Will the Liberal Media Blame Michael Moore for G-20 Violence?

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According to many in the liberal media, vehement conservative protestations to Obama and his policies are inciting, or have the potential to incite violence against the President. In their eyes, violent rhetoric and violent actions are one and the same. "Violent rhetoric begets violence," as one liberal talk show host put it.

So why are we not seeing blame heaped upon documentary filmmaker and avowed socialist Michael Moore for yesterday's G-20 riots in Pittsburgh? Moore does, after all, preach hateful and extreme anti-capitalist rhetoric. The cryptic slogan for his most recent movie, "Capitalism, A Love Story", reads, "Capitalism is evil, and you can't regulate evil." This line is eerily reminiscent of many of the socialist-anarchist slogans chanted by the G-20 protesters.

Assume for the sake of argument that violent rhetoric does beget violence. By this logic, shouldn't we blame Michael Moore's vitriolic indictments of investment banks for the brick that was hurled through a PNC Bank window yesterday? And if government aids and abets the evil that is capitalism, aren't Moore's words responsible for the bricks that were hurled at riot police in Pittsburgh?

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I do not agree with liberals that claim that violent rhetoric is equivalent to violence or responsible for it.  To equate words with deeds is to erase the line between thought and action; violent thoughts become violent actions. That position is very dangerous to free speech. But the mainstream media touted that very position in criticizing Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Wilson, Michelle Bachmann, and other supposed racists and hate-mongers in the conservative movement.

A guest on Keith Olbermann's Countdown, Dan Savage, a radical gay-rights advocate, came right out and said that conservative voices are trying to get the President assassinated. Olbermann agreed with Savage, who stated,

I really do think that the Michele Bachmanns of the world and the Glenn Becks of the world are actively and consciously, or subconsciously, trying to get - I'm just going to say it, trying to get the president killed. That's why they're setting this up as kill or be killed arguments. He's going to kill your grandma, pull the plug on grandma, death panels that little children have to go in front of.

MSNBC's Chris Matthews, in denouncing conservative talk radio hosts, suggested that they would be responsible if someone made an attempt on President Obama's life:

at some point if we have violence in this country against our president of any form or attempt, people are gonna pay for it, the people who have encouraged the craziness.

David Shuster, speaking on MSNBC above the heading "Ramping Up The Rhetoric: Is The Right Wing Pushing Violence?", suggested conservatives were fomenting violence by talking.

gun sales are up, violence is back on the front page and conservatives are calling for revolution. Is the red hot rhetoric of the right helping foment something dangerous in this country?

Shuster's guest on the program, New York Times columnist Charles Blow, said,

I think that what's happening in that echo chamber is very dangerous. Because it only takes a couple of people or one person to do something that, with a gun that, that is very irresponsible, that leads to something like this [the murder of four police officers]. And I feel like if you are gonna let these people [Beck and Limbaugh] ramble on, if they feel like that's a responsible way to use the platform that they have, then that's very unfortunate.

As reported by NewsBusters, ABC's Terry Moran called Moore a "rhetorical bomb-thrower." If violent rhetoric begets violence, as so many in the media have suggested, than Moore is in fact a literal bomb-thrower. His anti-capitalist rhetoric, by this logic, necessarily leads to anti-capitalist violence, such as the violence we saw yesterday in Pittsburgh.

If, God forbid, a police officer is hurt by an anti-capitalist demonstrator at the G-20 Summit, we will see if Matthews, Olbermann, and Shuster show some consistency and blame Michael Moore. I wouldn't hold my breath.


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The poor citizens of

The poor citizens of Pittsburgh did nothing to deserve the idiot thugs currently plaguing their city.  I know the neighborhoods where the damage has been done, and the anarchists and other leftist trash should be forced to pay for the damage they caused.

Damage

About the only city equipped to handle these thugs is New York City.  The anarchists method of attack in New York was to attempt to get court orders restricting police enforcement.  That failed. 

The NYPD just floods an area. 10,000 or more police officers. Subway exits are blocked. The protestors are searched when the exit and put into fenced in areas. The protestors were upset that the police had "informants" in the group who would tell the police where they planned to congregate next.

Reportedly, the NYPD decended on a small park where the protestors were congregating. The polilce blocked all exit and hauled any disorderly protestors away.

 

Cities Equipped

The most peaceful one was the one held in Edmonton, (Northern!) Canada in the Winter when it was a google below zero. Kind of hard to scream at people when you can't feel your face.

To paraphrase the good

To paraphrase the good book, "Many are cold but few are frozen."

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

He's on AGAIN!

I too feel bad for the citizens of Pittsburgh, and now for me because his face and bs is on the TV again!  His line is so old he couldn't pick up a hooker with a thousand dollar bill.   

 

one lefty here on NB

said Fox News was possibly guilty of sedition for criticizing the government. Said lefty is MIA right now. Convenient.

 

No because the protesters at

No because the protesters at the G-20 are anarchists and protest when a democrat is in office and when republicans are in office. They do this every year at the G-20 no matter where it is held or what party is in office. Michael Moore has nothing to do with the violent protesters at the G-20. 

they protest Democrats for not being left enough

Michael Moore starts a publicity tour to say capitalism is evil.

Anarchists destroy property because capitalism is evil.

That would be enough to convict a Republican.

If these guys don't belong to the left, why do wacky rednecks belong to the right?

 

Because 24enak says so

"If these guys don't belong to the left, why do wacky rednecks belong to the right?"

Because 24enak says so.

 

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

There you go, candance...

Getting me all befuddled again about Left vs. Right, good vs. evil ideologies, bad vs. beneficient systems of governments, etc.  You state...

"If these guys don't belong to the left, why do wacky rednecks belong to the right?" [my emphasis]

And just when I thought I had it all figured out after studying the moderately informative--albeit subtly propandistic--little video several had insisted I watch, which firmly places "anarchists" on the far right of the political spectrum.  

http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

Gosh, this is just so confusing.

Jer

 

Far right of what?

Just to confuse you further, the true anarchists don't belong on any political spectrum.  You see, anarchists don't believe in politics, because they don't believe in government..  They don't recognize any ruling party or authority, any government..  So, how can any true anarchist be placed on any political scale?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

CobraMan

I'm sure this question has been raised before, but how do anarchists get organized for those protests? 

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Twitter, these days

Twitter, these days. 

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Sorry, Cobra

It was a joke: if anarchists are against any kind of organizational structure, how do they get organized to protest?

Sorry for not being able to pull that off the first try.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

lol I know

LOL  I know.  But I wouldn't be surprised if there were several anarchy clubs scattered across America.  As most of the self professed anarchists are college attending 20 something males, we all know just how intelligent those young men can be.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Cobraman,

I know exactly how intelligent a college attending 20 something male can be because I have one of those myself.  ;)

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

My dad once told me...

My dad once told me that the most dangerous thing in the world  is a 18 year old male with a drivers license and the keys to daddy's car. (Guess how old I was when he told me that!)

These day, I would amend that to include 20 something males with the keys to the college dorm. No offense intended, of course.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

No offense taken

We've been pretty lucky with him so far.  He seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders, but once in a while I still remind him that he doesn't know a whole lot.  I figure if I keep that up until he realizes it's true, he'll turn out just fine.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Just like us

I don't know about you, but I spend the first half of my 20's (and ALL of my "teens") believing that I knew more than my parents.  That I was right, they were wrong.  It wasn't  until I became a parent myself that I realized that they were right all along.  I guess that the age old cycle, the young blaming the old for being smarter than they are.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Same here, Cobra

I've talked with both my parents about what an epiphany having my own children was and thanked them for all they did for me.  It made me appreciate them that much more.

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Cobra.. I remember that quip

Cobra.. I remember that quip by Mark Twain (paraphrasing): "I was amazed at how smart my parents became from the time I was 18 to the time I was 20."

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

You should understand tho

You should understand, tho, that real anarchists don't oppose organizational structures, as long as membership in those structures are voluntary.  What the do oppose is compulsory memberships in any society or structure. 

For example: True anarchists hate American government  because our government considers them  to be automatic members of our society (citizens) by virtue of birth, not by voluntary membership, and that our society expects them to follow the rule of law even though they never agreed to this. 

What they forget, or refuse to admit, is that they are free to leave America and our society any time they wish and form their own society.  They are free to form their own government, make their own laws, and live life any way they please.  There's plenty of areas in the world where they can do that.  But then they actually have to WORK TOGETHER at creating their dreams of a free, uninhibited society.

If they were TRUE anarchist, this is what they would do.  But their not true anarchists.  They are POSERS who use anarcy as an excuse to inflict violence upon society, which is their one and only goal.  They think that calling themselves anarchists will absolve them of the guilt of violating the rules of civilised society.  It doesn't, of course, for even true anarchists want to live by mutually agreed rules, but they don't care about that.  They just want to smash things so any excuse will do.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Alternatively

Or you can just text the word anarchy to 6666 for up to the minute protest location information.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

A fair point, CobraMan...

A fair point, CobraMan...

"Ideological spectrum" would have been more appropriate.

Jer

Anarchism covers the whole spectrum while excluding it

You have to remember that anarchism has only one ideology. That ideology is VOLUNTARY involvement in society. 

You can't be a member of some society, or follow a given political ideology, by virtue of birth or position.  According to the true anarchists, you have to VOLUNTEER membership, VOLUNTEER abidance.  This means that you have to agree to abide by the rules in order for those rules to be legitimate.  It doesn't matter what those rule are, what political ideology those rules are based upon, the rules are legitimate only if you AGREE that they are.

I don't what end of the political ideology spectrum you would place that belief, that ideology.  To me, that excludes and includes the entire spectrum. It is, to me, outside the spectrum.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

I'm not sure [which end]

I'm not sure [which end] either, CobraMan...

I was simply noting the irony--and inherent contradictions--suggested by the ideological model displayed in the referenced video.

Jer

That's the problem with models

That's the problem with models, they are only approximations, artificial constructions, of reality.  They are subject to the bias, unconscious or not,  of the people conceiving and creating them. This is why, for example, weather models rarely match the actual weather. The mere fact that it is a model, that it is artificial, that it is subject to bias in both concept and construction, makes the reliability of that model inherently low.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Give me a break! You know

Give me a break! You know they are just pissed because Moore got to all the Hot Dog vendors before they had a chance! There is nothing worse than a blunt smoking hungry nihilist!

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

Spot the anarcists

"No because the protesters at the G-20 are anarchists and protest when a democrat is in office and when republicans are in office."

I want you to look at this photo and spot the anarchists.  What's that?  The protesters in that photo are not anarchists?  Oh, ok, so much for your claim that the protesters are anarchists.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

I contend that this is

I contend that this is George Bush's fault. (We're still within a year, ya know...)

spit alert, BKeyer!!

that was too funny!

 

oh, you want a spit alert...

did you see the photoshop I did of Barry's big entrance in the UN General Assembly?

no, bkeyser

didn't see it.

 

 

I'd rather have no money and lots of freedom than the other way around.

 

candance~~

ha ha ha ha ha

good times. :-D

 

Michael Moore and the anti-capitalists

Sooo. --all rhetorical musings, naturally-- will the MSM treat Michael Moore like they treated big name conservatives, like Rush, Beck, etc., over the protests at the G-20?

Will the MSM call the protesters:

Functionally retarded adults?

Racists?

Uneducated?

Astroturf?

Mob mentality?

“pudgy-faced?"

Classless?

White racists?

Ugly,” “unruly,” “nasty” mobs?

And..... drum roll please!

Will Time Magazine do a cover story: Is Michael Moore Good for America?

Answer: They very well might; however, one could anticipate that it will be a very cheerful and happy issue.

(;~/ gary

Jimmy Carter releases statement about G20

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man."

 

Hmmm, these people

Hmmm, these people are violent, so they must be Christian conservative anarchists opposed to health care reform.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Nancy Pelosi & and the G-20 protesters

Here's an excellent read today, complements of Investors Business Daily: Thugs, Tea Parties And Treacle

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi berated town hall and tea party protesters this month, tearfully warning they'd incite violence. Well, there's been violence all right, at Pittsburgh's G-20. But it wasn't the tea partiers.

It takes gall to characterize ordinary Americans, freely exercising their rights of speech and assembly in civic forums, as "mobs" while ignoring a pack of leftist thugs now smashing a U.S. city. But that's what Pelosi did...

(;~> gary

Nostalgia sets in once again...

 

Why do I miss the good old days when the "shoot to kill looters and rioters" was the plan othe day?

A few wounded criminals laying in the middle of the street once in a while kept this kind of crap from happening.

Now, IF anybody gets arrested, a shyster ambulance chaser and an all too willing judge gets them off and presents the law enforcement with a police brutality case.

A few snipers on the rooftops, a warning that they will shoot to kill, then pick off the agitators, and soon the streets will be nice, peaceful places to go visit again.

Now, THAT PLAN works with everybody except for the rioters, looters, and democrat politicians.

 

http://gjresult.com