Six days after declaring Barack Obama the winner of the first presidential debate, following Thursday's VP debate George Stephanopoulos again decided the liberal Democrat in the debate, this time Joe Biden, was the winner -- but in assigning his “Nightline Report Card” grades he gave both Biden and Sarah Palin the same overall assessments: each got one A, one A-minus and one B. Asked by anchor Terry Moran to name “the winner,” Stephanopoulos argued:
Joe Biden, but boy, was this close. I think that Governor Palin did an awful lot to help herself tonight. There is no question that she beat expectations, that she was fluent, that she showed she could stand up there on the stage. She laid a couple of attacks there against Barack Obama, but going back to my first point on overall strategy, right now, this is a race where if John McCain cannot convince the country that he's going to take it in a different direction from President Bush, he simply cannot win...
The grades from ex-Democratic operative Stephanopoulos. On “Strategy,” an A for Biden and an A-minus for Palin; on “Style,” an A-minus for Biden and an A for Palin; and on “Accuracy,” a B for both.
He explained his “style” grades:
I think she tried the wink to the audience about four or five times over the course of the debate, and I think she really was connecting back with people at home. Joe Biden, a much more of a prosecutorial style, kind of a "just the facts" style. He said that several times over the course of the debate. The good thing for Biden is that the facts, on a lot of the issues the country agrees more with Joe Biden, right now at least, than it does with Sarah Palin.
My September 27 NewsBusters item, “In 'Nightline Report Card' Stephanopoulos Gives Obama the Win,” recounted:
Awarding Barack Obama two grades of A-minus and one B-minus while presenting John McCain with two grades of B-plus and one B-minus, at the end of his "Nightline Report Card" segment on Friday night, ABC's George Stephanopoulos declared Obama the "winner" -- with a big illustrative check mark on screen: "Bottom line, the winner is Barack Obama. He comes into this race where the country wants change. His number one goal was to show that he belonged on that stage. He was a credible commander-in-chief, that he could hold his own on national security. He did that tonight. He gets the win."
Transcript, provided by the MRC's Brad Wilmouth, of the “Nightline Report Card” segment on the Thursday, October 2 Nightline:
TERRY MORAN: And so the vice presidential debate is done. The candidates have spoken. How'd they do in this one-on-one, one chance to face off with each other? Our chief Washington correspondent, George Stephanopoulos, is back to grade tonight's performance in the “Nightline Report Card,” as they hammer away at dismantling the set behind us. George, first, what each candidate wanted to do, what they achieved. Strategy the first subject. What's the grade?GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: The most important subject, and the grade is "A" for Joe Biden, "A minus" for Sarah Palin. What was Joe Biden's strategy? It was clearly, he was going to debate John McCain tonight. He was not going to debate Sarah Palin. And he was going to do everything he could to say that John McCain would be a continuation of George W. Bush's presidency. That is the fundamental strategy of the Obama campaign, and Joe Biden hit it in every single answer tonight. He was coherent, he was consistent.
Now, Sarah Palin did quite well also. She showed she could handle the debate questions. She had a strategy to show herself as a Washington outsider who, in her own words, could connect with the heartland and to portray Barack Obama as a liberal, to try to drive a little bit of a wedge between Barack Obama and Joe Biden, particularly on the issue of Iraq. But on the fundamental core strategy of the campaigns, I think Biden gets the edge here because if John McCain cannot convince the country he's taking it in a different direction from President Bush, he cannot win this race. And that's the case that Joe Biden made tonight.
MORAN: So a couple of high grades on the strategy. Now, they were a study in contrasts up there. So let's turn to style.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And different grades there. We have an "A minus" for Joe Biden and "A" for Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin had the style points even before the debate began. You noticed that when she walked out and said, "Nice to meet you, Joe. Can I call you 'Joe'?" And then you saw that kind of folksy-
MORAN: She got under his skin a little bit.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it was also just very winning. It was very appealing. And you saw that throughout the debate. I think we have some video here also. I think she tried the wink to the audience about four or five times over the course of the debate, and I think she really was connecting back with people at home. Joe Biden, a much more of a prosecutorial style, kind of a "just the facts" style. He said that several times over the course of the debate. The good thing for Biden is that the facts, on a lot of the issues the country agrees more with Joe Biden, right now at least, than it does with Sarah Palin. And I think over the course of the debate at first he was, as you said, he started out a little bit slow, he started off a little bit prosecutorial, he did get a little more emotional towards the end, connect with the audience a little better at the end. But a slight edge here to Governor Palin.
MORAN: And quickly, George, what did you make of that moment when Joe Biden seemed to be very emotional when talking about his children in the hospital after his wife and daughter were killed.
STEPHANOPOULOS: That was something, he caught himself up over the course of that moment. I think he did see real tears and what must have been going through his mind was the fact that his son Beau is going to be going to Iraq over the weekend. He's going to be sending one of his sons off. There was one other moment on style that I have to pick up on Senator Biden. You notice that, during the debate on Afghanistan, Governor Palin called the commanding general in Afghanistan "General McClellan" twice. Now, Joe Biden knew that the General's name is "General David McKiernan," and you could just see him holding back, but he had been told, and he was determined not to correct her, not to give her that opening. And he did. He just said "commanding general."
MORAN: Interesting. All right. Final subject here. Accuracy: How'd they do?
STEPHANOPOULOS: B's, both got B's. Joe Biden and Sarah Palin both made some misstatements. You know, when Joe Biden said that Barack Obama never said he would meet with the President of Iran, and he was wrong there. When he said that John McCain voted exactly the same way as Barack Obama on a tax vote, he was wrong. Sarah Palin was wrong when she said that Joe Biden has increased, I mean that Barack Obama has voted to increase taxes 94 times, when she said that the government is going to take over health care. So they were about even on this. But these are kind of garden variety political exaggerations and misleading attacks.
MORAN: It's more or less what you expect in a debate. But the bottom line here, who's the winner, George?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Joe Biden, but boy, was this close. I think that Governor Palin did an awful lot to help herself tonight. There is no question that she beat expectations, that she was fluent, that she showed she could stand up there on the stage. She laid a couple of attacks there against Barack Obama, but going back to my first point on overall strategy, right now, this is a race where if John McCain cannot convince the country that he's going to take it in a different direction from President Bush, he simply cannot win. He comes in to this debate tonight, his team comes into this debate tonight, behind. Probably five or six points behind.
In fact, McCain campaign pulled out of the state of Michigan today, so they're basically giving up on the state of Michigan. So, even though Governor Palin may have done something to stop the slide for John McCain, there was no circuit breaker tonight, no big game-changing argument to get the momentum back to John McCain. Only John McCain can do that for himself. The next debate is on Tuesday.
MORAN: And that one, no question about it, is a lot of pressure on John McCain.
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





Awarding Barack Obama two grades of A-minus and one B-minus while presenting John McCain with two grades of B-plus and one B-minus, at the end of his "Nightline Report Card" segment on Friday night, ABC's George Stephanopoulos declared Obama the "winner" -- with a big illustrative check mark on screen: "Bottom line, the winner is Barack Obama. He comes into this race where the country wants change. His number one goal was to show that he belonged on that stage. He was a credible commander-in-chief, that he could hold his own on national security. He did that tonight. He gets the win."
STEPHANOPOULOS: And different grades there. We have an "A minus" for Joe Biden and "A" for Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin had the style points even before the debate began. You noticed that when she walked out and said, "Nice to meet you, Joe. Can I call you 'Joe'?" And then you saw that kind of folksy-














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Dishonesty and gross distortions
October 3, 2008 - 06:59 ET by needleOne could say that Biden won the debate UNTIL you factor in all the demerits for his dishonesty and gross distortions. When one takes that into consideration, Palin with her native born integrity won the debate hands down. It would have been better for Biden if he had stayed home.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
George Stephanopoulos is an
October 3, 2008 - 07:22 ET by kgGeorge Stephanopoulos is an Olbermann with half a brain.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
I stopped counting...
October 3, 2008 - 07:40 ET by ontheright...the lies, distortions and other blatant missrepresentations at 10.
After 10, the left side of my TV screen was in real jeopardy...
"The commanding General"
October 3, 2008 - 07:00 ET by GOPG8RI seriously doubt Biden knew the commanding General's name in Afghanistan. He would not have been able to help himself from correcting Palin. But wow ... George knows exactly what Biden is thinking!!
I also picked up on how
October 3, 2008 - 08:40 ET by ApacheI also picked up on how generic Biden was with the "the General". He didn't know.
I am mad
October 3, 2008 - 07:02 ET by SickofLibsDamn it! It was THAT close!
Biden came across as
October 3, 2008 - 07:05 ET by MidAmericaBiden came across as what he is, one of the 'good 'ol boys'. You know, one of those guys that obama is coming to Washington to shake up.
Biden reminds me of an
October 3, 2008 - 07:08 ET by motherbeltBiden reminds me of an aging gigolo. And that smarmy smile of his!! It hit me this morning who he reminds me of....Michael Caine in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels"
As opposed
October 3, 2008 - 07:40 ET by JasonCAs opposed to...McCain?
Look, you may have preferred what Palin had to say, but by any rational standard, Biden argued circles around her. There is no way he lost this debate. Being starry-eyed about Palin's down-home folksy wisdom (what else could it be with all those winking "you betchas"s?) does not mean that she presented the issues well.
Credit where credit is due. Palin did better than I expected and came across as a viable candidate for the first time since RNC. But her lacking grasp of foreign policy issues, as well as her own distortions of Obama's tax plan and voting record, were laid pretty bare by Biden's rebuttals.
Biden: B+
Palin: B-
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
You can't have it both ways,
October 3, 2008 - 07:47 ET by SmartypantsYou can't have it both ways, Jason C. If Biden won this debate, then McCain won the first one, because he tore Obama apart on virtually every topic in that debate, although Obama won the style points. This debate was exactly opposite of the first one. All Palin had to do was demonstrate that she could stand toe to toe with Biden, a lifetime D.C. insider. Biden is supposed to know the issues better than Palin; he's been in Washington forever. I'd hazard to guess he knows them better than Obama, too. Similarly, McCain blew Obama's doors off on both the economic and foreign policy issues. The whole mantra of the Obama/Biden ticket is "we're not Bush," which might work for them; however, that does not mean there is substance to it. Most of Biden's presentation yesterday can be summed up as "we're going to do it different than Bush". There were no specifics on his part either. Most of his "knowledge" comes osensibly from Monday-morning quarterbacking everything Bush has done wrong; that's easy to do after the fact. Your grade of Biden is biased and far too high; and Palin did better than your grade reflects as well.
I would say that McCain won
October 3, 2008 - 07:56 ET by JasonCI would say that McCain won last week, though it was extremely close; certainly not the barn-burner you're making it out to be.
Indeed, according to expectation, all Palin had to do was "hold her own", but technically, they were arguing as equals. In this respect, Palin was crushed. Palin lied outright about "raising a white flag", about the specifics of bills which would or would not finance the troops in certain ways, and about Obama's tax plan; the latter inflammatorily characterized as "redistribution of wealth."
Overall, Palin simply lacked substance. And neither candidate came off as particularly eloquent, though Biden prevailed there as well. A few "um, uh" moments and once or twice saying the wrong name and instantly correcting yourself is to be expected in the forum. As would a few grammatically-mangled and/or semantically-nonsensical sentences. I don't mean to be a stickler about a reasonable number of these things. But to paraphrase Kathleen Parker, if non sequiturs and dangling modifiers were currency, Palin could rescue the economy by herself.
Meanwhile:
"Maverick" Count: 9
Folksy Patoir ("you betcha", "doggone it", &c.) Count: 17
I had a running bet that if Palin continued on that course, within the last half hour she would say "You're darn tootin', Gwen!" I lost, but I feel it was a smart bet nonetheless. Again, a bit of this is fine, endearing even. A reliance on it is cheap, and reeks of pandering.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Palin lied outright about
October 3, 2008 - 08:02 ET by motherbeltPalin lied outright about "raising a white flag",
No, she didn't. Obama and Biden want to "end this war."
You don't "end" a war. You win it, lose it, or withdraw from it. Withdrawing is not "ending" it. It is giving up.
In other words: Surrender and retreat, no matter how you dress it up, or in how many "stages" you withdraw.
Obama now talks about "ending our involvement."
Do the words "Peace with honor" ring a bell?
»→ mb
October 3, 2008 - 08:09 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't take French in school. What's this "patoir" Jason is talking about? Does it mean "drop your guns and run"?
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Well, it was applied to
October 3, 2008 - 08:13 ET by JasonCWell, it was applied to Palin, so it certainly couldn't involve gun-dropping.
It basically just means a word that comes from a regional slang or dialect.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Thanks, Jason
October 3, 2008 - 08:42 ET by Cool ArrowFor a second I thought it was potted meat.
Just havin' fun
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
"I like to have some of
October 3, 2008 - 08:55 ET by JasonC"I like to have some of that potted meat from time to time, but I heard it has peckers in it, mmhmm..."
Anyone?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Slingblade
October 4, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Cool ArrowI like to have some of that potted meat from time to time, but I heard it has peckers in it, mmhmm - Joe Biden
And Jason,
October 3, 2008 - 17:22 ET by motherbeltIt's "patois" not "patoir"
If only the S and R keys
October 4, 2008 - 17:00 ET by JasonCIf only the S and R keys were a little closer, I could claim it was a typo...
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ No prob Jason
October 4, 2008 - 17:04 ET by Cool ArrowI like some things about France.
Like that great Impressionist Renois.
We kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon - Joe Biden
We "won the war" in April
October 3, 2008 - 15:50 ET by JasonCWe "won the war" in April 2003. And perhaps again, one could argue, with the surge (yes, I think the surge was great and give McCain credit for it, how about that). Working to draw down troop presence, and setting timelines to do so - timelines which might actually light a fire under certain layabout Iraqi politicians' collective asses - is not on par with raising a white flag. We have demonstrated our military might there more than adequately. What we are doing now is political and infrastructural rebuilding and providing security for same. That should not be our job indefinitely, and it is a continued strain on our own plummeting economy. Meanwhile, the aforementioned layabout Iraqi politicians have little incentive to take the reins; they are getting a free lunch.
Palin acted as if we were going to reinstall the Sunnis in power and put Hussein statues back up around downtown Baghdad. It's an inflammatory, inaccurate characterization, and a very solid majority of the country currently disagrees with her on this one. Referring to it in terms of surrender and cowardice is a weak gambit to persuade the public into believing that such reasonable measures are in fact un-American, an insult to the troops, &c. &c.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason, you say they are
October 3, 2008 - 09:38 ET by SmartypantsJason, you say they are "arguing as equals," but then so were Obama and McCain, and McCain did blow Obama's doors off, especially in terms of foreign policy. Obama started stammering, hemming and hawing, etc., because Obama's foreign policy positions do not make logical sense. He's backed himself into a corner with some misstatements and he is now backing off of them.
In terms of a presidential or vice-presidential debate, the goal is to win over voters. In that sense, the "winner" of the debate is the person who convinces more people to vote for him/her. Although I felt McCain won his debate, I thought Obama did well enough to accomplish this. The polls reflected that, as Obama's numbers went up after that debate. This time, I think Palin may have lost on substance overall, but she made enough good points and enough of a presence to win over more voters than did Biden. She held her own against a 30 year Washington insider. We'll see if the polls reflect what I think is true.
When you compare...
October 3, 2008 - 07:49 ET by ontheright...honesty, integrity and overall believability - Palin wins hands down and then some.
Those of us who truly pay attention, were able to pick out the liberal lies, easily. They were that obvious. Wasn't rocket science, that's for sure.
Unfortunately, the vision and judgement of those who are drowning in the Obamessiah kool-aid drenched promises of "change and hope",will never be able to see through the smoke screen.
Sad really.
All of those criteria are
October 3, 2008 - 08:00 ET by JasonCAll of those criteria are highly subjective and prone to major bias depending on the viewer. It would not be difficult to pick out the lies and omissions that either candidate made, thus rendering your first and last criteria moot. As for integrity, I'm not sure how you're defining that, nor where you saw it in Sarah Palin. I guess I just don't get it.
But really, who can deny that Biden out-argued Palin and demonstrated a more nuanced, knowledgable grasp of the issues. That is how one judges the winner of a debate, believe it or not; not on who presents the more appealing platform, but who better argues for it. If the former were all we based it on, then debate winners would always just be decided along ideological lines and rendered meaningless.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
winner
October 3, 2008 - 08:05 ET by AgnosticWe have a winner "...then debate winners would always just be decided along ideological lines and rendered meaningless."
I have to agree that is where we are with these debates. Also, like polls, they are generally just a tool to create fodder for the media.
Jason
October 3, 2008 - 09:26 ET by well99Well since I dont consider you judge of rational standard I know Palin won.Oh by the way did you forget Joe Bidens 14 lies or they just dont count.I will bet she knows where Auschwitz is and doesnt think her uncle liberated it like Obama's.Maybe she was haveing a Selma moment.See the problem with elitist is they expect all politicians to do that double talk speak.To talk like a regular person is "folksy".Newsflash:People are tired of all the lies coming from elites.You have nothing but elites in the goverment and look at the wonderful job they have done.
I'm sorry, but the fact
October 3, 2008 - 15:57 ET by JasonCI'm sorry, but the fact that the government/nation is currently in hot water is not necessarily a sign - not to me, at least - that the problem resides in the basic fact that the gov't is composed primarily of experienced, knowledgable, educated people (which is apparently all conservatives mean these days when they refer to the dreaded, epithetic "elite"), nor does it mean we should be so eager to turn these responsibilities over whole hog to people who use the phrase "Joe Sixpack" without irony and whose appeal lies almost purely in their personality. After last night's debate, I like Biden for the office of POTUS - not just veep - a whole lot more than I did before. I wouldn't care if he had come off as elitist - which he did not - because he demonstrates mastery of the issues.
As an aside, does nobody else think that that term, Joe Sixpack, used toward the mythical Average American, is a little condescending? Why not just call us Eddie Punchclock and Suzy Homemaker?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason
October 3, 2008 - 18:01 ET by well99I not talking about the ones who actually do the work.I talking about Obama,Franks,Dodd,Reid,Pelosi and rest of those scuts.There is a difference between those that use this country as their private domain and those that actually do the work.They have cost people their money,jobs and caused a economic hardship on too many familys.That is ok it is politics as usual.I will take someone who is doing something for folks they represent then someone who leechs off them.I guess it is ok to be corrupt if you have the right degree.
The verdict on "Morning
October 3, 2008 - 07:06 ET by motherbeltThe verdict on "Morning Joe" is that Palin won.
Of course, Mika had to qualify it with (paraphrasing) because she didn't stumble or fumble....
Stephy and Moron
October 3, 2008 - 07:09 ET by well99They are just like everyone in the msm.They have a preset view.They just wallow in lies like a pig in mud.I have no use for the scuts and they dont talk for Americans but elitist punks.
Stephie
October 3, 2008 - 07:39 ET by ForbusObama was able to hold his own in the presidential debate...so he was the winner. Palin holds her own (and more) in the VP debate...so Biden's the winner.
Got it, George!
He's a liberal, what else can we expect.
October 3, 2008 - 07:14 ET by c5thenIt's like in the recent olympic boxing...Any one verses a Chinese contender could not win unless they knocked out their opponent. The same was true with a US boxer vs anuone else. The US boxer had to knockout his opponent.
When a liberal and a conservative debate, Stephanopoulus will automatically grant the win to the liberal unless they get 'knocked out'. Since it was basically a tie last night, that means that the liberal wins by default.
But think about this...Biden has been a Senator for 20+ years and debates around once a week on average when the Senate is in session. He's also run for President twice. He was going up against Sarah Palin a mayor from Wassilla AK., and the Governor of AK for only two years. And it was a tie!
It's as if a college hockey team played an NHL team and tied them. George would award the win to the NHL squad because they 'looked crisper'.
She scored a hat trick on
October 3, 2008 - 07:21 ET by BuffNBoneShe scored a hat trick on the other person. I'd say George would award the win because they looked bigger and that's all he can think of.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Shocking
October 3, 2008 - 07:34 ET by northoneWow. What shock! George Stephanopoulos, former Clinton administration operative and life-long Democratic, now an objective, non-partisan member of ABC News and the MSM, actually believes Biden won the debate. Indeed a shocking development!!
A "B" for Accuracy?
October 3, 2008 - 08:11 ET by GlennA list of 14 Biden Lies....
Biden's 14 Lies
Fresh from the McCain people.
JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
14, Interesting...
October 3, 2008 - 08:50 ET by needle... I think that is approximately the number of times Biden spoke.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
No, 15
October 3, 2008 - 10:31 ET by needleThere was another lie that I heard last night, and that the Democrats have been repeating often; namely, that it will take ten years before we will get one drop of oil from the recently mandated expanded drilling.
No, that is not true. In my experience it generally takes just a few months between the start of setting up a rig, and oil or gas flowing, so long as it does not turn out to be a dry hole.
What the Democrats may be telegraphing here is that they will continue to vigorously obstruct oil and gas exploration with the goal that it will still take ten years before the rest of us will get any benefit. If that is what they mean, then this is another distortion, let’s call it #16.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
George...buddy...really???
October 3, 2008 - 08:20 ET by connorinBefore the debate you said that Biden would at some point HAVE to respond to Palin attacks. Every talking head last night said that Biden did not respond to Palin attacks. By definition, he did not do what you said he HAD to do. So, how can you still give him the win (especially since you gave both the same grades)? oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh...that's right...you (like 70% of the "reporters" out there used to be democrat advisors...so I guess the Dem winning is just the default position...
What's all this "report card" crap?
October 3, 2008 - 08:26 ET by CrashIsn't boy George of the crowd who doesn't like handing out grades, and likes giving out trophies to the losing team?
Whenever I see such sophomoronic "reporting" I think, isn't he suppose to give a report instead of handing out grades, and was boy George watching the same debate?
Let’s not perpetuate the long prevalent Washington gridlock
October 3, 2008 - 08:37 ET by needleAs I mentioned above, Biden overwhelmingly distinguished himself with his dishonesty and gross distortions in last night's debate.
So, let’s see: Obama selects Biden to provide depth of experience to the Democratic ticket, eh? And just what does this, taking into account the thoroughly shabby nature of Biden’s performance last night, say concerning the kind of “Hope and Change” that Obama & Co. has in store for the nation? Answer: More and more of same ole same ole. In other words, continued corrupt partisan gridlock, with the only “change” being the names and ancestry of the people sticking it to us.
And Biden has the gall to try to claim that McCain/Palin are going to perpetuate the long prevalent situation in Washington. That is just another dishonesty; but who is counting?
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
STEPHANOPOULOS: The next
October 3, 2008 - 08:42 ET by ThisnThatSTEPHANOPOULOS: The next debate is on Tuesday. And ,I have already marked down Obama as the winner. I'll come up with additional conflicting reasons immediately following the debate, because I know you, the audience, are simply too stupid or lazy to compare my reasons with any of my past statements -- so, I get a PASS, cause the MSM is protecting my A....
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I am sure Biden was the
October 3, 2008 - 15:32 ET by msh1973I am sure Biden was the winner in Stephie's little world, surrounded by that bubble he lives in. What a moron!