It was hard to tell what was making Andrea Mitchell angrier: Bill O'Reilly's assertions that NBC has a liberal bias, or his repeated and perhaps ungentlemanly references to the lady's "30 years" of experience. In any case, the look on Andrea's face was unmistakable: she was not the happiest of campers.
Mitchell appeared on this evening's Factor for purposes of touting her new book. But kudos to O'Reilly for taking the occasion to directly confront a leading NBC light with the network's undeniable leftward tilt - which Mitchell proceeded to flatly deny.
This is must-see video, which you can see here, but let me entice you with these two tidbits.
Mitchell on Chris Matthews: "I don't think he's a liberal thinker."
And later: "I don't feel there is bias in what we do at NBC News. And I don't think there's bias in CBS or ABC."
With due respect to Mitchell, whose scrappiness I admire, if someone won't admit that Chris Matthews is liberal, why should we believe her when she tells us it's raining?
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Well she is a blonde.
January 5, 2007 - 21:15 ET by 1sttofightWell she is a blonde.
Hey!
January 5, 2007 - 21:19 ET by BlondeHey!
Sorry, Couldn't resist. ;)
January 5, 2007 - 21:24 ET by 1sttofightSorry, Couldn't resist. ;)
I know....It was a pro forma
January 5, 2007 - 21:27 ET by BlondeI know....It was a pro forma protest on my part.
The hell we blondes have to put up with....but it's worth it! ;-)
Mitchell
January 5, 2007 - 21:21 ET by iveseenitallWhat can you say; she works for NBC. But as OReilly would say, she's living in the land of Oz.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
She should have just stoppe
January 5, 2007 - 21:19 ET by mytwocentsShe should have just stopped her comments with "I don't think." Enough said.
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January 5, 2007 - 21:22 ET by JnobleI just watched this....PURE GOLD!!! I LOVED Mitchell's reaction when Bill asked her to name some conservatives at NBC. Her response: awkward silence and then "uhhh, define 'conservative'..." I was yelling at the TV "JUST ADMIT IT ANDRIA! JUST ADMIT IT!" He had her cornered with that question. Anyone else notice that it's only in the world of MSM Networks that they'll always circle the wagons and never critize their competitors? If I was CBS, I would make a point that NBC has it out for the Bush Administration and to watch us instead for fairer coverage. Of course, CBS is more of the same but you get my point.
It's the same logic that conv
January 5, 2007 - 22:50 ET by Eric TurnerIt's the same logic that convinces them they are not "liberals" therefore when you call the MsM liberal or a certain viewpoint liberal their response is something to the effect of, "Whatever that means!"
Give me a break, call a spade a spade folks! If you're a liberal admit it and be proud of it. I'm a white male conservative christian and proud of it! (Well, maybe not the white male part, but that's the public education coming out of me. I've been brainwashed to be ashamed of it.)
(was the sarcasm thick enough in the parathesis?)
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
The last time I used the phra
January 5, 2007 - 22:55 ET by JimboThe last time I used the phrase "call a spade a spade", I was told that it was politically incorrect. I kid you not.
PC run amok
January 5, 2007 - 23:03 ET by Eric TurnerMy dad told me about a radio show in Dallas where the host used the word "renege" on the air. He received a call from a black lady saying he shouldn't be using racist terms on the air like that. She apparently believed it had something to do with the word "nig*er". I believe he was forced to apologize.
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
Not unprecedented. At a pre
January 5, 2007 - 23:52 ET by GalvanicNot unprecedented. At a press conference in Washington DC a number of years ago, a white male member of the mayor's staff, discussing city spending issues, uttered the word niggardly. He was immediately blasted by both the black civic leaders and the local MSM affiliates for using "racially insensitive language," and forced to publicly apologize. Shortly thereafter, he resigned.
Galvanic...It's my understand
January 6, 2007 - 16:02 ET by Clear thinkerGalvanic...
It's my understanding that he HAD TO resign or he would be canned.
words
January 6, 2007 - 11:19 ET by iveseenitallTry using the word "niggardly" at your next budget meeting. You'll be fired by the ignorant.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
So the stupid-fication of the
January 6, 2007 - 16:00 ET by kathleenirishSo the stupid-fication of the American public and culture continues. Only a non-word like the one above can be used in such cases, I believe.
Another migraine is coming on.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Kath...Don't let the media kn
January 6, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Clear thinkerKath...
Don't let the media know that they have the power to give you a headache, it only encourages them.
As a favorite comedian of my departed father would say: 'Aspirin commercials give me headaches'.
Andrea Mitchell
May 17, 2007 - 08:50 ET by SportPoliticsAndrea Mitchell: " We don't judge ourselves by how we approach the news. "
Ahh, obviously you are correct, since you approach it from the far left - it wouldn't pay to judge yourselves on how you approach the news.
Yes, we know libs.. supposedly it's evil and mean to "judge". So, YOU don't judge yourselves. LOL
Now Balboa can enter and indignantly state " Don't you judge me ! You don't know anything about me."
I am laughing my head off! An
January 5, 2007 - 21:24 ET by msh1973I am laughing my head off! Andrea is so out of her league with O'Reilly. She is only deceiving herself because we can see right through her. What a joke.
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January 5, 2007 - 21:25 ET by JnobleAlso, when he asked her about Chrissy Matthews and he used to work for Tip O'Niell who was a total lib. Her response was equally tepid, "that was a long time ago". Gee Andria, President Bush's National Guard Service was a long time ago too but that didn't stop you or the rest of the MSM goon squad from rehashing that nonsense back in '04!
Mitchell on Chris Matthews: &
January 5, 2007 - 21:25 ET by JimboMitchell on Chris Matthews: "I don't think he's a liberal thinker."
VS.
When Rosen said that Pres. Bush is "going to say something [next week] and the Democrats are going to react," Matthews sardonically observed "this is the iron fist of the Democrat party you're describing? I missed it. When [do] they call for an end of the war, five years, ten years?"
There can only be one of two conclusions. The woman is either blind to reality, in which case she should be considered non qualified as a reporter, or an outright liar, in which case she should be considered non qualified as a reporter.
Wait - that's the same conclusion.
Oh well.
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January 5, 2007 - 21:29 ET by JnobleI was thinking when I watching this, that she HAS to know that the point Bill was making was right, but there's NO WAY she or anyone else from the network will EVER EVER EVER admit their bias. If she did, she would probably be looking for a new job by next week.
Answer was lawyerly
January 6, 2007 - 11:49 ET by pbthinkerPerhaps, this answer was one of those lawyerly answers. Matthews is not a Liberal thinker. He may be a liberal but he doesn't think much about it. It's his natural instinct.
Mitchell was touting her book
January 5, 2007 - 21:27 ET by bigtimerMitchell was touting her book this morning on Imus and it is a re-edition, second edition or whatever it is called, she must be trying to get her numbers of sold books out before Al (her other half) publishes his, which won't be long from now) funneeeee!
Mitchell is a pure leftist...everyone with an IQ of room temperature knows it.
By the way...if looks could kill, BOR would be in la-la land. (Great picture there!)
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
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January 5, 2007 - 21:33 ET by JnobleHow much longer can any of these people keep up the charade about "being fair"?
If someone secretly taped her saying something along the lines of "I and everyone else I know here at NBC hate this Administration and we all can't wait for Hillary to be elected" and it got out, what would her response be then? It was "faked"? That's not really her? OK, that's her own personal feelings but on the air it all goes out the window?
Agreed. Great screen shot. Re
January 5, 2007 - 23:18 ET by PeskyDaneAgreed. Great screen shot. Really captures the imperious condescension we're come to expect from these libtards.
Simply Amazing!
January 5, 2007 - 21:39 ET by ImNotBlueI saw this live, and had to call my mother to see if she was watching!
O'Reilly DESTROYED her!
The best part of this was when Bill asked her if FOX was biased, and she started to stammer. I guess in her mind, reporters can only be biased right... but not left.She was so clearly pissed... HILARIOUS!
Now, people, Andrea could hav
January 5, 2007 - 22:40 ET by MikeBNow, people, Andrea could have been telling the literal truth when she said, "I don't think he (Chris Matthews) is a liberal thinker." She may very well know Chrissy is as liberal as any Marxist, but he is incapable of rational, independent thought. Therefore, not a thinker. Liberal, but not a liberal thinker.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Very Clintonesque, but I like
January 5, 2007 - 22:41 ET by JimboVery Clintonesque, but I like it!
Now THAT'S the first definiti
January 6, 2007 - 10:45 ET by donsalesNow THAT'S the first definitive definition of "is" I've heard from anybody since Bubba used it during his impeachement hearings....lmao!
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
LEFTIST
January 5, 2007 - 22:42 ET by replayWelcome to the jungle you tight-lipped, pockfaced leftist! WTG O'Rielly.............................!
Mitchell
January 5, 2007 - 22:49 ET by d1carterBill was really on tonight. The way he set the interview up was priceless. He just hammered NBC and then turned to Mitchell and said I don't mean you Andrea just your network. They have made a business decision to appeal to the left. You could see the steam coming from her ears.
That photo of Mitchell with t
January 5, 2007 - 23:17 ET by Republic1That photo of Mitchell with the look of frosty indignation and offended ego has just made my evening.
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -Muhammad
Brr? Blonde's
January 5, 2007 - 23:28 ET by foolnomoreWhoa,even my "ex" never got that mad !,, so i forgot??
These pompous liberal repor
January 6, 2007 - 00:03 ET by Conrad5These pompous liberal reporters are all in the same state of denial! It doesn't matter if its Marvin Kalb, Dan Rather, or Andrea Mitchell...none of them are ever willing to concede their obvious bias. One can only imagine the philosophical inbreeding that occurs amongst the staff in these network newsrooms.
Where is the liberal media
January 6, 2007 - 00:03 ET by joe conservativeWhere is the liberal media when on December 20, Prez AWOL attached a "signing statement" to a postal reform bill that "quietly claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans' mail without a judge's warrant." Is the Prez going postal? According to the Daily News: "That claim is contrary to existing law and contradicted the bill he had just signed, say experts who have reviewed it." ABC, CBS, and CNN have largely ignored the story, however, and ABC's Good Morning America reported that Bush "acquired new powers" and suggested that they were "included" the bill.
Exigent circumstances
January 6, 2007 - 01:15 ET by Equinox137Sorry, JoeLiberal, but the "experts" are wrong. You don't need a warrant for exigent circumstances. No police officer in the US does. Bush is just now authorizing federal agencies to take advantage of the exigent circumstances rule that has always existed.
This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive - it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.
Good shot Equinox. For so
January 6, 2007 - 01:20 ET by JerryGood shot Equinox.
For some reason, every time Joe CON talks about president AWOL, I'm thinking he's talking about Klinton. After all, GWB SERVED in the National Guard, while Klinton pleaded for a deferrment, and actually led anti-American protests on foreign soil while our troops were dying in Vietnam. Talk about AWOL. Klinton is the president who is on record claiming he "LOATHED the military".
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Translation:"One of my &
January 6, 2007 - 01:20 ET by Del DolemonteTranslation:
"One of my "unbiased" NBC news icons made a fool out of herself in front of a national audience, so it's time to change the subject!"
Signing statements
January 6, 2007 - 01:59 ET by mastersofdeceitOh yeah it's totally being ignored. bush+mail+signing statement=1,760,000
Where was the media on Dec 20th? Well when things like HR 6407 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act are announced, the media doze off. Can't say I blame them. So everybody slept thru the holidays until someone somewhere noticed it and alerted the aclu authorities. They have since had time this week to review it coming back from their "holiday" celebrations, and have now issued their fatwa yesterday. And the pro-democrat/anti-bush media have picked up on it.
Ya up to speed now?
I found this interview diss
January 6, 2007 - 00:05 ET by gueinI found this interview dissapointing because O'Reilly didn't allow Mitchell to complete two sentences in a row without interrupting. Obviously he didn't have enough faith that her own words would reveal that she is just as blind to the bias of her colleages as she is to her own. And then apologizes repeatedly for pursuing this line of questioning. Her answer to the last question about whether FNC is biased is indicative of how the MSM thinks: FNC is biased but the rest of us aren't. But then what do I know; I live in Fly Over, USA.
I found this interview dissap
January 6, 2007 - 00:08 ET by balboaI found this interview dissapointing because O'Reilly didn't allow Mitchell to complete two sentences in a row without interrupting.
That's kinda the BOR MO, isn't it? As well as Hannity. Maybe what should happen is someone say "YES it's liberal. Now let's move on." :-)
Andrea Mitchell is the class
January 6, 2007 - 00:10 ET by GalvanicAndrea Mitchell is the classic Professional Beltway Liberal. The wife of former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, one wonders when Mitchell last socialized with average citizens. I think that everyday, she and her NBC compadres stand together in front of a large mirror and reaffirm to each other that their is nothing wrong with their product.
I was absolutely floored by t
January 6, 2007 - 00:34 ET by NazarethI was absolutely floored by this segment- it was moronic beyond explanation. I could not beleive she said what shhe did with a straight face. It was like watching the movie liar liar
Guein- I think Oreilly did a good job trapping her by getting her to say that she doesn't beleive there is any bias in journalism, and then tripping all over herself when he asked her if she thought Fox was biased- if she had said no, then the left would have chewed her up for lunch, and she knew it- if she said yes, then she just showed the world that she is a liar and incabable of the truth
http://sacredscoop.com
Well then.
January 6, 2007 - 01:41 ET by Uncle PinkyNext time I need to be lied to by a woman with a face like a cassowary I'll know where to go. After Mr. Libby calls her as a defense witness she might, might, tell the truth.
Did you guys see the 2 wack
January 6, 2007 - 04:23 ET by ckc1227Did you guys see the 2 wackjobs that followed her? One, the guy who says it infringes on Muslim cab driver's religion to pick up people if they have alcohol or a dog, and the other tool(also a muslim) something shabaz who labelled the Duke lacrosse players as guilty. According to his logic, these guys should be found guilty of rape because they like to party.
Seriously, there are some mucked up people in this country.
Sure, it's always good to s
January 6, 2007 - 05:25 ET by Jack BauerSure, it's always good to see a black guy lead a lynch mob against men accused of rape.
His rarionale being that because white men in the past got away with rape then these three had to pay for that. Disgusting or what?
Memo to that moron -- men got away with raping women of all colors in the past: white, black, yellow, brown.
And I'm wondering where exactly Malik Shabazz stood when Mike Tyson was accused of raping a black women. Was he one of the many Afican-Americans who vilified the alleged victim? Did he immediately stand up and pronounce Tyson guilty too?
He was found guilty, by the way.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Wonder
January 6, 2007 - 11:01 ET by acumenWonder what the al shabazz take is on UN "piece" keepers and our former over-stimulated first black president?
While Mitchell said there is
January 6, 2007 - 05:26 ET by nicksmith112While Mitchell said there is no liberal bias at NBC,CBS, or ABC at the very end of the interview she mentioned that there are a few conservatives at FOX......
Will that be enough for her to save face back at the mother-ship???
I thought basically the sam
January 6, 2007 - 10:08 ET by PabloHoneyI thought basically the same thing - she was or would be OK with "There are no liberals at NBC, CBS, ABC, but there ARE conservatives at FOX". What a hoot and a 40 gallon crock of crap. Her and her ilk are so indoctrinated, it's no longer amazing to me. It just disgusts me.
For this, I missed taco night??
She so wanted to scream YEE
January 6, 2007 - 05:58 ET by Jack BauerShe so wanted to scream YEEEESSSSSS to OReilly's question at the end "Do you think Fox has a conservative bias."
But she was smart enough to realize he'd manouvered her into a corner at that point, so she lied.
Liberals will never admit that they and their liberals pals are inately biased (like everyone else) because their pointy little coneheads would explode.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Mitchell is a sociopathic lib
January 6, 2007 - 08:33 ET by gideonmjamesMitchell is a sociopathic liberal and (therefore, by default) a sociopathic liar. Murderers won't confess that they've murdered, liars won't admit when they've lied, and liberals won't acknowledge when they're liberal.
When you interview a lib, you're interviewing Satan.
If you want to conduct a more
January 6, 2007 - 08:54 ET by gideonmjamesIf you want to conduct a more honest interview with a liberal, you should ask questions like :
What is Satan's opinion regarding Iraq? What is Satan's personal thoughts on global warming and Al Gore? How does Beezlebub feel about homosexuality, gay marriage, and civil unions? In what ways does the Prince of Darkness think higher taxes will impact Americans positively? How pleased is Belial with the progress of Hillary Clinton's march to the White House? Is the Evil One satisfied with the gains Democrats made in the last election? How much longer does the Father of Lies plan on keeping Howard Dean as his point man at the DNC? ... and ... Why haven't you promoted Michael Moore to a more prominent position in your kingdom?
Ask these kinds of questions and you will frame your interview in the proper perspective.
Absolutely! Whenever you ap
January 6, 2007 - 09:10 ET by Eric TurnerAbsolutely! Whenever you apply the label to them their generic reply is "whatever that means." As if they don't know. Dang people, if you're liberal - admit it. Be proud of it. Embrace your inner self. Come out of the closet for pete's sake. You guys applaud the gays who do it. Now you need to start doing it.
I'm a conservative. I know I am. I embrace it. I love it. I'm a white male conservative christian. And the only part I'm ashamed of is the "white male" part because of my public school brainwashed acceptance of liberal thinkology. (that was sarcasm if you didn't catch it.)
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"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
First of all, she's a big tim
January 6, 2007 - 10:02 ET by cunservatyveFirst of all, she's a big time leftist--Bill was giving her way too much credit. Secondly, he should have asked her if she thought Fox News was biased. All liberal journalists seem to believe that, but they can't see (or they conveniently ignore) their own biases.
Attempting to claim that Chris Matthews isn't a liberal is like to attempting to claim that the grass is blue and the sky is green!
And that still image of her posted here is classic--the prototypical angry feminist trying-to-maintain-my-composure look. Here's another one that looks very similar:
http://www.spudart.o...
Cunservatyve military medical guy
If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote!
true believers
January 6, 2007 - 10:27 ET by CatherwoodI think it's worth noting that Bernie Goldburg explained long ago why talking heads like Andrea Mitchell don't think there is liberal bias in the news. Goldberg astutely pointed out that liberals like Mitchell are so surrounded by liberal opinion that they think that is the way Americans feel and think. If you live in NY, LA, Chicago, Boston and all you hear are the liberal talking points, then you can't help but be mistaken about the location of the middle ground. The talking-head liberals like Mitchell, Mathews, Lauer, Couric, etc. will defend themselves as being objective and not liberally biased; they have to do that to perserve some scrap of integrity. But, like O'Reilly points out, they know they are liberal and they'll admit it. The interesting point here is the arrogance involved. Even though they know they're liberal and they know their reporting is biasedl, they will maintain till the end that there reporting is unbiased and aimed at middle America. They see themselves as so intellectually surperior, so above the masses that they can take this position without a hint of conscience. And, their viewer numbers are sinking lower everyday. They're are the mountaintop singing to an empty valley.
O'Reilly interview
January 6, 2007 - 11:01 ET by seejayI happened to be watching O'Reilly, when this came on. I should mention that I'm no big fan. I like him when he's a conservative, but mostly IMHO, he's just another media whore.
He always sucks-up to the big networks, so he can sell his books! Like when he says he likes the folks at the Today Show. What crap! He sucked-up to Letterman-(big media whore) as well! At least the first time. And if you want to get your email read on the air it's easy. Just begin your letter with the words: "Dear Bill, I just bought your book......"
OK. Now that that's out of the way. Let me say, I LOVED BILL O'REILLY!
He was fantastic! He nailed Andrea Mitchell! "How do you define conservative?" Let's look at Andrea's written record and see if she has any trouble defining conservative.
But then we all got to see O'Reilly panic! He realized he invited this MSM queen on his show to plug HER book, and he was destroying her. He slammed on the brakes, and reversed course as fast as anyone I've seen on national TV! He even went so far as to tell us all to buy her book! Because he gave her such a hard time!
Priceless Media Moments!
And suddenly it all became cl
January 6, 2007 - 10:36 ET by Dave HighAnd suddenly it all became clear to me. On this site, anyone who is not a rabid dog conservative is a flaming liberal! There can be no in-between. There can be no honest journalism; it is either conservative or liberal. Thanks, but I am not buying it.
Regards, Dave High
Dave....Have you entered the
January 6, 2007 - 10:49 ET by donsalesDave....
Have you entered the androgenous zone?????
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
Did you mean to write androgy
January 6, 2007 - 10:57 ET by Dave HighDid you mean to write androgynous? Webster’s sells a product that you might find useful. It’s called a dickshunairee.
Regards, Dave High
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere to Hide....Can’t Spell, Either....
Wrong?
January 6, 2007 - 11:04 ET by acumenIf he keeps that up he might get stuck in Iraq Dave. I'm sorry. Was that "botched joke" wrong?
Dave
January 6, 2007 - 11:06 ET by seejayhey now. Let's go easy on the spelling critiques. This isn't a grammar school.
I was merely suggesting that
January 6, 2007 - 11:10 ET by Dave HighI was merely suggesting that if you can’t spell big words, don’t use them. In this day and age, it’s downright hip to be “plainspoken.” Heck, you can even be president!
Regards, Dave High
"Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." ~ George W. Bush ~ MakesYaProudDonIt?
Naw, Dave, you haven't got any other point so you choose spellin
January 6, 2007 - 11:17 ET by acaiguanaNaw, Dave, you haven't got any other point so you choose spelling.
Haven't change an iota have you?
We don't do spelling stuff on this site. Unless of course one is a Liberal without substance.
Those guys do it.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Okaa. Fare enuf.Regards, Da
January 6, 2007 - 11:21 ET by Dave HighOkaa. Fare enuf.
Regards, Dave High
"Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." ~ George W. Bush ~ MakesYaProudDonIt?
Dave--I may be mistaken but d
January 6, 2007 - 11:32 ET by ncstevemDave--I may be mistaken but didn't you post on here that you have three sons? I think it was in the same thread where you were defending the current social security system and you argued that all that needs to be done to make the system 'solvent' is to raise the cap on income that is taxed by SSI.
If one of your sons came to you and asked for advice about an investment that will pay about a 0% return (actually it will soon be a negative return on investment) would you counsel him that it would be a good investment?
If I am correct, then you don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to questioning the intelligence of President Bush.
My apologies if I have you confused with someone else.
Social Security is an insuran
January 6, 2007 - 11:47 ET by Dave HighSocial Security is an insurance program. It is not an investment scheme. It is intended to build up money over time. Poor people generally don’t have “extra” cash on hand to invest in the stock market. Social Security is their safety net. Your 0% return on investment analogy therefore has no basis in reality.
By-the-by, I never questioned Bush’s intelligence. I just wish the leader of the free world could form a proper sentence. 745 days, 15 minutes and counting.
Regards, Dave High
Rather than focus on spelling, I think you need to focus on idea
January 6, 2007 - 11:57 ET by acaiguanaRather than focus on spelling, I think you need to focus on ideas.
For example, take this statement.
"It is not an investment scheme. It is intended to build up money over time."
It pretty much says it all for your assertive talking point logic.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Actually Dave Social Security
January 6, 2007 - 12:16 ET by ncstevemActually Dave Social Security is a retirement program not insurance. It may contain the word 'insurance' in its name but it doesn't meet the definition of 'insurance'.
Since you like to direct others to use the dictionary I'll give you the dictionary definition of 'insurance'.
"1. n. an insuring or being insured against loss; a system of protection against loss in which a number of individuals agree to pay certain sums periodically for a guarantee that they will be compensated under stipulated conditions for any specified loss by fire, accident, death, etc. 2. a) a contract guaranteeing such protection: usually called insurance policy: see policy (sense 1) b) the premium specified for such a contract 3. the amount for which life, property, etc. is insured 4. the business of insuring against loss
As you can see, Social Security doesn't meet any of the four definitions given in Webster's Dictionary for 'insurance' since it isn't voluntary (as implied in definition #1) and it isn't a protection against 'loss'.
So I ask you again Dave, would you advise one of your sons to invest in a retirement program that pays approximately a 0% return?
Since you like to direct oth
January 6, 2007 - 14:51 ET by ckc1227Since you like to direct others to use the dictionary I'll give you the dictionary definition of 'insurance'.
"1. n. an insuring or being insured against loss; a system of protection against loss in which a number of individuals agree to pay certain sums periodically for a guarantee that they will be compensated under stipulated conditions for any specified loss by fire, accident, death, etc. 2. a) a contract guaranteeing such protection: usually called insurance policy: see policy (sense 1) b) the premium specified for such a contract 3. the amount for which life, property, etc. is insured 4. the business of insuring against loss
Not only that, last time I checked, most forms of insurance are optional when talking about one's own interests. It's only required when other's interests are at risk.
Davey...Davey...Davey... (s
January 6, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasDavey...Davey...Davey... (spoken in Reaganeese) you attempt to be sarcastic and fail even with minimal requirements. While I agree with your sentiments about the poor and possibly even middle income and the social security system and some of the reality about poor people not having the time, skill or resources needed for basic investing, the comment about the President, though an attempt to be satirical I assume, was stupid.
Now if you stated "I wish the leader of the free world would form a proper sentence more often" well such a comment might warrant some chagrin but in this case your attempt at hyperbole is a dart that hits the readers and not the intended target. Obviously the President has a significant formal education and has demonstrated his proficiency in forming and using complete sentences. Your comment treats your audience (that would be those reading what you post) as ignoramuses and as such simpletons that they must be illuminated by what you think is a clever revelation that the President cannot form a complete sentence. Even as satire or sarcasm it fails to make a point because he has repeatedly demonstrated such capacity.
You might wonder why such a lengthy response is devoted to such a mild insult. Well, generally it would be by-passed if it were some nitwit like joeconservative or rhayes whose body of texted dialogue here are lessons in non-sequitur responses but you Dave, you expect as much from those with whom you debate so here's one for you...now when you finish eating your piece of "stupid cake" I was called upon to serve to you (from the very "stupid cake" you baked) move along and improve your wit.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Poor people would indeed have
January 6, 2007 - 13:42 ET by UnsanePoor people would indeed have the money to invest in, say, an IRA, if they stopped spending their meager incomes on upgrades to their cellphones every 3 months, new cars/trucks that they cannot afford, cigarettes, and other such things that get them in serious financial trouble. But of course, Dave, you'd much rather coddle them and subsidize their bad habits instead of making them severely uncomfortable in poverty, and thus motivating them to get out of it.
As for your silly dig at President Bush: sounds to me you need someone who SOUNDS good only. All I heard for eight years was the media not shutting up about how great a speaker Clinton was. He was, if you never paid attention to his actions (or lack thereof), or bothered to scrutinize what he was saying. Since I did both, his speech never impressed me. Bush isn't the greatest public speaker, but I'd rather have someone who says what he intends to do and then stands behind it rather than some well-polished, well-spoken man of many words but zero action.
And people wonder why politics can be irritating. For Dave and way too many others, it's about image and appearance, not substance. (I for one so want to hear Bush use "fixin'" in a sentence, as in "I'm fixin' to veto some legislation...")
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Unsane:What with their cell p
January 6, 2007 - 15:55 ET by Dave HighUnsane:
What with their cell phones, cars, truck, cigarettes; yeesh, these poor folk are a real mess, aren’t they? Talk about gross generalizations on your part! Why don’t you throw in welfare queens driving Cadillacs for good measure? You remember that one, don’t you? It was a legendary falsehood cooked up by one Ronald Reagan. As for the president’s inability to speak properly, it’s a national embarrassment. His war in Iraq is an international embarrassment. But thank God he knows what he stands for!
Regards, Dave High
Gross generalizations? Like
January 6, 2007 - 16:13 ET by UnsaneGross generalizations? Like the Left's gross generalizations of the greedy Right? Like your gross generalization of how the Left is more comapssionate when even studies show the reverse is quite true?
You may want to bear in mind that as I have worked, traveled and interacted with many people from many backgrounds over the years, I noted that those who are poor desperately WANT to be or have serious trouble following the simple financial dictate of "spend less than you earn". Those who are wealthy figure these things out early, and thus make themselves targets for Dave High to steal from them.
Want to NOT be poor? Do the following: 1) keep it in your pants, 2) get educated, 3) spend less than you earn, 4) learn a trade/skill. It's really quite simple. It also helps if the government doesn't pay people to be poor (hat tip to Friedman).
To underscore this, I will relate one reason why I don't do charitable work (people are such ingrates, as you show each and every time you post): many years ago one Christmas I worked at a used toy sale where we would take old toys donated to us and give them to the "needy". I didn't see too many poor people there, but I did see lots of nicely dressed people pull up in BMWs and Cadillacs to snap them up. The sad truth was that the "poor" wouldn't be caught dead getting those toys for nothing; they'd rather blow all their money on the latest and greatest things.
You would really begin learning more if you would circulate in society beyond the bounds of the bubble you have created for yourself.
Thank you also for underscoring the fact that you think that the government's role of protecting and defending you is gorssly overrated; that government is supposed to, instead, be Dave High's personal babysitter/nanny. No, Dave, the international embarrassment is a leader who thought it was a great idea to nerve gas his own people (and never be held to account until recently). The national embarrassment are people such as you who would vote for any leader who SOUNDS good and prefers style over substance.
Suggested reading: The Millionaire Next Door, The Millionaire Mind.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???" - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
High Dave...I met someone onl
January 6, 2007 - 16:21 ET by Clear thinkerHigh Dave...
I met someone only 3 weeks ago that bragged that he and his wife get disability checks every month, and have been doing so for over 6 years. The only reason he talked to me was because I had commented on his brand new $70,000 Escalade!
poor people and poor Dave
January 7, 2007 - 00:49 ET by CaliosWe all know the welfare queens are diving Cadillacs because there's an underground economy that's existed for years to get around the official economy. I thought we were suppose to have a President that mirrored the people? A man who we, the common people, could identify with. We all can't speak with a silver tougne and flash a perfect remark or expression all the time. The war in Iraq may be a little different from what I would do, but it's an admirable and gallant attempt to give or offer a people in a backward part of the world an opportunity to have what our country took a hundred or so years to develop. Personally, I would have torched and done what the terrorist did to the WTC on 9/11 and made sure the rest of the world knew if the USA was attack, there would be hell to pay. For some reason I think some got that message (Libyia?), but not everybody.
Kill them all and let God sort them out. and If you are honest with God your sins and ask for forgiveness, you have no fear of death and what awaits you afterward.
"Poor people generally don’
January 6, 2007 - 14:46 ET by ckc1227"Poor people generally don’t have “extra” cash on hand to invest in the stock market. Social Security is their safety net."
Maybe that's because any extra cash they would have is taken from them and placed into the flawed social security system. Allow them to put that money into a legitimate retirement program, and there would be no need for the so-called safety net.
But thanks for basically laying out the liberal plan for helping poor people, which is to take any extra money they may have so they have to rely on government to take care of them. Congratulations though, because it seems to be working. Less and less people these days are interested in taking of themselves it seems.
Dave, insurance is a contract
January 6, 2007 - 17:59 ET by MikeBDave, insurance is a contract. Social Security does not meet the elements necessary and sufficient to qualify as a contract. No, I will not do your research on this matter for you. Look up the elements of a contract for yourself.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Social Security is an insurance program
January 7, 2007 - 00:32 ET by CaliosIf Allstate or State Farm were being run like Social Security their investors would be asking a lot of questions and wondering if their investment is turning into a debt because it's losing money and spending money it doesn't have at the present.
God help us and let the Chinese be good masters, because we have been so.
Duh NN
January 6, 2007 - 11:35 ET by acumenDuh!!!!!! I forgot about the "if you can't spell big words, don't use them" rule. My bad Dave. Maybe I'm the one that should be stuck in Iraq. Ooops, was that wrong again? You failed to instruct me on that in your previous comment and I certainly don't want to make a mistake when replying to a comment of yours.
I must say, I am a bit disappointed with your derogatory "plainspoken" comment. I don't think disrespecting Carter on this thread is exhibiting the "new direction" of "civility" our history-making Congress is encouraging.
History making Congress
January 6, 2007 - 11:42 ET by acaiguanaHistory making Congress
Is it just me or is it wishful to hope for a non-history making Congress for once? Like one that at the end of its term could say:
"We didn't do anything. We did repeal 9,999 pieces of Legislation that other Congresses enacted. We did not create any new laws."
Probably a fantasy.
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Dear Dingleberry Dave...
January 6, 2007 - 12:42 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasNothing like a man on a high horse to see so clearly what the rest of the world is too lamebrained to see. Just what we need, another crusader to save us from ourselves.
Look Dingleberry Dave, there are plenty of moderates here, in-betweeners, you just THINK you are one and therein lies your problem. You look in the mirror and tell the guy you see, "Hey, you are just the person I wanted to see today" and then begin to dress him in clothing that doesn't fit and call him a taxi-driver (that means a political neutral, an in-betweener).
Dave the truth is you think quite like a super-lib. You might have a few notches intellectually on the average super-lib that posts here but your thought processes and method of argument is often quite reflective of a super-lib.
As far as no moderates, well I am one. I am pro-choice, pro-social security (but against illegals receiving it or recognition of contributing while working illegally because crime need not be rewarded), I am for amnesty of the illegals so they can legally begin to contribute (but not carte-blanche and have suggested some strict requirements and probationary periods), I reject required prayer in public schools or any required religious exercise (though freedom to participate in clubs, carry literature and freely discuss religious beliefs I do support), I do not believe George W. Bush is a President who has excelled but is mediocre as a leader and at the same time can say he is still far from the disaster of Jimmy Carter, I think Michelle Malkin can be demagougic at times, I find Sean Hannity to be a dummy parrot who is void of original thought and is only right because he has parroted someone who is right but then when pressed as to how he came to his conclusion he is empty-handed, I like Rush Limbaugh and believe he is a pioneer and social commentator extrodinair though I don't agree with him always, I like Rudy and can't stand McCain, Pat Robertson is a fool. Hope that helps and I seem to get along quite dandy here. Now if what I just described seems like a rabid dog conservative...well it is time for so redefining.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
"Dingleberry Dave"C
January 6, 2007 - 15:38 ET by Dave High"Dingleberry Dave"
Coming from a guy who has three first names, I will take that as a compliment. And its super DUPER lib to you, buster.
Regards, Dave High
Hey Dingleberry Dave...
January 6, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI have no doubt you believe being a Dingleberry is a compliment, this was expected. As far as a super-lib like you wishing he could have 3 first names like me, well I can understand that so...there is always Ricky Bobby which has 2 so that might be a place to start...but then again like you said, you seem to prefer being at the bottom with "Dingleberry Dave". Hey, you said it...now what was it you were complaining about?
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Andrea Mitchell...
January 6, 2007 - 11:55 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasMy question is in no way an attempt to gauge Mitchell's qualifications as a television news journalist, an author or her social and political acumen as it relates to her reporting or stated observations, with that in hand allow me to ask:
What the he!! is going on with Andrea Mitchell's face?
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
All these Liberal women have problems with their faces.
January 6, 2007 - 12:13 ET by acaiguanaAll these Liberal women have problems with their faces.
You never see the back of their heads. There is generally anywhere from 4 to 6 plus inches of skin pulled back there.
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That's funny ACA! Webst
January 6, 2007 - 12:35 ET by JerryThat's funny ACA! Websters dictionary is going to have to expand to include Conservative vs Liberal definitions.
Stretch marks: (C) A marking on the skin of the abdomen caused by excessive stretching during pregnancy. (L) A marking on the skin of the face caused by excessive stretching during a face lift for the sake of vanity.
Botox: (C) Discussions about the art of bow hunting (ie. Bow Talks). (L) The process of injecting toxins into the face for the sake of vanity.
Pointy head: (C) A derrogatory name given to intellectual elitists. (L) The point on the back of the head caused by the displacement of facial skin during a facelift.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
O'reilly beats Matthews greater than 5:1 ratio in viewers.
January 6, 2007 - 12:27 ET by acaiguanaO'reilly beats Matthews greater than 5:1 ratio in viewers.
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,505,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,802,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,374,000
FNC HUME 1,258,000
FNC GRETA 1,194,000
CNN KING 1,014,000
CNN COOPER 835,000
CNN DOBBS 814,000
CNNHN GRACE 676,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 665,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 648,000
CNN ZAHN 643,000
CNNHN BECK 467,000
MSNBC MATTHEWS 424,000
OK....
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From TVNewser...
January 6, 2007 - 12:48 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasI believe Drudge gets his info on this from mediabistro's TVNewser
TVNewser gives the daily numbers and Drudge picked a day when they all had numbers that were up because of the Congressional News. But even with upped numbers Goobermann lost to...Nancy Grace....hahahahahahahaha.
Since late November, after the elections when everyone got a boost, Goobermann and MSNBC's claim to higher numbers have lost at least 100,000 viewers daily. If you research on TVNewser in the "Ratings" section which is to your right on the website, it will give you daily results and Goobermann dropped back to his pre-election numbers and even lower.
Goodbermann lost to Nancy Grace....hahahahahahahahahahaha...nitwit.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
How can we take her seriosly
January 6, 2007 - 13:05 ET by JLS Las VegasHow can we take her seriosly when she can't be honest?
I wouldn't take Andrea's word
January 6, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Dave RI wouldn't take Andrea's word for a flood if I were standing on the roof of my house up to my neck in water!
But she didnt' say...
January 6, 2007 - 15:23 ET by Guy Arthur ThomasBut Andrea didn't say she didn't believe there was bias at Fox...lol...oops Andrea.
If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.
Love the video, you can see h
January 6, 2007 - 18:43 ET by VT Con ManLove the video, you can see her wheels turning[[[[[[[ ("Can't acknowledge anything, must keep our farce denied, must make bill the bad guy, must not let on that we fight for the dems every day, must get shattner to help me with these mind talks.") OK andrea godzilla girl, go back to the powder room, your puddy is starting to crack and smear.
Of Course She Doesn't
January 8, 2007 - 10:09 ET by emjem24I just love how Mitchell believes that there's no bias in the MSM. Is that like saying there's no suger in Koolaid (sorry, couldn't resist). She really doesn't live in the same world as other people. When will these liberals wake up and take some responsibility for the lack of balance they put out? Oh, no, we don't bash the president; oh, no, we don't bash our military; oh, no, we don't assault the traditions of America; oh, no, we don't promote the homosexual, pro-illegal agenda. Give me a break! And Matthews not a liberal? Could she be more naive? She should know better at her age. She's so close to the liberal reporting she can't see it from any other perspective.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto