On CNN's Reliable Sources this weekend, liberal former CNN Crossfire co-host Bill Press returned to his old network to deliver an old, reliable liberal talking point: the 'mainstream media' is largely responsible for the war in Iraq, because they failed to ask the tough questions that would have convinced the country about the soundness of leaving Saddam Hussein alone. Laura Ingraham provided the opposition, who said the media opposes the war, and doesn't want to cover the bloody aftermath of an American withdrawal:
BILL PRESS: I beg to differ. Look, the media, in large part, gave us this war, because they went along and repeated everything that George Bush said without asking tough questions. And I'm even talking about The New York Times.
HOST HOWARD KURTZ: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
LAURA INGRAHAM: Oh, come on. That's ridiculous.
It's amazing that liberals would be so harsh on their home team of journalists, even as the media complained about a "rush to war" for months and imagined massive casualties (even biological and chemical attacks) as a way to convince the public to oppose a war. But Press pressed on:
KURTZ: Now, it is certainly true that everybody at every news organization I've talked to said that the media were not aggressive enough during the run-up to war. But you're saying they gave us this war?
PRESS: Wait. I'll repeat what I said.
KURTZ: We would not have gone to war had it not been for the press?
PRESS: In part, they are responsible for this war, because they didn't do their job. And yes, I do believe that they if they had asked the questions and more -- and American people knew what the truth was, as opposed to the propaganda we're getting from the White House, I think there would not have been the support for the war.
INGRAHAM: Now the press is supposed to be an intelligence agency, too?
PRESS: No, just tell the truth.
INGRAHAM: I mean, every intelligence agency in the world thought there were WMD.
PRESS: Tell the truth. Ask questions. Don't just take it and swallow it.
INGRAHAM: Well, their answers would have been they have WMDs.
Later in the show, Kurtz discussed Tony Blair and that "Bush’s poodle" imagery with Merril Stevenson of The Economist and BBC Washington correspondent Justin Webb. They painted a very clear picture that the Brits think the worst parts of America have seeped into Tony Blair’s political style:
KURTZ: Is Blair's image -- his media image, that is, in Britain, Merril Stevenson, still one to some degree of being Bush's poodle?
STEVENSON: Yes. I think it is very much so. Possibly unfairly. I think the only time at which the press maybe did get it a little bit wrong was the "yo, Blair," incident at the St. Petersburg summit. I come from a place that is probably not very far from where you come from in the United States. And "yo, Blair" could be seen as a sort of streetwise mateyness rather than a condescending summoning of a servant.
We all did make rather a meal of it in Britain. And I think that didn't help Blair any. Yes, I think he is seen very much as man who aligned Britain's interests with America's at the expense of the British.
WEBB: And you know, the manner of his departing is seen as American too. And not American in a good sense.
KURTZ: I read a columnist who said it was very American, is that an insult?
WEBB: It is an insult, frankly speaking. Yes. Let's be blunt about it. It is an insult. Because as I was saying with Winston Churchill, we like our [leaders] to go, Margaret Thatcher just went. He is now staying on, he is doing kind of a world tour. He's not going on until the end of June. What's going on now? It's an un- British thing. The fact that he said in his leaving speech, Britain is the finest country in the world, the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, that's not something a British person would ever say. It's utterly American.
STEVENSON: Absolutely appalling.
KURTZ: Absolutely appalling? I don't understand why.
STEVENSON: I was watching it -- I was watching with a group of people, and as he came to this "British are the greatest people in the world," he subsequently referred to them as "it," which was rather strange. But as he said this, everyone in the room gagged and said, take it back to Texas. (LAUGHTER) But I think it's wrong to think that Blair isn't emotional. After all, he has mastered -- he has made his own that he sort of engineered emotional, vocal hiccup, the short takes, his voice choked with emotion. He plays emotion a lot, but it is not always very popular with the British, I have to say.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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So now it's the MSM's fault
May 14, 2007 - 06:46 ET by OldSailor88I love this. Now the left is blaming their media lapdogs on the war. Conservatives knew that if we let the left have control for a while they would eventually falter in their moonbat ideas and begin eating their own.
Congress Incompetent?
May 14, 2007 - 07:09 ET by allanfSo Bill, you believe Congress is incompetent? The poor elected representatives of the people cannot make sound judgements?
The only hope for America is a vigorous press which gets its news from the press releases of public relations hacks and press secretaries of politicians?
You are either a very silly or very cynical man.
I think what Bill is trying t
May 14, 2007 - 08:43 ET by NewsbusterbrownI think what Bill is trying to say is that the drive-by media should have lied more than they actually did.
Ugh.
May 14, 2007 - 09:53 ET by Dave PierreBill Press' line that the "mainstream media gave us this war ... even the New York Times" is historical revisionism at its worst.
The left likes to point to a small handful of articles by Judith Miller as evidence that the NYT cheerleaded for the war; but that's misleading. Check out Bob Kohn's book Journalistic Fraud, which shows how the NYTimes challenged the Iraq conflict from the very beginning. Articles against the war (plus front-page photos of war demonstrations) were pervasive and unrelenting before the Iraq war began.
Press' claim is simply bogus.
The press might have accepted Clinton & Gores' view..
May 14, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Gary HallThe press might have accepted Clinton & Gores' view..
Dave.. exactly. Any elementary search of the news shows that the MSM, across the board, was desperate to stop the Iraq war. A few weeks ago, there was a blog post at Huffington by Richard Morse; in which the case was presented that the media did not cover the anti-war protests (specifically CNN) during the lead up to the war. I did a quick check of the news, and what a surprise, there was a substantial amount of coverage on CNN, both domestically and abroad. When I questioned him, he sent me back piece of poetry. Oh, yea - fighting truth with poetry.
In the meantime, folks.. for the tiny little bits of evidence which migh indicate to some extent that a few in the media "quote", bought into the evidence of WMD issue, I might suggest that it might have also been because our media tends to show a lot of faith in the last team in Washington; Clinton, Gore, Albright, Cohen, and team. Although these Moyers' and Press spinner types prefer to ignore it, teh Clinton folks are still on record in the lead up to the war, in 2002, and after the war began (2003 and 2004 - and John Edwards nailing it in 2007), telling us all that they believed that the WMD's were there, based on information they had prior to leaving office - that Bush had it right.
This is indeed a great discussion - Bill Press and Bill Moyers - but the discussion is about what "our" government - your government, also - believed, not about how you wish to re-define it.
The "drive-by media"
May 14, 2007 - 11:12 ET by BeowulfThe "drive-by media" didn't lie about the war in it's initial stages. They simply did what they continue to do to this day - repeat what their darling liberal politicians said at the time. Remember, all but one congress-critter voted for the war. So, of course the media was supportive. Now, pretty much all but one are against the war - hence the media hype about how terrible and mismanaged everything is.
If ever there was decisive evidence of media bias toward the left, this should be considered definitive.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
The press never asked ?
May 14, 2007 - 07:24 ET by SportPoliticsIsn't it these same people who screamed that Rumsfeld answered exactly whre the WMD would be ? I seem to recall many replayed grillings of Cheney, and the endless queries about how sure are you, and a big argument over the chem bio suits not being good enough.
I think the problem is the press didn't know and doesn't know, but now it's convenient to pretend that if they dug deep enough they could have found one person who said WMD was probably not there, before the war.
In fact, the glaringly blatant omission even now is their great cadre of witnesses who knew WMD wasn't there before the war.
Where are they lib press idiots? Can't you find even one who will quack up a lie for you and forge some documents to claim they said otherwise prior to invasion ? I gues not.
GWB must have had absolute control over every dem in the entire congress, all of whom had access to all the WMD evaluation of the intel agencies, and it was reported a total of 6 members of either party in congress actually took advantage of their right, and showed up somewhere in the bowels of intelligence to check for themselves.
Not one of them has come forward, claiming they knew something other than the lie about GWB sexed up intel.
The press looks so pathetic on this, it's shameful to watch them continue to complain about themselves, while trying to blame it all on Bush.
They are a SHAME to a portion of the 1st amendment, even as they lie about the reason why.
"INGRAHAM: I mean, every
May 14, 2007 - 07:26 ET by golfingtitan"INGRAHAM: I mean, every intelligence agency in the world thought there were WMD."
So why do they blame Bush for going to war? Weren't they flying under that banter for so long? Like it was Bush's fault they ended up not having WMD's (which is still debatable...).
Now they fly under the "uhhhh....well.... uh, it was a mismanaged war. Yeah! MISMANANGED! Grab yer torch and pitchforks!" The war Bush started was managed perfectly. We got in, did the job, and the mission was accomplished (hence flying that banner). Then, Iran and Syria sent their "freedumb fighters" in to disrupt the developing democratic state because they knew their countries would be next.
Now they can say, "See? Do you guys want to go through that?"
Why doesn't the media put the blame where it belongs? Iran, Syria, and Radical Islam. Iraq is the way it is because of THEM, not Bush. Bush had to adapt almost immediately as a new president because the terrorists had free reign under Clinton, and Clinton never did a thing about it.
I'm officially on the record as saying Bush is one of the greatest presidents we've ever had.
Right on golfingtitan
May 14, 2007 - 07:54 ET by SportPoliticsRight on golfingtitan. Let's see, war goal - remove Saddam's government, install new government, and help move forward.
Goals met - Saddam's gov removed, new gov elected, and some progress on rebuilding and moving forward, along with 9 millionvoting at least twice nationwide.
So, how is that a "loss" ?
I'm sorry, I know this sounds a bit crazy, but a long time ago I said it was a WIN, and it still is in my book. There is another government there, it was elected, and so far it hasn't disintegrated, so - it's still a win.
I guess the PC and Bush hate is so far off the map - claiming the current situation is a loss, or never was a win, is modern thinking.
They even go far as to say someone has to define a win, as if noone would know what it is.
Well I know what it is, and we have already won it.
We could lose, or rather THEY could lose what they have, which in my book would be a government coup - or a total disintegration with some other triple government resulting.
If the fighting goes on for another decade before it settles down, oh well, it's still a nation with a government, and it's tentatively an elected government, not a dictatorship as it was.
Yeah, sorry to all the insane folks running the news and this nation, but we already won.
Let me put it another way:
There's a bunch of warring and crap in the Sudan, right ? There's the Islamic government fighting and slaughtering away with a portion of the domestic opposition. Is that a "loss" ?
Same with that crap Abu Sayeff in the Phillipines that was going on for I don't know how many years. Was that a constant "loss" because the government with all their outside help couldn't "stabilize the islands and stop the attacks" ?
Of course, one may wish to evaluate the costs and the overblown media shrieking, but how is Iraq a "loss" - if Afghanistan is not ? Are there no attacks or deaths in Afghanistan ? LOL
Yes, just what the hell is our crazy Reid and all the rest of them talking about ?
SportP & GolfingT :) ..
May 14, 2007 - 15:39 ET by MrShySportP & GolfingT :) .... I just signed it to say, SO SO true !!!! to everything you've both written and the many points you've made!!
Even I have been brainwashed, to a large degree in fact, by the vile, left-agenda-driven MSM, as I have subconciously let them pull me to the center/fence about Iraq, manipulating me into forgetting the innumerable ways that we've (the great US of A, that is!) been TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL on so many fronts in the Iraq war....
AND... in Bush's WoT policies globally/overall !! (something I pointed out in another thread last week.... when I countered the completely bogus "report" that came in of how terrorism has "increased worldwide 25%" when they were including insurgent killings in Iraq/Afgan in the mix, as "global terror" rather than the stateless enemy using the only heiness counter-attack methods they have, of terror, in a war. Completely misleading, that report, and they know it... it's sick.
Never forget that Bill Press
May 14, 2007 - 07:34 ET by GalvanicNever forget that Bill Press is a Democratic operative, having run for the Congress in California (and losing) and working on Democratic staffs. No doubt, Press is trying to provide some cover for all those Dem Senators and Representatives who voted for the war by blaming the MSM for not doing its job.
Galv - Definately agree. Pres
May 14, 2007 - 07:59 ET by Gat New YorkGalv - Definately agree. Press is one of those pseduo-journalists (i.e. Matthews, Russert) who were political operatives and are still doing the same with the disguise of a journalist.
This is also proving that the best thing to happen to the GOP was the Democrats winning a majority in both houses in the mid-term. Now they can't operate on just pointing fingers because it will always come back to them.
This is a testmonial to the a
May 14, 2007 - 07:58 ET by dodecahedronThis is a testmonial to the arrogance of the mainstream media. The only way you can believe not stopping the war was the fault of the press is to believe that the press had the power to stop it.
"Apparently, their hypocricy knows no boundaries..." -Tombstone
With a nod to Krauthammer, th
May 14, 2007 - 08:18 ET by jondelwicheWith a nod to Krauthammer, these revisionist buffoons are delusional.America wanted this war for a decade. It was the right choice no matter the current outcome.There was far too much debate prior to the 2002 fall elections, but the outcome there, just like theRepublicans overwhelming win in 2004 (i.e Bush win aside, congress hit 60 year highs for elephants)cannot be revised. People wanted Saddam and his clan dead. Better late than never.The media creates a false fantasy: ignoring America has 50 murders each and every day.While I love our armed forces and wish them the best, I'd love to see a drop of media angst forour murder victims: 18 Americans murders (by fellow citizens) to every fallen soldier.dont see that story, do you?
Never forget that Bill Press
May 14, 2007 - 09:52 ET by TENever forget that Bill Press is such a pea-brained, blithering idiot that he fell for the internet hoax of the century, to wit: the "study" from the "Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania".
And then he defended his idio
May 14, 2007 - 16:49 ET by Del DolemonteAnd then he defended his idiocy in getting fooled. For those who don't remember, the "Lovenstein Institute", a fictitious institution, claimed to have done a study proving Dubyah was the dumbest President ever.
Now every time I rattle Press' cage by replying to his zany editorials, I open each comment with "How are things at the Lovenstein Institute?"
I apologize for the length, b
May 14, 2007 - 10:09 ET by KC MulvilleI apologize for the length, but this fantasy really irritates me. Let’s take the presumption that “a more inquisitive press would have prevented Iraq” and examine it. For this to fly, we’d have to believe either that the press would …
The problem is that the Beltway already has a method of dealing with a deaf politician: it’s called “leaking.” But no one leaked anything to the press at the time. The leaks only started when the intelligence proved wrong, and the people who were responsible for the faulty intelligence scrambled to avoid blame. Then the ship sprouted thousands of leaks.
That leaves us with the Karl Rove fear, which is perfect because you don’t need to offer evidence. Moyers offers nothing than anecdotes from reporters who claim they “you just knew not to question.” Moyers then claims the ‘patriot police’ would come knocking, leaving you with the idea of terrible Gestapo-like retaliation if reporters didn’t obey. And what was this dreaded threat of retaliation? He cites Walter Isaacson: there would be phone calls from people in corporations (not from advertisers or Bush operatives), who told him he was being un-American. In other words, they would be criticized. Big whup.
This is entirely a psychodrama that the MSM is playing, at our expense, as a way to retain their illusion that they’re powerful and virtuous. “If only they had stayed true to themselves,” they’d have slain the Bush War Monster.
What a self-indulgent pile of crap!
Ditto that.The MSM's arroganc
May 14, 2007 - 10:52 ET by kathleenirishDitto that.
The MSM's arrogance knows no equal. They are unbelievable, even now they still shock me with their ignorance and elitism.
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
Bill Press...you are sooooo o
May 14, 2007 - 15:59 ET by bigtimerBill Press...you are sooooo over.
Tootle along now....
The media was lazy, thats the
May 14, 2007 - 20:31 ET by goldwaterfanThe media was lazy, thats the fact. They all cheerleaded the march to war in Iraq and didn't check out the reasons for going in.
That's liberal thinking, goldwater
May 14, 2007 - 21:31 ET by RJThat's child-like liberal thinking, goldwater...but the media isn't nearly as omniscient as you liberals believe. Your desire for them to be all-powerful is magical thinking....that is, you wish it so it must be true. Time to grow up, Peter Pan.
Go up the thread and read KC's post. Respond to it.
Possibly you are referring to
May 14, 2007 - 22:09 ET by dahliatraversPossibly you are referring to WMD? Yes, all they had to do was ask hundreds of thousands of Kurds and Iranians. They'd have been glad to describe at length how Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD and certainly didn't use them. On innocent civilians, least of all.