Howard Kurtz Accuses Fox News of Flip-flopping on Protesters

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As Americans flood to town hall meetings and Tea Parties to express their opposition to ObamaCare, media members find it somewhat hypocritical that these same people might have looked upon anti-Bush protests with contempt.

This seeming contradiction was addressed on CNN's "Reliable Sources" Sunday when host Howard Kurtz asked his guests, "[H]asn't Fox, in fact, flipped -- some Fox hosts, I should say -- from slamming liberal protesters to defending these anti-Obama protesters?"

This question arose when Kurtz brought up last week's exchange between Fox News's Bill O'Reilly and Comedy Central's Jon Stewart (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, relevant section at 8:45):

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HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Speaking of Fox News, there's a bit of a smack-down on the airwaves that we're going to play for you that goes to the question of how Fox is treating the protesters.

First, Jon Stewart, on "The Daily Show," played some clips to that effect. And then Bill O'Reilly came back the next night with a rebuttal. Let's show that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS: When we cover the town hall meetings, we don't describe the protesters as loons.

JON STEWART, "THE DAILY SHOW": Of course you don't describe the protesters as loons. What kind of monster would describe honest Americans voicing their political opinions that way?

O'REILLY: The surveys show many protesters are simply loons.

STEWART: All right. To be fair -- to be fair, those were protesters he agrees with.

O'REILLY: To be fair? Ha! Once again, Jon Stewart took the "loon" clip out of context. Here's what I really said...

There are the anti-Bush protesters here in New York City. While most of these people have been peaceful, more than 1,000 have been arrested, and surveys show many protesters are simply loons, calling for the destruction of the American system, calling for retreat in the face of terrorism.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KURTZ: And O'Reilly went on to say that he understands that Stewart is a satirist, but that he had been unfair in the way he had framed it.

So, Anne Kornblut, I'm sure "The Daily Show" does selective editing for comedic purposes, but isn't there a serious point here about who you describe protesters, depending on what the cause is?

ANNE KORNBLUT, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, I guess so. I'm glad he has a new target besides Olbermann. There's a new fight going on.

Sure. I mean, look, we have to be -- I think all of us here are careful about how we describe the protesters and giving them credence. They operate in a different universe. And certainly, I think, Jon Stewart's goal in all of this is to be funny first and probably accurate first-ish.

(LAUGHTER)

KURTZ: Clarence, hasn't Fox, in fact, flipped -- some Fox hosts, I should say -- from slamming liberal protesters to defending these anti-Obama protesters, some of which -- some of whom are very articulate and some of whom seem a little confused about some of the facts?

A little confused about some of the facts?

Why was that in any way important? Weren't some of the liberal protesters during the Bush years a little confused about some of their facts, or were they all experts in the causes they supported?

Beyond which, why is it that media members don't seem to understand why many Americans -- not just Fox News hosts! -- find anti-war protests distasteful once the military has been deployed and are in harm's way?

After all, at that point, regardless of protesters' claims of undying love for their country, many believe -- whether rightly or wrongly -- that such people are taking the side of America's enemies, and their very actions might be emboldening those we're at war with.

Maybe more importantly, folks with enlisted friends and family members feel such protests could end up costing the lives of their loved ones.

As such, there's a world of difference between the emotions evoked on both sides of an anti-war demonstration and what's currently being played out at town hall meetings and Tea Parties across the fruited plain.

This inconvenient truth didn't surface on "Reliable Sources" Sunday as it rarely does when town hall protesters are compared to anti-war demonstrators: 

CLARENCE PAGE, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: To be fair, Howard...

KURTZ: Yes, let's try that.

PAGE: ... to be fair that we are talking about the line being blurred between news and entertainment more than any of us could have imagined, except maybe in the world of Paddy Chayefsky's "Network" back in 1975. If you look at that now, you're seeing that kind of a circus unfold on cable TV now.

The real point underlying all this is that it's OK to slant your anchor coverage, if you will, to slant your shows on cable TV now...

(CROSSTALK)

KURTZ: But aren't these opinion shows? They're not anchors. They're not anchors, they're commentators.

PAGE: But, you know, again, how much of our audience out there understands the distinction? I mean, we're in this business, you know, and we make that distinction. But folk outs there -- I go to my video store and the guy says, "Oh, I get all my news from Bill O'Reilly." I like Bill, but getting all your news from any one place...

KURTZ: And MSNBC, some hosts, seem to be more inclined to go after these town hall protesters than they were to go after the anti- Bush demonstrators.

Indeed, Howard, like the folks on that network -- such as David Shuster and Keith Olbermann -- who referred to Tea Partiers by a sexual term.

To date this is all the coverage "Reliable Sources" has given that issue (April 19):

KURTZ: All right. MSNBC, as I mentioned at the top, seemed to delight in making fun of this whole TEA party Tax Day business. And we have a clip here of one guest on MSNBC, Ana Marie Cox.

Let's roll that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) COX: It is true that teabaggers are grossly underrepresented in Congress. I'm trying to work on that personally, but, you know, one can only do so much. I think David Vitter really is the right spokesman for the movement though.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KURTZ: All right. Now, tea-bagging is sexual slang, the definition of which we are not going to go into on this program.

And you took some heat for a series of jokes about that sort of thing. Do you think in retrospect that you went a little far on that?

ANA MARIE COX: I don't think I went far. I mean, I think that we all talk about we have different roles as journalists and commentators, and I always approach things from a humorous and risque point of view when possible. And also, this is something that we made very clear in the beginning, since the setup of that interview, which is the organizers themselves use "teabag" as a verb quite a bit, and it was unfortunate that they did not apparently have access to the Google to find out what that means.

KURTZ: But a number of MSNBC hosts did a lot of sexual double entendres, and that sounded, to my ear, to be very dismissive of the fact there were people with legitimate grievances who wanted to protest.

AMANDA CARPENTER: I believe when you cover any subject, whether you disagree with it or not, you owe your subject a certain amount of respect. I did not think using that word was respectful. I thought it was offensive, it was a sexual insult used to disparage the people that supported these TEA parties. And I think it was very inappropriate to use on primetime television.

FRANK SESNO: And I think we've got a lot to worry about here. Whether we're dismissing it from the left or pumping it up from the right, the question is whether we're going to back here one, two, three years from now apologizing to the audience the way we have apologized with the banking collapse and with the coverage of the Iraq War, that the right questions, the toughest questions, weren't asked and the media didn't take this stuff seriously, because we are putting this country in deep, deep debt. That's worth looking at.

KURTZ: A quick question for you about the role of the host, because you've been a host, obviously, here on CNN.

SESNO: Yes.

KURTZ: Janeane Garofalo, the actress and activist, was on Keith Olbermann's MSNBC program, and she dismissed the protest with these words: "This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of tea-bagging red necks."

Now, she can say whatever she wants, but Olbermann didn't challenge her at all.

SESNO: Should be challenged. I mean, again -- but it depends what the show is. All right? I mean, Keith Olbermann is Keith Olbermann. I mean, he's going to approach this the way he should.

KURTZ: Everybody is racist?

SESNO: No.

KURTZ: Everybody hates Obama because he's black...

(CROSSTALK)

SESNO: No. Of course not. Of course not.

And of course it's not true that everybody who is at these TEA parties is there at the behest of Fox News. There are really serious issues. Your kids, my kids, you know, we're all going to be paying...

And that, as they say, was that.

Something else that didn't come up in Sunday's segment that might have been quite relevant was how anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan was thrown under the bus this week by ABC's Charlie Gibson.

As Kurtz and the panel discussed the differing treatment of protesters by the cablers, it might have been approriate to debate why Sheehan and what's remaining of her ilk are no longer of interest to press members that once couldn't get enough of them.

On the other hand, maybe that would have hit too close to home.

Moving forward, it goes without question that many media watchers are still astounded by the deplorable behavior of America's so-called journalists during last year's presidential campaign.

Sadly, history might view the press's treatment of Tea Partiers and town hall meeting protesters as equally disgraceful if not more so.

That's another issue I'd love to see Kurtz cover with a balanced panel...how 'bout you? 

*****Update: As NBer SkipperMLM points out, while Kurtz and company were discussing Fox's supposed flip-flop, they might have addressed how two weeks ago, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali.) wrote an op-ed wherein she wrote:

These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Yet, on January 17, 2006, Pelosi said she was a fan of disruptors:

How's that for flip-flopping, Howie?

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Well the good news is...

it appears that like so many under-educated Americans, CNN is also getting their news from Comedy Central.

Well Said

The  Code Pink Kooks or Cindy Sheehan never received the fulminating contempt that the left reserves for the Town Hall attendees. 

What's worse, our leftist friends are often professional protestors.

CNN is comedy central. Kurtz

CNN is comedy central. Kurtz needs to get a clown nose.

I feel better

I feel better now...Clarence has cleared things up for me.

What would we ever do without these talking-heads?

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

what is this Foxnews

what is this Foxnews "blasting" of liberal protesters?!?!? examples please

this is a common state-media tactic - accuse us of doing what they're actually doing before we can drum up some sort of miniscule coverage of what they're doing

nip it in the bud - these people are master propagandists

they put us on defense

KEEP THEM ON DEFENSE MY FRIENDS!!!

What a zoo!

There are no real news organizations any more.  There's not a real effort to report the facts - almost everyone's interested in promoting an agenda instead of finding out the truth. 

It's all BS any more and it's getting to be a waste of time to try to sort it all out.

Corporate....

It's all corporate run, and everyone covering their own butts. The corruption of this country is as bad as it is because everything is now "too big to fail". The Democrats want everyone to work for big government, the Republicans want everyone to work for big corporations and the small businessman gets to pay for it all...When small businesses are taxed completely into the ground(soon?) that's when it'll be really over. The left fear Sarah Palin because she was viewed by supporters of both sides as a reformer. The last thing the Dems or the Reps want is reform. They would be heavily hamstrung by the 10th amendment if it were enforced...This country needs Government and Politician reform way more than Health Reform. Health and everything else would fall into place once the size of the Federal Government is slashed to one twentieth of what it is now. My two cents....

I have a question

Who is Howard Kurtz?

"What a revoltin' development this is!"

Chester Riley

Even if Howie Kurtz was right (partially).

... of course, he's not.. but.

Then would it not be explicitly a piece of cake to argue that well, OK.. Fox flipped on this one..  and the entire rest of the national mainstream media flipped on all of the rest of the protesters at all of the other protested issues? 

(;~> gary 

 

 

Looney protesters?

This one really gets under my claw:

JON STEWART, "THE DAILY SHOW": Of course you [O'Reilly] don't describe the protesters as loons. What kind of monster would describe honest Americans voicing their political opinions that way?

Answer. The MSM - that monster, Jon. 

The issue here, Jon Stewart and Howie Kurtz, is not how Fox news (or O'Reilly) is describing the protesters; rather, it's how the national mainstream media is describing these protesters. They are describing them as racists, radicals, hate mongers, mobs, Nazi's, etc.

O'Reilly was simply trying to have an extended discussion about why conservative protesters are treated as "looney" filthy dirt by the national media, while liberal protesters are generally put on a pedistal as good for the cause - your cause.

(;~/ gary 

 

It's not just the MSM, Gary

The politicians have been describing the protesters that way, too.

FeynmanFan

Indeed -- and the lefties on the street, as well. It's all out war on the right - from the left. Complete intolerance - otherwise known as bigotry.

(;~/ gary

The protesters at the 2004 RNC were loons.

 They were not honest Americans voicing their political opinions.

The protesters at the 2004 Republican convention at which many were arrested for vandalism, arson, & assault

At least 250 people were arrested outside the Republican Convention last night as police used tear gas and pepper spray to disperse rioters attacking property and blocking roads in protest at the war in Iraq.

They had come in their thousands – grandmothers, veterans, young families and even disgruntled Republicans bearing banners and peace flags, to demand an end to the five-year conflict. And for the most part, the demonstrations passed off peacefully.

But once the main antiwar march had finished, splinter groups embarked on a violent rampage, smashing windows, slashing car tyres, throwing bottles and even attacking Republican delegates attending the nearby Xcel Centre.

Many of those involved identified themselves to reporters as anarchists. These protesters, some clad in black, wreaked havoc by damaging property and starting at least one fire.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF - not for nudity, I suspect.

Thanks for the memories [Bob Hope].

You bring one up, for me. During the 2004 Convention...  I remember one of the network news stations was covering a protest march in New York. The reporters, anchors (including the nightly anchor -- I cannot remember which network, so help me) correspondents and guests were all sitting behind the glass curtain wall on the street level. They were enthralled and connecting - ah, a grand American outpouring of free-speech - with the quite colorful (vile) and angry mob of protesters.

Suddenly the lefty group, ACT, marched by. They might have been a bit difficult to recognize, as they were marching in the nude - but they had their banners and signs. They were protesting President Bush for his refusal to address and fund the fight against HIV/Aids.

This must have been pre-arranged, as immediately it was announced that the representatives of ACT were going to 'put on some clothes' and would shortly make a surprise appearance on the panel.

Once on, they were allowed to spew their hate at Bush, etc., with their view that he could care less about the plight of HIV/Aids sufferers in the world. Not a single challenge to these ignorant folks would be offered up by this ignorant panel of America's news folks on the fact that  President Bush was already on historic standing here, in that moment, of being the most important person on the planet in the fight against HIV/Aids, as he had proposed, submitted, got passed by congress, and had implemented billions of $'s in what turned out to be a life-saver for millions of people in 3rd world countries (notably Africa) - on several fronts - including PEPFAR and his personal fight to beat Malaria. 

The whole world is aware of what President Bush accomplished in the world in these many bold efforts, except the MSM.

It's sickening.

(;~/ Gary 

 

 

 

 

Yes sir. Thanks.

  And people expect Fox to repect these loons and treat them as the would honest citizens going to town halls to speak to their representatives? No, not gonna happen. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I looked on many of the anti-Bush protesters with contempt...

...but I never once suggested they should not have the right to express their views.

Many on the left are currently doing all they can to take away my right to dissent, up to and including employing the police powers of government to do so.

Screw them.

And who the hell still watches CNN anymore, anyway? I deprogrammed that hideous network from my Comcast remote a looooooooong time ago.

LOL-Relyable Sources they are, if you ask me.

-Dave

RULE 13 FROM ALINSKY...

 RD,

I will take your point about protesting & just say this...Say what you need to say, make your pointdo your thing, & bring your props if you need them. That is what protesting is all about, but when the left does it, too often you see lots of vandelism. WTO in Seattle, WTO anywhere in fact. Here in Minnesota in St.Paul, the leftist idiots were protesting the GOP convention, that's fine, but why all of the broken windows on buisinesses in the area near the X-Cel Energy Center where the convention was held?

Have a look at the Town Hall protests, they were a bit noisy, but peacefull...that is untill Obama's ACORN/SEIU thugs hit the scene. People being shoved, threatened, & whatever else was needed for the Obama goon squads to make their point. The video does'nt lie. The best part about this whole deal is seeing the left react to seeing RULE 13 FROM ALINSKY used against them. The progressives/libs on Capital Hill & the MSM are up in arms over this. I am having fun watching them getting really pissed about not knowing how to deal with their own $h!t, esspecially when everyone with a brain knows who has TOTAL CONTROL of EVERYTHING in Washington DC.

Maybe if CNN, MSNBC, & the rest of the ButtBoyMedia would report about that in an honest manner, they would not be in the trouble they are in. But they are, & it's because they still think we the people are dumb enough to forget...NOT ME, or many others I know.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Where's the flip-flop?

KURTZ: Clarence, hasn't Fox, in fact, flipped -- some Fox hosts, I
should say -- from slamming liberal protesters to defending these
anti-Obama protesters, some of which -- some of whom are very
articulate and some of whom seem a little confused about some of the
facts?

I assume Kurtz is referring to Fox's opinion hosts like O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck.  So if these guys oppose protestors they disagree with and support protestors they agree with, where's the flip-flop?  I don't recall these Fox opinionmeisters saying protesting was right or wrong.  They supported or opposed the messages of the respective groups.  That's completely consistent.

“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)

so if i'm reading this

so if i'm reading this right, fox new personalities were justified in their depictions of anti-war demonstrators because of the feelings involved. you seem to be legitimizing this notion that they were, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemies, and they should be derided because the war evokes more emotions than anything else.

but aren't you also ignoring the over-the-top reactions to health care? people are being hung in effigy, being compared to hitler, showing up with guns, people making death threats... all over health care?

Liberals like cathartic1 point to rare and unusual...

and claim it is the usual.  Most of the acts he mentioned might have just as well been perpetuated by the left as well as the right.  The left will never acknowledge it, but the Hitler name calling started with Pelosi.  Methinks cathartic1 watches too much MSNBC.  It was common and usual for the war protesters to resort to violence.  I live in Santa Barbara and remember waking up one morning to the news that a nearby Bank of America branch bank was burned to the ground.  Jim Webster

well that's interesting.

well that's interesting. not too long ago i talked about how michelle malkin was posing with a guy that was a holding a sign with a swastika in the "o" for obama. that photo was taken around february 17th. [that's not even a month for the current president]

the cnn protester who bagged by cnn was complaining about obama-as-hitler posters during the tea party protests - on or around april 15th. nancy pelosi made her meathead statement in what... this month? yeah, you're right, she started it all...

→ cathartic1

Yours is a typical cheap shot.

The photo to which you refer bears no indication Michelle knew the guy in the photo was holding that sign.

In fact, it looks like a "hey, can I take a picture of myself with you, Michelle?"

Meanwhile there's another camera taking a picture of them both.

Now I get to play your game.  You just hate Michelle because she's asian, and you want to raise the spectre of that whole Nazi/Japanese  thing.  No surprise you'd pull your racist tricks.

She's no willing accomplice in that man's setup.  But you're willing to say she is.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

uh, okay. i'm assuming

uh, okay. i'm assuming you're joking?

the point is not about michelle at all, and whether or not she knew the guy is irrelevant. the guy is there with his little sign. and that showed up waaaaaaay before nancy pelosi made her statement. in fact, wouldn't that mean that she was right about people showing up with nazi signs? oh no, of course not...

→ Of course I'm joking

I just made note of the fact you felt it necessary to link Michelle Mallkin with Nazism.

It's the same trick the guy in the photo pulled.

But you?  Racist?  Naaaahhhh!

You just like to sow the thoughts.  (Just like the guy in the picture)

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

awesome! so someone says

awesome! so someone says that this is all nancy's fault with the nazi stuff and i try to demonstrate this started before her statement and i'm a racist who's making... links... to something. yeah, i don't know either....

→ Then we agree

Somebody says Nancy Pelosi took a cheap shot generality about Town Hall participants, and you use it to link an Asian looking woman with Hitler.

Yeah, that about sums it up.  I understand your angle.

You and FDR could have some interesting conversations, I'd wager.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

well can you explain it to

well can you explain it to me because i'm not getting it. seriously.

→ cathartic

Having seen your genuine ignorance, I think I can tell when it's feigned.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Nope, still not getting

Nope, still not getting it.

Who's on first?

Nope, not clear to me either.  But what's very clear to him is that you're a racist.

The bigot pops out the racist word.

   We see one prejudiced person here. It is you bigot.

  • Main Entry: big·ot
  • Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
  • Function: noun
  • Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
  • Date: 1660

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic or political group) with hatred and intolerance 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

"not too long ago i talked

"not too long ago i talked about how michelle malkin... blah blah blah"

Not too long ago? Sorry, we'll have to try and do a better job of keeping up with all of your of 'columns' and profound pronouncements. 

The reason Hitler is invoked so much lately...

is because of what "Nazi" stands for.  It stands for "National Socialism" and apparently that is what Obama stands for also.  Why else did he take over the banks and car companies and is now pushing "Cap and Trade" and takeover of the Health Industry?  National Socialism=Government Control of our lives from womb (abortion) to grave (Death Panels).  Obama poses the greatest danger to Freedom since Hitler.  Jim Webster

catartic1 is the only over the top reaction I see.

people are being hung in effigy - No, No, No. People have not been hung in effigy for hundreds and hundreds of years. This is the very first time it has ever been done.

being compared to hitler - One person with a little swastika with the NO symbol over it. And one ultralefty with Obama wearing a Hitler mustache. Oh dear gawd, it is a bonafide trend! 2 peoples! Oh dear, someone stop the madness!

showing up with guns - 1 guy. Legally walking around with his legal guns. Again with the trends! Dear dear dear, please please please stop the madness.

people making death threats - cartartick1 is the only one I see talking about death threats. You starting a trend cartick1?

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Right on, right on!

Jim Webster

well i can tel lyou don't

well i can tel lyou don't watch the news. it was rep kartovil who was hung in effigy.

there were definitely more than two people with obama-as-hitler signs. this started within a month of obama's first term, which i've stated above.

sure, people have a right to have a gun, and in certain states, can walk around unconcealed. but does that mean that people should show up at a town meeting with a gun?

i've posted an issue wherein the secret service had been called in to deal with a guy holding up a death threat to the prez, his wife and his kids. should i link it again?

now that i think about it, it probably doesn't matter, does it? as you wrote, this is a right-leaning site; so now everything that people do against the left is now 100% acceptable, right?

You any relation to nwahs?

it was rep kartovil who was hung in effigy - Did I deny it Cartick? I said it is a time honored tradition going back hundreds of years.

there were definitely more than two people with obama-as-hitler signs - LIE. There issue here is town hall protests. Town Halls. You do remember saying over-the-top reactions to health care? Huh? Remember? Huh? Health care and the protests against it became an issue at Town HallsTown Hall protests that were specifically mentioned in Mr. Sheppard's article. You lying to us Carstickups?

but does that mean that people should show up at a town meeting with a gun - LIE. The guy with the gun was at a protest long before a meeting, outside on the street.

i've posted an issue wherein the secret service had been called in... - Yes. Do. And make sure it squares up with your over-the-top reactions to health care and is not in fact some loon that has no connection with the town hall protests whatsoever. over-the-top reactions to health care. Remember? That is the context in which you brought it up.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

PS: Once again, a lefty loon posts a link that discredits his own argument. Case in point - His link about Krotovil. That is how some AFP members ended up coming, but they were disgusted by his behavior. So we have an isolated loon linking to another article that shows the disgusting behavoir of another isolated loon.

I can't imagine

I can't imagine the level of narcissism the would make you believe those disagreeing with you are related. Again, I hesitate to have fun at your expense, because I don't think you are joking or using rhetoric. I think you're in a very dark place.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

I can. From your wikipedia entry -

 Nwahs

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Nwahs is a user on the site Newsbusters. He is known for taking isolated incidents and attempting to parlay them into national trends. He is also known for posting lies about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, his most recent claim being that Mr. Hannity was born in Canada.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

really, dude?

Posting embarrassing things about nwahs on wikipedia? That could qualify as harrassment.

 

Click on the link candance.

It is teh jokiness and now nwahs has been clued in. Thanks for blowing the joke and making me look like teh Dr. Evils.

I is all teh hurt and I think I will stop posting as I am getting verklempt. Everyone thanks the candance.

Yikes. You need a hobby. 

Yikes. You need a hobby. 

I am serious about this

That person is disturbed, and I'm not going to make fun of him.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Shawn

Shawn,

He was yanking your chain. The links were all bogus. Just a joke. Pretty funny when you think about it. You can do it to me sometime. :-)  ns

Oh I know - I google me all the time

I was going by other posts :) And I'm being mild! Should've seen the acronyms flying my way last night :)It would make a sailor blush.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

→ Sorry Noel

I tried to link to shutupnoelsheppard.com and the link doesn't work anymore.

Good times!  Good times!

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

CA

CA,

Don't remind me! Do you remember what that was about?  ns

→ Help Noel

I di'int go to skule.  I em stuk in Irak!

In a Stephen King novel, no less!

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Should I? No. It would be too brazen. Really, Should I? Hmmm.

  Ok. It is discussed here Mr. Sheppard.

→ JWF

If that's Noel singing, he looks extremely dapper in this presentation.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

JWF and CA

JWF and CA,

You guys had me worried for a second. :-)  ns

NS

When I'm howling out loud in front of NewsBusters.org, 98% of the time it's to a JWF posting.

Sorry, he is currently our resident funny man. We need him. Much of what he does is basically saying to the ones that give us a headache a lot around here, "I don't give a rat's *ss anymore, and I'm just going to be goofy with you. We're mad as hell..." and that whole line.

 

Awwww. Did teh baby hobbit gets a feelings in teh hurtings?

  Found your entry on the german wikipedia.

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Die balboa (engl. Hirnlose Wichser) waren eine deutsche Newsbusters aus Berlin-Reinickendorf, die ihren musikalischen Stil als „Punkrock mit Trompete“ zusammenfasst. Die LOSER löste sich im Februar 2008 nach einer Abschlusstournee auf.

okay now i have no idea

okay now i have no idea what you're talking about. i honestly don't know what your second paragraph is about.

but there have been more than once incident in which a gun has shown up. i have a feeling that you're thinking about the guy in arizona, but he may not have been alone on that day.

as for the guy with the death threat, i don't know what his connections are. how would i? would it matter to you if he were related to the town halls?

plus, you seem obsessed with these being isolated incidents - does that make you feel better to think of them that way?

As I have repeatedly asked nwahs, are you deef or dense or both?

 I'll sum up

Catwalk1: Health care! They are hanging peoples over health care! They is showing teh nazi's over health care! Guns! Death threats! I is scared! Health care! Over the big tops!

JWF: you are referring to isolated incidents and trying to exaggerate them into big national trends.

Cakewalk1: watch teh news! There was ONE hangings of teh effigies! That makes it a national trend! Shootings at teh town halls! Ahhhhhhh! Secret Service does their job! They investigates teh death threats. I is scared again! There was more than 2 peoples with the obamby/hitler/bozo connectoids on teh signage!

JWF: No, there were exactly 2 signs with nazi paraphernalia. Don't lie to us like nwahs.

Catpoop1: Huh. I can't click on a link. I can't understand 2 paragraphs. What is a connectoid? How am I? Do I matter? You debunked my isolated incidents that I tried to portray as national trends. I calls you obsessed so I can make you fell better?

JWF: Whatever Nicky Nutjob.

In all cases where firearms

In all cases where firearms were worn the police were there also and they did not seem to be too out of sorts with teh idea; only incindiary people like you.  The Secret Service did not seem to concerned or they would have taken action.  As far as the death threats Presidents get them all the time and the Secret Service determines the threat potential sometimes detaining the individuals and sometimes not.

Troll on Dudedette.

Liberals sound alike because most of the media is...

Liberal and yet still they want it all.  They want to drive Fox and Talk Radio as well as the internet out of the national discourse.  Well, let me tell them something.  As long as we have Freedom in America, it ain't gonna happen!  Jim Webster

Nope

you're reading it wrong.

First, the fox news peronalities they are speaking of are pundits--and pundits put forth opinion.

Second, Health care protesters recently depicted may be angry, but they are largely law-abiding.  The protesters in 2004 were largely anarchists, bent on breaking the law by setting fires, destroying  and stealing property. You don't see hundreds of health care protesters being hauled away to jail like you did during the antiwar protests.

Finally, "this notion that they were, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemies." There is no "notion" about it. By attacking the US administration they help the enemy by destroying the administraions credibility and they embolden the enemy by causing them to believe they win, if they can only hang on. Read the history of the American Revolution--maybe you can break the code. 

"Beware the fury of the patient man." - John Dryden

okay. but that's what the

okay. but that's what the whole daily show piece was about: the pundits who were deriding protesters are defending them now.

i would disagree that the anti-war protesters were anarchists. did they do stupid things? absolutely. but no one ever argued that they were average americans who represent the anger within america - which is the theme now of the same fox news pundits.

your last section, by extension, would also include people who protest obama. i'm a regular watcher of hannity (for some reason), and he has, on plenty of occasions, argued that obama has weakened our national defense and emboldened our enemy. last time i checked, we're still at war - isn't hannity giving aid and comfort to our enemies now?

What I find amazing

Is the the people of any political ideology, that honestly believe their side doesn't spin. I can't imagine the mire these people tread, afraid to be separated from their tribe. Its an anthropology lesson. Without a doubt.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

→ You're right nwahs.

Hillary lashes out at a young black African man, (remind you of anyone?) because she's feeling fat and having a bad hair day (according to left-wing talkshow gossips).

Other than calling Bill's campaign manager a "Jew bastard", I'd say she's acted with civility towards men.

Hillary must be a racist, though.

How's that for spin?

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Both sides spin

 I'm not going to argue any side doesn't spin - and these days to a point of absolute hypocrisy. But you have people here ( just as on the Daily KOS) saying their side doesn't spin, or doesn't spin as much.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

→ And I agree

I have to admit I'm less adept at spinning against those with whom I most agree.  (yes 24enak, 'whom' is the correct word here).

My favorite, actually, was something I thought up before the last Iraq war.

President Bush, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi, so you naturally need to invade Iraq?  Do they all look alike to you?

I've often wondered if any Democrat had asked that question from the floor of Congress, whether things might have happened differently.

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Not to go off in space

But the example you brought up, haven't you ever wondered why we haven't held Saudi Arabia more accountable?

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

→ nwahs

I was wondering it then, and I wonder to this day.

There's no doubt the Saudis bankrolled the "Hate America First" madrassas.  They did it because it deflected the hate from themselves to an enemy far away.

 

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nwahs

"or doesn't spin as much."

Well clap clap clap on that one. That is exactly what we painstakingly PROVE with facts and sources and data -- that our side (basically, the non-liberal progressive, non-America hating side) does not spin as much.

CORRECTION: Does not spin nearly as much. It is two different stratospheres, IMO.

 

cath

cath,

"i would disagree that the anti-war protesters were anarchists. did they do stupid things? absolutely. but no one ever argued that they were average americans who represent the anger within america - which is the theme now of the same fox news pundits." 

Do you remember what group organized many of the larger anti-war protests when Bush was in office? Let me clue you in: http://answer.pephos...

Steering Committee:
                        IFCO/Pastors for Peace
                        Free Palestine Alliance - U.S.
                        Haiti Support Network
                        Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF
                        Nicaragua Network
                        Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Philippines
                        Korea Truth Commission
                        Muslim Student Association - National
                        Kensington Welfare Rights Union
                        Mexico Solidarity Network
                        Party for Socialism and Liberation       

You were saying? ns

okay. and what's the

okay. and what's the relation between this and my post? were the anti-war protests organized? sure...but what's the point?

cathartic1

(Good LORD what is going on here with you and nwahs) what is YOUR point?

NS's point is to show you that, INDEED, one group is organized, the other group is NOT. You took issue at the treatment of the two groups, and ns is showing you WHY they are treated differently.

I need a break from this site. Or an Advil.

 

Shy

Shy,

That, and he/she said they weren't anarchists. In fact, many of them were.

Funding for anti-war protests during the Bush years came from numerous anti-American entities from around the world. This has been the case since the '60s!!!

You can't say that about Tea Partiers and town hall meeting protesters.  ns

well it's the thing about

well it's the thing about the level of organization that's confusing me. are you saying that if it's organized, a protest is illegitimate? that's it ripe for ridicule or denegration?

cath

cath,

Well, how many Democrats -- including Obama!!! -- have you heard claim that the town hall meeting protesters are organized and therefore shouldn't be heard or taken seriously? 

Your answer to this question will determine whether or not I have any interest in furthering this discussion. If I don't respond to your reply, you failed. :-)  ns

I've heard it a-plenty. I

I've heard it a-plenty. I would imagine that they think they're making a political argument. But I think we're getting away from the main point: this is about the talking heads on Fox; politicians make political arguments, and the argument here is that so are the pundits on Fox.

But what about my question: were the anti-war protests illegitimate?

→ Legitimate

Cindy Sheehan had a dog in the fight.  She lost her son.

And, yes, the right did its best to discredit her because of the estranged nature of her relationship with her son.

But, praise be to God, I never walked in her shoes.

As was noted a couple of days ago, she's now useless to the MSM.  Charlie Gibson is even saying "Enough, Already!"

What say you to Charlie Gibson's about-face?

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cath (arrrrrrggggg)

"were the anti-war protests illegitimate?"

According to reports (just one event/example) of the 2004 Republican convention protesters, 1,000 were ILLEGITIMATE. They were rioting and breaking the law, and were arrested.

According to all reports that I've seen, of all the town hall meetings across the country, 0 -- that's zero, none, nada, zip -- protesters were illegitimate.

Are you going to keep this up?

 

cath

cath,

Illegitimate? No. I think there were many people in America opposed to the Iraq War both before and after things went downhill in the second half of 2003. However, I think there was a staggering amount of funding and outside sources stirring the sentiment for anti-American reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with the war.

Taking this a step further, I think there were many people who were for the invasion in March 2003 who became anti-war either when things started going poorly or when it became a rallying cry to beat Bush and the GOP in November 2004.

Remember that in March 2003, polls showed 75 percent of the nation in favor of the invasion. People seem to forget that. As a result, much of the anti-war sentiment later on was from people who supported sending troops into harm's way.

Frankly, such people disgust me. How 'bout you?  ns

I think the comparison of

I think the comparison of the anti-war movement to the anti-Obamacare movement is a bit of an apples and oranges type of argument: the antiwar crowd should be a bit more... emotional. Now I'm not saying either one is contrived, mind you... it's just I think there is a loss of perspective when it comes to the whole Obamacare thing. [Then again, there's a loss of perspective on both sides, but why are people losing their minds over health care... I don't recall this kind of problem when Bush tried to retool Medicare!]

But in respect to your comments on the war: I slightly agree, but for different reasons. I see a big factor to the decline in public opinion ties into what happened. I would argue a huge chunk of it comes from the fact that no weapons were found. And then a series of decisions that bespoke of confusion (the lack of response to the looting, the sudden and deep de-Baathification order, the switch to a free-market system) led to a situation that was unraveling. Fast. Then the body count started going up. Fast. I see it as we lost control of a situation that should never have been ours to control in the first place. Afghanistan, however, is a complete different story.

I don't see it as a "get Bush" thing. I'm sure there are some liberals that do think that way, and honestlythat disgusts me. I'm also sure that no one here will believe me on that, but I accept that as a symptom of what our country has become in the past decade or so.

I'm really not understanding this

People aren't supposed to get emotional over a life-and-death issue like healthcare? Old folks are being told to "take a pain pill" and live without heart surgery....and they shouldn't be emotional??

Then the body count started going up. Fast. I see it as we lost control of a situation that should never have been ours to control in the first place. Afghanistan, however, is a complete different story.

Soldiers are still dying in Iraq to this day. Where are the protests? Oh, that's right, they literally told Cindy Sheehan to buzz off. Guess it really was all about Bush.

Well, people are already

Well, people are already being denied healthcare under the current system - how many people protest that? How many people picket and protest the insurance companies that make those decisions?

As for Iraq, sure the violence has died down, although not in recent days. But I think we can agree that it's not like what it was back in the beginning. Come on...

right, cath

I'm supposed to protest in the streets over total strangers who can't afford insurance. But I shouldn't get upset about the governmnent "helping" them by rationing care from me and mine.

But I think we can agree that it's not like what it was back in the beginning.

So dead soldiers are only tragic when they occur in large numbers?

Ugh. 1) rationing is

Ugh.

1) rationing is already happening. Right now. Prior to Obamacare.

2) When it comes to public opinion: yes. While we would both say that any death is a tragedy, from a public opinion standpoint, it unfortunately boils down to numbers. Take the death of homeless people in this country for example.

yay for rationing

Since we've been forced to deal with a little rationing, we should dive headfirst into total rationing. What could go wrong?

 

 

candance & cath

What cath and liberals are shouting from their progressive rooftops:

"Things are already sorta messed up now, so join us, won't you?.... The Make Things a Potential Gov'mint Bureaucracy Nightmare train leaves right away. Come on board, one and all !!!!!"

right

Maybe when all those dealers can get paid for clunker rebates they submitted a month ago, or maybe when they actually spend the other 90% of the stimulus money approved in February, then they can maybe bring up the idea without being laughed out of the room.

 

→ There you go cathartic

What you've just said is that since the system already has problems, we should further divert funding from it.

Brilliant!

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Hey guys, the armchair general is talking. Everyone shut up.

  K. Go ahead General Catsack1 of the 3rd Calvary Loons Armchair Regiment. You have our rapt attention. Tell us all about your opinion of how the war went Uncle Nutty.

  You have good company. Lt. Gen. Pewah of the 2nd armchair cowardly revisionist history brigade.

  I have contacted the Pentagon. You are now on the list of top priority contacts in case war will ever break out again. Oh and thanks for approving of Afghanistan. We will now rescind the retreat orders. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Holy crap. Please give me

Holy crap. Please give me some of what you're smoking. Seriously, son. Seriously.

cathartic1

I don't see it as a "get Bush" thing.

It was a "get Bush" thing. Believe me. Believe us. That's all it was ever about in the end.

That's what almost all of it was about, from 2003 (I recall nonsense and negativity being thrown his way a week into the war -- they SO wanted this to fail) right up until they all shouted "Hey hey hey, good byyyyyye!!" to the poor guy in DC.

This decade was the "get Bush" decade. There will never be one like it again. Period.

Cath, we're experts in this field. NB has been busting this since 2005, right when we were in the thick of the down period in Iraq, and when the Bush vitriol was somehow ratcheted up yet another notch.

What sickens me the most, is that I feel the media and all the radical Bush-revilers have a whole lot of blood on their hands. They were selling the Iraq war as a lost mission and a quagmire BEFORE it ever even started to look like one for a while there. Think, in the early parts of 2004 -- just a year into the war -- they were selling it as this awful war we were stuck in, and doing all they could in working to get Bush/Cheney, the "War Mongering Administration", out of the W.H..

They helped BIG TIME to embolden the enemy and fuel so much of that instability. Luckily, we pulled through eventually.

 

Well look, I'm not walking

Well look, I'm not walking into this one. I could argue that people want to absolve Bush of any responsibility of what happened, but there's no point. I don't doubt your sincerity, so let's just agree to disagree, aight?

cath

"I could argue that people want to absolve Bush of any responsibility of what happened, but there's no point."

Got any examples of people "obsolving Bush of any responsibility" ?? Even just one? Like an article, something on YouTube, someone here saying something like, "Bush did no wrong and is not responsible as CiC for any problems in Iraq, Afghan, bailouts, etc.!!" ???

If you request examples of people calling him a blood-thirsty murderer, a war-mongerer, calling for trials for war crimes, calling for his head (forget stinkin' trials!), a racist, the worst president in the history of presidents, hopes for his assassination -- oh, examples of MOVIES made about a make-believe assassination of him -- a nazi, a fascist, a nazi-fascist, pure evil, an evil genius, the dumbest dunce the world has ever known.... and many, many more, I will provide you with tens of thousands of examples. Really, I will. From clips to articles, to friends I know, relatives, people at work, you name it.

Again, just ask and I shall deliver.

 

"the antiwar crowd should

"the antiwar crowd should be a bit more... emotional"

OK you liberally justified that one. What's next??

"a loss of perspective when it comes to the whole Obamacare thing."

Is changing our republic to or leaning toward a socialistic country so unimportant to you? Is your party, partisan loyalty so strong that you have to be in chains before you recognize that the loss of te republic is far graver than our invlvement in a regional war?

" but why are people losing their minds over health care.."

 

It's the economy stupid!! Its the life and health of the republic. You are making it easier for me to understand the leftist mind. Apparently, you folks do not plan ahead and try to avoid the possibility of unintended consequences.

misterbill

BRAVO, MB !!!! :)

Planning ahead was also the thinking behind liberating from tyranny and planting (to some degree, at least) two democracies in the Middle East.

 

wouldn't it be crazy, shy

if Iraq ended up with more true democracy than us. How many czars with no public accountability do they have?

 

cathartic1

Well, you're moving the goal posts now of the argument, but essentially, YES. YES, if the organizers are predominantly the ones NS was giving you examples of.

We are clearly demonstrating how the two groups/types of protesters -- ones now at town halls, who by all accounts are, at WORST, local folks and neighbors "organizing" in some groups, perhaps, to attend these events and voice their opinions, vs. ones at GOP conventions -- are different beasts entirely.

I think we've exhausted this whole issue, and it should all make sense to you now.

No more, right? (please??? :)) 

 

Well, maybe one more. I

Well, maybe one more.

I think the one thing that's been brought up is that the people who were arrested were protesting a war. A war that people felt was illegitimate (either because of Bush, or the Democrats, both, whatever), ill-executed and ill-conceived.

Now people want to compare that to health care and you're noticing a difference. You should! War bring out the crazy people... health care really shouldn't.

But people who protested the war, peacefully or no, were all lumped in with the crazies by the Fox pundits. And the people who protested Obamacare are all patriots, regardless of what they are doing, what gun they happen to be carrying, or what Nazi reference they make...

yawn

Sending volunteer soldiers into a country full of rampant corruption to stop a madman that Clinton had called evil.

VS

Allowing the government to ration life-saving medicine and make backroom deals with medical companies after promising not to do it.

But people who protested the war, peacefully or no, were all lumped in with the crazies by the Fox pundits.

Please produce proof of anyone on Fox saying peaceful protestors were as bad as the criminals. I can show you proof of MSM reporters telling peaceful TEA partiers that they were not suitable for family televsion.

Well your statement's just

Well your statement's just a matter of spin, isn't it? As for proof, I thought the Daily Show already did it for me, no?

 

Jon Steward?

Steward played a five-second sound bite from BOR. And he failed to mention the inconvenient fact that a bunch of protestors had been arrested, to which BOR was referring, and not the protest movement as a whole.

Try again.

 

→ No

And, BTW, No!

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well --I'm gone

when someone is so jejune as to use that lumpp for substantiation--I know I am not having a discussion with an adult.
Ciao!

tired of liberal

tired of liberal lies

"the antiwar crowd should be a bit more... emotional. Now I'm not saying either one is contrived, mind you... it's just I think there is a loss of perspective when it comes to the whole Obamacare thing. [Then again, there's a loss of perspective on both sides, but why are people losing their minds over health care"

Cindy Sheehan had a right to be emotional as she lost a son in Iraq. Most of the protesters didn't and used the anti-war movement as a way of attacking Republicans and Bush.  But I do get pretty emotional if you try to take my kids healthcare coverage away to pass a national healthcare bill with a single payer system to compete against private insurance which will eventually compel our employers to join us up by penalizing companies with higher taxes for offering private insurance or having them pay higher healthcare costs than their competitors.

What's the excuse for Nancy Pelosi calling townhall protesters un-American.  Could you have imagine the outrage if any Republican Speaker labled anti-war protesters calling our troops murderers while we were at war un-American.  What the heck is all the emotionalism from Democrat politicians now all about?

 

→ stunned

I believe it was Pennsylvania's favorite son, Jack Murtha (D) who made the claim our troops were murderers.

He was later proven to be infected with foolishness, and went on to accuse his own constituents of racism.

But who's keeping tabs on ignorant liberals, anyway?

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Its not about health care,

Its not about health care, its about the money thegovernment will confiscate due to laws regulating how the medical practice and care of your health will work.  It boils down to money and who the money is coming from and who it is going to.

Thw USA has one of the best if not the best care in the world.  Why are we changing it, to serve about 12 million citizens who cant afford regular helthcare.  There will always be the poor and indigent who dont get regular or timely health exams and care.  Even under any government system there will be.

I am protesting the government takeover and having a system where we have no say in our care.

→ We have a good Bingo!

It's always about the money sifting through the hands of the beaureaucrats' fingers.

Healthcare is 1/6th of our economy.  Just the money that falls off onto the floor is a whole lot of influence.

Why do liberals automatically, in the face of absolute corruption, insist their leaders' motives are altruistic?

They're a bunch of Charlie Browns is what they are.

Tee up that football, Lucy.

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that's the whole game

The quickest way to win public support is to:

-say it's for starving children

-say it's for poor people dying of horrible diseases

-say it's high time for the greedy scum to pay

-say Republicans are blocking it to be mean

I actually read a story in Malkin's book where Axelrod convinced poor people in Chicago that an electricity price increase was a compassionate move to stop little old ladies from freezing during brownouts.

 

→ The Madrassa Axiom

A common teaching in Middle East madrassas is that poverty exists in the Muslim world because wealth is finite, and the greedy Americans hoard it to themselves.

Axelrod and Obama seem to have audited a couple of courses.

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CA

There is some truth to that-=-I have never given any money, knowingly, to a Muslim!!!LOL

Boy oh boy I do, every gallon of gasoline/diesel/ kilowatt/ hr.

Hawaii imports all fuel from Indonesia, ya know the largest moslem nation on the planet... The good thing is the Indonesians think Hawaii is a kingdom not related to the USA..(No Joke)

No nuks here ( lots in Pearl on ships) just 90% fuel oil fired power plants... some wind mills , geothermal, and more jokes of power production to come, wave action, bouy bobbing, any gov Grants any time, anything stupid we shall fund.

Niagara Falls froze over,jpg

niagara falls

Is this proof of global warming??

LOL--LOL

Climate crisis, only cooler next year...it's a HotCoolerCycle

 

IT'S A DRY COLD

Who gives a rat's ass about food loss.

Soah,That's on the list of  things to tax the fuk out of you...

it's cool you need it..sleeep..

No need to care about..FOOD

drilling or building nuks, rest of the world has  $1.06 trillion ready to go...building nuks like crazy....Build one here in Dennis Kucinich county..
winning Maui County, the only county won by Kucinich in either of his presidential campaigns..

yes it's Crazy DEEP blue here....

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we all do

Most people don't realize how our economy is run. Stuff we buy at the grocery store, department store, you name it, in some shape or form it ends up in a politician's hands.

 

exactly right, dan

A lot of us are protesting strongly because we feel in our souls that this is just the beginning. It boils down to nothing more than money and power.

 

IMO, iraq war vs. healthcare

The bureaucracy, the various added related programs and the increased inefficiency that government run healthcare would bring will end up costing more lives each year than the total of all American deaths in Iraq to date. Within two decades a federally run healthcare will compete each day with the worst months of the Iraq war. Of course the numbers will be hard to prove and this is only my opinion. Think of how many lives in healthcare lie in the balance of speed and flexibility. Now think of how those two terms, speed and flexibility, are a contradiction to all things bureaucratic.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

I don't like your comparison sir.

The Iraq war or any war is not like baseball. It is not a something that people can memorize and compare statistics.

Please use another base as comparison. Thanks.

Drink more coffee if you are

Drink more coffee if you are going to stay up late.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

1. No one was arrested for

1. No one was arrested for "protesting" the Iraq war. They were arrested for violent/threatening behavior, breaches of the peace, obstruction, attacking a policeman, and other offenses.

2.  The only people I can find arrested at a Town Hall were a couple of LEFT WING union thugs who viciously attcked a disabled conservative who happened to be black. Show me one example of violent behavior by folks protesting Obama. Shouting (even incoherently) at the congressman is not violence. That's called democracy.

3. The only guy carrying a gun was a blackman. And it was legal for him to do so. I am sure that if was not he would have been arrested.

4. As yet, it's not illegal for citizens to call people Nazis, even if they are wrong.. However, the only people with posters calling others "Nazis" at Town Hall rallies are followers of a left wing nutjob Lyndon LaRouche. Oh, and Mrs Nanzi Pelosi and her SWAS-TEA-KHAS.

Your so-called "points" are petty and incoherent. You sound remarkably confused. 

And yes, I really do enjoy seeing how upset leftists get when the nazi, brown shirt, gestapo sneers are finally thrown back in their faces; they being the actual leftist goons who have the real political link to the National Socialists of Hitler's Germany...

Makes me feel real good.

Thanks Barack! You've done more to promote conservatism than any president since Ronald Reagan (PBUH).

→ There are limits

If an organization fills buses with its members to be shipped to the homes of AIG executives, for the purpose of achieving a political goal, it lacks a certain ring of authenticity.

But I'm sure you fail to see the contrast between ACORN going on a paid bus trip, and unorganized Americans goint to Town Hall meetings only to be characterized as brownshirts.

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And I would agree with you

And I would agree with you (holy crap, right?). But at the same time, I would argue that there is/was some organization behind the town hall meetings.

Can I prove that? Nope. At least, not on the internet. I'm sure some people have on some level or another. But it's just my opinion.

cathartic1's gun with no bullets

"I would argue that there is/was some organization behind the town hall meetings.

Can I prove that? Nope. At least, not on the internet. I'm sure some people have on some level or another. But it's just my opinion." 

Good grief. Okay, we close the book on this one. I get the feeling you're not even embarrassed by all of this.

 

→ Similar concerns, maybe?

Is it not possible a bunch of older people, in revolt against their own lobby (AARP), decided they don't want to be tucked away for that long good-night.

If you think it takes a lot of "community organizing" to get people fired up about losing the healthcare to which they've become accustomed, you've got several thinks coming.

Do you think it was all "community organizing" that drew Americans together after 9-11?

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you're on to us cath

So a small business owner in my city set up a TEA party website, and I found my way to this site by Googling "TEA party in my city" where I was shockingly given an address and a time. The masterminds even recommended I use Mapquest to find the address if I didn't know where it was.

Then no one showed up with a bus, nobody called to make sure I was coming, no one provided a professional sign for me to hold, and no one there even knew who I was. A bunch of other people drove themselves downtown, and half got their cars towed by the city. No one sent a pro bono lawyer to help them get their car back.

But at one protest, a guy struck up a conversation and asked to facebook me because he didn't even know about NB or HotAir and wanted to get more informed. We now communicate on facebook. David Axelrod is jealous of our covert operation.

candance

"David Axelrod is jealous of our covert operation."

Haha. And George Soros is fuming, surely, screaming at his minions to investigate how these people pull it off, demanding every detail they can find under ever rock!

 

→ Got that right Shy

But unlike any of us, Soros can throw in a few million and leverage some Stimulus money, and voila!  There's an immediate run on cigarettes and booze in NYC.

That "back to school" stipend was nothing more than a dry run of things to come during election years.

Anybody wondering about that $630 billion Congress and Obama set aside in the Stimulus Bill for healthcare?

Sure don't hear it mentioned much, do you?  Maybe that's just Boss Wee-Wee's "walkin' around money".

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run on cigarettes and booze

You can just do like our current Commerce Secretary, who walked into a Buddhist temple, met with some poor monks, and magically found 14,000 dollars in campaign contributions.

 

→ WWBD

What would Buddha do?

What is it with Democrats and crooked Buddhists?

Seems like Al Gore did the same thing.  Didn't hear anybody questioning how a bunch of monks, having taken a vow of poverty, had money.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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Whistling in the wind

Of course there are powerful organizers behind the town hallers.

Cathartic1, I've read your comments and sympatize with your frustration over failingto get answer to your questions.  I can barely understand what some of these commenters are talking about.

Yes you would see. Bigots are good at that.

    The bigot identifies with the troll hoping to catch some of the troll flak. Too bad the fish aren't biting, huh bigot?

You make no sense

It must be getting late.

Awwwww. The hateful spiteful bigot expects people to make sense.

    Only hate makes sense in bigot world. Everything else confuses the bigot.

Anti American entities are funding Tea Partiers

The suggestion in these comments that the tea partiers and deathers showing up at the town halls are just average joes is laughable.

They are in fact very well organized and funded by the health care industry, right wing conservatives, among others, and given disproprtionate airtime and encouragement from Fox News and talk radio.  Your opinion that these supporters of the protesters are not anti-American is simply your opinion.

Those pulling the strings of the protesters foment hatred for Obama, Pelosi, etals.  They encourage those none-too-bright to believe the Dems want to kill grandma, euthanize the handicapped, and take away their healthcare and are quite despicable and un-American.  They are as un-American as those organizing and supporting the anti-war protesters.

Somebodies diaper is full

   Somebody please change the the 007bigot's diaper so he will quit whining.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Well if their so well funded

Well if their so well funded then where is my check?

says the astro turf who is

says the astro turf who is getting paid to post here, I based my opinion in the fact that you are engaging in what is called projection...

007dimmoAs a matter of

007dimmo

As a matter of fact...

 INTERNATIONAL ANSWER, the SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY, the COMMUNIST PARTY USA, and many more of the suspect usuals who organized the rather tiny and insignificant failed "anti-war protests" are proudly anti-American.

So your "point" is as fatuous as you are fat-headed.

And in case you miss my point, I am calling you a loony-leftist shill for all the aforementioned.

You also sound remarkably dim. Are you cracking my secret ad hominem attack code, putz?  Don't you have an Obama cult meet to attend?

Thanks Barack! You've done more to promote conservatism than any president since Ronald Reagan (PBUH).

Who are the Anti Americans?

Since you likely believe all the right wing propaganda about health care reform, the fact that the right wing propagandists are equally anti-American is a point that will be lost on you.

How about you bigot.

Who are the Anti Americans? - You bigot, that is who. You hate half of your fellow Americans just because they have a different ideology than you. And you are willing to spread lies to bring more people into your hate.

  You talk about propaganda yet we have not seen one iota of what that actual propanganda might be. Bigot.

Hate?

"You hate half of your fellow Americans just because they have a
different ideology than you."  But not you, I can tell you really love
those with a different ideaology.

"You talk about propaganda yet we have not seen one iota of what that actual propaganda might be."

About propoganda: those speaking against healthcare reform at the
townhalls are rather dimwittedly repeating idiotic talking points fed
to them by shameless, propogandist, anti-Americans. Or is it just that the MSM is
making the movement look bad by just reporting on the biggest fools
among the town hallers.

Someone give me examples of what you consider the
substantive arguments against reform you've heard at these townhalls.

 

Hey bigot...

 Do I look like I am going to engage you in conversation? I am here to spotlight you. You are here to spew hate.

Case in point. Calling your fellow Americans - dimwittedly  idiotic shameless, propogandist, anti-Americans.

007-is that you Jeanne

007-is that you Jeanne Garfolo! these people, you know-the angry americans speaking up-the ones you call un-americans, anyways they took the MSM by suprise because they (MSM) had expected the babyboomers/elderly and conservatives to be submissive, so of course they had to spin fast and hard to sell that these people speaking up agaisnt their beloved messiah  were anti-americans.  the good news is, no one beleives the crap the MSM spins anymore, look at the messiah rating it;s going down with you and your likeminded kind.  do us a favor, move to Cuba or to Veneuzla and leave America alone. 

please come back tomorrow and tell us what you think of Cindy Sheehan, she is starting her anti-war protest agaisnt Obama tmw (you know she was the democrat darling and American Hero for a few years when Bush was pres-just incase you forgot..) and tell us what the MSM is saying about her. so far Charlie Gibson has had enough of her...

you are pathetic-JAJT

Cindy Sheehan a Fox Favorite

As if she was at all relevant after her fifteen minutes of fame, as
if anyone still paid any attention to her but the right wing nuts.

After she proved herself wingnutty, you couldn't find a story about her in the MSM.  Of course, Fox News continued to feature her bloviating away as left wing nut red meat for their viewers.

Cindy Sheehan is the Joe the Plumber of the left, only the left stopped paying attention to her long ago.

 

 

 

The Propagandists are un-American

Jajt you accused:  "you know-the angry americans speaking up-the ones you call un-americans."  I didn't call them un-American.  I just think they're dupes.  What I actually said was that the propagandists were un-American:

"Those speaking against healthcare reform at the townhalls are rather dimwittedly repeating idiotic talking points fed to them by shameless, propagandist, anti-Americans."

Thos angry town hallers have been duped by propagandists.  As if the Medicare they receive, and which we'll have to pry from their cold dead fingers, is not already an efficient, government run, socialized, health care program.  As if Democrats want to kill grandma and euthanize their handicapped child.

Yes, they're convinced that Obama wants universal helath care for all so that he can carry out his master plan to kill their families.  That's the very effective politics of fear perpatrated by the propagandists.

Who would have ever believed you could convince millions that such rubbish is true?   Goebbels, easily.

 

don't you get it, shy?

Think like a liberal:

Sure a bunch of racist, anarchist, thug groups organized "every day Americans" in protest, and often the rallies turned violent with property destroyed, and veterans were often harrassed upon returning home, all thanks to money pouring in from foreign operatives.....

but BOR is a jerk so it doesn't matter.

candance

Exactly. I am literally laughing at the irony (script) not seen by Jon Stewart when he mocks (script?) BOR over calling many of the 2004 protesters loons and not doing the same (script, cough) for the town hall'ers, and proceeds to show the two clips..... one, of town folk at a town hall (script? two coughs, clears throat) and then one of rioters being pushed back by police.

 

ah, the irony

Liberals (forgot about meeting) are usually oblivious to (haven't finished tweaking) the total silliness and illogical results (check email) of their ideas.

 

candance

Yes, very (okay, I will) true. This from the people (hoping to have something fine-tuned enough to show the actors) who profess to be more (oh look!, an email) enlightened and intellectual, yet the noses on their faces (a last script and discussion should do it) elude them a lot of the time.

 

Catcrash1 the return troll is a trollin'.

  What troll was it that was banned 18 weeks ago and absolutely refused to use capitalization?

i would disagree that the anti-war protesters were anarchists. - Well now, that puts you in direct opposition to the protesters themselves not don't it?

     many were arrested for vandalism, arson, & assault

But once the main antiwar march had finished, splinter groups embarked on a violent rampage, smashing windows, slashing car tyres, throwing bottles and even attacking Republican delegates attending the nearby Xcel Centre.

Many of those involved identified themselves to reporters as anarchists. These protesters, some clad in black, wreaked havoc by damaging property and starting at least one fire.

last time i checked, we're still at war - isn't hannity giving aid and comfort to our enemies now? - This is too stupid to even refute. Do us a favor. Stop wasting oxygen. More important people need it.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

not using capitalization

not using capitalization doesn't make me a troll... it's just that i'm lazy.

i can't open your link, but all you've shown is that the people in a protest who spoke to reporters were anarchists. but you said that they were "largely anarchists". do you actually have stats?

as for sean hannity - that's precisely the point of the daily show skit and a lot of what i've been saying here: what was forbidden against bush is now perfectly acceptable under obama. why is it stupid to question why hannity can do this when other people couldn't under a republican president?

→ Cathartic

Can you tell us just what it was that was so "forbidden against Bush" that it wasn't said or done.

I assure you, there are many examples of more egregious behavior against Bush.

Case in point.  References to Bush as "Chimpy McHitler"

Go ahead, Cathartic, I dare you to make the same joke about Obama.

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ah, so now it's time for

ah, so now it's time for the ol' tit-for-tat. i believe the chimpy mchitler was bill maher, right?

hmmm. okay, so i can't make the same joke, but would this from a mayor trump that?

 

→ Hey Laxative!

Just an FYI.

You do know "cathartic" also carries the synonyms "purgative", and "laxative" don't you?

But, no!  Your analogy does not parallel, now does it.

If you really followed events, you'd know Mayor Grose RESIGNED.

So what you're left with is an admission that Democrats get away with hate-speech while Republicans get forced out of office (and rightfully so)

So while you're admiring the "Conscience of the Senate", Robert (KKK) Byrd,   you might take time to remember, Republicans won't put up with the racism you choose to overlook in Democrats.

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Hmm, you're right. Public

Hmm, you're right. Public officials are and should be held to a higher standard.

So what about Wiley Drake? Or Burt Prelutsky? Ted Nugent? Or the people at Free Republic?

→ Yeah, them

I've heard of Ted Nugent.  Shook his hand in San Antonio at the April 15th Tea Party.

Does that automatically make me a guitar god?

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Does your search function work?

  You are related to nwahs. I quoted an article. I never said largely. Paragrouper did. I quoted an article in a newspaper. You want stats. Contact the Times in the UK.Here is the address - News International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY.

I can open the link. How stupid are you? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4660503.ece

Try the top link in google - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Republican+Convention+protests+turn+violent+as+250+arrested+times+online&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

or try to google it yourself - Republican Convention protests turn violent as 250 arrested times online

Surely someone as dense as you can find it now. 

cathartic1

Really, use caps to begin sentences, it's not asking a lot. It's asking nothing, actually. Your excuse that you're "lazy" is numbingly dumb.

We're not all txt'ing pals here. We are mature, smart people discussing politics.... er..... exposing and combating LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS.

Seriously, it's hard to read your stuff and take you seriously. It's also just hard to read. Again, txting or chatting online is entirely something else, but that's not what this is. 

 

Okay, punkin. If it makes

Okay, punkin. If it makes y'all feel better.

Ps- See? We can all get along now!!!

cath1

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Btw, PS is not a sentence or a word, so you don't write "Ps". (I get the feeling this is your first time ever using caps. :p)

 

cathartic

Why do you have us all banging our heads against our respective walls?

the pundits who were deriding protesters are defending them now.

NEGATIVE. And we keep trying to show you the distinction.

The pundits who were deriding law-breakers (rioters, fire-setters, anarchists, etc.) are defending citizens who are protesting now, who are doing it completely lawfully, and something that is within their rights.

Let me know when you finally "get it".

 

If Howard Kurtz can't tell the difference between...

anti-Obama Care protesters and anti-war protesters, then he better review the tapes I'm sure he has access to, if he wants to take the time to watch.  I'm proud of the people who have stood up to their Senators and Congressman and have made their voices heard.  I too, don't want Obama care foisted upon the nation.  I'm embarrassed by the rioters and disrupters and bank burners who wanted us out of our wars and who called George Bush and previous presidents terrible names just because they didn't like their policies.  One group is clearly pro-American and the other was not.  Jim Webster

Noel is talking about me again.

   many Americans -- not just Fox News hosts! -- find anti-war protests distasteful once the military has been deployed and are in harm's way

  1. Wanting America/The President/The Military to fail in a war is treasonous and rational people are enraged by such statements.

  2. Calling other behavior treasonous diminishes the word and should be roundly condemned by rational people.

  3. You want to oppose this war, fine. Just don't wear it like it's a boy scout badge. It is not some kind of couragous behavior.

  4. Congress declares war. Not the President. They did so in Oct of 2002. You had time prior to that, and then another 4 full months until Mar 2003 to voice your opposition. Once the troops hit the ground, and most especially once they are under fire, it is no longer the time to voice opposition. America should speak with one voice after that.

  5. The only acceptable dissent after the troops come under fire is how we should best achieve victory. Sen. McCain & Gen. Petraeus were good examples.

   6. You have a problem with the war or reasons for entry thereof. Take it up with the 535 members of Congress. They have had 6 years to withdraw funding. They have declined to do so every day of those 6 years. Why? Because they know doing so would diminish the respect of the United States on the world stage and would be Political Suicide. Don't bring your whining about the war here. We are seriously tired of the whining after 6 years and most especially when victory is within sight.

7. This is a right leaning site that draws conservatives like flies to honey. If you come here with what you PERCEIVE to be a valid argument from the left, you will have your weewee shoved in your watch pocket. Look at the motto, it is "COMBATING liberal media bias"

8. There are no valid arguments from the left. Keep your watch pocket empty and take some motrin. It's gonna hurt. (1)

This inconvenient truth didn't surface on "Reliable Sources" Sunday as it rarely does when town hall protesters are compared to anti-war demonstrators: 

1. The Protests.

  a. The town hall protests -  These are people that are rightly scared about a coming massive government program. Little or no arrests. These people are correct.

  b. The protests at the 2004 Republican Convention. These people are protesting a single man, George W. Bush. A man most of the country supported by voting him back in a few months later. Some 1000 to 2000 people were arrested. These people are incorrect.  (2)

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

PS: I used the weewee word long before PBO. Somebody owes me money.

1. Old JWF post.

2. JWF post from today

JWF - Awesome Post

Great job with this post, JWF.  Being a Vietnam veteran, I am especially partial to numbers 4&5.

Thanks.

Motrin?

Motrin?

The way many of the lefties that come here act, they need to be taking their mom's Pamprin.

 

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Wait a minute. The point is that if you first allow the anti-war protesters to wreak havoc, carry pictures of Hitler, throw around charges of Nazism ... you can't turn around and heap scorn on conservative protesters (especially when they behave much better), as the media has done frequently.

Still, I think that Anne Kornblut offered a Pauline Kael moment: "Sure. I mean, look, we have to be -- I think all of us here are careful about how we describe the protesters and giving them credence. They operate in a different universe."

And God bless them for that ...

It's a delight to watch media types splutter...

...as they choke on their own hypocrisy.

→ splutter?

I don't see Kurtz choking on anything.

He's apparently got a very deep throat.

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Typical moral equivalence

Typical moral equivalence making where none exists. 

The Bush-Haters were lying, distorting and siding with the enemy in a time of war (which is still going on, by the way).  They were threatening Bush's life and were in NO WAY engaging in debate.

The Healthcare Townhall protesters are behaving civilly and are simply participating in democracy.

The REAL flip-floppers are the hypocrites in the lib media who have always sided with liberal "concerned citizen" and have painted conservative protesters as fanatics, racists, greedy...you name it.

This is nothing new, it's just on a larger scale because the outpouring of opposition to Obama's policies (not his color, Gabarfalot, you worthless twit) is so enormous. 

The left can't stand it when people don't march in lock-step with a dem president, and they actively cheerlead for anyone who opposes a republican president.  And for them to accuse FOX of a double-standard is further hypocrisy.

 

Or, some of the Bush-haters

Or, some of the Bush-haters were voicing opposition to what they perceived as a poor decision, and some of the town hall people were only interested in shouting. 

bal, that is a BALD FACE LIE

But hay, you are a squishy liberal, and that kind of yappin is just a high 5 in your twisted neck of the woods..

Not around here !  you who never ever "get" what's going on...

Come on! Really after 3.5 years what's the point?

Ohh the Bush protesters just voicing.... calm cool and groovy collected..

The town hall SHOUTING...

Good job that is one of the most biased comments you ever posted.

FYI  social security payments are going DOWN... Oh and the teachers retirement fund is going going DOWN... how's that for hitting home!

Unless you are a trust fund baby.

 

Niagara Falls froze over,jpg

bal-

I once told you that after the Dems won, you ceased to be a nice guy. You, I said , are a poor winner. I stopped communicating with you because of the change.After months of reading the changed Balboa, I must say you are a complete idiotic, illogical, unreasoning asshole!!!

You are beginning to affect me as Tumbler did in the old days,

 

Please, don't thank me now.

Oh No, Mr. Bill!

Pleaaaaaaase, No!!!! 

Don't let bal bug you the way that old Sluggo Tumbler did.  It's just not worth the aggravation.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

misterbill, I don't see how

misterbill, I don't see how anything I wrote is that absurd. It's not possible, at all, what I said? Why?

Perhaps my posts have changed. I can't really tell. Maybe it is in reaction to the posts and stories here. I think I've been very fair in admitting when Obama has not met up to expectations. 

→ bal

Where once your posts were somewhat Socratic in nature, they now consist of defending Jon Stewart and lame one-liners about  such things as Sean Hannity being too enomored of himself.

Somewhere along the line, the cheese moved.  We're just witnessing the bal movement with perplexity.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

Hm. Well, I can honestly say

Hm. Well, I can honestly say I haven't been trying to change them.

→ OK

Maybe it's just a funk.

We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy

Bal-most folks do shout when they are upset-

you are looking at unpolished real Americans-upset.They are not plants/ set ups-just folks who do not like whats going on.

BHO is ill equipped was ill equipped for the POTUS job.I have heard several times in the last week-voting has consequences.these big decisions he wants to ram rod thru should all have public hearings and get feed back before any decision is made. His speed shows he lacks support from America-that's what you see. Nothing more.

BHO has surrounded himself with real scum, anti American radicals, just like himself. It shows how MSM force fed this radical to American, and they drank the cool aid-Voters remorse??aybe!!

why would you tear down the house just to remodel the bathroom??

 

BHO-  THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE

 

 

 

I think Stewart's routine was good

I think Stewart was spot on in his satire of the hypocrisy in politics. More poignant than funny. With a little white out ( the old typewriter correction fluid), his routine could've worked in the Bush administration.

Good post Noel.

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Attention everybody. nwahs is a Liberal who enjoys...

stalking this particular website.  He is a fool and all who take the time to read his MSNBC talking points are well aware of it.  Jim Webster

And you are

an anti-social dreg with latent homosexual tendencies ( if you're going to make crap up, reach). Now all that aside, what did you find objectionable in my post that caused your little tantrum?

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

Classic case of...

"Projection".  Jim Webster

Well if you're going to use technical terms

....

I am the mob. Don't tread on me.

You have been trollish but

You have been trollish but as of late you have been less so, in fact I have not seen any tendencies from you.  An aberation most likely.

I am very disappointed in Kurtz. Up until I read this...

report, I have always thought of him as being fair and down the middle.  If he can't tell the difference between these two groups of protesters, then he has clearly come down on the left side of things and has shown himself to be a Liberal commentator rather than someone who is "Fair and Balanced".  Too bad.  Jim Webster

Righties and lefties dislike Kurtz

Lefties think Kurtz is a rightie, righties think he's a lefty.

Hmm, who's correct? 

You're all for "fair and balanced" so using your logic, if he's not on Fox he must be a lefty. And, taking it further, if he doesn't agree with opinions you hold dear, he must be a leftie.

I think Kurtz is a horses patoot no matter if you're looking at him from the right or left.

Look, the bigot popped out the You all cliche.

   And the bigot popped out the fox hatin'. Which you do you keep referring to? Bigot.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

So clever with the "Bigot" term

I'm sure you're very popular in the schoolyard.

So clever, yet so dumb

I wrote, "You're all for "fair and balanced"

Not, "you all", nor "y'all" are for it.

And, it was in reference to the statement that the liberal media was not  "fair and balanced".  You're an idiot.  And I say that with no animosity whatsoever.

Here is the Queen of FLOP! Nancy Phelopsi

Nancy (the Fish out of Water) Pelosi at a townhall meeting in San Fran in 2006. The vid at the end shows the "Flop".

http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pelosi-tells-anti-war-protesters-im-a-fan-of-disruptors/

Another typical CNN show....

More people on the panel then are watching it on their TV sets.

Jack

"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart.  If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains."   Sir Winston Churchill

Can't expect too much from CNN

Expecting CNN to have a balanced panel is like expecting Meet the Press to have a balanced panel or Chris Matthews to have a balanced panel.  Come on, why do you need a balanced panel, we all know the only opinions that count come from liberals.  Besides that, most of the conservatives are tied up with Fox News.

I find it amazing the Kurtz completely forgot to mention Anderson Cooper, when he was talking about the teabagger rants.  He also failed to mention the recently fired news babe that thought her reporting job was getting into a debate at the tea party, informing protesters how much stimulus money the state of Illinois was going to get. 

Hell, if Fox News wasn't being fair with these protesters no one would be.   

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

You would think that CNN the former home...

of Robert Novak for umpteen years would have paid him some kind of tribute after he passed away.  Instead they shed their tears for Cronkite and that 60 minutes guy.  Jim Webster

The illogic of the young----

Last weekend, my son and family visited. They could not wait to show me on my PC a piece from a Colbert show. In that piece Glenn Beck conrtradicted, later in the show, something he said earlier. I asked them if they had ever done anything like that themselves,. They responded yes, but they were not major right wingers like Beck. I asked them a few more questions and found that all they knew about Beck, they learned on Colbert and Stewart. When I defended Beck versus some satirist, they said, well Colbert is only a comedian. I themn asked them why they showed it to me if it was just comedy and they knew I had no interest in Colbert.

 No answer, subject changed, Isn't it pathetic where our youth gets their opinions???

it's always the same story

A clip from Stewart or Colbert is posted as "intelligent debate" and something for us to "chew over" because it's an obvious case of hypocrisy being exposed.

Then when the clip turns out to be exaggerated, suddenly it was all just a joke.

 

 

Candance

Another amen!!!

I did not know that Balboa

I did not know that Balboa was your son! Or, is the number of people who dislike Beck but only know Beck from Comedy Central not limited to you immediate family, MB?

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Kurtz Is A Putz

I'm glad NB points out the difference between dirupters for the sake of denying their opponents a right to speak, and those who disrupt corrupt politicians in order to tell the truth.

These Leftards should be

These Leftards should be thankful that the moderates and the conservatives don't "protest" the way the Marxists have over the decades.

The storming of the Bastille would pale in comparison.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Hail the King...or Fox News

It's is really funny and says a lot about the dominance of Fox News that CNN actually discusses them as a story. 

http://www.framingthedialogue.com/