The Iraq War was The Right Thing To Do!

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By Free Stinker
June 24, 2007 - 21:01 ET

There were plenty of reasons to overthrow Saddam.

Saddam Hussein used Chemical weapon in three different situations, attacked 6 nations, violated the terms of the Gulf War surrender, planned the assassination of a former US President, collaborated with and harbored terrorists, and was – according to the New York Times – one year away from building an Atomic Bomb before he was finally overthrown.

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FREE's WMD LIST - UPDATED

June 24, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Free Stinker

Here is a list update for June 24, 2007 (List v.4.0)

Hat Tip to Chris Donohoe, Sua Sponte 75, NL207, dahliatravers, and Mean Gene Dr. Love for some of the descriptions & links.

I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.

  1. Chemical weapons used against Iran: BBC - Chemical weapons: Blister agents
  2. Chemical weapons used against Kurds: BBC - Iraqi Kurds recall chemical attack
  3. Chemical weapons used against Sunnis: Human Rights Watch - The Iraqi Government Assault on the Marsh Arabs
  4. President Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, and others also thought Saddam had WMD: SNOPES - See these Statements & see Acsa.net too
  5. Nancy Pelosi issued a statement: www.House.gov - “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology”

II. There is a long list of WMD, delivery systems (banned conventional weapons) found in Iraq

  1. Anthrax: CNN - Laurie Mylroie: Is Iraq involved with U.S. terror attacks?
  2. Chemical Weapons: Foxnews - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
  3. NEW! Chemical Weapons: DoD - Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
  4. Cyanide: Free Republic - Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
  5. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - U.S.: Mobile labs found in Iraq
  6. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - Second suspected mobile weapons lab found in Iraq
  7. Mobile Chem Labs: Free Republic - Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories (Translation)
  8. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: United Nations – Unresolved Disarmament Issues
  9. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: Free Republic - 2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage
  10. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: Foxnews - Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
  11. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: CNN - Gas shell findings a concern for Iraq arms inspector
  12. Nuclear Bomb: CNN - Defector: Iraq could have nukes by 2005
  13. Nuclear Bomb: New York Times – Saddam was one year away from building nuclear bomb
  14. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Saddam Met with his Nuclear Group in 2002 (Translation)
  15. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Secret Nuclear Project (Translation)
  16. Nuclear Bomb: MSNBC - Interview with a Bombmaker: Saddam Hussein’s former atomic-bomb developer says Iraq is on course to gain ‘full nuclear status’
  17. Radiation Device: Free Republic - Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device (Translation)
  18. Sarin: MSNBC - Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq
  19. Sarin: CBS News - Iraq Sarin Find Worries U.S.
  20. Unexamined Bunkers: NY Sun - Ex-Officer Spurned on WMD Claim
  21. Uranium: Newsmax - The Uranium Joe Wilson Didn't Mention
  22. Uranium: Newsmax - Tapes: Saddam Hussein Had Secret Uranium Enrichment Program
  23. Uranium: Free Republic - Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT.
  24. NEW! Uranium: Washington Post - U.S. Faulted for Leaving Tons of Uranium in Iraq
  25. NEW! Uranium: USA Today - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization
  26. Various WMD: WorldNet Daily - Saddam's WMD have been found
  27. NEW! Various WMD: CIA - DCI Special Advisor Report on Iraq's WMD
  28. WMD moved out of Iraq: MSNBC - Officials: Terrorist attacks in Jordan averted
  29. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - New evidence: Saddam's WMD in Lebanon
  30. NEW! WMD moved out of Iraq: NY Sun - Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
  31. WMD moved out of Iraq: The Sunday Telegraph - Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
  32. WMD moved out of Iraq: Newsmax - Iraqi General: Syria Gave Al-Qaida Saddam's WMDs WMD hidden in Syria
  33. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Surprise, surprise! Saddam had WMDs after all
  34. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
  35. WMD moved out of Iraq: Free Republic - Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria (Translation)
  36. Chemical Material: Free Republic - Chemical Material Hidden Underground (Translation)
  37. Chemical Platoon: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document Dated 2001 Shows Chemical Platoon Still Exists And Active (Translation)
  38. Chemical Suits/Gear: CNN - UK: Chemical suits found in Iraq
  39. Chemical Suits/Gear: Free Republic - Chemical Gear for The Chemical Group (Translation)
  40. MiGs, a banned weapon: BBC - Iraqi aircraft 'buried in desert'
  41. Missiles, a banned weapon: Foxnews - U.S. Army Finds Buried Ammunition Cache in Iraq
  42. Missles, a banned weapon: Slate - This Was Not Looting

III. Saddam Hussein had a History of Aggression, attacking 6 other nations.

  1. Attacked Iran launching the Iran-Iraq War: Bartleby.com - Iran-Iraq War
  2. Attacked Kuwait launching Gulf War: Nti.org - Missile Chronology (Note, #3-5 same link)
  3. Attacked Saudi Arabia (Gulf War): (see #2)
  4. Attacked Israel (Gulf War): (see #2)
  5. Attacked Qatar (Gulf War): (see #2)
  6. Attacked Bahrain (Gulf War): CNN - Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq

IV. Terrorists have been found in Iraq & there were numerous associations between Iraq & terrorists

  1. Abu Niddal, Rome Airport Massacre: National Review - Dead Terrorist in Baghdad
  2. Abu Abbas (#1): CNN - U.S. captures mastermind of Achille Lauro hijacking
  3. Abu Abbas (#2): BBC - Cruise ship hijacker dies in Iraq
  4. Ayman al-Zawahiri: CNN - Pentagon: Bin Laden deputy complains about money, Iraq tactics
  5. al-Zarqawi: Kaleejtimes.com (running an AP story) - Saddam refused to hand Zarqawi to Jordan: King Abdullah
  6. al-Zarqawi: Free Republic - Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started
  7. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaida: Slate - A Loser's History
  8. NEW! Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Saddam's al Qaeda Connection
  9. NEW! Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Case Closed
  10. NEW! Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Yes, There Is a Connection
  11. Saddam worked with Terrorists: NY Sun - Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show
  12. Saddam worked with Terrorists: CNN - On tape, Hussein talks of WMDs
  13. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)
  14. Saddam recruiting Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)
  15. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers
  16. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 (Translation)
  17. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. (Translation)
  18. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden
  19. Saddam paid Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered 25,000 Dollars for Each Suicide Terrorist Against Israel
  20. Saddam recruited Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence Asks Hamas To Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against The US
  21. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Foxnews - Marines Discover Terror Training Camp Near Baghdad
  22. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Weekly Standard – Saddam's Terror Training Camps
  23. Terrorist camp in Iraq: MSNBC - Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq
  24. Terrorist camp in Iraq: PBS – Interview: Sabah Kodah
  25. Terrorist camp in Iraq: GlobalSecurity.org - Salman Pak / Al Salman
  26. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Guardian - Al-Qaida running new terror camp, say Kurds
  27. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Intelmessages.org - Salman Pak - Iraq's Own Terrorist Training Camp

V. Other Casus Belli

  1. Radar tracking & SA missiles fired upon "No Fly Zone" Aircraft: Cdi.org - Military Action in Iraq: 1990-2002 (a violation of Gulf War surrender terms)
  2. Assassination attempt on former President George Bush, Sr.: Washington Post - U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush

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and vietnam was a good thing

June 25, 2007 - 01:00 ET by

and vietnam was a good thing too...this will become a bigger embarassment to our country than vietnam!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Vietnam

June 26, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Jerry Mack

Montana Lyons:

As a Vietnam Vet I do not see myself as part of an embarassment. What I do see as an embarrassment are  people like your self. The difference in people like me and you is that I have and will defend your right to believe and say what ever you want to say. I will ask you the same question that I asked Which Wing. Exactly when would you defend your country? What is your criteria for picking up a weapon and fighting for our country?

Vietnam was

July 28, 2007 - 15:38 ET by Conservative Voice

Vietnam was an
embarrassment, but not from the military. It was the media giving hippies a
voice but not real Americans, Jane Fonda types, draft dodgers, Kerry the liar,
etc. And it was an embarrassment that feel gooders wanted to pull out because
they saw death and destruction, and it was an embarrassment that our political
leaders lacked a spine to do the right thing...don't give up until we win.
Going to Vietnam was the right thing, leaving Vietnam was a terrible mistake
that wasted even more lives in the wake of leaving. We allowed our friends
there to be slaughtered and we showed the Communists and other enemies that we
weren't fully committed.

Hopefully we won't repeat history with Iraq.

Montana

June 29, 2007 - 23:02 ET by Jerry Mack

ML: Do you have an answer?

~ Moonbata Lyons ~

June 30, 2007 - 22:59 ET by Free Stinker

Jerry,

The Troll formerly known as Moonbata Lyons is a hit-and-run poster. I would be very surprised if you heard back from him.

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Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

I respect you for going to Vi

July 1, 2007 - 03:09 ET by

I respect you for going to Vietnam probably not of your choice..the war was a mistake just as Iraq was a very big mistake

The last time we were really justified going to war was WW2

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

(1950-1953)

July 19, 2007 - 05:05 ET by Unsane

 Yeah, the Korean War was a big mistake too.  We should have left those Koreans to Kim Il-Sung's loving embrace.  Who needs yet another developed nation like South Korea when it could have been one big, happy, united prison under the Kims?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

ML

August 2, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Jerry Mack

I enlisted and would do it again. You still have not answered the question of when and where you would defend the U.S. What is your criteria necessary for you to defend the country?

Case for the War - Updated

July 17, 2007 - 07:44 ET by Free Stinker

Here is a list update for July 2, 2007 (List v.4.1) ~ Edited July 17th ~

In honor of what may well be the last update to this list, I have this insightful quote from The Russian business weekly Itogi: "Even if Colin Powell had presented the UN with an atomic bomb confiscated from Saddam, the Europeans would have been unlikely to agree to start a war."

Hat Tip to Chris Donohoe, Sua Sponte 75, NL207, dahliatravers, Mean Gene Dr. Love, and SFCMAC for some of the descriptions & links.

I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.

  1. Chemical weapons used against Iran: BBC - Chemical weapons: Blister agents
  2. Chemical weapons used against Kurds: BBC - Iraqi Kurds recall chemical attack
  3. Chemical weapons used against Sunnis: Human Rights Watch - The Iraqi Government Assault on the Marsh Arabs
  4. President Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, and others also thought Saddam had WMD: SNOPES - See these Statements & see Acsa.net too
  5. Nancy Pelosi issued a statement: www.House.gov - “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology”

II. There is a long list of WMD, delivery systems (banned conventional weapons) found in Iraq

  1. Anthrax: CNN - Laurie Mylroie: Is Iraq involved with U.S. terror attacks?
  2. Chemical Weapons: Foxnews - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
  3. Chemical Weapons: DoD - Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
  4. NEW! Chemical Weapons: Washington Post - Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
  5. Cyanide: Free Republic - Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
  6. NEW! Cyclosarin: BBC - Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'
  7. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - U.S.: Mobile labs found in Iraq
  8. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - Second suspected mobile weapons lab found in Iraq
  9. Mobile Chem Labs: Free Republic - Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories (Translation)
  10. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: United Nations – Unresolved Disarmament Issues
  11. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: Free Republic - 2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage
  12. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: Foxnews - Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
  13. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: CNN - Gas shell findings a concern for Iraq arms inspector
  14. Nuclear Bomb: CNN - Defector: Iraq could have nukes by 2005
  15. Nuclear Bomb: Daily Telegraph - UN inspectors uncover proof of Saddam's nuclear bomb plans
  16. Nuclear Bomb: National Review - Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program
  17. Nuclear Bomb: New York Times – Saddam was one year away from building nuclear bomb
  18. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Saddam Met with his Nuclear Group in 2002 (Translation)
  19. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Secret Nuclear Project (Translation)
  20. Nuclear Bomb: MSNBC - Interview with a Bombmaker: Saddam Hussein’s former atomic-bomb developer says Iraq is on course to gain ‘full nuclear status’
  21. Radiation Device: Free Republic - Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device (Translation)
  22. Sarin: MSNBC - Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq
  23. Sarin: CBS News - Iraq Sarin Find Worries U.S.
  24. Unexamined Bunkers: NY Sun - Ex-Officer Spurned on WMD Claim
  25. Uranium: Newsmax - The Uranium Joe Wilson Didn't Mention
  26. Uranium: Newsmax - Tapes: Saddam Hussein Had Secret Uranium Enrichment Program
  27. Uranium: Free Republic - Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT.
  28. Uranium: Washington Post - U.S. Faulted for Leaving Tons of Uranium in Iraq
  29. Uranium: USA Today - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization
  30. Various WMD: WorldNet Daily - Saddam's WMD have been found
  31. Various WMD: CIA - DCI Special Advisor Report on Iraq's WMD
  32. WMD moved out of Iraq: MSNBC - Officials: Terrorist attacks in Jordan averted
  33. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - New evidence: Saddam's WMD in Lebanon
  34. WMD moved out of Iraq: NY Sun - Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
  35. WMD moved out of Iraq: The Sunday Telegraph - Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
  36. WMD moved out of Iraq: Newsmax - Iraqi General: Syria Gave Al-Qaida Saddam's WMDs WMD hidden in Syria
  37. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Surprise, surprise! Saddam had WMDs after all
  38. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
  39. WMD moved out of Iraq: Free Republic - Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria (Translation)
  40. Chemical Material: Free Republic - Chemical Material Hidden Underground (Translation)
  41. Chemical Platoon: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document Dated 2001 Shows Chemical Platoon Still Exists And Active (Translation)
  42. Chemical Suits/Gear: CNN - UK: Chemical suits found in Iraq
  43. Chemical Suits/Gear: Free Republic - Chemical Gear for The Chemical Group (Translation)
  44. MiGs, a banned weapon: BBC - Iraqi aircraft 'buried in desert'
  45. Missiles, a banned weapon: Foxnews - U.S. Army Finds Buried Ammunition Cache in Iraq
  46. Missles, a banned weapon: Slate - This Was Not Looting

III. Saddam Hussein had a History of Aggression, attacking 6 other nations.

  1. Attacked Iran launching the Iran-Iraq War: Bartleby.com - Iran-Iraq War
  2. Attacked Kuwait launching Gulf War: Nti.org - Missile Chronology (Note, #3-5 same link)
  3. Attacked Saudi Arabia (Gulf War): (see #2)
  4. Attacked Israel (Gulf War): (see #2)
  5. Attacked Qatar (Gulf War): (see #2)
  6. Attacked Bahrain (Gulf War): CNN - Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq

IV. Terrorists have been found in Iraq & there were numerous associations between Iraq & terrorists

  1. Abu Niddal, Rome Airport Massacre: National Review - Dead Terrorist in Baghdad
  2. Abu Abbas (#1): CNN - U.S. captures mastermind of Achille Lauro hijacking
  3. Abu Abbas (#2): BBC - Cruise ship hijacker dies in Iraq
  4. Ayman al-Zawahiri: CNN - Pentagon: Bin Laden deputy complains about money, Iraq tactics
  5. al-Zarqawi: Kaleejtimes.com (running an AP story) - Saddam refused to hand Zarqawi to Jordan: King Abdullah
  6. al-Zarqawi: Free Republic - Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started
  7. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaida: Slate - A Loser's History
  8. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Saddam's al Qaeda Connection
  9. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Case Closed
  10. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Yes, There Is a Connection
  11. Saddam worked with Terrorists: NY Sun - Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show
  12. Saddam worked with Terrorists: CNN - On tape, Hussein talks of WMDs
  13. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)
  14. Saddam recruiting Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)
  15. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers
  16. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 (Translation)
  17. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. (Translation)
  18. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden
  19. Saddam paid Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered 25,000 Dollars for Each Suicide Terrorist Against Israel
  20. Saddam recruited Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence Asks Hamas To Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against The US
  21. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Foxnews - Marines Discover Terror Training Camp Near Baghdad
  22. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Weekly Standard – Saddam's Terror Training Camps
  23. Terrorist camp in Iraq: MSNBC - Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq
  24. Terrorist camp in Iraq: PBS – Interview: Sabah Kodah
  25. Terrorist camp in Iraq: GlobalSecurity.org - Salman Pak / Al Salman
  26. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Guardian - Al-Qaida running new terror camp, say Kurds
  27. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Intelmessages.org - Salman Pak - Iraq's Own Terrorist Training Camp

V. Other Casus Belli

  1. Radar tracking & SA missiles fired upon "No Fly Zone" Aircraft: Cdi.org - Military Action in Iraq: 1990-2002 (a violation of Gulf War surrender terms)
  2. Assassination attempt on former President George Bush, Sr.: Washington Post - U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush

Free - Great list!  Just

July 19, 2007 - 05:08 ET by Unsane

Free - Great list!  Just wanted to add...

Check out the July/August Foreign Policy for a great European rip-fest.  Among the quotes I can recall from it (don't have the copy in front of me): "Europe cannot and will not (militarily) act.  It lacks the will and the means."  The author also goes on to state that rather than face up to that uncomfortable fact, the Europeans would rather sit around and whine about the evils of "unilateralism".   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.