That Hillary Clinton -- such a prankster! Yes, if there's one thing Hillary is known for, it's her great sense of humor and light touch. So when she included Barack Obama's statements as a third-grader and kindergartner in her press release for purposes of demonstrating he was lying when he said he hadn't long harbored presidential ambitions, we should have all realized it was just one more of Hillary's rib-ticklers. Too bad that gullible old MSM let itself get spun.
That in essence is what Mark Penn [file photo], Hillary's chief strategist, would have people believe about the press release Clinton put out two days ago. Penn appeared on today's Morning Joe, and talked soon turned to the release. No fewer than four times, Penn tried to pass off the to-all-appearances dead serious kindergarten citation as a "joke":
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Why bring up his kindergarten teacher?MARK PENN: Oh, that is so silly. You know, I have to say that I really wonder at the end of the day -- he put out an attack on her, trying to say that she had some 20 year plan, and at the end of a long thing as a joke, the campaign put out that he always wanted to run from kindergarten. It was a joke! And the spin machines here are so hyped up here about Senator Clinton and her campaign, that -- that someone would pick up on a joke like that and treat it as though it were serious. The serious part was Barack Obama did not serve really much time in the U.S. Senate before running for president. I mean, he touts his foreign policy experience, the subcommittee he chaired never even met. The serious part of this is he has no practical national or international experience, not the joke at the end of a very long and serious release. Gosh, you guys are so spinnable.
SCARBOROUGH [facetiously]: We are so spinnable. Sometimes I'm just ashamed. Zogby polls, kindergarten polls, what's wrong with me, Mark?
PENN: Exactly.
There's only one small problem with Penn's "it was just a joke" claim. It's untrue.
Have a look at the Hillary release, here. It sets out five items as counter-evidence to Obama's claim that he had not been planning to run for president for many years. The items about essays he wrote as a third-grader and kindergartner are presented in precisely the same fashion as the other points. Absolutely nothing, in either word or graphic presentation, sets them apart or in any other way suggests they are presented as a joke.
This is the second time running that Penn has been caught out playing fast and loose with the facts in a Morning Joe appearance. Just last week, he scolded Scarborough for airing a Zogby poll showing Hillary losing to the GOP front-runners. Penn bizarrely claimed that the poll was "meaningless" because it was the first online poll Zogby had ever conducted. The problem for Penn: Zogby has been running online polls for almost ten years, and no one knows that better than Penn himself since, as the Zogby folks were quick to point out, Penn and the Hillary campaign . . . have been the #1 consumers of Zogby's online polling data.
Suggestion to the Hillary campaign. Stop attacking the press, and find someone other than Mark Penn to go on Morning Joe. If you insist on sending Penn, consider the counter-intuitive strategy of . . . having him tell the truth.
Aside: Last week, while huffily dismissing the Zogby poll as "meaningless," Penn held up Gallup as the polling gold standard. "That's a real poll. That's got 50 years of history," said Penn. Well, yesterday's new Gallup poll shows Hillary having lost 12 points of her lead over Obama. H/t Captains Quarters.
How now, brown cow?
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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Oh, yeah, that Hillary is
December 4, 2007 - 09:41 ET by motherbeltOh, yeah, that Hillary is such a card!!!
Actually, that IS liberal humor....say something mean about someone, then say "hey lighten up....just kidding!" So it's probably true that it was just a joke (or a feeble attempt at one).
What's mean and NOT funny is joking about Hillary's conveniently discovered love for the Yankees.
Every time they step in it, their excuse is that they were just kidding. Maybe they should insert little "jk's" in their press releases or use the <sarc> tag.... LOL
since everyone doesn't "get" their sophisticated brand of humor.
And Mark, that
consider the counter-intuitive strategy of . . . having him tell the truth
is SO spot-on. The Clintons' (and by that I mean them and all their staffers) first instinct is to lie. Why, I don't know, but it's a reflex. They lie even when the truth will serve.
Clintons lie routingly
December 4, 2007 - 12:23 ET by celator"The Clintons' (and by that I mean them and all their staffers) first
instinct is to lie. Why, I don't know, but it's a reflex. They lie even
when the truth will serve."
Motherbelt, you put your finger on one of the most (among many) puzzling habits/reflexes of the Clintons (and, yes, their staffers) They lie even when telling the truth would serve them well.
It's as though their internal programming was so damaged that they literally cannot distinguish between a lie and the truth. Billy The Hick's most recent lie about his support/lack of support for the Iraq invasion is only the most recent example.
That some people in this country want her to be president is so astoundingly dumb, it takes your breath away. Imagine her as the commander in chief of the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps. That will keep you awake nights.
"Hillary Attacks the Press"
December 4, 2007 - 09:39 ET by Six String Spiff"Hillary Attacks the Press." That will be the headline for the next year, at least. This is a power hungry woman capable of destroying virtually anyone or anything in her way. I think the MSM is beginning to dislike her. Her arrogant, constant lecturing of the 'VRWC' media is nothing short of insane. How many candidates from any party have WARNED a debate moderator? That says it all right there.
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Hillary's campaign is just
December 4, 2007 - 09:42 ET by taterHillary's campaign is just biting the hand that feeds them. Get your popcorn ready...this is the beginning of an impressive meltdown.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
I don't know what's more
December 4, 2007 - 09:44 ET by BruzillaI don't know what's more unbelieveable... that this was a joke or that Obama actually wrote an essay in kindergarten? I saw Hillary deliver this line in a speech, and she said it with a highly dismissive tone, so it surely wasn't any joke. And I've been to some kindergarten classes recently, and those kids can barely draw a picture that you can recognize, so I would sure like to see this essay.
A Clinton Stretching The Truth????
December 4, 2007 - 10:12 ET by BourbeauWhat a shock! I'm beginning to have a little more faith in the electorate, simply by watching them react with dismay to some of the Clinton antics. It's about time; and I hope the press wakes up to her condescending tactics that effectively leave them mumbling at a distance. It's incomprehensible to me, how her staff of supposedly mature and politically experienced men and women, can sit around and endorse some of these juvenile tactics and think that it's helping her. Worse yet, people like Penn and Wolfson go out and try and justify it. Just yesterday she was casting doubt on Obama for some PAC he had that was being used to support other candidates. Yet, this is the same thing she was doig as well, and acts like she's a saint. This from the woman that has more roots to her China Cash Connection than are in her hair. Pay attention people, she has made some serious tactical blunders in the last few weeks that are going to cost her dearly, and all of it is self-inflcted. Are you listening Bill?
Did you see Hillary on TV
December 4, 2007 - 11:54 ET by BruzillaDid you see Hillary on TV yesterday, accusing Obama of skirting campaign finance laws? This from the queen of skirting laws! If Obama doesn't make hay with that tidbit he better quit the race.
Is this like a John Kerry
December 4, 2007 - 09:52 ET by well99Is this like a John Kerry joke?
mark penn's existence?
December 4, 2007 - 10:07 ET by rubberpelletfrancisHow much longer will Shill tolerate this buffoon? The campaign is looking like an embarrassment, someone will have to fall. Prepare for a reorganization Penn.
Who is this guy?
December 4, 2007 - 12:29 ET by celatorYes, who is this dolt? He may have been created from various body parts of former staffers which have been stitched together to more or less look human. He almost makes sense when he tries to talk, but not quite. We all know Mzzz Hillary's campaign is melting down, and that she's getting really awful advice from her staff and advisors. There must be blood all over the floor of her campaign office.
Hillary is no Joke
December 4, 2007 - 11:14 ET by mattmBut her lackeys are. It's not that funny though...
Still Have Zogby Questions
December 4, 2007 - 10:52 ET by NoMoreClintonsMark,
I didn't see the piece. Did Joe have the spheres to ask Penn about his proven lie that the Zogby online poll was "the first of it's kind" or something like that the last time he was on. Zogby shot back later that Penn had been requesting these same polls for years. Shouldn't Joe have challenged Penn on his outright lie or is he scared to "lose access"? And if losing access is so frightening to these talking heads and news organizations, what does that say about them?
Joe did send in the needle
December 4, 2007 - 11:06 ET by Mark FinkelsteinJoe did send in the needle by facetiously mentioning how spinnable the press was about Zogby polls. And let's remember that the day after Joe had Penn on last week, Scarborough's guest was Zogby himself.
Clinton knows everything
December 4, 2007 - 11:17 ET by kgClinton knows everything. She probably knows the time of day the other candidates take their morning dump. AND she knows every dirty and even trivial secret about her opponents. AND she knows every conceivable personal thing about her opponents.
BUT, she doesn't know anything that that requires her to take a position. AND she doesn't know anything when it comes to answering questions about her dealings. AND, she doesn't know anything when she is asked to provide documents during investigations.
The same pattern holds true when it comes to laying blame and taking credit.
God, help us.
Right Ha Ha
December 4, 2007 - 11:21 ET by kbworkmanIf she has to go back to kindergarten to find something, that is sad.
All we have to do is go back to her husbands time in the white house. Unfortunately, she has had all that stuff withheld along with here thesis in college.
So we can't find anything about that cause she has had all this witheld. Nice huh?
As far as her assertion that Obama has been running for president since he got into congress, that is pretty sad. She has been running for president since her husband was in the white house.
The presidency was her reward for sticking with her husband when she should have dumped him, but then she couldn't have played the victim.
Personally, I don't want a victim for a president. I want a winner. She ain't it.
Flash! From Hillary Central....
December 4, 2007 - 11:27 ET by MightyMouthB. Hussein Obama was a bedwetter!! More at 11:00!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Obama also...
December 4, 2007 - 11:42 ET by Airforce_5_OSecretly listens to Micheal Bolton...
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Noooo...not that no-talent
December 4, 2007 - 11:47 ET by taterNoooo...not that no-talent ass clown,
I also heard Obama sings showtunes in karaoke bars.
Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns
Tater I heard
December 4, 2007 - 11:53 ET by Airforce_5_OHe owns a bootleg copy of David Alan Coe's Prision Album...
Not good, not good at all....
The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
Tater
December 4, 2007 - 11:53 ET by Six String SpiffAhhh One of my favorite movies.. Office space. 'No way! I'm not changing my name. He's the one who sucks!' lol!
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poor Barack
December 4, 2007 - 12:04 ET by candanceurgent news flash:
A video has just been released via YouTube showing Barack Obama picking his nose at a school function when he was five years old. Political fallout has yet to be determined.
Brought to you courtesty of Hillary Clinton: Scandal free since Dec 2007
you can tell a liberal has been caught
December 4, 2007 - 11:38 ET by candanceLiberals have two tricks to escape from a bad situation:
-act like the complaint is old news, common sense, not a big deal anyway.
-insist you were joking.
She's getting desperate if she did that to Obama (I wonder if that was the juicy gossip she'd been holding back on?) and I'm glad the media at least called her out.
If she falls out of the DNC nod, party at my place!
Candance, that's spot-on
December 4, 2007 - 11:51 ET by MrShyCandance, that's spot-on about liberals!
Ugh, I really can't wait for the day that HRC is defeated, whether in the primaries or (I don't even want to go here, but it's very possible) the '08 election. You will not see gracious losers, I can assure you.
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Shy
December 4, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Free StinkerShy,
Making up a quote and attributing it to someone who did not say/write it is slander.
hey free
December 4, 2007 - 15:01 ET by candanceI don't think he's calling you an editor. He's just saying he took it upon himself to remove that.
PS - I just checked your profile - you're a handsome guy.
The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.
Candance
December 4, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Free StinkerCandance,
The original comment was removed by the Staff for commercial content, however, I reported it to them since Mr.Shy was attributes a quote to me that I didn't make, same as he does here.
And before you defend Shy, tell me how you feel if Keith quoted you as saying something such as "Vote Hillary 2008". . . need I say more?
Too cold at your place.
December 4, 2007 - 14:02 ET by ricklailToo cold at your place. Let's see if we can down to Blonde's.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
I looked at Hillary's press
December 4, 2007 - 11:47 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltI looked at Hillary's press release, and then further at her web site. It's odd...there's no tag line or any sort of campaign slogan at the head of each page. Just "Hillary for President". Well...okay...why?
Every product, candidate, snack food, etc., gives the consumer/voter a reason to buy/endorse it, no?
Toyota...Moving Forward
Raisin Bran...two scoops of raisins
I dunno, hers just seems kind of bland. Like, "vote for her, no need to ask why"
Hillary has one reason to
December 4, 2007 - 14:04 ET by Six String SpiffHillary has one reason to achieve the position POTUS, and that is Hillary herself. Period. She is a selfish, arrogant, power hungry feminist.
When are people
December 4, 2007 - 12:05 ET by BeowulfWhen are people finally going to wise up and start calling these moronic politicians out on this "it was just a joke" line of BS? How many times are they going to play this card and get away with it?
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Beo... That's just it
December 4, 2007 - 14:32 ET by bigtimerBeo...
That's just it though, she isn't getting away with it.
Watch her polls drop more and more regardless of what the talking heads in some of the msm say.
I love it myself.
Please Hillary...don't keep your yap shut for once...keep opening mouth until foot is all the way inserted come election time...
I knew from the beginning
December 4, 2007 - 14:58 ET by ConservativeRexI knew from the beginning that when those Clintonistas got hold of Obammy they were going to stomp one in him. And this has been their first try.
This is a criminal family. I do not think that you can bring of the fact that she is the wife of an IMPEACHED president enough times to suit me. Every time she appears somewhere, bring it up in the form of a question.
What ever Republican that runs against her should never take the gloves off when dealing with her. I dearly hope the Republican plays the "politics of personal destruction" to the hilt. Never let up on these people, because they surely never will. I would advise any Republican to find and bring to light every word she has said contrary to what is being said at the time. Hammer her with it left, right, and center.
OK now I think I am ranting, but you get my drift.
HillBilly
December 4, 2007 - 17:49 ET by tbbaxterWhenever one of Hillary's attacks backfires, it's labeled "just a joke." But when others attack Hillary, she sends her hubby to the media to whine and complain that the attacks on her are unjustified and unfair. Poor Billy, he really need to suck it up. Oh, I'm sorry, that's the intern's job, isn't it?