ABC's Cuomo Grovels Before Offended Michael Moore: ‘Look, I Like the Stunt'

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On Tuesday’s "Good Morning America," Chris Cuomo conducted part one of a mostly softball interview with "Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore. (Another segment will air on Wednesday.) But despite a flowery introduction where the GMA anchor asserted "[Moore’s] critics are struggling to fight his basic premise that America's health care system is in trouble," Cuomo still found himself backpedaling after labeling the liberal filmmaker’s Cuba trip a stunt. The ABC host, son of Mario Cuomo, quickly exclaimed, "Look, I like your stunt."

The stunt in question, Moore’s escorting of 9/11 Ground Zero workers to Cuba for treatment, resulted in this retort from the director:

Michael Moore: "Well, I’m making a point. I'm using satire to make a larger point, politically and socially, and you want to call it a stunt. It's certainly no different than what you would do on ‘Good Morning America’ on any given day, except you wouldn't actually confront the government in the way that I would do it."

This led to a back and forth that culminated with Cuomo announcing, "Look, I like the stunt. I think it raises the provocative question. But that's not journalism. This film is not journalism."

During a tease for the segment, which would ultimately air at 7:31am, co-host Robin Roberts foreshadowed the easygoing tone that her colleague would take. After describing Moore’s health care movie as a "call to action," she turned to Cuomo and enthused, "Can’t wait to see that."

Cuomo, who is also the brother of New York’s Democratic Attorney General, opened the segment by helpfully stating that Moore isn’t "just taking a shot, he’s got a solution.":

Chris Cuomo: But first, we have Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore this morning. He’s back and this time he has health care in his sights. The film is ‘Sicko.’ it opens June 29. And it’s interesting to note, his critics are struggling to fight his basic premise that America's health care system is in trouble. But Mr. Moore says he’s not just taking a shot, he’s got a solution, one he found by comparing our system of health care to countries around the world."

To be fair, the ABC anchor did offer a few tough questions. Early on in the segment, he inquired as to whether Moore was creating too rosy a picture of the health care systems in other nations:

Cuomo: "I mean, they have huge tax burdens. Do you think you pay too little attention to that in your film?"

Moore: "No. I think that the news media in this country has done a very good job of pointing out all the flaws."

However, he followed that up by showing a clip of the filmmaker’s documentary. Cuomo introduced the snippet by gushing over how "powerful" some of Moore’s examples were.

The most contentious moment came when, as previously mentioned, the GMA anchor mildly questioned whether or not the Cuba trip was a stunt. After Moore sniffed that his boat trip was something that "Good Morning America" would never try, this exchange followed:

Cuomo: "In a boat, with a megaphone? No, I wouldn’t do that."

Moore: "I think you should be going down into Guantanamo Bay and asking those questions. Why is it that the al Qaeda detainees get better health care than the people who tried to rescue people on 9/11? Is that a legitimate question to ask?"

Cuomo: "Absolutely a legitimate question to ask."

Moore: "And where should we ask that question?"

Cuomo: "You would try to get to the highest level of authority in charge of that decision as you could. What you did was a stunt."

Now, at the same time that Cuomo criticized Moore for not being a journalist, he also lauded the movie’s stunt. Compare this to the GMA host’s attack on immigration hawk Tom Tancredo. Cuomo slammed the conservative for using "scary" words and spreading "anti immigrant sentiment." Certainly, the ABC anchor conducted a much tougher interview.

Cuomo even closed the piece with an attack from the left. He asked Moore, "But why aren't the voters to blame, the people to blame for the situation to the extent they don’t like it?"

A transcript of the June 12 segment follows:

7am tease

Robin Roberts: "And, bitter pill. Michael Moore sinks his teeth into America’s health care industry, asking, ‘Are alleged terrorists getting better health care than you are?’ He says his new film is a call to action. We’ll hear why this morning. [To Chris Cuomo] Can’t wait to see that."

7:20 tease

Chris Cuomo: "Coming up after the break, ‘Sicko.’ Michael Moore. That’s the name of his film. It’s controversial. It’s about health care. We’ll be talking to him and get a sense of its fact or fiction."

7:31am

Chris Cuomo: But first, we have Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore this morning. He’s back and this time he has health care in his sights. The film is ‘Sicko.’ it opens June 29. And its interesting to note, his critics are struggling to fight his basic premise that America's health care system is in trouble. But Mr. Moore says he’s not just taking a shot, he’s got a solution, one he found by comparing our system of health care to countries around the world. What is the state of health care in America as you see it?"

ABC Graphic: "Taking on Healthcare in America Is Moore’s ‘Sicko’ For Real?"

Michael Moore: "It's a system that essentially is run by greed. Insurance, by and large is a racket because it’s based on playing the numbers. The only way the insurance companies can make huge profits is to not pay out claims to people who get sick. It's not so much about the number of people or how much money is spent. It's that in these other countries, they have a basic core belief that, if you get sick, you have a human right to see a doctor and not have to worry about paying for it. They wouldn't even question that. It doesn't matter in those countries if you're liberal or conservative or whatever. It doesn’t know any political boundary."

Cuomo: "But to be fair, those systems aren't utopian either, right?"

Moore: "Sure."

Cuomo: "I mean, they have huge tax burdens. Do you think you pay too little attention to that in your film?"

Moore: "No. I think that the news media in this country has done a very good job of pointing out all the flaws."

Cuomo: "Some of the examples you use in here are very powerful. You also have something you rarely see, an insider. Let's take a look at that."

[Clip from ‘Sicko’]

Linda Peeno: (The CARE Foundation): "I am here primarily today to make a public confession. In the spring of 1987, as a physician, I denied a man a necessary operation that would have saved his life and thus caused his death. No person and no group has held me accountable for this. Because, in fact, what I did was I saved a company a half a million dollars for this."

Cuomo: "How shocked were you to hear what that doctor said?"

Moore: "Well, I was really shocked. I mean, I think when I first saw this footage, I was very moved by it, that a doctor working at an insurance company, who was told that she would get essentially a Christmas bonus if she denied enough claims, and at some point, she couldn't live with it any longer."

Cuomo: "The showpiece of the film, at least in the media portrayal so far, has been your trip to Cuba. You took some 9/11 heroes down there to get health care. Why did you decide to bring people to Cuba?"

Moore: "I didn’t. I decided to bring them to our naval base at Guantanamo Bay, because I found out that the al Qaeda detainees in Guantanamo have completely free medical, dental, eye care. They have nutrition counseling. They have teeth cleanings. They have all this free universal health care and here we have these 9/11 rescue workers in New York City who have these incredible, now, respiratory diseases as a result of working at Ground Zero for months and, and many of them with no health care, nobody helping them."

Cuomo: "Did you think they were going to let you in with a boatful of people and a megaphone?"

Moore: "Yes, I did. I honestly, I thought they'd call my bluff and help these 9/11 rescue workers."

Cuomo: "Fair criticism to say that’s a stunt? Michael Moore is doing a stunt."

Moore: "Well, I’m making a point. I'm using satire to make a larger point, politically and socially, and you want to call it a stunt. It's certainly no different than what you would do on ‘Good Morning America’ on any given day, except you wouldn't actually confront the government in the way that I would do it."

Cuomo: "In a boat, with a megaphone? No, I wouldn’t do that."

Moore: "I think you should be going down into Guantanamo Bay and asking those questions. Why is it that the al Qaeda detainees get better health care than the people who tried to rescue people on 9/11? Is that a legitimate question to ask?"

Cuomo: "Absolutely a legitimate question to ask."

Moore: "And where should we ask that question?"

Cuomo: "You would try to get to the highest level of authority in charge of that decision as you could. What you did was a stunt."

Moore: "And if they won’t talk to you?"

Cuomo: " Look, I like the stunt. I think it raises the provocative question. But that's not journalism. This film is not journalism."

Moore: "I think it is journalism."

Cuomo: "But you expose yourself to the criticism. You do."

Moore: "To what criticism?

Cuomo: "People saying this is one-sided. He doesn’t even have the insurance companies in there."

Moore: "Well, I didn't want anybody to think the problem was one insurance company. If I knocked on the door of Aetna or went and knocked on the door of Pfizer, it would take you away from the larger point I’m trying to make, which is the actual system itself that has to be upended."

Cuomo: "When you went down to Guantanamo Bay, you come back, the government finds out about it. Where are we with all of that right now?"

Moore: "They're investigating me for bringing these 9/11 rescue workers down there for, to get some help. A serious concern for the last couple weeks has been are they going to attempt to confiscate the negative of this film because essentially, in their words, it violates the trade embargo."

Cuomo: "True that you hid a master of the movie?"

Moore: "Yes. We, we took a master copy of the movie out of the country, immediately, the day that we were informed of this investigation."

Cuomo: "Obviously, you blame the companies. They're all about greed. You don't like what they do. But why aren't the voters to blame, the people to blame for the situation to the extent they don’t like it?"

Moore: "Well, that is what's different with this film from my other films, is that instead of Mike going up to the chairman of General Motors or Mike going to Capitol Hill to, you know, confront a Congressman or the President of the United States. In this film I'm essentially asking the audience to do it."

Cuomo: "And he’s also upping his own personal responsibility. Michael says he's going to get in shape to help lower his own health care cost for the rest of us. We’re going to have much more with him tomorrow on GMA, including his controversial views on the war an the media's coverage of it. ‘Sicko’ opens on Friday, June 29. And that’s all we have on that for right now."

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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Cuomo

 I spent most of my life in New York. Mention the name Cuomo and I feel sick to my stomach. Mario was (is) a mobster who raped N.Y. for years with an unctuous, "I'm so concerned" hypocrisy.  So what do you expect from his son? This punk Andy attacks conservatives with accusatory questions and lets left-wing zealots off the hook. Are you surprised?

NEVER,NEVER, trust a liberal

Michael Moore and the MSM fea

Michael Moore and the MSM fears "THE TRUTH" about the healthcare in Cuba...

TheRealCuba.com

As long as you are among the

As long as you are among the ruling ELEITE and get doctors from the west then yes Cuba is wonderful health care.

Something right for once

At least Cuomo got it right that this film [nor any of them] is not journalism, certainly not a documentary.

btw, Mikey, it was a stunt, like it or not. I hope you get arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sentence to Club Gitmo with the rest of the enemies of the USA.
[I wonder if Alberto has the stomach to enforce this law.]

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

If Cuomo were a legitimate jo

If Cuomo were a legitimate journalist he would have asked some legitimate questions about Moore's fake-u-mentaries like Roger and Me, Bowling for Columbine and Farenlie 9/11?  Like maybe asking him if this movie will be as untruthful as the previous ones were?

Moore: "Well, I didn't want anybody to think the problem was one insurance company. If I knocked on the door of Aetna or went and knocked on the door of Pfizer, it would take you away from the larger point I’m trying to make, which is the actual system itself that has to be upended."

I haven't heard a bigger load of crap since Hillary said she plays pick-up basketball games.

We’re going to have much more with him tomorrow on GMA, including his controversial views on the war an the media's coverage of it.

I for one will be riveted by what Michael Moore has to say about a war he doesn't agree with by a Nation he admittedly doesn't like.

The Sick Michael Moore and Chris Cuomo

It astounds me yet and it shouldn't whenever I hear a liberal say they like something which harms another human being. Certainly Mr. Moore makes a fortune out of setting up paper tigers in GM, President Bush and now pharmaceuticals, but it is one thing to show rabbits strangled by snake's in shocking people as Moore has but it is another thing to take sick people to Cuba, raising their hopes and for the only purpose of using them.

Would Mr. Moore and Mr. Cuomo think taking ailing Jews to a clinic outside Aushwitz exposing medical problems be a "stunt" to enjoy or would these two sick minds of liberalism think taking molested children to a clinic in Thailand as a "stunt" worth enjoyment.

As the above is barbaric in a Stalin sense, then so is taking sick people to Cuba preying on them after they have gone through enough on September 11.

Mr. Cuomo should be fired, but will probably be the next female head to replace Katie Couric.

Moore reminds me of my kids w

Moore reminds me of my kids when they were little and they would try to convince me that Santa Claus just had to be real.  After all, the cookies were gone.. what other explanation could there be?

I work for one of the biggest health insurers in the country, and not only are we a member-owned, not-for-profit, company, we've been one for over 60 years.  There are no huge profits or demanding shareholders, just operating costs, provider reimbursements, and mandatory reserve levels... that's it.  That's not to say that property, automotive, and other insurers aren't operated on a for-profit basis, but we're not.

The problem with the American healthcare system is the insurance companies, but not for the reasons that Moore cites.  Prior to the wide availability of health insurance, providers were very limited as to what they could charge for services.  As insurance became more widely available, providers could charge more and more for their services because they no longer had to price their work based on how much the average patient could afford out of their pockets.  This caused a substantial chasm to form between the insured and the uninsured as we long ago reached a point where provider costs are way to high for anyone but the wealthiest to pay out of their pocket for.

The model for healthcare reform is laser eye surgery.  No major insurers covered this procedure, so it had to evolve based on traditional business standards such as improving quality and reducing costs.  In ten years laser eye surgery had greatly improved in quality, availabilty, and costs have dropped close to 80%.  Once you take the deep pockets of insurers out of the equation, you'll fix the healthcare problems.  Of course, doctors will have to drive Chevys and Fords like the rest of us, but hey... that's life.

Bru... don't forget state man

Bru... don't forget state mandates. Every state has services they legally require to be covered by insurance polices sold in that state. They add up, and they result in expensive policies that drive people out of the market.

If we want to make the government "fix" health care, that's where we should start. The state govts should lift care mandates and the fed. govt should allow insurers to sell across state lines. Vive le competition! Let the market determine the price. Then we might have a few more people out there willing to spend their money on health insurance.

I hate to upset your plan, bu

I hate to upset your plan, but selling policies across state lines will result in nothing but increased, not decreased, costs.  Again, most health insurance plans are not-for-profit operations.  Competition only works when there's some profit money you can do without to lower costs, but for a not-for-profit operation there isn't any profits to do without.  The money that's paid into the insurer as premiums gets turned around and sent back out to the providers.  The only monies that the insurer keeps are money to cover operating expenses (mainly customer service expenses) and a floating reserve of cash that the government requires us to have to cover a major disaster (hurricanes, terrorist acts, etc.)

We keep our costs down by dealing with local providers.  If we were to start dealing with providers in other states, two things would happen.  First, the costs of dealing with remote providers would drive the costs of everyone's premiums up.  Second, providers who receive less due to their location would start charging more since they can be covered by insurers from higher-cost areas.  For example, let's say you have two people with broken arms - one in NYC and one in Mobile, AL.  A provider gets $1,000 to treat a broken arm in NYC, and $250 in Mobile.  Once both of these providers are covered by the same insurer, the cost of treating broken arms in both cities will be $1,000 as costs always balance upwards, never downwards.  Also, the insurer in NYC's administrative costs are the same whether they are paying a NYC or Mobile provider, so the savings the Mobile members got from an insurer with lower admin costs in AL will be lost. 

The "market" is not the insurers because we don't get to set the price.  Premium prices are set by the average yearly outlays to the providers, and there's no way you're going to get providers in a high-cost area to lower their costs to meet those of providers in low-cost areas.  What you will always get are low cost area providers raising their charges to meet those of providers who are getting more.

If we were to do away with all health insurance, providers would have no choice but to lower their charges or lose their patients and their practice.  Those providers with poor customer service would go out of business, while those who become known for their great service would thrive.  This is exactly what we saw with laser eye surgery.  If insurance had covered that procedure in 1987 or so, it would have gone from $3,000 an eye to close to $10,000 by now.  Instead it has gone from $3,000 an eye to about $1,000 for both eyes AND with tremendous improvement in services.

Bruzilla...Are you telling me

Bruzilla...

Are you telling me that Santa does not exist?

I knew I should have stayed in bed today.

Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought for sure that the prisoners at Gitmo were being tortured! Does it really take a terrorist act to get a great dental program? Seems like the libs want it both ways again, what a shock!!!

(Calling Michael Moore)Here

(Calling Michael Moore)

Here, pig, pig, pig, pig! Souuuuuueeeeee! Souuuuuuuueeeee!

Cuomo: "I mean, they hav

Cuomo: "I mean, they have huge tax burdens. Do you think you pay too little attention to that in your film?"

Moore told Bill O'Riely that 70 percent tax should be the norm. With that kinda tax hike Moore could make movies on malnutrition in the USA

Cuomo: "Obviously, you blame the companies. They're all about greed.

Yea, and Moore makes movies for chairity?