Premature Celebration? CNN’s Post-Debate Crew Suggests There’s No Stopping Obama Now

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Within an hour of the conclusion of Wednesday night’s presidential debate, CNN’s political panel began sketching out John McCain’s political obituary, with senior analyst David Gergen drawing a round of laughter when he replied “beats the hell out of me” when asked by anchor Anderson Cooper what McCain could do next. Gergen bleakly suggested McCain had no chance and should end the race with his “honor intact” (which means no more attacks on Barack Obama):

I think you have to do everything you can to help save as much of the Senate and the House as you can for your party. I think you have to need -- you need to see if you can leave this with your honor intact. I think you need to go positive about what you do on the economy and get rid of this stuff about Bill Ayers and all this garbage that we've been going through now.

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A few minutes later, national correspondent John King suggested it would be necessary -- and almost impossible -- for McCain to win a state that CNN has already coded “blue” on its electoral college map.

Let's hypothetically, Wolf, give them [the “toss-up states” of Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Nevada] all to John McCain just to show the steepness of the hill....McCain still loses the election. So what he has to do in 19 days is not only get up the huge hill of winning all those states which are big battleground states and expensive battleground states. He has to find something on this map that is blue, that is substantial and change it.

The dire analysis for McCain was premised on the notion that the Republican candidate failed to undermine Barack Obama’s support, a conclusion supported by CNN’s poll of 620 debate watchers which found 58% saying Obama performed the best compared to 31% who thought McCain won.  

But four years ago, after the final Bush-Kerry debate, CNN’s poll found 53% saying John Kerry won the debate, compared to 39% picking George W. Bush. But Bush went on to beat Kerry on Election Day.

Of course the political environment is much different now than it was back then, and John McCain is clearly the underdog -- although Obama’s lead could be as little as 2 points, as measured by Gallup’s traditional “likely voter” measure, to as wide as 14 points, as claimed by CBS News and the New York Times.

Nevertheless, it still seems awfully premature for the CNN pundits to start popping champagne corks in celebration.

Here’s a transcript of some of CNN’s coverage, starting at about 11:30pm EDT on Wednesday:

ANDERSON COOPER: John King right before the break was talking about wanting to see the reaction on Independents to tonight's debate. Campbell Brown actually has some new polling in which it has Independents in them -- Campbell.

CAMPBELL BROWN: Yes, this is our breakdown and just to remind everybody the overall number in terms of how people, who they thought won the debate was 58 percent in favor of Obama, 31 percent for McCain. But this is the break down on where Democrats, Republicans and Independents stood.

Democrats no surprise here 88 percent thought that Obama won, 5 percent McCain. Independents 57 percent for Obama, 31 percent thought McCain won it. Republicans 18 percent Obama, 68 percent McCain. So pretty much where our overall number was it seems to be where Independents were breaking down.

COOPER: And John, if you would extrapolate that out to the Independents nationwide, what does that means for the race?

JOHN KING: If that's the case, and that opinion holds over the next 19 days, what it does for the race is it means Barack Obama is the next President of the United States. That 19 days is a long time, I think McCain was more effective tonight trying to do the spending and the connecting the dots on the economy and saying Barack Obama is liberal and you don't want him right now. But if that's how Independents saw it tonight, it shows you how you how steep the hill is for John McCain.

COOPER: We have more polling numbers?

BROWN: Yes, and it's on issues of the economy that they don't reflect that at least in the polling that we have. Who better handles the economy, Obama 59 percent, to McCain's 35 percent. Who would better handle the financial crisis, Obama 56 percent, McCain 35 percent. Who would better handle health care, big margin here 62 percent for Obama, 31 percent for McCain. Who would better handle taxes a little bit tighter but not that much, 56 percent for Obama 41 percent for McCain.

COOPER: So David Gergen, if you are John McCain tomorrow and you were in his campaign, what is the message? What do you go out and besides how I won on the debate and did I do great, how does the race change now for John McCain?

DAVID GERGEN: Beats the hell out of me.

COOPER: By the way, as a presidential advisor did you ever say that to a president?

GERGEN: He said that -- I think he will come to regret -- that he was going out and whip Obama's you know what. That was his pledge. He went out and threw everything he had at it tonight. It did not work. I think the message out of these polls is pretty darn clear.

And so after that, I don't know quite where you go. I do think you have to do two things. I think you have to do everything you can to help save as much of the Senate and the House as you can for your party.

I think you have to need -- you need to see if you can leave this with your honor intact. I think you need to go positive about what you do on the economy and get rid of this stuff about Bill Ayers and all this garbage that we've been going through now. Which maybe -- it is relevant in one sense, yes, it's formally relevant but it's not really relevant to the voters.

And they've sent a very clear message on that. And get back to a positive message to see if he can close the gap a little bit. If he can bring it down to three or four points he could still win. I think it's very hard now.

GLORIA BORGER: But I think it's hard because here is where money and organization comes in. And right now Barack Obama as John was saying earlier he's got the money. He's going to pour more into ads.

ALEX CASTELLANOS: I've seen in the commercials three to four to one.

BORGER: At least.

KING: And they are everywhere.

BORGER: And they're everywhere. And he's got the organization. The silver lining of going through that long primary season is that he's got the troops on the ground.

...

JOHN KING: Bill Clinton was the last Democrat to win the White House. He never saw a map that looked anything like this especially this close to Election Day.

277 electoral votes; we now project Barack Obama would win if the election were today. 19 days is a long time; but that already puts him over the threshold. John McCain trailing back here.

Let's look at the steepness of the challenge. These are the six tossup states; the gold states. The red states are leaning or strong McCain depending on how dark they are; the blue states leaning or strong Obama depending how dark they are.

The gold states are the tossup states; all states huge electoral battlegrounds won by George W. Bush four years ago.

Barack Obama leads in several of these states right now. Let's hypothetically, Wolf, give them all to John McCain just to show the steepness of the hill. He wins Florida, 27 electoral votes, again Obama is ahead right there right now. North Carolina it's a very competitive race, let's say McCain wins it. Ohio, Obama is ahead in this huge battleground but let's give it hypothetically to McCain. I spent much of the week Missouri; it's a state that is a tossup right now; again for the sake of argument. And let's complete it by giving him Colorado where Obama in some polls is ahead and Nevada where I believe in all the polls, Obama's ahead.

McCain still loses the election. So what he has to do in 19 days is not only get up the huge hill of winning all those states which are big battleground states and expensive battleground states. He has to find something on this map that is blue, that is substantial and change it.

They have tried and tried and tried in Pennsylvania, Wolf; 21 electoral votes, if they could change that that would be a game changer. See? But they're down ten or 12 point there so we're going to leave that blue.

Where else do they go? We just leaned Virginia Democrat today; Obama leads by about 10 points. That would put the game back in play if McCain could make it a tossup state. You'd get there; he would still need to find something.

Barack Obama tomorrow will be in the state of New Hampshire. That is where John McCain revived himself. But that is only four electoral votes. But McCain is looking at this map saying where do I go?

—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.


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Yes indeed, the propaganda

Yes indeed, the propaganda sales pitch is in full swing.  Now why would they want McCain to drop out of the race before the election UNLESS they knew the polls were wrong?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

dscott... Bingo! You

dscott...

Bingo!

You know they were terrified last night, they did not expect to see what they saw last night from McC...in full force to try to change what was really said last night to all their following lemmings...

They were disgusting.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Ann Coulter did some

Ann Coulter did some research and has a great read on how often late polls have been wrong.  I cracked up when I read this:

Reading newspaper coverage of presidential elections in 1980 and 1984,
I found myself paralyzed by the fear that Reagan was going to lose.

Go read the whole thing.  It gave me a glimmer of hope.  It might do the same for others.

Bottom line:  I think they are terrified of the same happening, and they are trying to depress turnout.  In 2000, they called states early for Gore, which had  the same result, including infamously in the Florida panhandle. Worked once; why not try it again?

"they are trying to depress

"they are trying to depress turnout" That's exactly it. Or one part of it.

The media's coverage of this election is to create the public mood of an inevitable Obama victory.  By doing this they hope to inspire the Dem side and demoralize the Republican side.


"Journalism is dead"
- Sean Hannity

Hillary, guess who stole the nomination from you?

You know, Hillary and her followers need to wake up.

It looks clear that the Obama camp is trying to steal this election by "stuffing the ballot box," so he can be president. But I would bet my bottom dollar that Obama "stuffed the ballot box" during the primaries to win the nomination from Hillary. And the scrutiny at the polling places during the primaries was virtually non-existent, so of course it would have been so very easy to have done that.

Hillary supporters can vote for McCain-Palin to get even with Obama, if they think he cheated them out of Hillary's nomination.

 

I heard this last

I heard this last night...about ten minutes worth...

I'm in love with David Gergen.

Says it all does it not....

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

David Rodham-Gergen

I know this is off-color, but if you looked up the term "political whore" in the dictionary, you would find a picture of David Rodham-Gergen.

CK... The pathetic pile

CK...

The pathetic pile of human excrement sold his soul long ago...political whore is putting it politely when it comes to him.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

CNN....

If a Republican led a Democrat by 5-6 points with more than two weeks remaining till the election would CNN declare it over?

This is nothing more than media-led voter suppression.

Forbus... This is nothing

Forbus...

This is nothing more than media-led voter suppression.

Exactly...I posted the exact same thing last night somewhere.

It is voter suppression...that I think is going to backfire...

I said long ago in a debate with Noel about McCain that one thing about it, the msm will most likely have us all so mad by the election that backlash will ensue...(I am paraphrasing, bu I believe it to be true....) they are making a huge mistake. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Not Over 'Till It's Over (Right, Yogi?)

The votes they suppress may actually be democrat ones, especially the 20-something crowd who may think it's in the bag for 0bama and take a pass on voting.

It could also make the "silent majority" (is there still one?) madder than hell and turn out in droves for the underdog.  Americans love an underdog, as we are often told, and McCain could pull this out of the fire yet, in spite of himself.

And that is exactly what we

And that is exactly what we need to do: get out and vote.

The so-called "youth vote" is famous for big talk before election day, and then sleeping in or being too "busy" to stand in line.  I hope this comes back to bite them on the butt, big time!

God, I want McCain to win, to see their mass on-air suicide!

 

Same here mb... I am so

Same here mb...

I am so furious with what I see happening now that I cannot see straight!

I will be voting against the msm with all my might!!!!!!!!!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

yea guys, let em think they won, sleep sleep 20 somethings

Canada just held an election and it was the lowest voter turn out.. Ever (or in a long, long time)...

TXT in your vote this year ; ya minions with skulls full of mush .

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

upc.... that is another

upc.... that is another thing I posted somewhere...this not only will anger the right with what the msm is doing to get out and vote, but they keep this up with their lying posts and the crap they spew...the intentional attempt of destruction of a person like Joe the plumber, Palin ect, plus keep telling everyone out there with the false polls that are huge that they like to use, more leftists will stay home, not the other way around.

 "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Actually, BT, they will

Actually, BT, they will probably loose votes because everybody will be attending the victory parties, instead. Here about Obama's planned outside celebration party in Chicago?  I hope they all forget to vote and just go directly to the party instead, just to try to get a place in front.

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

TnT... Yes, I have heard

TnT...

Yes, I have heard about this...but I love the way your brain is thinking...

By the way, I do not doubt that plenty will do just as you suggest either...after-all they are leftists.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

CNN Post Debate Crew = Circle Jerk

Just calling it like I see it.

YW... You called it

YW...

You called it right!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Yahoo!!! You owe me a beer!!

You made me laugh so hard...I spilt my beer on my keyboard!!

I buy keyboards by the case since I joined NB.

You still owe me a baefwsdfrreer...D@mn keewerboard!!!

Ster.

OK. I really do not

OK. I really do not understand why everyone puts so much stock in the debates. Just because one or both candidates performs well doesn't mean that changes the minds of most of the voters. The majority of us already have our minds made up, and nothing one of them says will ever make me change my mind.

The legitimate polls are almost neck and neck. And bar cheating by ACORN, McCain has just as good a chance as Obama.

 

I'm just looking forward to

I'm just looking forward to the Nets eating Crow in a few weeks. They'll be nearly speechless. Then they'll go into a tyrade about how McCain must have been the beneficiary of racist white voters.  The period of disbelief will last at least one month, which will equate to one enjoyable month for me.

One month?  They haven't

One month?  They haven't accepted 2000 yet!

 

God, please, please, please

God, please, please, please let McCain win.Ohhhhh the vile media must be reformed to be what is intended to be, news media is the number one enemy in my eye's.Can anyone tell me one decent nice mention or good accomplishment about Gov.Palin other than Sean and Greta?These are the people that need to be "changed".Even the talking heads at Fox news last night wouldn't give McCain any credit where it was due.They are worried about their champaign parties that they might not get invited to.

Why isn't anyone in the MSM looking to interveiw Bill Ayers?

If McCain losses Im moving to Alaska.Im sure you all can figure out why.

"IF" and thats a big if.......

the Marxist gets in.....Ireland for me.....at least they cut their taxes, and are business friendly. When they did that, their economy took off. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt...SPOT ON!!!

When Ireland dropped it's business tax rate...and expanded it's Tech training...Ireland became the Tech leader of Europe!!!

Dell jumped over there faster than an Irishman can slam a PINT!!!

...I'm German/Irish...and I can slam a PINT...but I digress...

I saw it happen...Dell threw up a plant...and Ireland...and Dell...made money!!!  SHOCKING!!!

Ster....Burp.

Ster....when they did that...boy did it look

enticing.  My family came over in the 1830's....so I guess I qualify for a return.  The way things are going here.....it looks better and better each day.....I'm retired so I can pack up anytime no problem. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt...Patton's Son went to my Prep School!!!

I graduated from THE HILL SCHOOL, POTTSTOWN, PA.

Patton's son went there also!!!

WIKI it!!  I graduated 1986...Sec. of State James Baker personally gave me my diploma!!!  Baker graduated from The Hill.

Ster.

Wow ster!!!

I think you mentioned it before.....but still!!!  Got to see the GS Patton Jr. museum in San Bernadino......I hear it is fantastic.   

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

ALERT!! DRUDGE: GALLUP 49 Obama 47 McC!!!

With LIKELY voters!!!

Help!!!  I'm confused...but...but...CNN, MSNBC said McCain should just go jump off a cliff!!!  Help!!!

Soooo...We got Murtha calling his own district racist...Obama measuring for drapes...Voter fraud by ACORN...Sex scandal in Florida...

Anyone ever hear of voter apathy?? 

Sooo...If thousands of college students...who don't turn out to vote anyway.

..and hundreds of thousands of non-existent voters never turn out by ACORN...

I'm confused.  Help!!

Ster.

Ster... ...and lets not

Ster...

...and lets not forget Ohio and Jennifer Brunner, this is going to the SC for an emergency session if they take it.
.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Bt...GOP issued a counter suit...

Nothing in the news yet.  Remember...J.P. Stevens has jurisdiction...so we can guess what will happen!!

Stay tuned.

I'm scared.  I need a HUG!!!

Ster.

Guess what David

Guess what David Gergen?

We know you're bald.

The Happy Leftists

Weren't these same leftists celebrating Kerry's victory in 2004 over Bush when the exit poll results came in?

allanf... ...Yes

allanf...

...Yes indeedy....

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Still not sure why our tax

Still not sure why our tax money is funneled to Pacifica Radio. I'm not sure the left would be thrilled if their money went to support a conservative station.

Of course typical leftist love to have everyone pay for their idiotic causes.

Looks on the faces of the candidates

I've been noticing the faces of Obama and McCain today and it occurs to me that they show some stark differences.  Obie is in NH looking pretty stressed and somewhat annoyed.  McCain in Pa. and Sarah in Maine and both seem to be having a helluva time. Wonder why that is?  Could it be that Obie is unsure after all? There's always an insecurity factor in play for adult children of alcholics and is only exacerbated with fear of abandonment.

The left is looking to punish poor Joe the Plumber now.  If they eviscerate this guy it will not go over well.  Repeat: will NOT go over well.  Politicians can attack each other but if they attack Mr. Regular Guy ... Mr. and Mrs. Mainstreet won't forget.

Barak 0bama - Afraction American

Hello Assessor

Correct, but it raises the question - does McCain-Palin have more working families and stay at home moms [hardest job of all] than Hussein Oguvmint-Cockamamy Joe have stay at home freeloaders?

Assessor

I saw Biden try to dilute our Joe the Plumber today; this will not go over well with honest, hard-working middle class USA.

What drives CNN crazy is that Palin is still standing and SMILING after all the hostile attacks on her and her family. 

 

The false prophets of the MSM

Sadly for the MSM, elections are decided by voters. Their biased reporting and biased polling only influences voters.

Shamefully, the MSM does not want the TRUTH and issues to be a factor in the election. They fear that the informed voter would not vote for Obama. 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Too close to Call-Gallup

AOL straw poll shows a McPalin landslide!

http://news.aol.com/elections/debates/article/presidential-debate-hofstra-mccain-obama/203722?icid=100214839x1211670540x1200705762 

McPalin AOL straw landslide

Go vote here

Norto...

Thanks...

I just voted there too...on all four questions...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

PBS vs AFA

PBS and the American Family Assoc are running polls. PBS as to Palin's qualifications and AFA as to Obama's. A lib friend of  mine was really upset us on the right found out about the PBS poll, because we might flood it with NOs for Obama's quals.

He forgets we all are part of the taxpayer funded public! 

David Gergen is another one

David Gergen is another one of thoseformer conservatives  that were infected by the DC virus. Too many DC liberal megalomaniacs addled his mind to such a degree that he spews the same liberal garbage as all his liberal nitwits. I guess David enjoys all the invitations to liberal cocktail parties in DC where he can dilate on the virtues of spreading the wealtha round.

So when David and his cronies on the msm pretend Obama won this debate, you can bet your ass that they were stunned by McCain's brilliant performance. But now they need to spin Obama's loss into a victory. David, you are an insult to our intelligence. And a moron, too. Now have another swig from your cocktail.

This will stop the boy from Kenya.

 

 

http://www.youtube.c...

 

McCAIN-PALIN 2008 and HILLARY-ANYBODY 2012

Glenn Beck Leaving CNN for Fox News

 This is interesting. Looks like Glenn might escape the insanity.

 http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/tv_fox_beck_cnn/2008/10/16/141295.html

"The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree" -Barack Obama

RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!

JOY!!!

I am going to miss Bret!!! :(

Speaking of schedule changes...

IDEA!!!!

NB AND OLBYWATCH TEAM UP AND BASH THE LIBERL MEDIA FOR ONE FULL HOUR!!!...not the cheap ...but funny...REDEYE...

I think a 6pm cst slot would be perfect.  After Beck...before Crissy, and Olby...Just to piss them off!!!  I want pay back!!

Good Idea???

Ster.

Ster

I'll chip in!

...money and commentary!

It'll be a hoot!

TN..I think this NB/OLBYWATCH show could work!!!

Only problem..Murdock is playing both sides of the fence!! :(

Just an idea Matt...

I will volunteer my time as an  AUSTIN correspondent!!!  Don't worry about me...I'm 6' 200lbs...

You all know I'm in the center of a LIBERL vortex.

Pulhhheeezzzz???

Ster.

That is such a telling picture the first one at top of page..

All the COOL-AID muggs lined up in a cute little row!

I want a sip! no me first...

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

How many news

How many news contributors/Obama backers can one media outlet fit around a table at once?  There were more tingles going up legs at that table than a naked dude standing in a field crowded with ant hills!

 fyi...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111124/Gallup-Daily-Likely-Voters-Traditional.aspx

Just that screencap makes me queasy

DAVID GERGEN: Beats the hell out of me.

Hey, I'll do it! When and where?