
What are the odds Ben Affleck would refer to Muslims who believe literally in the Koran as "Neanderthals?" But when it comes to Christians . . .
As NewsBuster Geoffrey Dickens has noted, Affleck appeared on yesterday evening's edition of Hardball. And while it's true that the actor/director/Dem activist offered a generally innocuous analysis, he did manage to engage in a bit of religious bigotry.
Affleck's foul foray arose in the course of his discussion of the way the various Republican candidates have dealt with the issue of evolution and creationism. Talk turned to the former governor of Arkansas.BEN AFFLECK: I think Huckabee actually framed his position in a much less dramatic way than had been made out. Which was he said it could be six days, or it could be six epochs, which I thought was much more along the kind of intelligent design lines than his position had been cast. In other words, he had been made out to a little bit of a kind of like a real sort of Neanderthal about it, a literalist.
View video here
For the record, "Neanderthal," used as a slang term as by Affleck, is defined to mean "crude, boorish, or slow-witted."
I wonder if Affleck realizes how many millions of his fans he's insulting as "Neanderthals"? According to a 2004 study reported here, "61 percent of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible's book of Genesis is literally true rather than a story meant as a lesson." Did Affleck intentionally add insult to injury by using what evolutionists see as one of homo sapiens' evolutionary ancestors to describe believers in creationism?
ASIDE: Someone tell Ben to lay off the self-deprecating, aw-shucks routine. Repeatedly during the interview he downplayed the worth of his opinions, saying, for example that he was speaking "from my point of view, not an expert but just a kind of everyday fellow." If Affleck doesn't feel he has worthwhile opinions to offer, why accept an invitation to offer them?Contact Mark at mark@gunhill.net
—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.















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My God, this guy comes off as
June 8, 2007 - 10:43 ET by AlgerHissMy God, this guy comes off as one of the most sissified, cowardly, feminine little twerps the world has ever produced.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
No wonder JaLo ran from him.
June 8, 2007 - 11:23 ET by Airforce_5_ONo wonder JaLo ran from him.
Has-Ben Affleck
June 8, 2007 - 12:48 ET by misterbee241In my day we had John Wayne and Gary Cooper. Now we have sissies like Brad Pitt and Has-Ben Affleck. And my opinion of him isnt shaped by his calling people names either. He is what he is.
Can Hollywood fall much further?
"We're sorry, we didn't
June 8, 2007 - 10:47 ET by SouthJersey1953"We're sorry, we didn't know you people were still around."
"Well, next time, do a little research"
- AFLAC commercial
Just seems to 'fit' here.........
No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket
LOL. I wanted to work that
June 8, 2007 - 10:52 ET by Mark FinkelsteinLOL. I wanted to work that in -- glad you did. Ben will have the duck with the mango salsa. Huckabee isn't very hungry, thank you ;-)
That's GEICO!
June 8, 2007 - 10:55 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's GEICO!
Oops! sorry - will fix it....
June 8, 2007 - 11:21 ET by SouthJersey1953Oops! sorry - (It won't let me fix it )....
No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket
I'm not 100% in love with your tone
June 8, 2007 - 14:51 ET by Hero SquadOK Ben, first off, I'm not 100% in love with your tone right now.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Speaking strictly from a scie
June 8, 2007 - 10:51 ET by CapitalismRulesSpeaking strictly from a scientific standpoint, there are so many literal, hard, tested facts that debunk evolution big time. You do not even need God or religion to see that the theory of evolution does not stand on its own. However, the moment you do try to discredit evolution by scientific means, you are immediately typecast as a religious zealot unfit for common reason.
evolution
June 8, 2007 - 11:47 ET by m1xramI visited a few evolution sites trying to learn what physical evidence exists. Rather than finding positive evidence most of the sites visited consisted of methods to attack critics of evolution. It appears that the believers do not want scientific debate.
So ask yourself, what is religion? It is belief in things unseen. Because of the lack of evidence and the monumental gaps in the fossil record it is natural to conclude that evolution is a religion.
Ann Coulter has some very interesting facts about evolution, all with references, in her book Godless. Basically she drives a truck through the various holes in the evolution "theory".
m1xram
They say that certain fossils
June 8, 2007 - 12:00 ET by CapitalismRulesThey say that certain fossils are of a certain age because of the strata where they are found. The stratum is then dated based on the fossils that are located there. If that is not circular reasoning, what the heck is? You're right, evolution, global warming and a host of other unproven scientific theories have reached religious status because of the faith it takes to believe in them and they have reached such "conclusiveness" because of the investment of time that science and the media have had in trying to prove them right no matter how far-fetched the evidence.
If there is so much 'hard' sc
June 8, 2007 - 13:38 ET by LeonIf there is so much 'hard' scientific evidence debunking evolution, then you shouldn't have a problem showing us some examples.
Behe not allowed as he has been thoroughly debunked in embarassed already.
Don't have to, Leon.
June 8, 2007 - 13:45 ET by Cool ArrowI'm sure your library is replete with scientific progression from one species to another.
Evolution ceased being a "theory" long ago to Liberals. (see also Global Warming)
The theory of punctuated equi
June 9, 2007 - 13:24 ET by botgThe theory of punctuated equilibrium was postulated by Stephen J Gould precisely because the fossil record does not back up evolution. You will note that there are no fossils for the horizontal portions in the drawing; so why are they drawn? Also there is no direct evidence for P.E. but it does make an astounding admission that gradual evolutionary theory is false!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Leon might you give some evid
June 9, 2007 - 13:25 ET by botgLeon might you give some evidence that debunks Behe?
Richard Dawkins is allowed because his arguments are easily refuted by evidence from Stephen J Gould who at least was honest enough to give the true fossil record data.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Cap RulesThere are other meth
June 9, 2007 - 13:42 ET by botgCap Rules
There are other methods of dating and yes care must be taken to use the tools appropriately to arrive at reliable conclusions
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Evolution
June 8, 2007 - 13:36 ET by NortoBeliever
Suggested reading for anyone, even Ben , if he dares, is Judith Hooper's "Of Moths and Men." She is an atheist, who shoots most of the basic points of Darwin's theories full of holes.
It is an astonishing read and is why evolution is not taught in her home town of Amherst, Mass! Last I heard anyway
This guy just keeps giving an
June 8, 2007 - 10:52 ET by msh1973This guy just keeps giving and giving...what a moron!
Is this guy for real? Trys to
June 8, 2007 - 10:53 ET by bassndudeIs this guy for real? Trys to down play his opinion, but makes a blunt statement calling me a neanderthal? Its a good thing this guy is an actor and lives in a nice housing area so he dosent have to put up with all of us cave dwellers. Now I need therapy...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Doesn't Ben realize that most
June 8, 2007 - 10:58 ET by CapitalismRulesDoesn't Ben realize that most Creationists don't believe in neanderthals?
Capitalism, don't confuse them.
June 8, 2007 - 11:01 ET by Cool ArrowWe creationists believe we are not the first population of the earth.
That is why God told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. An often missed passage.
You are referring of course t
June 8, 2007 - 11:15 ET by CapitalismRulesYou are referring of course to a pre-Adamic race, man that debate is for another blog website, that one could go on for hours, but would be very fun.
FYI- that's not funny, I tutor lysdexic students.......it's hysterical.
I'm trying to figure out wh
June 8, 2007 - 12:21 ET by Tom1969caI'm trying to figure out why some translations say "replenish the earth" (ie: King James, American Standard) and others say "fill the earth" (NIV, NRSV)...
Any help?
~~~
"The current tax code is harder to understand than Bob Dylan reading Finnegan's Wake in a wind tunnel."-- Dennis Miller
NASV, NIV, and the like, are
June 8, 2007 - 12:31 ET by fosstenNASV, NIV, and the like, are derived from dynamic equivalent translations found in corrupted manuscripts such as Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, which were used by Westcott and Hort to build the English Revised Version in the late 1800s. They are considered by the best Biblical scholars to be poor, substandard, corrupt manuscripts based on the Septuagint.
Moreover, dynamic equivalence is merely a method of substituting ideas for actual transliterated words, which means the NIV and NASV and others like them are simply paraphrased. Hence the differences between them and the KJV, which differences are numbered in the thousands.
well, dude; you are, er
June 8, 2007 - 15:03 ET by tumblerJust foolin' don't hit me.
You know; for a while it seemed to me as if the Afflaccid One was laying groundwork for some future run of his own at public office. But coming out against the whole range of God-fearing constituencies of America this way shows us he couldn't hope to win any elections.
It's sure seeing this, he's merely a little c--ckbite. (Please forgive me, Lord.)
Anyone who's read "Darwi
June 8, 2007 - 10:57 ET by HelenSAnyone who's read "Darwin's Black Box" would already know that evolution can't work at a cellular level.
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Ben
June 8, 2007 - 11:00 ET by iveseenitall"a little bit of a kind of like a real sort of..." Wow, how articulate you are, Ben.
NEVER, NEVER trust a liberal
he had been made out to a lit
June 8, 2007 - 11:16 ET by Darth Dutchhe had been made out to a little bit of a kind of like a real sort of Neanderthal about it, a literalist.
Funny, I always felt Ben had been made out be a little bit of a kind of like a real sort of actor.
I just wonder how he came up
June 8, 2007 - 11:39 ET by Senior ChiefI just wonder how he came up and form his opinion like this. Did he completed some sort of formal schooling? Did he read books- unbiased books? Speaking of reading books, Aflac's favorite person to insult is the President, who read 104 books just last year alone, and reads 3-4 books a week...How many books aflac read in his lifetime?
Hey Ben!
June 8, 2007 - 11:17 ET by ShadowTXYour time would better be served making better movies then offering your political bloviations.
And thank you for not doing "Gili 2"
Yeah, Affleck should stick to
June 8, 2007 - 13:40 ET by Darth DutchYeah, Affleck should stick to his day job
(Scanning the library of his work: Gigli, Pearl Harbor, Jersey Girl...)
On second thought, he should fine a new line of work.
Dutch
He should go to the Gaza St
June 8, 2007 - 13:44 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe should go to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank and be a human shield.
My pet goldfish has more cred
June 8, 2007 - 11:24 ET by mattmMy pet goldfish has more credibility than Afleque - and I don't even have a pet goldfish.
I wonder if these anti-literalists are also anti-literalists when it comes to the Constitution...oh, yeah...I guess they are! Coincidence?
How about literal Algore believers - are they the "enlightened" ones?
It's funny how the most arrogant people are the ones with the least cause for their arrogance.
"Ignorance has a well known Liberal bias" - Publius...
no script
June 8, 2007 - 11:28 ET by m1xramBad things usually happen when there's a mic but no script with the Hollywood crowd. Most seem to be completely disconnected from the thoughts of common Americans. So you really have to wonder why people solicit their opinions.
I am greatful for the few exceptions, like Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, John Wayne, etc.
m1xram
There will never be a time th
June 8, 2007 - 11:34 ET by hs29fanThere will never be a time that Affleck will evolve from the two bit actor that he is.
Poor Liberal, he's educated beyond his intelligence
BLATHERSKITE....and just in c
June 8, 2007 - 11:39 ET by vrwc13BLATHERSKITE....
and just in case you forgot...
blath·er·skit (blāth'ər-skīt') n.
Can we just ignore him like a media troll? Kind of fits with what algore said recently...
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
BLATHERSKITE....l like that,
June 8, 2007 - 13:38 ET by ValendilBLATHERSKITE....l like that, I have a few fellow co-workers that I may have to use that one on!
Ben friggin Affleck
June 8, 2007 - 11:44 ET by MightyMouthBen Affleck quote:
"Yes, I'm going to be the President of the United States. You know why? You think you can get chicks by being in the movies? You can really get chicks by being the President." (must have been a 90's quote)
And we already knew this one to be true:
"Matt and I have set a date. Matt and I will tie the knot New
Years Day in the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts. Reserve your hotel rooms
now. I will be having a gay marriage. "
And lastly, who can take anyone serious who would say this:
"If I ever woke up with a dead hooker in my hotel room, Matt
would be the first person I'd call."
More benisims here.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey MR. Aflaq...
June 8, 2007 - 11:49 ET by c5thenWhy would an everyday hollywood fellow, like you offer opinions on the veracity and propper interpretation of the Bible when you obviously do not believe in it or hold to it's teachings and commandments?
Do you believe that the famous 10 commandments are just sort of general good ideas that are good to follow unless you feel diferently?
Does it make you feel better if those who say they have convictions actually caveat them and don't adhere to them. Or would you rather that those who say they have convictions (religious or otherwise) actually adhere to them and follow them in their daily lives?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
The Ten Suggestions
June 8, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Cool ArrowI wonder if God told Moses:
God: Moses, here's a few guidelines I'd kinda like you people to follow.
Moses: Who you calling "you people"
c5, the famous 10 commandment
June 8, 2007 - 12:46 ET by bassndudec5, the famous 10 commandments are no longer "famous". Correct PC demands that they be labled the "infamous" 10 commandments. Just ask Bennie boy or Babs or Rosie.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Yes, the moral compass of the
June 8, 2007 - 11:55 ET by ChasvsYes, the moral compass of the left! No wonder these moonbats are wandering in the wilderness of la-la-land. Somebody pleeese put a sock in this idiots mouth for God's sake!
Affleck on Hardball. Mmm...
June 8, 2007 - 12:40 ET by rimskyAffleck on Hardball. Mmm... whose hurting more? Affeck or Hardball?
That would be Nerfball
June 8, 2007 - 12:47 ET by sarcasmoThat would be Nerfball (see my conversation with "Rainlillie" on the earlier thread about this show!).
JMR
People that don't believe in
June 8, 2007 - 13:10 ET by LeonPeople that don't believe in Evolution display a deranged loathing of Science.
Evolution is real and Evolution fits the Genesis story.
And we wonder why America is slowly falling behind in the sciences to other countries like China & India.
This is a dangerous development, and jeopardizes the future of our country.
People need to wake up. Evolution is real. If you don't believe that, there's something wrong with you.
Evolution is real???
June 8, 2007 - 13:17 ET by LionKingWhy do I have to believe that?
Where is the proof?
If it so obvious, answer these simple questions:
I could ask more, but this is enough for starters.
1) I don't know much about
June 8, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Leon1) I don't know much about amino acids, but I'll look into it and get back to you
2) Ah the irreducible complexity. The most ignorant argument ever perpretated in the realm of science. Nothing more than a weak rehash of Paley's ridiculous watchmaker arugment. Life is so complicated that it must be the work of an intelligent designer (aka God) rather than the result of evolution. Riiiight. Deep. Reading this sentence literally makes me feel dumber. How exactly can you provide empirical data to support this claim? Irreducible complexity is an ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE. Furthermore, even Behe has admitted his argument is inherently flawed. For example, these come from the Ruling Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District:
a) "Professor Behe admitted in "Reply to My Critics" that there was a defect in his view of irreducible complexity because, while it purports to be a challenge to natural selection, it does not actually address "the task facing natural selection." and that "Professor Behe wrote that he hoped to "repair this defect in future work
b) "As irreducible complexity is only a negative argument against evolution, it is refutable and accordingly testable, unlike ID [Intelligent Design], by showing that there are intermediate structures with selectable functions that could have evolved into the allegedly irreducibly complex systems. (2:15-16 (Miller)). Importantly, however, the fact that the negative argument of irreducible complexity is testable does not make testable the argument for ID. (2:15 (Miller); 5:39 (Pennock)). Professor Behe has applied the concept of irreducible complexity to only a few select systems: (1) the bacterial flagellum; (2) the blood-clotting cascade; and (3) the immune system. Contrary to Professor Behe’s assertions with respect to these few biochemical systems among the myriad existing in nature, however, Dr. Miller presented evidence, based upon peer-reviewed studies, that they are not in fact irreducibly complex."
c) "...on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."
3) Genesis is not literal. It's a story like the rest of the Bible. Many Christians believe in evolution by saying that Genesis' overriding point is that God made the world and everything in it. Thus, God created the initial life forms (big bang, whatever) and evolution took it from there. Please, if you actually believe Gensis literally you need serious help. To believe Genesis literally, would mean that men and dinosaurs roamed the earth together. Ha!
Leon...mental midget
June 8, 2007 - 13:47 ET by LionKingI will focus simply on irreducible complexity. Actually the claim has been made by evolutionists that things have mutated from simpler forms to more complex. So the question is raised, where is the empirical evidence to support this notion. There is no fossil record to demonstrate an evolutionary process...too many gaps. In fact, evolutionists cannot even propose a timeline of how a single-cell can become a fish and then become a bird.
Logically, explain how something "mutates" into something more complex.
By the way, do you even understand thedifference between micro-evolution and macro-evolution?
The existence of Gaps in no w
June 8, 2007 - 13:52 ET by LeonThe existence of Gaps in no way negates the theory. This is the nature of scientific progress. OF course there are gaps, it takes time to figure everything out, find evidence, etc.
When was evolution theory proposed? 1859. That's not very long ago.
Your argument is essentially, because evolution is completely wrapped up it is false. You completely ignore the fact that scientific discovery is a process.
The fossil record of course demonstrates evolution. Just because all of the gaps haven't been filled in yet doesn't mean it's not true. Don't you understand it takes time and whole lot of luck to find fossils? You must be kidding me?
How does the fossil record
June 8, 2007 - 13:58 ET by The Wicked ConservativeHow does the fossil record denote evolution? You see birds for example and then find similarities in dinosaur fossils and conclude they must have evolved! I see the two and I know they have a common creator! Offer me the same courtesy you demand. Just because you can't afford for there to be a God doesn't mean He isn't there.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
But to believe in Genesis, wo
June 8, 2007 - 14:02 ET by LeonBut to believe in Genesis, wouldn't you have to believe that they not only have the same creator, but they were also created at the same exact time?
I'm ok with that Leon. The
June 8, 2007 - 14:09 ET by The Wicked ConservativeI'm ok with that Leon. The Bible is the infallable word of God. It warns of scoffers and mockers towards the end of time. To claim the Bible is wrong or doubt it, is to call God a liar. That's not ok with me. I may never be able to convince you of that but that's between you and God. It will seem foolishness to you but the dinosaurs would have been on the ark but in the post flood world could not survive and simply went extinct.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Nobody is calling God a liar
June 8, 2007 - 14:28 ET by mvfreemanNobody is calling God a liar and for you to suggest that is a stretch. The reason God explained creation the way He did was because the human mind cannot understand and fathom the way a lot of the physical let alone spiritual world works. It would be like trying to explain astrophysics to a baby.
And given the diversity and sheer number of animals currently on the planet they could not have fit into the ark with its given dimensions. To believe otherwise doesn't seem foolish it just plain is. Remember God supposedly created ALL the animals before the flood.
But you can understand it h
June 8, 2007 - 14:31 ET by The Wicked ConservativeBut you can understand it huh?
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Where in my post did I even s
June 8, 2007 - 14:47 ET by mvfreemanWhere in my post did I even suggest that? You dont have to be a genuis to realize that ALL of the animals of the world aren't going to fit into a ship the size of which is described in Genesis.
God did give us higher brain functions. Start using them.
The ark was pretty big... s
June 8, 2007 - 14:54 ET by MightyMouthThe ark was pretty big... something to think about.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I think when "Evan Alm
June 8, 2007 - 16:02 ET by balboaI think when "Evan Almighty" comes out, all these questions will be answered, probably by Morgan Freeman.
uh huh, sure... Somehow balbo
June 8, 2007 - 16:22 ET by MightyMouthuh huh, sure... Somehow balboa, I have the feeling you aren't taking this discussion seriously.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How'd you guess? It's hard to
June 8, 2007 - 16:31 ET by balboaHow'd you guess? It's hard to argue these things because neither side has definite proof. I don't believe the story of the Ark happened literally, as described in the Bible. But I'm not gonna spend time arguing about it.
Well would you at least con
June 8, 2007 - 16:35 ET by MightyMouthWell would you at least concede, that if there had been an Ark, it would have been really big?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I will give you that, yes. It
June 8, 2007 - 16:45 ET by balboaI will give you that, yes. It was no Hobiecat or something.
Yeah you are right Bal...neit
June 8, 2007 - 16:45 ET by vrwc13Yeah you are right Bal...neither side has any definite proof. One side has some guy 150 or so years ago come up with some new idea that even he did not fully believe, with a bunch of scientists then trying hard to fill in all the yet to be filled in gaps. Oh yeah they found, oops never mind just another hoax.
On the other side you have a book say 5000 to 2000 years old. This book has never had any part, not one, ever disproved. In fact most every time someone goes way out of his way to disprove it,they become a believer. And oh did I mention that many have given their lives when asked to deny its truth? How many have died for not willing to deny evolution. Oh one last thing, ah God said His book is true, even warned anyone not to change one iota of it.
See, this is why it's futile
June 8, 2007 - 16:53 ET by balboaSee, this is why it's futile to argue about it. How am I supposed to disprove the burnging bush, or the jonas and the whale, or parting the Red Sea? You take that on faith. I take it as not being literal.
It's a trust thing. You trus
June 8, 2007 - 17:41 ET by vrwc13It's a trust thing. You trusted (faith) your parents to raise you, feed you, keep you safe. Now all we are asking is you to trust God and believe what He tells you. Yeah, it's all about faith.
I believe in Noah & the Flood
June 8, 2007 - 16:48 ET by tumblerI do believe the Noah and his Ark, etc. narrative. I have to.
Because God revealed it to us. You can reject God's word; but in fact, why ? I'll tell you.
You think God had this big obligation; to tell you in detail where the Ark went so you can inspect it. --To tell you all about the flora and fauna and the rain for forty days, BUT, without leaving out anything you might find indisputable.
Yeah; He should give you the blueprints, the DNA of each animal. You have to have every iota of information or you'll call Him a fake. Well; God doesn't do things like that. He expects His creatures to approach Him with humility. God detests the proud man.
Furthermore, what He reveals in Genesis and in other books, is written in a style and configuration that requires NO booklearning, yet will help ALL men see His power and glory ! His words are revealing to the least intelligent of ancient goatherds, as well as philosophers and kings. Scientists of the present believe. Holy men of ancient times understood God. They believe that what remains a mystery is only something He could explain, IF it pleased Him to explain. He isn't our servant. He's Almighty God. --WE are HIS servants.
Noah's ark: http://www.answ
June 8, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Hoosier DaddyNoah's ark: http://www.answersingenesis.org/AfterEden/view.aspx?id=166
Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.
13In the selfsame day entered
June 8, 2007 - 15:55 ET by Ron_servative13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
the key phrases being "after his kind" and "of every sort", not every possible variation on the planet.
You do realize that we (Creationist/believers) give you the MicroEvolution thing, right?
so dog's can 'evolve' to be Danes and chihuahuas for example, oh wait, man was able to do that in just a few hundred years of selective breeding (of course none were bred to be humming birds).
and if I'm putting things in the Ark, it's going to be the kittens, and puppies, and eggs, and... you get the point, think small, less food, less space, and most importantly...less poo.
OOOOH I see, he brought baby
June 8, 2007 - 16:09 ET by LeonOOOOH I see, he brought baby animals?
What an IDIOT I am?
Oh in that case, he could def. have fit TWO MILLION BABY animals on the ark.
I see this Leon doesn't under
June 9, 2007 - 09:16 ET by TheDeuceI see this Leon doesn't understand the differences between intra- and inter-special evolution. It's a common failing of those who mock 'creationists'.
Of course there's been intra-special evolution. It's the inter-special evolution that has never been proven. They bait and switch by dropping the qualifier in an argument.
Or created again?
June 8, 2007 - 14:11 ET by Cool ArrowMaybe, as is suggested in the bible, the first complete inundation of the earth (no, not the flood of Noah) was due to the earlier inhabitants of the earth which was under the rule of Lucifer. There were beings on Earth during that period.
If God decided to create many of the same animals and not some of the others, I guess it was his prerogative. But Genisis 1 states the earth was formed perfectly, followed by waste, followed by God separating the oceans to reveal the land.
That's the way I see it. I just don't see the need for stories when the truth would do lots better. Why would God tell stories? Isn't that what momma said we shouldn't do?
"And of every living thi
June 8, 2007 - 14:41 ET by mvfreeman"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark..."
"And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length of the ark [shall be] three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits."
You see the problem? As large as some dinosaurs and ice age creatures were it just ain't gonna work. Not to mention that the number of different species currently here is staggering. According to the literalists God created ALL the animals before the flood and none after.
That's not calling God a liar. And since we are His children what's the harm in telling us a story if we aren't ready for the complete truth? Your momma never told you a story?
Noah may have brought "y
June 8, 2007 - 14:49 ET by vrwc13"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." —Matthew 19:26
I'm sorry but this is insane.
June 8, 2007 - 16:04 ET by LeonI'm sorry but this is insane. Absolutely insane.
How many different types of animal species are on the planet right now?
Let's look at this rationally (if you are able):
1) There are approx. ONE MILLION different animal species on earth
2) That means Noah would have had to take approx. TWO MILLION animals on the ark
3) Do you really believe that you could fit 2 million animals on the ark?
Seriously, I have to think you're pulling my leg. There's no way an adult could believe something so absurd.
Of the one million species on
June 8, 2007 - 16:09 ET by bassndudeOf the one million species on earth, fully 75%, would have taken only half the room. Not every species is an elephant or lion or such. Most are small frogs, snakes, birds and such. Dont take much room at all.
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How do you figure that? Coul
June 8, 2007 - 16:15 ET by LeonHow do you figure that? Could you show me calculation.
If at all possible, please provide a list detailing the exact dimensions of each of the one million animals that Noah would have taken on board.
Oh please Leon, have you neve
June 8, 2007 - 16:34 ET by bassndudeOh please Leon, have you never taken a biology course? You should at least watch the animal planet once in a while. There are over 5000 species of frogs, in the tropics alone, almost 1000 species of snakes, lizards, humming birds, there are about 100 diffrent kind, other birds are not large either. I mean, if you look at it, you dont need that much room, and God, unlike us, knew what he was doing.
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We have a winner! Best jok
June 8, 2007 - 16:37 ET by LeonWe have a winner!
Best joke of the week goes to...drum roll pleeeeease!
BassnDude!!!
PS bass, I know you don't actually believe this stuff and you're merely posting to confront me, so let the good times roll
Leon, those are not made up n
June 8, 2007 - 17:10 ET by bassndudeLeon, those are not made up numbers, they are factual numbers of a few of the animal species on earth. PS, you dont know much do you? Just because you "guess" and your facts, dosent mean the rest of us do. And I do belive Noah and the Ark are factual, as was the event of the flood. Really, you shouldent put your ignorance up on display at every chance you get.
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"The Erwin Study
June 8, 2007 - 17:42 ET by mvfreeman"The Erwin Study
Prior to 1982 most biologists thought that the number of undescribed species was roughly comparable to, or perhaps a few times as many as, the number already described. Thus, pre-1982 guesses of the total number of animal species were on the order of several million. But no one really knew.
In 1982 Terry Erwin published a provocative report in which he estimated the number of species of insects to be not several million but an order of magnitude higher - several tens of millions"
Google is amazing. BTW name one species of wild animal that mates with another species in the wild. Every time I watch animal planet i see animals sticking with their own kind. Even though they may all be on the african savanah together they still are in their own group.
Wheres this fit in to what I
June 8, 2007 - 17:49 ET by bassndudeWheres this fit in to what I said? I never indicated that animals mate out of species. Never even addressed mating at all. How much room is needed for 2 mosquitos? Most insects could have fit in the cracks in the boat.
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Look at a taxonomy chart. Sta
June 8, 2007 - 17:33 ET by mvfreemanLook at a taxonomy chart. Starting with classes, orders,families, and then genera and species. That is a lot of different animals from elephants down to earthworms. And two of each at that. I suggest you look a little harder and realize that it takes a LOT of room. Maybe something on the order of a state. And we haven't even mentioned all the DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOOD these creatures would need.
I would suggest that you read
June 8, 2007 - 17:44 ET by bassndudeI would suggest that you read what the Bible sayes about it a little more closely. Dosent it say that God shut the mouths of the animals? Who are you to question the wisdom and power of God? The fact is that most of the animals on earth are small, not giant Elephants. The large animals comprise what percentage of the animal kingdom?
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The flood
June 8, 2007 - 17:59 ET by SportPoliticsThe flood:
People seem to forget that the human civilization didn't neccessarily span all the continents of the earth back then.
If a flood was required to wipe out mankind except for Noah and his crew and "animals", very FEW species would be singularly located in the spot that humankind occupied on the face of the earth THEN that needed to be flooded to wipe almost all humans out. Therefore few species would be required to be housed on the Ark to save them from extinction.
So when "scientific minded" liberals argue against "animals and all fitting on the Ark" - they OUGHT to be bright enough to INCLUDE an assessment on WHAT AREAS OF THE EARTH MANKIND POPULATED AT THE TIME, AND THEREFORE WHAT SPECIES NEEDED TO BE "SAVED FROM EXTINCTION" due to flooding.
Of course, when liberals shriek and cry and whine it is not scientifically possible, they FORGET to use science to construct a plausibly accurate scenario, and just go for "the whole earth every inch" ....
The libs are so stupid their "scientific" arguments are NOT SCIENITIFIC at all.
Sports politics: But doesn
June 8, 2007 - 18:55 ET by mvfreemanSports politics:
But doesn't a literal reading of Genesis say that the whole world was flooded.
BTW, not everyone who doesn't believe in a literal flood account is a stupid lib. To assume so makes you look stupid.
Well mvfreeman
June 8, 2007 - 19:35 ET by SportPoliticsLooks to me like I made you look stupid. No facts to spread that label on me in this case. Noted how offended you are from it, though. lol - too badddd.....
mvfreeman, it was the whole world according to those who were flooded to death. Do you or did you want God to take up extra chapter and verse describing the continents and various geographical features of the time, or draw a map, or claim there are literal believers everywhere ? I really don't think they exis