
On Friday’s "Good Morning America," token conservative reporter John Stossel told portly filmmaker Michael Moore, "Forgive me. More of us look like you" and that obesity explains why Canadians live longer than Americans, not universal health care. Stossel appeared on the morning show to promote his program debunking the myth of "free," government-run health care. His "20/20" special, which will air September 14 on ABC, includes a quarrel with the left-wing director.
Stossel’s appearance on GMA, and his conservative take, also strongly contrasts with the morning show’s own coverage of government controlled health care. In June, Moore appeared on the program to promote "Sicko," his movie bashing the United States system of private care. Back then, GMA co-host Chris Cuomo mildly questioned the filmmaker’s trip to Cuba to lavish praise on the communist country’s health system. After the director noisily objected to this offense, Cuomo backed down, saying, "Look, I like the stunt."
Another example that demonstrates the difference between Stossel’s take and the usual liberal spin provided by "Good Morning America" is the case of Karen Jepp. The "20/20" host explained, "Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month, she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies." And yet, as noted on NewsBusters, GMA covered this exact story in August and the show's hosts never managed to explain why the Canadian hospitals were too crowded.
ABC and "20/20" should certainly be applauded for airing a non-liberal take on universal health care. In the special, Stossel will make points rarely heard on network television, such as noting that Canadians wait an average of 17 weeks for treatment, that one town in that country has "a lottery just to get an appointment with a family doctor." However, it would also be nice if John Stossel wasn’t such a lonely voice in providing a different perspective on this (and other subjects).
Perhaps conservatives shouldn’t be too optimistic about such a change. On Friday, Cuomo teased the contrarian segment by wondering, "Is free health care really the best health care?" As John Stossel will demonstrate on Friday night, calling it "free" health care, doesn’t make it so.
Stossel’s "20/20" special will air on ABC at 10pm on Friday, September 14.
A transcript of the September 14 segment, which aired at 8:43am, follows:
Chris Cuomo: "Now, when we come back, this is a very interesting question for us to look at. This doctor, when you go to see your doctor, what can happen in a country with free health care other than everyone being frozen in time. Like what you’re seeing right now. [Footage of people waiting in long lines to see a doctor.] Why are these people waiting in line? Is free health care really the best health care?"
8:43am
ABC Graphic: "Does Free Health Care Really Work? John Stossel Investigates"
Diane Sawyer: "As we know, it's one of the single most important decisions Americans have to make: What should the health care in this country be? Can it be made better? Is government health care the answer? ‘20/20's’ John Stossel has been asking that question and a lot more in tonight’s special hour ‘Whose Body is it Anyway? Sick in America.’ John looked at other countries' health care systems to see if they have better ideas. And he’s here to tell us some of what he found. John?"
John Stossel: "And a lot of Americans say government care is the answer, that health care in countries like France, Germany, Britain, Canada is great because it's free. Government pays and no one has to worry because free is great, right? But not so fast. It's why the British National Health Service made news by promising it would reduce wait times for hospital care to fewer than 18 weeks. But that's still more than four months. [Video of people waiting in line.] These people are waiting for a dentist appointment. Waits are so long, some people do it themselves. [Picture of a man with a missing tooth.] He used super glue. People pull their own teeth. Dental tools? Pliers and vodka. Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies."
David Gratzer (author, "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care"): "People line up for care. Some of them die. That's what happens."
Stossel: "Canadian doctor David Gratzer, author of "The Cure," thought the Canadian system was great until he started treating patients."
Gratzer: "The more time I spent in the Canadian system, the more time I came across people waiting for radiation therapy, waiting for the knee replacement so they could finally walk up to the second floor of their house."
Stossel: "People wait in line?"
Gratzer: "You want to see your neurologist because of your stress headache? No problem. You just have to wait six months. You want an MRI? No problem! Free as the air! You just got to wait six months."
Stossel: "But fans of Canada's system, like Michael Moore, point to the fact that Canadians live longer. Isn't that proof that the Canadian system is better, even if they have to wait in line?"
Michael Moore: "That's the line where they live three years longer than we do. That's the line I want to be in."
Stossel: "But Canadians live longer because of things unrelated to health care. Americans are three times as likely to die in car accidents and ten times as likely to be murdered. Take those factors into account, not to mention obesity, and Americans live longer than Canadians. In America, we kill each other more often. We shoot each other. We have more car accidents. Forgive me. More of us look like you."
Moore: "Me, yeah."
Stossel: "That's the reason they're living longer in Canada."
Moore: "I will say, in part, it's because they never have to worry about paying to go see the doctor."
Stossel: "They may not worry about paying to see a doctor, but they do have to wait on average 17 weeks to see a specialist. We found one town in Canada where they have a lottery just to get an appointment with a family doctor. But you can be seen within 24 hours if you meow or woof, because if you're a dog or cat, vet care is privately run."
Sawyer: "Privately run. All right. It is so hard to get perspective on this! Thank heaven you’re doing it. And it is tonight you can see all of it. ‘Whose body is it anyway? Sick in America,’ a special edition of ABC's ‘20/20' tonight at 10:00, 9:00 central. Good to see you, John."
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.




















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Not to put a too fine point
September 14, 2007 - 12:52 ET by greenfairieNot to put a too fine point on things, but Stossel is actually a libertarian. In any case, I've long been a fan of his pro-free market, anti-fear mongering, anti-nanny state, b.s.-busting reports for years. He's a lone voice of sanity in the wilderness of network t.v.. It's nothing less than a miracle this guy still has a career.
Not To Worry
September 14, 2007 - 16:43 ET by NoMoreClintonsIt's nothing less than a miracle this guy still has a career.
Fox would probably love to have Stossel . . . now if they could only get rid of that worthless Sheppard Smith first. Jerry Rivers too.
Looking forward to this.
September 14, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Dave in TexasI missed last week's Cuba report, but I've got the DVR set for this program tonight.
"Now, when we come back, this is a very interesting question for us to look at."
Yeah, right Chris. I'm sure Good Morning America will just be saturated with segments that take an honest look at government run health care in other countries in the future. And I'm sure you'll be using John's special to formulate a list of tough questions for Hillary, John, and Barack next time you have them on your show.
But you can be seen
September 14, 2007 - 12:58 ET by dmntd1Maybe THIS is why Michael Moore is still alive.
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
Go Stossell
September 14, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Dee BunkI'm going to have to have my husband tape it. It's about time someone mentioned that the U.S. obesity rate is the problem. Even people who are not obese don't eat as healthy here as in many other countries.
Just wait - the libs are going to want the government to mandate what we eat now. They just don't understand that with freedom comes responsibility. Personal responsibility.
Socialized medicine is just
September 14, 2007 - 13:14 ET by dvdaughtrySocialized medicine is just one of the first steps to separate us into Alphas, Betas, etc.
Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies.
Canada's health care is so superior, she came to America to have her kids.
Mexcians pack themselves like sardines and Cubans risk shark infested waters just to cross our border.
The proof is in the pudding, Mr. Moore. I would offer you another helping, but that seems to be the only thing you won't throw down your gullett.
Well, for once, the rich white man is in control. --Montgomery Burns
Its not just obesity, there
September 14, 2007 - 13:23 ET by taznarIts not just obesity, there are a lot of "lifestyle" issues involved.
Here's my wild prediction -"free", universal health care will drive healthcare spending even higher. Because suddenly, nobody needs to worry about taking financial responsibility for their own health. Everyone will feel entitled to consume as much "healthcare" as they possibly can.
People don't choose to eat moderately when there's a free, all you can eat buffet available. The only rate limiting factor in consumption is how fast you can cook the food.
CSPI
September 14, 2007 - 13:49 ET by sixlbs9ozThe Orwellian name of the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) is one of the biggest food nannies there is. They would definitely like Big Gubment to tell you what you should and shouldn't eat. You might as well move to India if they have their way (which they probably won't..). I mean, vegan, "cruelty-free", no trans fats, you name it.
Funny story-- the head of the CSPI removed the coffee maker from their office, and there was a minor employee revolt. He put it back.
Let's hope we don't have Da Gubment tell us how to eat, care for our bodies, etc. Like if John Edwards gets elected, cf. his promise that health checkups would be mandatory.
Under a socialized medical
September 14, 2007 - 13:54 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveUnder a socialized medical system the government can make all types of requirements or limitations.
For example the UK recently mandated that smokers will be denied surgery if they don't quit smoking. I am not a smoker, and I don't think people should smoke. However, I think it is an individual's choice whether they will smoke or not, government has no business telling us what the "right" choice is. I would think that any taxpayer under a socialized medical system must be entitled to healthcare regardless of their unhealthy lifestyle by reason that they are paying their taxes just like everyone else.
The dangers I see with socialized medicine go beyond government control over smoking, unhealthy eating, alcoholism, etc. The government could conceivably put limitations on the number of children one may have, and deny anyone healthcare that exceeds the mandated number--or worse--like mandated abortions.
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
Mean Gene - just smokers?
September 14, 2007 - 14:32 ET by Dee BunkHow frightening. Do they deny alcoholics, drug users and thrill seekers also? Man if we did that alone our costs would go way down too.
I'm with you on the dangers. When it gets too expensive, they have no choice but to take drastic measures. There are winners and losers in any government program and the losers are usually the middle class. The rich will always be able to purchase favoritism.
Just smokers, for now, as
September 14, 2007 - 14:45 ET by motherbeltJust smokers, for now, as far as I know. In another thread, I proposed that government might eventually, along that line, forbid knee or hip replacement surgery unless someone loses weight.
I just thought of another one: no treatment for car crash injuries if you weren't wearing a seat belt? Who knows where they would stop?
Or no knee surgery if you
September 14, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveOr no knee surgery if you are a basketball/football/rugby/cricket player.
I can't even imagine what the dental regulations would be. Well what do you know! Sucks to be a limey!
It could get really out of hand.
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
Euthanasia
September 15, 2007 - 20:56 ET by UnsaneEver wonder why euthanasia is permitted in the Netherlands?
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I think the private sector
September 14, 2007 - 15:29 ET by dscottI think the private sector method is better, on an individual plan (not employer sponsored) if you smoke you pay a higher premium to offset the added health care that the behavior entails. I will definitely oppose any notion of the State or it's functionary from dictating my lifestyle. All choices have consequences, if you engage in risky behavior, it should be on your dime, not mine.
Nothing is for free even Universal Health Care, as the People of Taxachuetts are finding out. The Dems are just pandering to the greed in people, something for nothing is just a euphemism for stealing from other people. The point of health insurance is not to be bankrupted by a medical procedure or illness, that doesn't mean it should pay every penny for your doctor visit otherwise a person stops making reasonable decisions about when it is appropriate to go, it's called rationing, either the individual does it, the HMO does it or the State does it. When the State rations health care people die because it doesn't care about individuals just groups and the money available. When HMO's ration health care it does so based on effecacy of treatment. When I ration it, it's based on how I value the condition according to my standards not anyone elses.
dscott's postulate: The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.
Gov't Health Care
September 14, 2007 - 14:05 ET by Mike From CanmoreAs a Canadian, I an inside view of the "universal" health care we have. I strongly recommend you fight any sort of form of gov't institutional health care. As it is, if we're truly desperate, the gov't insurance pays for us to get care south of the border. (The process is a whole other story). If the US goes to gov't run, we'd end up having to line up down there too.
The only reason people argue for gov't owned and operated health care up here is because (1) they are igorant of the benefits of a competitive market or (2) they want to protect excessively high union wages for jobs such as dishwasher, janitor, etc. (3) they are truly daft and think it's free.
I'm actually a believer in universality of access to a degree. It has to be done on a competitive basis. Gov'ts should be a last resort insurance source based on a means. People should be able to buy short term insurance from the gov't in the event of sudden unemployment. People can buy their own catastrophic insurance. It's not expensive.
Hillary and company only want gov't controlled so they can provide gov't inflated pay for a certain segment of the population. That segment recognizes if the republicans get in, they will remove those inflated wages and hence vote democrat.
Recognize some of the problems you have but believe you me, don't allow congress to enact a gov't run system. It is just a path to mediocrity.
An aside: If you want a really good view on Michael Moore, rent the movie, "Manufacturing Dissent". It is a documentary by a couple of self admitted lefty Canadians who started out trying to a documentary on somebody they admired. They soon found out how he lied and manipulated for marketing reasons. Their views on him were certainly changed by the end of the film. I had my doubts about the movie but loved it at the end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Dissent
Cheers
*Argue for your limitations and sure enough you will achieve them.
Universal ????
September 14, 2007 - 15:19 ET by River CityMike:
You make some great points.
Many Americans don't realize we have universal access. Our EMTALA law requires every emergency room and trauma center to treat anyone (legal, illegal, insured, uninsured) who presents themselves and requests treatment. The same law also applies to some government sponsored clinics.
We also confuse health care with health insurance. They are not the same. Because we have universal access guaranteed to us by law all of us have health care. Most of us have health insurance, even if it is through Medicare, Medicaid and SCHIP.
The democrats are doing their best to keep people confused and uninformed because they want the government in control of health care.
I know a person with wonderful insurance (postal worker) who would rather sit in the emergency room and wait to be seen by a doctor there than make an appointment to see his own personal physician for a same day appointment. The only reason I can think of is because his insurance doesn't penalize him for using the emergency room as a doctor's office like some plans do. He says he can go the ER when he feels like it, 8 pm or 9 am. The office he has to go when they want him there. I once had an insurance plan that penalized you $150 if you went to the ER to get treated for something that was not an emergency. Another plan I was on wouldn't pay the claim at all unless it was coded emergent.
Employers need to tighten up the waste in their plans but hesitate to do anything that gives the appearance of taking away benefits. The government is the worst offender because of its powerful unions.
“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.” Ronald Reagan
EMTALA
September 14, 2007 - 15:36 ET by Mike From CanmoreRiver:
Thanks, you just answered a question I've always wondered about. My sister use to be a nurse in Mich and now in L.A., (she's a warm weather hound). She told me how they weren't allowed to turn anybody away whether or not they had insurance. I always wondered whether this was a state or national law. You've answered my question. Shame on me for not asking before mind you. Thanks again.
You're right on the money with tightening up the waste. It's something the insurance companies are looking at doing. I have a buddy who is starting up a consulting company. His brother is a doctor and they have re-worked some processes to make the patient management process more significantly more efficient. They are both Canadian and are based out of Canada. Provincial gov't. Apparently they need to study it more. US insurance companies . . . All over it.
Thanks again.
Argue for your limitations and sure enough you will achieve them.
Sorry, but none of this
September 14, 2007 - 15:26 ET by mandrakeSorry, but none of this story makes any sense to me.
1) What exactly is the name of this town where you have wait an average of 17 weeks for a doctors appointment? And why would anyone still live there?
2) This story about the multiple births? All my children were born at Womens College Hosipital in Toronto, an excellent facility. Yes you have to book well in advance..but it's not like you don't know! You are pregnant for 9 months or something right?
To answer your second
September 14, 2007 - 15:31 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveTo answer your second question:
Quadruplets. 4 at one time. Multiple births are almost without exception underweight at a minimum, and many of those babies have additional complications that need to be in neo-natal units for at least a few days.
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
lancasters saved us
September 14, 2007 - 16:05 ET by Lancasters Saved UsI live in a nice part of Toronto. If I want to see my doctor for a physical I have to book 6 months in advance. If something comes up that gets in the way of this appointment....like work, being sick, whatever, I might wait another 6 for the next one. Many , many Canadians (millions) have no family physician. They can only go to a walk in clinic. If you need a knee replacement due to chronic arthrytis, you could be on a 3 year list in some parts of the Country. Learn to live with the pain. Just today, it was reported that prominent Canadian politcian (Belinda Stronach) went to a US clinic for her Breast Cancer surgery. She is one of the richest women in the world, heir to the Magna auto parts fortune. I am sure when she was a sitting cabinet member, she would have argued how great our system is. Reality has a way of telling you what is true. If you are in a car wreck, well connected, in the right place at the right time, we have a wonderful system. If you are a Schmo from Flin Flon Manitoba, and you have a bad headache you can't explain,might not be so good. Those with money head south when they have to.
Wow. Flin Flon,
September 14, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveWow. Flin Flon, Manitoba is actually a real place! Kind of like Knob Noster, Missouri.
You learn something new every day (if ou don't fight it).
"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps
Hey, I have BEEN to Flin
September 14, 2007 - 16:24 ET by BDHey, I have BEEN to Flin Flon. Sorta reminds you of what it was like in the western US eighty years ago. Very remote and insular.
I liked it.
Flin Flon
September 14, 2007 - 16:36 ET by Mike From CanmoreBD:
You obviously weren't there in January. Try that and see how much you like it.
Argue for your limitations and sure enough you will achieve them.
FLIN FLON LEGEND...
September 17, 2007 - 07:31 ET by danybhoyFlon Flon does has one person of note, former Philadelphia Flyers hockey great Bobby Clark. But he sucks as a general manager though.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
When i go home to North
September 14, 2007 - 16:28 ET by BDWhen i go home to North Dakota and stop for lunch at the restaurant near our hospital I always note that most of the customers are Canadians who have travelled from Winnipeg to the nearest quality US hospital to get their needs fulfilled.
I have seen the Canadian health care system in action when I took one our hockey players to a hospital for stitches. The job was workmanlike (Canadians are VERY used to facial stitches from flying pucks) but the wait was extensive for simple work.
ANd .. .
September 14, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Mike From CanmoreOur politicians have a health care plan which takes them to private clinics. By pass the public system completely.
*Argue for your limitations and sure enough you will achieve them.
Well now you're just
September 14, 2007 - 19:44 ET by mandrakeWell now you're just depressing me. Maybe I've just been lucky with our family doctor. He's very aggresive with specialists.."well if he won't do it, I'll find someone who will!"
What's depressing is that he's in his late 60's now... I guess all good things must come to an end someday.
BTW..I'm a Beacher...that's a Taranna term :)
On Canada
September 15, 2007 - 05:25 ET by UnsaneMike, it's good to see some Canadian representation here...I'm a proud Texas native, but I have been to Canada a number of times and have always enjoyed my visits there.
There is a medical firm/hospital here in Houston called MD Anderson. Did you know that it, alone (and Houston has a massive medical center just south of downtown) spends more on medical research than ALL of Canada???
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
However, it would also be
September 14, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Chris NormanHowever, it would also be nice if John Stossel wasn’t such a lonely voice in providing a different perspective on this (and other subjects).
On 20/20, Barbara Walters used to treat Stossel like he was a freak of nature. She'd treat his stories with incredulousness to the point of openly debating him regarding his conclusions - when have you ever seen that happen with any liberal reporter?
I remember that!!!
September 14, 2007 - 14:11 ET by mostlymoderateI remember that!!!
The thing people never bring
September 14, 2007 - 14:10 ET by mostlymoderateThe thing people never bring up is that a lot of these countries that have universal health care have EXTREMELY strict immigration policies. There is NO WAY that the United States could have universal health care bcause of the flood of migrants from Mexico. The only people that would benefit from universal healthcare are the illegals from Mexico that would pop out 7 anchor babies on U.S. soil and would thus be qualified for universal healthcare. Think about it. You and me would still be screwed; we would have to work our arses off to support other people that produce next to nothing.
Immigration and Europe
September 15, 2007 - 05:28 ET by UnsaneStrict immigration policies?
Actually, the Europeans are encouraging (legal) immigration in large part because they desperately need their tax revenue to pay for their Nanny States. And, they have their hands full fighting illegal immigration from all kinds of sources.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
mostly wrong, I'm afraid
September 15, 2007 - 05:57 ET by Jack Bauermostly..
You're kidding, right? That's a factually incorrect statement.
Just for starters, I believe something like 90% of the the UK healthcare budget for AIDs is taken by illegal immigrants from Africa who have flooded there over the past decade.
And only today it is reported in the UK's Daily Mail that the unelected EU bueeaucracy is trying to enable 10 MILLION from the African continent to...
The "20/20" host explained,
September 14, 2007 - 15:31 ET by drillanwrThe "20/20" host explained, "Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month, she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies."
Oh, great! Now Canadian "anchor babies" ... ??!!?
What is it with Canadians and multiple births? How fertile are yunz up there?
It's why the British
September 14, 2007 - 19:14 ET by Jack BauerThat's just half the story. Even those "reduced" figures are bogus.
This an absolute fact...
There's a waiting list to get on the actual waiting list. So the hospitals can produce fake but "accurate" figures which supposedly show waiting times shortening to a mere 4 months.
So the Labor/socialist government can crow about how it (the government) is fulfilling it's election promises to reduce waiting times.
And the thought that maybe it isn't actually the job of the government to be running healthcare doesn't occur to socialists, or (unfortunately) the pathetic conservative opposition.
But then... it's all FREE, see. Grows on trees does healthcare.
Sicko Resources
September 15, 2007 - 08:24 ET by PopularTechVideos:
Dead Meat [25min] (Video)
"Dead
Meat is a 25 minute short film which shows the reality of health care
under Canada's socialized medical system: Canadians wait ... and wait
... and wait. ... And sometimes they die while waiting for free
government health care."
Uninsured in America [9min] (Video)
"Uninsured
in America examines the conventional wisdom that 45 million Americans
cannot get health insurance and consequently do not have access to
health care."
20/20: Sick in America [5min] (Video)
Hannity confronts Michael Moore views and his Movie "Sicko" [6min] (Video)
CNN: Dr. Gupta Smacks Down Michael Moore's SICKO [4min] (Video)
Michael Moore Mocks Indian Anchor’s Name During On-Air Tirade Against CNN (Video)
Dr. Gupta and Moore on Larry King (Video)
Resources:
Cuba: What a Great Place to Visit! Never Mind the Dictatorship (Business & Media Institute)
Does negative press make you Sicko? (Google)
Enough Gushing over Moore to Make You 'Sicko' (Business & Media Institute)
Forgotten? Michael Moore's Invested in Pharmaceuticals and Healthcare (NewsBusters)
QUOTE
[Moore's]
IRS forms make for interesting reading. Over the past five years,
Moore's "savings account" has included such evil pharmaceutical and
medical companies as Pfizer, Merck, Genzyme, Elan PLC, Eli Lilly,
Becton Dickinson, and Boston Scientific. "Being screwed by your HMO and
ill-served by pharmaceutical companies is a shared American
experience," he recently told the Detroit News ... He may savage HMOs
in his film Sicko, but he has also owned shares of Pharmacia
Corporation and Tenet Healthcare. He may have liked their
price-to-earnings ratio.
Health Care Lie: '47 Million Uninsured Americans' (Business & Media Institute)
Health Care in Cuba: Myth Versus Reality (The Cuban American National Foundation)
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of 'Free' Health Care (Business & Media Institute)
Michael Moore and the 'World of We' (RealClearPolitics)
Michael Moore Checks Into Weight Loss Center
QUOTE
Maverick
filmmaker Michael Moore has enrolled in a crash course at a
$3,800-a-week center known as a "fat farm for the rich" in a bid to
lose weight.
Michael Moore Fact Sheet (Business & Media Institute)
Michael Moore Goes Sicko on Health Care Reform (Cato Institute)
Moore's one-sided view tells some truths (USA Today)
Moore's Sick Rx (Cato Institute)
QUOTE (Cato)
While overly critical of U.S. health care, Moore overlooks the flaws of national health-care systems. He
suggests, for example, that Canada's waiting lists are mere
inconveniences, interviewing apparently healthy Canadians who claim
they have no problem getting care. Yet nearly 800,000 Canadians aren't
so lucky. The Canadian Supreme Court has pointed out that many
Canadians waiting for treatment suffer chronic pain and, "Patients die
while on the waiting list."
Similarly, Moore shows happy Britons who don't have to pay for their prescription drugs. But
he didn't talk to any of the 850,000 Britons waiting for admission to
National Health Service hospitals. Every year, shortages force the NHS
to cancel as many as 50,000 operations. Roughly 40 percent of cancer
patients never get to see an oncology specialist. Delays in getting
treatment are often so long that nearly 20 percent of colon-cancer
cases considered treatable when first diagnosed are incurable by the
time treatment is finally offered. Perhaps Moore could have talked to some of these folks?
Visiting
France, Moore waxes ecstatic about the government's willingness to pay
for nannies to help care for newborns. He apparently doesn't notice
that the taxes necessary to pay for such a system have given France one
of the lowest rates of economic growth in Europe or that many of the
country's best and brightest are fleeing.
Moore also slides
over the facts when he implies that the French system is "free." It's
funded through a 13.55 percent payroll tax, a 5.25 percent income tax
and other taxes on tobacco, alcohol and drug-company revenues. And the
system is still running a $15.6 billion deficit.
And French
patients still have to pay high copayments and other out-of-pocket
expenses, and physicians can bill patients for charges over and above
what the government reimburses. As a result, 92 percent of French
citizens have private health insurance to complement the government
system. Yet there remain shortages of modern health-care technology and
a lack of access to the most advanced care.
Re-examining the Cuban Health Care System: Towards a Qualitative Critique (PDF)
Review: 'SiCKO' Doesn't Offer Cure-All for Health Care (Business & Media Institute)
QUOTE
And even though he depicts them as greedy and selfish, Moore doesn’t
tell you that one of his biggest targets in the industry – Kaiser
Permanente (not only in “SiCKO,” but also in “The Big One”) – is that
it is a nonprofit organization.
‘Sicko,’ Castro and the ‘120 Years Club’ (The New York Times)
QUOTE (The New York Times)
Until
he had to have emergency surgery last year, Fidel Castro — who turned
80 this year — was considered a model of vibrant long life in Cuba. But
it was only last week that he acknowledged in an open letter that his
initial surgery by Cuban doctors had been botched. He did not confirm,
however, that a specialist had been flown in from Spain last December
to help set things right.
'Sicko': Heavily Doctored, By Kurt Loder (MTV)
"Sicko" Presents False View of Cuba's Health System
SiCKO patients got VIP treatment in Cuba (Reuters)
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HAVANA
(Reuters) - Three New York rescue workers injured in the September 11
attacks got the best treatment Cuba can offer in Michael Moore's film
critique of U.S. health care, the Cuban doctors who attended them said
this week.
The 9/11 responders spent 10 days on the 19th
floor of Cuba's flagship hospital with a view of the Caribbean sea, a
sharp contrast to many Cuban hospitals that are crumbling, badly lit,
and which lack equipment and medicines...
...But the hospital where SiCKO's patients were treated is an exception in Cuba, where patients of many other hospitals complain they have to take their own sheets and food.
The
building with a majestic high-ceiling lobby was meant to be Cuba's
central bank when it was started by U.S.-backed dictator Fulgencio
Batista. Completed years after Castro's revolution, it was turned into
Cuba's top hospital...
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The Myth of Cuban Health Care (National Review)
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SEPARATE AND UNEQUAL
To
be sure, there is excellent health care on Cuba — just not for ordinary
Cubans. Dr. Jaime Suchlicki of the University of Miami’s Institute for
Cuban and Cuban-American Studies explains that there is not just one
system, or even two: There are three. The first is for foreigners
who come to Cuba specifically for medical care. This is known as
“medical tourism.” The tourists pay in hard currency, which provides
oxygen to the regime. And the facilities in which they are treated are First World: clean, well supplied, state-of-the-art.
The
foreigners-only facilities do a big business in what you might call
vanity treatments: Botox, liposuction, and breast implants. Remember,
too, that there are many separate, or segregated, facilities on Cuba.
People speak of “tourism apartheid.” For example, there are separate
hotels, separate beaches, separate restaurants — separate everything.
As you can well imagine, this causes widespread resentment in the
general population.
The second health-care system is for Cuban
elites — the Party, the military, official artists and writers, and so
on. In the Soviet Union, these people were called the “nomenklatura.”
And their system, like the one for medical tourists, is top-notch.
Then
there is the real Cuban system, the one that ordinary people must use —
and it is wretched. Testimony and documentation on the subject are
vast. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling. Conditions are so
unsanitary, patients may be better off at home, whatever home is. If
they do have to go to the hospital, they must bring their own
bedsheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs — even toilet paper. And
basic medications are scarce. In Sicko, even sophisticated medications
are plentiful and cheap. In the real Cuba, finding an aspirin can be a
chore. And an antibiotic will fetch a fortune on the black market.
A
nurse spoke to Isabel Vincent of Canada’s National Post. “We have
nothing,” said the nurse. “I haven’t seen aspirin in a Cuban store here
for more than a year. If you have any pills in your purse, I’ll take
them. Even if they have passed their expiry date.”
The equipment
that doctors have to work with is either antiquated or nonexistent.
Doctors have been known to reuse latex gloves — there is no choice.
When they travel to the island, on errands of mercy, American doctors
make sure to take as much equipment and as many supplies as they can
carry. One told the Associated Press, “The [Cuban] doctors are pretty
well trained, but they have nothing to work with. It’s like operating
with knives and spoons.”
And doctors are not necessarily
privileged citizens in Cuba. A doctor in exile told the Miami Herald
that, in 2003, he earned what most doctors did: 575 pesos a month, or
about 25 dollars. He had to sell pork out of his home to get by. And
the chief of medical services for the whole of the Cuban military had
to rent out his car as a taxi on weekends. “Everyone tries to survive,”
he explained. (Of course, you can call a Cuban with a car privileged,
whatever he does with it.)
So deplorable is the state of health
care in Cuba that old-fashioned diseases are back with a vengeance.
These include tuberculosis, leprosy, and typhoid fever. And dengue,
another fever, is a particular menace. Indeed, an exiled doctor named
Dessy Mendoza Rivero — a former political prisoner and a spectacularly
brave man — wrote a book called ¡Dengue! La Epidemia Secreta de Fidel
Castro
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September 15, 2007 - 09:05 ET by drewinmass61... saw a poll that said "66%" (not exactly sure of the figure, but it was in the 60's) of people think Hillary is the best person to deal with the healthcare "dilemma" of all presidential candidates. I don't recall the source, but, man that is scary. Can American's really be so naive to think that a massive government beaurcracy would improve our health care system?
When you offer something
September 16, 2007 - 13:29 ET by dscottWhen you offer something for nothing, promising someone else will pay, it's hard to get people to see past the dollar signs. The only way we are going to defeat the next round of HillaryCare is to keep pointing to the Canadian and British Socialized systems. The core issue of Americans is "waiting", we demand instant if not timely access. We want what we want when we want it. When you emphesize the idea that it will take weeks to months to see a doctor for anything, that will be a non-starter which will kill HillaryCare.
dscott's postulate: The degree to which someone exaggerates or deceives is inversely proportional to the merit of the advocated position.