Stephanopoulos Goes 3 for 3: Again Declares Democrat the 'Winner'

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Deciding “Obama is two for two,” ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who last Friday called Joe Biden the winner over Sarah Palin, declared Barack Obama “definitely won” over John McCain in the second presidential debate, just as he had determined following the first one -- and that makes it three times out of three debates the Democratic operative turned ABC journalist has picked the liberal Democrat. In Tuesday's “Nightline Report Card,” Stephanopoulos trumpeted Obama's performance:

He definitely won tonight. I think, again, he showed over the course of this debate, over the course of the two debates, he is answering the number one question Americans have about him. Does he have the experience it takes to serve effectively as President? Over the course now of three hours of debates, he is answering that question minute by minute.

Issuing his grades, Stephanopoulos awarded Obama an A and two A-minuses while he presented McCain with one A-minus and two grades of B+. Stephanopoulos contended “where I really think Barack Obama won the debate tonight in strategy is on foreign policy. He took the debate to John McCain, took it to John McCain's judgment, jujitsued the line that John McCain used in the last debate about how Barack Obama doesn't understand foreign policy.”

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He scolded McCain on accuracy:

Two attacks he makes on taxes which just every fact check organization has said is just wrong. When he says Barack Obama raised taxes 94 times, it's simply not true. He's jumbling together a whole bunch of different votes which include votes against tax cuts....And then second, he says that 50 percent of small businesses will get a tax increase under Barack Obama. Again, that's just not true. The best we could see is maybe 15 percent.

My September 27 NB item, “In 'Nightline Report Card' Stephanopoulos Gives Obama the Win,” recounted:

Awarding Barack Obama two grades of A-minus and one B-minus while presenting John McCain with two grades of B-plus and one B-minus, at the end of his "Nightline Report Card" segment on Friday night, ABC's George Stephanopoulos declared Obama the "winner" -- with a big illustrative check mark on screen: "Bottom line, the winner is Barack Obama. He comes into this race where the country wants change. His number one goal was to show that he belonged on that stage. He was a credible commander-in-chief, that he could hold his own on national security. He did that tonight. He gets the win."

October 3 posting, “Stephanopoulos Again Declares the Liberal the Debate Winner,” reported:

Six days after declaring Barack Obama the winner of the first presidential debate, following Thursday's VP debate George Stephanopoulos again decided the liberal Democrat in the debate, this time Joe Biden, was the winner -- but in assigning his “Nightline Report Card” grades he gave both Biden and Sarah Palin the same overall assessments: each got one A, one A-minus and one B. Asked by anchor Terry Moran to name “the winner,” Stephanopoulos argued:
Joe Biden, but boy, was this close. I think that Governor Palin did an awful lot to help herself tonight. There is no question that she beat expectations, that she was fluent, that she showed she could stand up there on the stage. She laid a couple of attacks there against Barack Obama, but going back to my first point on overall strategy, right now, this is a race where if John McCain cannot convince the country that he's going to take it in a different direction from President Bush, he simply cannot win...

The “Nightline Report Card” segment on the Tuesday, October 7 Nightline, as corrected against the closed-captioning by the MRC's Brad Wilmouth:                

TERRY MORAN: Still on the campus of Belmont University here in Nashville. Which candidate scored better in this second of three debates? Our chief Washington correspondent, George Stephanopoulos, here with the “Nightline Report Card.” George, first, strategy. What's the grade?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: For Barack Obama, Barack Obama gets an “A” there. John McCain gets a “B plus.” And here's what happened in strategy. I thought John McCain started out very strong. He had that proposal to buy up all the bad mortgages. He clearly was going to press on the attack on Barack Obama, on taxes and several other issues, his ties to Fannie Mae. But here's what Obama did tonight. He answered the tax charge again. He said 95 percent of Americans are going to get a tax cut. One of his strongest domestic moments was on health care. Clear distinction between the candidates. He says it’s a right. John McCain says it’s a responsibility. But where I really think Barack Obama won the debate tonight in strategy is on foreign policy. He took-

MORAN: Foreign policy?

STEPHANOPOULOS: He took the debate to John McCain, took it to John McCain's judgment, jujitsued the line that John McCain used in the last debate about how Barack Obama doesn't understand foreign policy.

BARACK OBAMA: It's true, there's some things I don't understand. I don't understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 while Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda are setting up base camps and safe havens to train terrorists to attack us.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And then he drove it home, Terry. They talked about Pakistan. Three times in the debate tonight, Barack Obama is the candidate up there saying I'm going to go after Osama bin Laden, no matter what the Pakistanis say.

MORAN: John McCain sort of letting that happen up there. So Barack Obama the edge on strategy. Style. The body language? What’s the grade?

STEPHANOPOULOS: On style, Obama “A minus,” McCain “A minus.”  I thought they both used the stage and used this format very well. They both roamed the stage very well. They were both very well aware of the camera angles at all times. You're exactly right. You pointed it out in your piece. I thought McCain had his absolute best moment when he walked up to that chief petty officer, put his arm on his shoulder, and said, “I thank you for your service.” But, and we should talk about this, you might downgrade McCain just a bit for a moment that came about halfway through the debate where he seemed to show again some disdain for Barack Obama.

MORAN: Where he essentially was talking about the energy bill that McCain voted against, Obama voted for. I'm not sure if we have this clip. Essentially what John McCain did in that moment was say, you'll be surprised to find out who voted against it. And he kind of pointed over to Obama and says, “That one.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: Now, that didn't really strike me-

MORAN: Me, neither.

STEPHANOPOULOS: -in the moment, yet, the Obama people are pushing it pretty hard. They’re saying it showed disdain again. What surprises me even more, in the spin room tonight, the Republican National Committee is acting as if they’re going to use this as a slogan. They're going to keep saying “that one” about Barack Obama. I think that’s a huge mistake.

MORAN: I’m missing the point of that altogether.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I’m not sure I get it, either.

MORAN: I’m not even sure it’s that demeaning. All right, finally, we got the accuracy issue.

STEPHANOPOULOS: On this one, Obama gets an “A minus” and McCain gets a “B plus.” They were both within the range that you would expect for political talk. The reason, I think,  McCain does a little bit worse on this, two attacks he makes on taxes which just every fact check organization has said is just wrong. When he says Barack Obama raised taxes 94 times, it's simply not true. He's jumbling together a whole bunch of different votes which include votes against tax cuts.

MORAN: And he did mention that part of it tonight.

STEPHANOPOULOS: That part of it. And then second, he says that 50 percent of small businesses will get a tax increase under Barack Obama. Again, that's just not true. The best we could see is maybe 15 percent.

MORAN: All right, bottom line here, who won the second presidential debate?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Obama is two for two.

MORAN: He’s two for two because you had him winning the first one.

STEPHANOPOULOS: He definitely won tonight. I think, again, he showed over the course of this debate, over the course of the two debates, he is answering the number one question Americans have about him. Does he have the experience it takes to serve effectively as President? Over the course now of three hours of debates, he is answering that question minute by minute.

MORAN: Do you think that Obama has, as I pointed out in the piece, a kind of cooler demeanor up there, a little more distant, professorial even.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And here's how it's working for him. We've been in the midst of the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression over the last three weeks. One of the things you’ve seen because of that steady demeanor,  the number of Americans, according to our ABC polling, who see Barack Obama as the safe choice,  the safe choice in this election, are 55 percent Obama, 51 percent McCain. Obama is passing McCain on that score in part because of his steady, calm demeanor.

MORAN: Big surprise there in those numbers. George Stephanopoulos, with the “Nightline Report Card,” awarding debate number two to Barack Obama.

—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center


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I haven't cared what

I haven't cared what Stephie says since he was a Clinton stooge.

Didn't care much then, either.

 

"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now

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George who?

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He may be right, but why on

He may be right, but why on earth does anyone think that George Stephanopoulos is an impartial arbiter of anything?

This baloney of  political operatives suddenly becoming "journalists" is nothing but B as in B, S as in S.

Didn't need this to start my day today!

 

Winning debates

The myth is that the campaign spins, and the media reviews. But the analysts for the media are all ex-spinners from each party. The analysts have never stopped spinning. This is no longer analysis, it's advocacy. Linda Douglass went from media to campaign, with hardly a difference in what she says. Stephanopolous went from campaign to media, and what he says now is little different from what he used to say as Clinton's hack.

And this whole idea about "grading" is offensive. First, they begin with a curve. It's not enough for Obama and McCain to describe their views. Instead, because Obama is ahead in some polls by a few points (though McCain was within the margin of error before the first one), the test was whether McCain could provoke Obama into saying something embarrassing. Which leaves us with the question: Does the scale of embarrassment increase with each poll point?

  • When Obama was up by one point, did McCain have to make Obama say something "one-point" stupid?
  • And then if Obama goes up by five, McCain has to make Obama say something "five-point" stupid?

If Obama goes up by eight, does McCain need to trick Obama into saying something criminal?

When the pundits got involved, they accelerated this idiotic myth. It soon became clear that unless Obama physically vomited on the moderator, he would be the "clear" winner. And when the moderator survived with no vomit on his desk, hacks like Stephanopolous cheered that it was a "win" for Obama. Look, no vomit!

The other thing that annoys me is the "authority" curve. Joe Biden was clearly in command of the VP debate, because he spoke with such confidence. But half of what he said was wrong; and ridiculously wrong. The media's ignored his babbling, and assured us that he really understands the things he seems unable to discuss intelligently. (On what evidence?) Biden claimed to eat in a restaurant that had been gone for decades. Biden could have claimed that the leprechauns taught him to fly, and the media would have paid no attention.

But he spoke so confidently. He looked so presidential.

These people are analysts?

The other thing that annoys

The other thing that annoys me is the "authority" curve. Joe Biden was
clearly in command of the VP debate, because he spoke with such
confidence. But half of what he said was wrong; and ridiculously wrong.

KC, I've worked with people like that.  One guy had a habit of making "pronouncements" which often as not were completely wrong, but he said them with authority, so a lot of the younger naive workers would think he was brilliant. 

With Biden, a lot of people don't know that what he said was wrong, and the media are not about to inform them.  We are really up against an unbeatable machine here.

When you control information, you control everything.

We are so screwed.

We are so screwed

LOL! My thoughts exactly.

Of course, the flip side to the "authority" curve is the "thoughtfulness" curve. That's when they pause and try to compose an answer. But you can never tell whether they're marshalling the various arguments into a coherent whole, or they're waiting for the bird-chirping and cricket sounds to stop.

Hey,

I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that Boy George will have B.H.O. winning the 3rd debate. Anybody willing to bet me?

Are you kidding? I am

Are you kidding?

I am hoarding my cash right now, there is no way I would take a loser like that! lol

"We just want truth, we want fairness. We want that balance." ~ Sarah Palin (re: hypocricy of the press)

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

He recorded this 3 days

He recorded this 3 days before the debate and is recording the winner for the next debate as we speak.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

Does It Really Matter?

I was watching this debate while flying home last night on business (thank you jetBlue).

This was an election that required a candidate to fight with brass knuckles as Obama has done - and not a Senate veteran who plays by Marques of Kingsbury rules like McCain has.

This required a candidate like Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin - not someone who has left his military instincts behind too long ago and has been in the Senate for too long.

With the mainstream media refusing to do its job concerning Obama, it was McCain's obligation to this country (remember "country first") to expose Obama for the person he truly is and then let them decide on their own.

McCain waited until it was too late and even then has been doing a horrific job of that.

We have seen ups and downs in the economy for many years - all were expected - all were manageable. As long term as the causes of this problem have been, I do believe that the government has done more than it should have and now the free market needs to flush through the virus it was contaminated with.

Obama will do the opposite and history has shown that the more government's interfere in the free market economy the more the downturn will be protracted out and worsen.

I would recommend to all here to read "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes. It is a renewed look at the Great Depression. Much of what led up to it and how it was handled is very disturbing, but more importantly it helps you to foresee that an Obama presidency will lead to the worst economy this country's, and this world's, history.

 

He's a ghost

McCain reminded me of a ghost- not quite there. My friends, we are screwed.

While I also have the

While I also have the feeling of dread that we could be screwed, I also am thinking why us conservatives aren't all throwing our support behind Bob Barr. Yeah he's a third party candidate and doesn't support the war in Iraq but he's the only candidate with more than 2% in the polls who actually opposes the bailout strongly and everything on the domestic side he hits the nail on the head.

I completely agree that the Republicans were screwed for choosing McCain over Romney, Thompson or even Huckabee (I don't think that he would have went too well either) but I find myself not wanting to buy the notion that we only have two choices between evil this time around.

I am making any sense or am I alone on this one?

GameGrid... Bob Barr

GameGrid...

Bob Barr can't win. If evry Conservative in this country voted for Barr, he still can't win. There are too many in the center that would NOT vote for him and that would be the game changer. 

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Hussein lies again....

I was just wondering if anyone else caught the two biggest lies that Hussein told last night.

1. We went into Iraq and Bin Laden got away.
2. This financial crisis is a result of the last 8 years of Bush economic policy.

And I didn’t hear McCain correct the record. Palin would have jumped on his skinny ass and given him a verbal beatdown.

Palin/McCain; not McCain/Palin

Tellya what

After the 1st question and response, I threw all the pillows in the room at the TV, turned it off and when to bed. That was enough time for me to have my suspicions confirmed. It was obvious that it was going to be the same old milk-toast crap from John McCain, God love him.

I knew that he would stand there and repeat, over and over, "MMMYYY FRIENDSSSS". NO COURAGE, NO ATTACKS, like he had a 10 point lead in the polls. Stand there and let the most inexperienced candidate for the presidency go totally unchallenged about it. Stand there and let the candidate with the most liberal voting record in American history go totally unchallenged. Stand there and let the only candidate in American history that has a record of friends, church associations, a wife and more that show open hatred for America. Our great nation that has done more for humanity than any society in the history of the world and they hate it.

Barack Huusein Obama, stands there with the most indefensable life to have ever run for the presidency with the exception of David Duke and McCain just stands there and says "My Friends" and fails to attack. 

This has been nothing but a replay of the Bob Dole campaign. This man has no desire whatsoever to win this election.

He should step aside immediately and let Sarah Palin assume the banner with Condi Rice as her Vice Presidential nominee.

I have had it, I am sick of it and I don't want to see John McCain's face again. I will vote for one reason and that is for Sarah Palin.

May God help America.

PLEASE READ

Everyone is missing the point--Stephanopolis obliquely raises it. Why does Obama run on hope and change for the future? Why is everything Obama says about the future? The answer is simple, yet the McCain campaign hasn't pointed it out once effectively: When one's resume is thin and one hasn't done much of anything to recommend himself for the job, he can only talk about the future. If Obama came into my office with his resume, I wouldn't hire for anything above a mid-level position until he gained more experience. 

I am positive that the Obama camp speaks about hope and change and the future as a conscious attempt to cover up Obama's lack of experience and thin resume. If you don't have experience, all you can do is talk about what you want to do in the future and pray no one asks you about the past. When the McCain camp speaks about the past, it shouldn't be about Ayers. Wright, etc. It should experience, experience, and more about Obama's lack of experience. This Ayers and Wright stuff only makes McCain look desperate. McCain should go against Obama mano-a-mano on experience. That is McCain critical strength and Obama's critical weakness. The McCain camp should sink every penny they have into defining Obama as a novice in a dangerous world, which he is.

For the next 28 days, McCain should drop everything and hammer this point home. No terrorist, no Ayers, simply expose Obama's tactics for what they are: a method for changing the subject from his utter lack of experience. Expose this whole "hope, change, and future meme for what it is: a concerted effort to pettifog the issue of experience.

At the next debate when Obama speaks about the future, McCain should pause, look at him and say, "I would talk about ther future too had I done nothing in the past." It would be a Reganesque moment and would blow Obama away, thus waking the independents into reality in the process.

Obama is the like the sexually excited male ant floating down the river screaming, "Raise the drawbridge!" He simply does not have the substance to lead anyone to think his projections for the future have any grounding in reality.

Kirk, you're not telling

Kirk, you're not telling any of us anything we don't know. 

It is obvious, when one has nothing to recommend him in his past, he runs on promises for the future.  As in, this is what I will give you. This is what I will do to make your life easier.  Not better, just easier.  Don't worry about saving for college, we'll pay for it. Don't worry about spending your money on health insurance; we'll give it to you.  

It's all about promising everything.

We're screwed 08

Yeah, but the MSM misses every ironic concoction. Democrats refuse to meet or negotiate with their adversaries (Republicans). Yet life according to Obama, "meeting with" and "understanding terrorist" and despots is job one. When liberals like Joe Lieberman & The Clinton's are damned by their own villagers ... the monster's too big to control. 

MB, yes it is an obvious

MB, yes it is an obvious point to us conservatives, however, clearly it is NOT to moderates otherwise Obama wouldn't be even in consideration.  We have learned to recognize the spin, the moderates who don't follow the political beat and who don't cast a cynical eye upon the babble that comes out of politicians mouths are naive to it.

At the next debate when Obama speaks about the future, McCain should pause, look at him and say, "I would talk about ther future too had I done nothing in the past." It would be a Reganesque moment and would blow Obama away, thus waking the independents into reality in the process.

Excellent suggestion.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Yes I am

My whole point is that I am telling you all something you don't know--I mean, you know it, but you don't REALLY know it. So far it is a point that has been glossed over, given lip service, but not pounded for all it has; it is the alpha point, the pivot, out there hiding in plain sight while everyone says yeah, yeah, so what. It is the point that the democrats and Obama himself pray every night you don't recognise.

McCain speaks about his experience, but he doesn’t draw a stark enough contrast between himself and Obama. This "not ready to lead" is only a tangential effort to paint Obama as inexperienced. It is WEAK! It has no focus; it is a fuzzy message. You need to go into the nuts and bolts of it such as: Obama has served 300 days in the Senate: McCain has served 5,840--big strokes.  If you can define Obama as inexperienced, which he is, you win. Nothing else will work now. The "high-concept" version is: Since these are the most dangerous times in 80 years, do you want an amateur or a pro? If you tie Obama’s high-minded talk about the future to a conscious attempt to obfuscate the past, you turn his strength against him. Every time he mentions the future (which is all he dues), he loses. You make “future” synonymous with “inexperience” in the public mind, thus killing his appeal. There is plenty of time left to accomplish this.

It is the only strategy that will win the election for McCain.

It's Unanimous!

Liberals will choose style over substance 99.999% of the time.

I was pissed when McCain offered his bailout plan for those who financed real estate  by choosing ARM's and who bought HIGH. I wonder how many conservatives that socialist plan turned off? We're screwed.

Style over substance,

Style over substance, emotion over logic, slogans over standards, hope over sensible planning, collective guilt over personal responsibility.

Obama and the democrats have chosen once again to try to make the rest of us pay for their failures. No matter how many times attempts at socialism have failed they keep pushing that same tired rock up the hill and are amazed when it rolls back down again, crushing those in its path.

Damn, and the scoring was so close again!

GS: "Does he have the experience it takes to serve effectively as President? Over the course now of three hours of debates, he is answering that question minute by minute."

Stephie, enlighten us and explain exactly what questions is he answering? Participating in debates DOES NOT equate to executive experience, whether its 3 hours or 3,000. If this lame premise were true, every HS and college kid on a debate team could effectively serve as POTUS, according to GS.

 

Since Georgie boy is not

Since Georgie boy is not able to clearly articulate the performance of either candidate but only give in to his confirmation bias.  Let's view the performance of both Obama and McCain in context.  The context being the UNDECIDED VOTER, the only ones at this point who will make a difference.

After the first debate the FNC focus group of Undecided Voters gave it half and half.  The points of interest were they said Obama won on the economy and McCain won on foreign policy.  Ironic considering the debate was supposed to be about foreign policy only but Jim Lehrer had to toss the economic question in there to save Obama from a total rout.  Their criticism was McCain needed to connect more with the voter showing he understood their concerns, Obama needed to give more specifics.

After the second debate, the FNC focus group again gave it half and half.  The points of interest were they said Obama won on health care and McCain won on the economy.

Did you guys notice what happened???  John McCain despite our conservative view point, #1 connected with the voters concerns which addressed the criticism of the first focus group, #2 in doing so John McCain took the issue of the economy AWAY from Obama.  Obama did not get more specific as the first focus group said he should.

Did you guys notice that Obama changed his position on two items?  Nuclear power and drilling, Obama gave lip service to it since it lamely left his mouth when he uttered the phrases without conviction but it is clear his campaign staff see drilling and nuclear power as something the public wants. 

Where did McCain fall down?  #1 He did good to tie Obama to his failure to vote for reform of Fannie and Freddie in 2005, however, he did it tepidly since he should have more forcefully pointed out that Obama in lock step with the Democrat Party line refused reforms.  He should have identified Obama with 8 years of Democrat Party failure just as Obama attempted to indirectly claim McCain was identified with 8 years of the Bush Administration.  He should have named Barney Frank, Chrisopher Dodd and Chuck Schumer and said Obama followed their lead and did as he was told instead of standing up to his own Party when they were clearly wrong. In fact, Obama admitted the Party's error by claiming he wrote letters in 2006. 

#2 McCain lost a major opportunity with Obama's deceptive slogan of the US using 25% of the world's oil when we only produce 3% of it and then trailed off babbling about using alterative energy to replace oil as the way to hurt Iran.  a) the US creates 25% of the world's GDP and oil consumption is proportional to GDP, just look at Europe, they use a similar percentage of oil to produce their GDP. b) the reason the US only produces 3% is because of the drilling ban and we all know who is responsible for that! c) Alternative Energy only replaces electricity it does not replace oil!!!! Only a fractional amount of electricity is produced by oil, the bulk of electricity is produced by coal, nuclear and natural gas in the US - therefore alternative energy can NEVER hurt Iran. d) McCain should have said in addition to let's not raise taxes but cut spending and only spend wisely - domestic drilling is a major revenue source for the Treasury, we have lost literally billions of dollars in taxes and royalties every year by outsourcing our oil supply.  John McCain's question should have been why raise taxes when we could raise revenue WITHOUT going to the taxpayer again. e) Nor did McCain make the linkage of the Dem Party's 2006 broken promises to lower the price of gasoline thus causing people to lose jobs and therefore couldn't pay their mortgages.

#3 Social Security, McCain did not respond to Obama's obvious deception over prioritizing on social spending to save enough to meet SS requirements.  Obama admitted he is going to be spending MORE (investments) and McCain should have pointed out that "investments" is Democrat code word for spending MORE.  btw-McCain while trying to say he would be bipartisan in solving the SS funding issue didn't do himself any favors by implying it would be solved in the same manner as before, we were screwed on that deal as it did not separate the SS trust fund from the general budget thus allowing politicians to embezzle retirement funds for so called social investments. It's a pretty poor investment that only returns 1 to 2% for the money you put in it.  A point McCain needs to make is citizens would do far better parking their money in FDIC insured CDs than letting Social Security hold their money for them, that is why private accounts are necessary. 

To meet the criticism of this focus group, McCain in the last debate and of course with all the ads in the meantime, has to give more detail on his health care plan.  He needs to talk about how the $2500/$5000 (individual/family) tax credit would actually work.  He has to explain what his thinking was regarding making current employer paid contributions to a health plan income and to whom business or the employee.  Even his website is foggy on this. 

As far as Obama is concerned, he has to still give more detail which he can not do otherwise the public will realize the negatives he has in store for them.  Obama basically danced around trying to co-opt McCains strong points (drilling & nuclear power) to make his own negatives go away.  Look for Obama to do more co-opting and "agreeing" with McCain.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

#2 McCain lost a

#2 McCain lost a major opportunity with Obama's deceptive slogan of the
US using 25% of the world's oil when we only produce 3% of it and then
trailed off babbling about using alterative energy to replace oil as
the way to hurt Iran. 

Right.  McCain should have hit back strongly with Well the reason we only produce 3% of it is because that's the way Democrats want it!  They won't let us drill and produce more!

McCain's defeat is coming at his own hands. Howdy Doody would put up a bigger fight.

Running a "respectful" campaign is one thing.  Not fighting back is another.

McCain's defeat is coming

McCain's defeat is coming at his own hands. Howdy Doody would put up a bigger fight.

Running a "respectful" campaign is one thing.  Not fighting back is another.

 

This exactly why we are going to lose.  I was fearful of this way back when McCain denounced the Va. ad involving Rev. Wright.  He should have kept his mouth shut and let the ad run.  It was a legitimate issue, and other states might have run similar ads to target Obama's character.  Now McCain seems like a hypocrite going after Obama himself although he must do it.  I am afraid it's to little to late however.

Is McCain really trying?

I have not seen a Republican  "phone in" a run for President since Bob Dole gave a half hearted effort in 1996.  It appears to an outsider like myself that John McCain wants to keep a good working relationship with his future boss.  Like Clinton was a perfect target for anyone willing to tell the truth concerning his crimes and poor morals, so Obama is up to his neck in scandal and Racism.  But McCain seems intent on not hurting Obamas feelings.

George is right that Obama won but only because John McCain forfeited the debate. 

Can't be bothered

Hard to worry about what Steffie thinks, he's never publicly supported a republican. As far as Obama being cool and calm, keep this in mind. "If you can keep your cool when all those around you are losing theirs, you obviously misunderstand the seriousness of the problem!"

So predictable

This is so predictable that nobody cares.

I would like to point out a

I would like to point out a weakness Obama felt particularly sensitive about pay attention to his reaction and nuance to the charge he plans to invade Pakistan:

McCain: Well, Katie (ph), thank you.

You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say walk softly -- talk softly, but carry a big stick. Sen. Obama likes to talk loudly.

In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable.

You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion.

When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us.

Now, let me just go back with you very briefly. We drove the Russians out with -- the Afghan freedom fighters drove the Russians out of Afghanistan, and then we made a most serious mistake. We washed our hands of Afghanistan. The Taliban came back in, Al Qaeda, we then had the situation that required us to conduct the Afghan war.

Now, our relations with Pakistan are critical, because the border areas are being used as safe havens by the Taliban and Al Qaeda and other extremist organizations, and we have to get their support.

Now, General Petraeus had a strategy, the same strategy -- very, very different, because of the conditions and the situation -- but the same fundamental strategy that succeeded in Iraq. And that is to get the support of the people.

We need to help the Pakistani government go into Waziristan, where I visited, a very rough country, and -- and get the support of the people, and get them to work with us and turn against the cruel Taliban and others.

And by working and coordinating our efforts together, not threatening to attack them, but working with them, and where necessary use force, but talk softly, but carry a big stick.

Obama: Tom, just a...

Brokaw: Sen. McCain...

Obama: ... just a quick follow-up on this. I think...

McCain: If we're going to have follow-ups, then I will want follow-ups, as well.

Brokaw: No, I know. So but I think we get at it...

McCain: It'd be fine with me. It'd be fine with me.

Brokaw: ... if I can, with this question.

Obama: Then let's have one.

Brokaw: All right, let's have a follow-up.

McCain: It'd be fine with me.

Obama: Just -- just -- just a quick follow-up, because I think -- I think this is important.

Brokaw: I'm just the hired help here, so, I mean...

Obama: You're doing a great job, Tom.

Look, I -- I want to be very clear about what I said. Nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan. Sen. McCain continues to repeat this.

What I said was the same thing that the audience here today heard me say, which is, if Pakistan is unable or unwilling to hunt down bin Laden and take him out, then we should.

Now, that I think has to be our policy, because they are threatening to kill more Americans.

Now, Sen. McCain suggests that somehow, you know, I'm green behind the ears and, you know, I'm just spouting off, and he's somber and responsible.

McCain: Thank you very much.

Obama: Sen. McCain, this is the guy who sang, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," who called for the annihilation of North Korea. That I don't think is an example of "speaking softly."

This is the person who, after we had -- we hadn't even finished Afghanistan, where he said, "Next up, Baghdad."

So I agree that we have to speak responsibly and we have to act responsibly. And the reason Pakistan -- the popular opinion of America had diminished in Pakistan was because we were supporting a dictator, Musharraf, had given him $10 billion over seven years, and he had suspended civil liberties. We were not promoting democracy.

This is the kind of policies that ultimately end up undermining our ability to fight the war on terrorism, and it will change when I'm president.

McCain: And, Tom, if -- if we're going to go back and forth, I then -- I'd like to have equal time to go -- to respond to...

Brokaw: Yes, you get the...

McCain: ... to -- to -- to...

Brokaw: ... last word here, and then we have to move on.

McCain: Not true. Not true. I have, obviously, supported those efforts that the United States had to go in militarily and I have opposed that I didn't think so.

I understand what it's like to send young American's in harm's way. I say -- I was joking with a veteran -- I hate to even go into this. I was joking with an old veteran friend, who joked with me, about Iran.

But the point is that I know how to handle these crises. And Sen. Obama, by saying that he would attack Pakistan, look at the context of his words. I'll get Osama bin Laden, my friends. I'll get him. I know how to get him.

I'll get him no matter what and I know how to do it. But I'm not going to telegraph my punches, which is what Sen. Obama did. And I'm going to act responsibly, as I have acted responsibly throughout my military career and throughout my career in the United States Senate.

And we have fundamental disagreements about the use of military power and how you do it, and you just saw it in response to previous questions.

Brokaw: Can I get a quick response from the two of you about developments in Afghanistan this week? The senior British military commander, who is now leading there for a second tour, and their senior diplomatic presence there, Sherard Cowper-Coles, who is well known as an expert in the area, both have said that we're failing in Afghanistan.

The commander said we cannot win there. We've got to get it down to a low level insurgency, let the Afghans take it over. Cowper-Coles said what we need is an acceptable dictator.

If either of you becomes president, as one of you will, how do you reorganize Afghanistan's strategy or do you? Briefly, if you can.

Obama: I'll be very brief. We are going to have to make the Iraqi government start taking more responsibility, withdraw our troops in a responsible way over time, because we're going to have to put some additional troops in Afghanistan.

Gen. [David] McKiernan, the commander in Afghanistan right now, is desperate for more help, because our bases and outposts are now targets for more aggressive Afghan -- Taliban offenses.

We're also going to have to work with the Karzai government, and when I met with President Karzai, I was very clear that, "You are going to have to do better by your people in order for us to gain the popular support that's necessary."

I don't think he has to be a dictator. And we want a democracy in Afghanistan. But we have to have a government that is responsive to the Afghan people, and, frankly, it's just not responsive right now.

Brokaw: Sen. McCain, briefly.

McCain: Gen. Petraeus has just taken over a position of responsibility, where he has the command and will really set the tone for the strategy and tactics that are used.

And I've had conversations with him. It is the same overall strategy. Of course, we have to do some things tactically, some of which Sen. Obama is correct on.

We have to double the size of the Afghan army. We have to have a streamlined NATO command structure. We have to do a lot of things. We have to work much more closely with the Pakistanis.

But most importantly, we have to have the same strategy, which Sen. Obama said wouldn't work, couldn't work, still fails to admit that he was wrong about Iraq.

He still will not admit that he was wrong about the strategy of the surge in Iraq, and that's the same kind of strategy of go out and secure and hold and allow people to live normal lives.

And once they feel secure, then they lead normal, social, economic, political lives, the same thing that's happening in Iraq today.

So I have confidence that General Petraeus, working with the Pakistanis, working with the Afghans, doing the same job that he did in Iraq, will again. We will succeed and we will bring our troops home with honor and victory and not in defeat.

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Think about what an Obama foreign policy will be:  Obama said essentially he would have undermined Mushariff to install another government in Pakistan that is PC to his way of thinking in order to enlist their support.  This is just what Jimmy Carter did with the Shah and that gave us the nutjob running Iran. 

Notice Obama did not fault NATO armies for their poor performance in Afghanistan or their refusal to engage in combat?  Only the US, Canada, Australia and Briton are actually doing the fighting. The other NATO countries are restricted to non combat roles, big help they are!

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Biden won?  Yep, to the

Biden won?  Yep, to the liberal mind you win by speaking forcefully, regardless if you tell the truth or not.

Remember, to the MSM, Democrats always win the debates.  It's amazing how riots aren't a regular occurence when you fire up the audience (read, left-wing kooks) with false perceptions.

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