recruit right-wing extremists and a lib in disguise. At least that's what I get from it and it doesn't make sense. I don't get why you're so worried about this. Why can't you just stick to debating the issues when someone pops up who seems radical on either side of the aisle? If the member in question is indeed trying to mislead people in order to set people up to look like right wing extremists, why do you feel it's your responsibility to intervene? What are you afraid of? Do you honestly think you're so much smarter than the rest of us? Do you honestly think that N.B. members are so easily led? I for one don't appreciate being told who I should or should not associate with online. So far, I've never had the F.B.I. or A.T.F. knocking at my door. Have you heard from any other N.B.'s that they've been under surveillance? You sometimes appear to be as paranoid as the libs who tried to convince people that G.W. Bush was listening to their phone conversations. We do ourselves no favors when we resort to shutting down the free speech of others out of fear. JMO
However, if this troll-hunting hobby serves to fill up your time and keep your mind sharp, who am I to deny you the opportunity.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
nwahs: I respectfully
August 13, 2009 - 13:58 ET by QueenMumnwahs: I respectfully suggest you do some reading of the history of Germany. If you think some conservatives are simply equating the Hitler of WWII and the Nazi death camps, you're missing the boat. Hitler began with many of the same socialist ideas that Obama professes. Hitler also purposely divided the German people and created demons to blame for all their troubles. That's where the comparison begins. Pay attention to how Obama is trying to manage his message. I don't recall every hearing G.W. Bush talk about the American people the way Obama does. Whenever Bush was asked about those who protested his policies, he responded by saying that in America everyone has a right to speak their mind.
But honestly, it's all "just words" isn't it? ;) And at least for the foreseeable future, we still have a Constitution that says that every four years we elect a new leader and that the President may only serve two terms.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
I don't buy it
August 13, 2009 - 15:03 ET by nwahsI believe Rush can find a model of socialized medicine that doesn't have the stigma of genocide on it. I don't believe for a second the BS "oh we just chose Nazism randomly as a comparison" or "Well you know Sweden, France, Canada, etc. aren't very good comparisons.."
As far as dividing people, we have 7 different kinds of Republicans now. Thanks for that Rush.
But honestly, it's all "just words" isn't it? ;) And at least for the
foreseeable future, we still have a Constitution that says that every
four years we elect a new leader and that the President may only serve
two terms.
That about says it all.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
now you're twisting things, backward shawn
August 13, 2009 - 15:20 ET by candanceThe Hitler comparison that Rush made (just to be clear) is not about government healthcare. These are the comparisons Rush sees:
-charismatic figure appears out of nowhere and gains a sweeping mandate to control the country.
-said charismatic figure runs on a platform of hope and change, often using sick or starving people as props.
-extreme changes are introduced to "fundamentally tranform" society.
-youth are encouraged to get involved because the "cool" politicians can relate to them.
-MSM is completely in the tank and pushes his agenda everywhere.
-a supermajority of power in the government is not enough power to acheive his goals.
-dissenters are cast as angry thugs, and the government blatantly pits neighbors against each other.
-the leader with a supermajority of power is afraid of "mean signs" and is often the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy.
-the government needs watchdogs to protect us from lies, which also pits one neighbor against another.
-when the leader is caught lying and/or cheating his supporters still demand that reform is an emergency so the lies are not important.
-town hallls and "public debates" are highly scripted to favor the "fundamental transformation."
We can argue about whether or not Rush should compare him to Hitler. But either way, the comparison has nothing to do with socialized medicine in Canada.
I would argue that we're
August 13, 2009 - 15:26 ET by balboaI would argue that we're already at the neighbor v. neighbor bit, have been for much longer than Barack has been around.
Town halls have been scripted and "nudged" for quite a while, too.
I think this all amounts to the right not liking what it's seeing, and being afraid that they're going to be powerless to stop it.
we're the ones who are powerless?
August 13, 2009 - 15:32 ET by candanceObama can't even get enough votes with a supermajority, and that's because of organized Republicans. Amazing how just six months ago the GOP was a party in shambles, splintered to pieces, losing members by the dozen and becoming increasingly less and less relevant.
Now they have the power to command armies of independent voters to invade town halls.
As to neighbor vs neighbor, please show us a time when Bush asked his supporters to confront protestors, drown them out, and "punch back twice as hard."
_Afraid_ of being
August 13, 2009 - 15:41 ET by balboa_Afraid_ of being powerless.
As to N v. N, the punch back comment was about legislation, I believe, and I could be wrong, but did Barack tell people to confront protestors and drown them out? Again, I could be wrong.
So you think it's OK for
August 13, 2009 - 16:43 ET by SickofLibsSo you think it's OK for your government to ask people to secretly rat out their neighbors?
You're being very disingenuous. There is evidence out the kazoo that Obama's minions have, and are, been organizing squads to go out and drown out dissenters.
If you are asking if Obama himself is sending out emails under his own signature from his own personal yahoo account... who cares?
balboa: Do you think the
August 13, 2009 - 16:50 ET by QueenMumbalboa: Do you think the DNC may have something to do with the confrontations? If so, are you suggesting that Pres. Obama has no influence on the DNC? If you answer "yes" to the first question and "no" to the second question, you're politically naive. (No offense.)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
I think the DNC has
August 13, 2009 - 21:02 ET by balboaI think the DNC has _something_ to do with the confrontations, but I don't think the right is innocent either.
→ No bal
August 13, 2009 - 18:18 ET by Cool ArrowAll Obama did was claim that doctors want to cut your feet off.
Nothing wrong with that, huh?
Do you believe your doctor would rather cut your foot off than treat it? Do you personally know doctors who do this?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Candace - are you listening?
August 13, 2009 - 18:35 ET by nwahsObama inferring that any doctor would amputate a persons limb for economical reasons is as abhorrent as Rush's comparisons to the Third Reich. Its a disgusting insult to doctors everywhere and he should apologize. That doesn't happen, and its idiotic to pretend its commonplace.
CA - I heard that, and wonder why NewsBusters didn't do an article on it. We could have been on the same side for once!
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
→ Thanks nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 18:38 ET by Cool ArrowIf we can't find common ground on Obama's atrocious characterization of doctors as bloodthirsty and greedy, we would indeed have no common ground.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I mostly agree, nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 22:05 ET by candanceI don't think Obama meant to say that doctors *want* to chop off people's feet. He simply said that no preventative care would lead to that happening.
But in his presser last month, Obama did say doctors pulls out tonsils based on greed.
I think its insulting
August 13, 2009 - 22:15 ET by nwahsI think it insulting to suggests that with more money for prevention, doctors would be less likely to let a foot go black. Thats off base. He should have "calibrated" his words better IMO.
Thats how I took it anyway. I dunno .
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
agreed
August 13, 2009 - 22:20 ET by candanceMost doctors are nice people who do all they can.
Strange how you never hear Democrats say that teachers would pass out sloppy grades or buy dangerous supplies if we don't put more money into education.
Or that welfare recipients abuse the system for their own greed constantly, and reforming this would save us millions.
How convenient that only wealthy (non union) people do bad things out of greed.
Excellent point
August 13, 2009 - 22:34 ET by nwahsIt has to do with class envy.
Teachers are portrayed as heroic underpaid servants. Doctors are portrayed as money grubbing aristocrats. And doctors have no union :)
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
candance
August 13, 2009 - 22:25 ET by MrShyThen I echo Gekko's sentiments....
"Greed is good."
My tonsils taken out at 7 ended my (not sure if they were-) epileptic seizures I kept having.
:)
Yeah, CA, just as there's
August 13, 2009 - 21:02 ET by balboaYeah, CA, just as there's nothing wrong with suggesting that Obama wants "death panels" or that the government will decide how you die. Nothing wrong there...
→ I'm OK with that
August 13, 2009 - 21:11 ET by Cool ArrowSo are they going to take the requirement for "End of life counselling" out of the bill or not?
Sure would be nice to have a Government trained professional coming by to see if your mom's ready to quit being a burden on her son's generation, wouldn't it?
But it's like this. A (now) private citizen, albeit public figure, mentions "Death Panels" and you equate it with THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES calling doctors foot choppers?
Sorry, no comparison.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
AP says yes
August 13, 2009 - 21:13 ET by katainkent"Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly." (link)
Minterpreted or implimented incorrectly? Ya think?
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
→ Thanks, kata
August 13, 2009 - 21:21 ET by Cool ArrowI heard this today, so I guess I now have to confess, I was sorta' setting a trap.
No matter, it's just as effective this way.
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lol sorry
August 13, 2009 - 21:24 ET by katainkentlol sorry
RO... I heard late today
August 13, 2009 - 21:18 ET by bigtimerRO...
I heard late today they are going to take this out of the bill...
Wow, like they won't insert it somewhere else in the thousand plus pages, and those yet to be added after midnight, and then there is always the good ol' conference committees add ons...they stick in what they want at the end if possible.
They truly think all of us out here are dumb, good news is, more and more are paying a heck of a lot of attention now to what the govt. is trying to force down our throats when nobody is looking, they aren't going to keep getting away with all of the blundering plunder...people are waking up all across this land.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
→ Yeah, bt
August 13, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think either one of us could sit-n-blog unless FOX News was going in the background.
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Link for foot chopping
August 13, 2009 - 21:27 ET by balboaLink for foot chopping please.
Here ya go
August 13, 2009 - 21:29 ET by nwahshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG56B2et4M8
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
That video is hardly proof
August 13, 2009 - 21:37 ET by balboaThat video is hardly proof of Obama saying a "doctor would rather cut your foot off than treat it."
OH MY OBAMA !
August 13, 2009 - 21:38 ET by Free StinkerOH MY OBAMA !
→ Free
August 13, 2009 - 21:42 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think he's got a leg to stand on.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool !!
August 13, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Free StinkerThat comment needed a soda alert! ;-)
Almost took out my keyboard.
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August 13, 2009 - 21:48 ET by MrShynwahs should take his (sorry, the patient's) foot out of his mouth after that one.
It is proof.
August 13, 2009 - 21:55 ET by JWFIt is proof that he keeps saying doctors ignore the hippocratic oath.
Barack Obama -- making it up as he goes along
President Obama is fond of claiming that the debate over health care has been hijacked by special interest groups and other bad guys who are deluding the public by providing misinformation. It will be interesting, then, to see how (and if) he responds to this statement by the American College of Surgeons, which accuses Obama of "getting his facts completely wrong" when discussing some of the practices of surgeons:
What I heard was Obama say
August 13, 2009 - 22:02 ET by balboaWhat I heard was Obama say that doctors get reimbursed 50,000 for amputating a foot, as opposed to getting very little for emphasizing diet, exercise, etc., and that he thinks they should get a commensurate reimbursement for emphasizing diet, exercise, etc.
What he did
August 13, 2009 - 22:05 ET by nwahsWas imply doctors need an economic incentive to save a foot. Thats disgusting.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
What I heard was that he
August 13, 2009 - 22:14 ET by balboaWhat I heard was that he thought doctors should get the same kind of reimbursement for a course of action that saves the foot as amputation triggers.
He never said "What do they have to gain from saving a foot?" or "So, why would a doctor save the foot?"
OK, but why?
August 13, 2009 - 22:28 ET by nwahsWhat I heard was that he thought doctors should get the same kind of
reimbursement for a course of action that saves the foot as amputation
triggers.
Why is he saying this then? Does he think doctors are underpaid or does he think doctors need more incentive to save feet? Does he really think doctors are underpaid for telling people not to smoke, exercise, and telling diabetics to diligently monitor their blood sugar? I notice he didn't bring up macular degeneration. There's no amputation there or economic plus. Just blindness. Macular degeneration is an insidious consequence of diabetes, and there is little education about it. Seems if you were talking about the pluses of maintaining diabetes that would be first on the list. Its a sneaky SOB. How much should doctors be paid for warding off macular degeneration? If this is about underpaying doctors, there should be a figure, right?
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
What I heard. What I heard. What I heard.
August 13, 2009 - 22:29 ET by JWFYou think you say that enough, fairies will fly out of our butts and make your statements true?
The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact,...
Yea, we will take the American College of Surgeons over a complete idiot any day. Idiot.
Why don't you repeat it a few more times? What I heard...
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
well his facts were
August 13, 2009 - 22:06 ET by katainkentobviously incorrect.
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
Eat right. Exercise more. Take your medicine on time.
August 13, 2009 - 22:23 ET by JWFAll right. Pay me Pinhead. You are as stupid as Obama is if you believe that needs commensurate reimbursement. Idiot.
Oh, and shut yer yap and people will quit shutting it for you. Thus requiring hospital visits. That advice was free. Idiot.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Excuse me, JWF?
August 14, 2009 - 10:22 ET by balboaExcuse me, JWF?
Are you deef?
August 14, 2009 - 10:50 ET by JWFbalboa: and that he thinks they should get a commensurate reimbursement for emphasizing diet, exercise, etc.
I gave you advice. I want commensurate reimbursement now
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
That's what you call
August 14, 2009 - 10:59 ET by balboaThat's what you call advice?
You are both deef and dense.
August 14, 2009 - 20:06 ET by JWFbalbonehead: as opposed to getting very little for emphasizing diet, exercise, etc., and that he thinks they should get a commensurate reimbursement for emphasizing diet, exercise, etc
You heard it. You repeated it here. What part of diet and exercise above do you not understand? Or is it the commensurate reimbursement?
Hey bonehead. You brought it up. Focus.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
→ Foot Choppers
August 13, 2009 - 21:30 ET by Cool ArrowGives new meaning to "stumping for Obama"
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Cute :)
August 13, 2009 - 21:34 ET by nwahsThats good.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nw... Ya know the saying:
August 13, 2009 - 22:12 ET by bigtimernw...
Ya know the saying: "get up on your good leg!"
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
I brought that up
August 13, 2009 - 18:25 ET by nwahsThe reason I bring that up is, yesterday, a few people in responding defended Rush's parallels to the Third Reich because Nazism was simply German socialism.Well I happen to believe the parallels were brought up not because it was socialism with a charismatic leader, but because it was a murderous regime that inspires revulsion in most sane people.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
→ Thanks nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 18:33 ET by Cool ArrowI thought you'd draw the comparison of eliminating undesirables.
Baby Knauer is glad you didn't bring him up.
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Since I listen to Rush almost every day...
August 13, 2009 - 19:24 ET by jawebster1I know when some Liberal is lying about him. Rush asks which is closer to National Socialism, Liberals or Conservatives. Since Liberals stand for big central government control over the population and Conservatives stand for Freedom, individual responsibility and adherence to the Constitution, the answer is obvious to all but the nwahs of the world. Rush specifically said he was leaving "Genocide" out of the equation, but the Liberals do what Liberals do and ignore that part of it. Jim Webster
Remember when Rush challenged Obama to debate him?
August 13, 2009 - 19:41 ET by nwahsDo you remember when Rush challenged Obama, a sitting United States President, to debate him? I made a post on NewsBusters reminding people other than Rush, the last person to challenge a sitting United States President to a debate ( outside of an election debate) was Ahmadinejad. Thats a fact. A provable objective fact.
http://www.redorbit....
http://www.politico....
For pointing out that fact, I was called a troll. I was called a troll, not because I was posting BS. I was posting FACT. I was called a troll because Ahmadinejad is associated with so much more than challenging Bush to a debate ( e.g., a nut that wants to wipe Israel off the map). And now I call the same foul on Rush for using the Third Reich in the same manner, a regime noted in history for genocide above anything else, above their inventions, their science, and their political system. The Third Reich is known for exterminating people. And you suggest people disregard that in the comparison.
That sir, would be hypocritical. EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 19:33 ET by MrShyNot to change the subject, but allow me to change the subject...
"it was a murderous regime that inspires revulsion in most sane people."
also = 's Iraq.
Apparently, Bush's sane decision to finally remove Saddam separated the sane from the insane of this nations populace.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 19:47 ET by MrShy"I happen to believe the parallels were brought up not because it was socialism with a charismatic leader, but because it was a murderous regime that inspires revulsion in most sane people."
Like Jim W is pointing out, you are trying to fool us into thinking the comparison is of the end result of Germany's Third Reich and the fascism and the, YES, charismatic leader that all lead up to it.
We all know that our civilians have not been murdered. You know it, we know it, Rush knows it. This is all about the striking similarities in the infancy of a changing government and it's seemingly brainwashed masses (a vast amount, at least), in the character of our president, him and his people's policies being pushed on us, etc.. They are red flags, and ones that NEED to be brought to light.
Rush, rightfully, is worried to death that we're even flirting with some of the similarities now, in REALITY... the things HAPPENING around us.
That's all Rush is eluding to. And we all know this, so you're just beating a pointless horse here.
Listen I get it
August 13, 2009 - 19:49 ET by nwahsRush is doing exactly what I was doing when I posted that other than Ahmadinejad, he is the the last person to challenge a sitting President to debate outside of an election. I was drawing a parallel between Rush and Ahmadinejad, not Rush and proponents of debate. The difference here is hypocrisy.Most didn't like the Rush/Ahmadinejad parallel, but they like the Obama/Hitler parallel.
Its juvenile hypocrisy.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 20:03 ET by MrShyI do think you're taking on trollish characteristics with this whole ArmorDinnerJacket/Rush Bush/Obama debate comparison thingy. Sorry.
Let's keep our eye on the prize, shall we?
Yes, we know you see Rush as some evil propagandist and/or peddler of scary, fringe right-wing hate. He's far from any of that, believe us. We're smart here.
That doesn't surprise me
August 13, 2009 - 20:11 ET by nwahsI do think you're taking on trollish characteristics with this whole ArmorDinnerJacket/Rush Bush/Obama debate comparison thingy. Sorry.
That doesn't surprise me. There are not a large number of factions here. You see the trollish nature of the Ahmadinejad/Rush comparison but not the Obama/Hitler comparison. That pretty much sums up my last post. Hypocrisy.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Well said, Mr. Shy. One
August 13, 2009 - 20:10 ET by QueenMumWell said, Mr. Shy. One must look beyond what's generally known about Hitler and delve into the roots of Nazism and how someone like Hitler evolved. Most reasonable people would question how the German people came to trust in Hitler when we look at the result of his ambitions.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 14:05 ET by MrShy"Still no US President, including Obama, is remotely close to Hitler, and anyone who honestly believes that is either brainwashed or has no earthly idea of the evil perpetrated by Hitler."
That's funny, not sure why you bothered to write all that. You must have missed where I wrote:
"Making comparisons to Hitler of any U.S. president is a reach, granted..."
But back to the scorecard (because that's what it is, and it bears being shown as you'll see below) of how Obama is -- no, not "close" -- but YES, way closer than Bush or any president I can think of. Here's what we've established -- and since you did not confront me on any of my items on O, we agree on -- in this thread:
Bush:
$700 billion bailout
Obama:
attempted and/or succeeded takeover of banks
same of corporations
trying to socialize healthcare
appointing "czars"
his people dispatching ACORN and the like to bully protesters
*NEW ADDITION*: bailouts far exceeding $700 billion when totaled, and who knows how much by the end of one term
Who's closer to Hitler as a president? Just closer, for sake of argument here, that's all I'm asking. "Bush" or "Obama". Again, I ask that you answer with one of the two names, thanks.
dude! seriously!
August 13, 2009 - 14:29 ET by candanceThe bailout that Bush signed was designed to take over banks. Obama did not invent that idea! Remember all that talk about Hank Paulson threatening bank executives? That happened last summer in the original bailout.
But aside from that, this segment where CNN compared Bush to Hilter was done before any of the bailouts. And this thread is SUPPOSED to be about how the MSM treats Hitler comparisons whether or not they are justified.
nwahs has successfully turned this thread into exactly what he wants to talk about.
Re Bailout
August 13, 2009 - 19:18 ET by slickwillie2001Agreed, but the Bamster did vote for the bailout as the Senator from Illinois. Just going by my memory, President George W. Bush also reserved $350B of the 2008 $700B bailout for the Bamster to use when he started in January. The Bamster could have simply returned that money to the treasury if he didn't want to spend it.
The later $787B stimulus is entirely the Bamster's doing.
You Know nwahs you keep
August 13, 2009 - 13:43 ET by Airforce_5_Oreminding me of the old Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch:
'"E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!! "
GET OVER THE BDS!!!! PLEASE!
Liberalism: The huanting feeling that someone, somewhere, can help themselves.
Hey AirForce: Did you mean
August 13, 2009 - 14:01 ET by QueenMumHey AirForce: Did you mean to post your comment on the Hugo Chavez topic? It does fit.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
ohhh
August 13, 2009 - 19:45 ET by katainkentthat poor dead horse...
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"The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" - HR 3200 (Health Care Bill) Pg. 203. Ln 14 & 15
So what?
August 14, 2009 - 08:53 ET by mattmIf the swastika fits.....
The Republican platform is based on freedom, whereas the Dem platform is based on powerful centralized government. I don't see why anyone should backtrack about Nazi/Dem comparisons.
Pelosi is referring to citizens participating in democracy as Nazis. Limbaugh is comparing the authoritarianism of a government-run healthcare system to nazism. It's obvious who's wrong here.
Yeah, yeah, Hitler, double standard, yadda
August 13, 2009 - 12:16 ET by StarAZThe press hates Republicans, loves this pres, thinks old people are dupes and Nazis--and now Gail Collins at the NYT is just sorta raising the subject of people who bring firearms to these town halls--legally as it turns out...But why spoil the innuendo fun? The NYT has taken to closing comments before we get up out West--hey, they used to call a gun a Peacemaker, Gail--not that anyone in AZ would tote one in this heat, even though we can.
August 13, 2009 - 13:21 ET by jessieHYea, and if I call obama a porch monkey, all would break loose. It's a double standard.
What double standard??
August 13, 2009 - 13:23 ET by Prester JohnBush was Hitler don't you know.
He didn't liberate countries, he went to war over oil.
He cancelled elections, declared himself president for life, and had the military swear its personal allegiance to him.
Oh, wait, he didn't?
Never mind.
I have to admit Obama is
August 13, 2009 - 13:26 ET by Jack BauerI have to admit Obama is a way cooler looking Hitler than Bush. Can't we all agree on that?
People recognize the double
August 13, 2009 - 15:09 ET by nadadhimmiPeople recognize the double standard of the libtards and have lost patience with them. They see the same intransigence in their small children and are amazed that so called adults are so emotionally immature. It is a basic unfairness that is not playing well with them. People feel dirty when they are exposed to such "homerism". They are coming to the conclusion that Obama is a gutter rat. They are right.
The left is so stark raving
August 13, 2009 - 18:46 ET by wiwfThe left is so stark raving mad that we're giving them a taste of their own medicine
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
The sad part is, most young
August 13, 2009 - 21:53 ET by nadadhimmiThe sad part is, most young people will not even recognize the Orwell quote from his great book "Animal Farm". Teachers Unions and leftist school systems all over the country have stopped teaching Orwell. Seems he hits to close to their collectivist hearts, so the greatest literary satirist of the 20th century has been suppresed; just like in his books.
Blatent
August 14, 2009 - 03:26 ET by NorthCoasterIt should be obvious to anyone watching this story unfold, that the Left allows anything to occur when it promotes their agenda. The Bush-Hitler denigration and other vicious attacks on President Bush are so much worse, than what the critics are doing against Healthcare reform. The Left is just continuing its Meme and again vilifying the Right, only this time it's the People instead of the leader.