Dueling Blogs-- Alan Colmes Responds to NewsBusters

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By Warner Todd Huston | April 14, 2008 - 01:33 ET

Git out yer shootin' irons and settle in for a blog duel, folks, because the inestimable Alan Colmes has answered to NewsBusters on his less than secret blog, LiberalLand.com. Mr. Colmes sent me a little email notice that he has answered to my ribbing of him on the 13th and I have the honor to reply in kind with a fisking of his latest.

Firstly, I will certainly admit that Mr. Colmes' guns might bark a little louder than your humble NewsBuster's (that's me, of course). After all, he has a TV show and a radio show, as well as a well-visited blog. On the other hand, I merely watch TV and have been but a radio show guest speaker... however, I DO blog on one of the most visited conservative sites on the Internet (that would be Newsbusters.org, naturally).

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Mr. Colmes' reply consists of an opening sentence followed by bulleted talking points. So, what follows is his bulleted points after which my replies to each will appear.

Colmes began with this:

Hey, Warner at Newsbusters, how about accurately representing what I said? Neither I, nor Obama for that matter, ever said, “Middle America is full of racist, overly religious gun-nuts.” Here are some other things you ought to know before you misrepresent me.

Well, Mr. Colmes, I wouldn't say "misrepresent" so much as clarify. But, let us continue.

  • I have no problem with Obama getting the nomination, but I am on record as a Hillary supporter.

Let it so be known, then.

  • Defending someone because you feel he is wrongly criticized does not make you an “apologist.”

Since you are so fond of splitting hairs, Mr. Colmes, I'd like to correct you. Since you are making the disingenuous "some say" argument to explain away Obama's overheated rhetoric, I'll add a bit to your talking point number two just so:

"Defending someone because you feel he is wrongly criticized does not necessarily make you an "apologist," though some are apologists."

There that seems more in fitting with your style, sir. No, don't thank me. I'm glad to help.

  • I was never “hiding” Liberaland. I started it on a lark and people found out about it. If I wanted to hide it I would have kept it a private blog.

Well, then. I was misinformed as to the initial status of your blogging efforts. I only want to say in my defense that "some said" that your blog was a secret in the beginning. But, I see no reason to make this an argument. Consider your word here the last you'll hear from me on the subject.

  • There are some people who “cling” to guns and religion. Not all. Not most. Some.

I see. Well, some Democrats despise everything about their country and would love to see it turned into a lesser version of Europe. They'd love to jail every conservative, destroy the sanctity of marriage, censor all speech that they stand against, turn every child into a homosexual, throw away that pesky Constitution and gut our military -- that military that they "loath." Not all. Not most. Some.

Now, the question that comes to my mind is this: were I running for president, would it improve the public weal for me to be making such outlandish statements that are certainly true, but meaningless in the greater scheme of things? More to the point, was it useful for Barack Obama to dwell on the hateful, discontent of that minute "some" you are claiming he was talking about? If that "some" is not most, then what merit does Obama's point have? After all, he could have said that "some Americans are rapists" and have been 100% correct. But where is the good such a point would have done this country and its political wellbeing? Wasn't Obama merely wallowing in class warfare rhetoric and pandering to a clientele that would appreciate a slam against the unwashed masses that they despise?

Can you not admit, Mr. Colmes, that Obama's rhetoric was ill considered and certainly NOT befitting the campaign of a man who claims that he wants a "new tone," "change," and a day of "cooperation" in America?

  • Saying something that happens be true, a truth that is inconvenient and, perhaps, not pretty, does not mean you disdain the people you’re describing.

As a point that is certainly true. The problem here is can we apply this statement to Obama's comments? While that may require interpretation, it is certainly easy to speculate that he did, indeed, feel disdain for those rubes in the Midwest that he was using to gain the support of the extreme lefties before which he was appearing, begging for campaign money and votes.

When you add this incident to the other incidents where he showed disdain for "white" America as well as the many statements his wife and "spiritual advisor," Jeremiah Wright, Jr., have made, we can see a pattern where Obama seems as if he at the very least dislikes, if not disdains, the many millions of Americans in the Midwest from whom he is looking to for support.

And, as I said, if he doesn't disdain them, why would he use them so casually before the lefty crowd in California? At the risk of repeating myself, if he doesn't dislike those Middle Americans, he was certainly willing to casually use their supposed plight to pander to the far left.

None of this sounds very presidential or very "new toneish" to me.

  • Name-calling, ie: “panderer and “liar” proves Michelle Obama right. America can be “downright mean.” And the people posting don’t exactly seem to be sipping the milk of human kindness.

Well, if Mr. Obama is so wounded by "panderer" and "liar," I'd suggest this is the most mild form of political excoriation ever uttered in this Country. I'd ask you to check into some of the comments that the more "civilized," more "tolerant," and more "intelligent" folks on your side of the aisle have called President Bush over the last 9 years (yes, 9 including his run for 2000). Further, I'd suggest that if you think that the comments on Newsbusters are somehow over-the-top or outrageous, than you should check out the Daily Kos once in a while. Your own house could use a sweeping, sir.

  • Obama is not my messiah. I’m Jewish, but not a messianic Jew.

Yes, yes. I most certainly will grant you that. You must give me a little wiggle room for bombast and rhetoric, though, couldn't you? And please don't try to tell us that such hyperbole favoring your positions never exited your lips?

  • If you think I should keep my blog a secret, don’t help me publicize it, but thanks for the link, anyway.

No, I must find myself reversing my initial good-natured jab. I do think your blog should get wider play. After all, the more people who read your work, the more there’ll be that can see you for what you are. That can't be anything but good in anyone's book, right?

  • My full statement is as you quoted: “And just where is he wrong? Pointing out why people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns doesn’t mean you hate or disdain a portion of the population.” The rest is your conjecture, and it’s wrong.

Well, I appreciate your contention that I am wrong. On the other hand, you ill serve Obama to prove that his rhetoric is only aimed at that tiny little some statistic you are so sure he is focusing on. Your elucidation that his points are meaningless to the discussion of where the majority of America stands does not do Obama well. I mean, let's face it. I could say some about anything and be technically correct. But, if that some is so small that it isn't most then what value does it have in the greater debate about the state of our country?

Let’s face reality. While the USA has some problems we still have what amounts statistically to full employment with an unemployment rate at under 6%, we have a standard of living where our poor live in as good a condition as the middle class in most countries (even several European countries), and we still have a strong economy, one that has been roaring with but small dips in success since the 1980s.

So, in the end, that some you and Obama are talking about really don’t have a whole lot to complain about in the greater scheme of things.

Now, were I in the Obama camp I'd be quick to ask you not to be so "helpful" in the future. However, I'd like to thank you for giving us the opportunity to exchange ideas. It was fun.

So, I wish you well, Mr. Colmes. I will check out your TV show soon to see if you are being as civil to your TV guests as you seem to be advocating for here.

What’s good for the goose and all that.

Yours, Warner Todd Huston

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(h/t Alan Colmes by email)

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just one word

Alan Colmes, douche

 

I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist

"The rest is your

"The rest is your conjecture, and it’s wrong."

No Mr. Colmes, you’re the one who is wrong. The statement that "people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns " is nothing BUT conjecture on your part. By stating that you are merely "saying things that happen to be true", you show me that you believe that conjecture wholeheartedly without any real proof as to it’s accuracy.

Deny the Characterization

Colmes is an apologist. The same pattern emerges over and over.  Someone on his side will make a sweeping characterization.  Colmes will miss the point, and say the characterization is true because "some people" are that way.

On the flip side, he will compare the anger  filled rhetoric of Reverend Wright to Reverend Falwell. The religious message aside, Falwell's message message was never one of "anger", pessimism and entitlement.  Once again Colmes misses the point.

 

A very cogent and lucid

Warner, that was a very cogent and lucid response. Well done.

Bill Buckley must be smiling down upon you and having a good time at what his handiwork has wrought.

 

Start each day with a smile, then get it over with. - W.C. Fields

kevcad,

That was an awfully nice thing to say, thank you. I wish I had met Mr. Buckley. I missed him by a single year, though. I got involved with the MRC a little too late to have had the privilege.

End of the elections

I am looking foward to the end of the elections not only because it will mean the removal of the fool who currently sits in the white house but because it will mean an end to the constant bitching between the two main political factions.

 

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it will mean an end to

it will mean an end to the constant bitching between the two main political factions.

You want a one party state? That sounds uh-- kinda communistic to me. How exactly do you see this end of "bitching" occuring?

If you mean that leftists and liberals admit they are wrong in their suppport of reactionary and collectivist socialism... and turn to conservatism, then I agree. Go for it.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Orro, that's what politics

Orro, that's what politics is about...arguing over what to do. Not bitching, arguing. Everyone says they want an end to the arguing, but what they mean is they want everyone to agree with them. They also say they want the politicians to do what is best for the country. But they have differing ideas about what is best. That's why we have political parties.

If you don't like the arguing, I offer you the advice I'm always given when I complain about the disgusting tone of network TV sitcoms and dramas: Change the channel. I do that even for political shows a lot of times.

mb -- it's a weird thing..

mb -- it's a weird thing.. the moment people agree I'm right and they are wrong... I STOP ARGUING WITH THEM!

Let the bitching end!

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Which "fool" will you support?

If you feel there is a "fool" in the
white house now, I wonder which fool you are going to support come November.
The "fool" in the white house has not only kept this country safe in
the six+ years since 9-11, but beaten back the spread of Islamic extremism
throughout the world. He has also shepherded over an economy that was rocked by
that event and the policies of his predecessor with timely tax cuts that
invigorated and helped it expand. The "fool" you are talking about
must be in the mirror.

Thank you, old cro!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Defending this great man is so rare, espcially among the RINOS. The man has held up against the  real "fools" in the world and stood tall against all kinds of tryanny, both inside and outside America. God Bless President Bush! (And God help us if we get another weak-kneed lefty in next time).

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Who's the real fool?

"the removal of the fool who currently sits in the white house"

If you're referring to the President, he can't be much of a fool if he "sits in" the White House (A.K.A. elected as President) now, can he? I've known many a fool, like yourself, in my time and I can guarantee you that none of them have been, or ever will be, elected to the presidency. You may think many a bad thought about President Bush, but you can be sure of one thing, he’s not a "fool."

"constant bitching between the two main political factions"

Would that be the Clinton and Obama factions of the Democratic Party?

Not too bright, are you Orro?

"...because it will mean the removal of the fool who currently sits in the white house..." 

Allow me to help:  just because you woke up from a blow to the head suffered some years ago and happened upon news items featuring Jimmy Carter, let me assure you - 

That drooling geriatric old FOOL is not the president. 

We happen to have a strong man of principle in the White House at this time.  A gentleman by the name of President George W. Bush.  

A great man and the right man for the job at the right time. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Don't bet on it!

The socialist, class-envy and race-baiting leftists BHO and HRC and their supporters on the LEFT will never quit the bitching!  They have but one weapon and that's the VICTIM role for their supporters.  Wonder why the "victims" in New Orleans are still sitting on their asses waiting for "someone" to come build them another house?  They were living is government provided housing, eating government funded food and spending govenment funded welfare chaecks.  Sure makes for a class of people who wouldn't even have enough ambition to get out of the way of an approching hurricane!  Guess they needed the Government provided buses for that as well.  too bad their beloved mayor and Govenor let them down!

At the personal level I feel sorry for these folks.  They deserve so much more from their public servants.  At the Government level I feel nothing but contempt for the politicians who have victimized an entire generation and are doing nothing but increasing the number of people destined to become the vicitm class in America!

Orro = naive idiot. There

Orro = naive idiot. There has never been a time in the history of the US, or any other nation where the political factions were not biting at each other. The party in power has always been besieged by the party out of power.

Want to see a real fool in the WH? Elect a democrat.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

bass -- sounds like a Broken

bass -- sounds like a Broken Orro.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack, me thinks Orro is a

Jack, me thinks Orro is a student in one of our Ivy League collages. Likes to talk about things they know nothing about.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Is an "Ivy League collage"

Is an "Ivy League collage" where you cut pictures out of the eight schools' class books and paste them together in an "artsy" fashion?

Neo-marxist economic determinism

Rev. Wright has taught comrade Obama well.

The helpless small town folk across America are all victims of class warfare and corporate economic oppression, and their feelings of helplessness have forced them over the edge into a gun totting, bible thumping frenzy of bigotry and intolerance.

If only Nissan and Toyota would build more auto-plants the poor hicks might just lift their knuckles off the ground and become good secular progressives.

Very nice, Comes is a funny

Very nice, Comes is a funny guy. This Obama quote has liberals very angry at anyone who mentions it. Its a pretty black and white (maybe the wrong words to use) statement. As a man of strong religious convictions its pretty obvious Obama is only proud of his faith when he needs there vote

 

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks
and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and
wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for
our attackers"

What If?


what if obama were "Saying something that happens be true, a truth that is inconvenient
and, perhaps, not pretty" about his own race? It would probably be unnecisary and provacative right? But somehow its not ok when the tables are turned. This is just another show of liberal elitism from Obama, and it is why he wont win the general election.

When you try to pander to two different groups who hate each other, its a tough act to keep up.

Yo, Alan

Not only was I not-unkind to you with the streaking comment, in my sigfile remains one easy way to infuriate conservatives, especially when they're making race-accusations. All ya gotta do is tell the politically-incorrect truth about both the drug war's roots & its present racial reality (see links). Of course, it's a truth that's inconvenient, so it's definitely not pretty for the vast majority of lefties like you, either. But it's the truth, as if present large-scale social truth matters as much as old sermon/newsletter "truth" these days when it comes to race & the media...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

 Colmes is a whinning

 Colmes is a whinning sniveler. 

If I may, I'd like to add

If I may, I'd like to add one more "fisking" point:

Colmes takes great pains to clarify:

There are some people who “cling” to guns and religion. Not all. Not most. Some.

and

Pointing out why people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns

However, Obama did NOT say "some" people. Speaking about small towns where jobs have left. He said: “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them ”

Nor did he say "sometimes some of them cling to guns or religion...etc" He said they do.

Also: (emphasis added)

Name-calling, ie: “panderer and “liar” proves Michelle Obama right. America can be “downright mean.

She didn't say "can be"....she said "Americans are downright mean."

So, while Colmes is claiming that what Obama and his wife said is true, he is misrepresenting what they said.

If Mr. Colmes is going to be pick nits about the wording of the Newsbusters posting, he should be held to the same standard.

What if...

Obama was using people's legal and constitutional right and their faith in their religion to denegrate them and imply that they were somhow inferior because of it? And what if Mr. Colmes came to his defense and added words that Obama did not utter in order to make it seem less offensive then it was.

I really believe that the divide between liberals and conservatives stems from an understanding of religion and what that means to the individual. While most liberals that I've met see religion as something that you do occassionally and a belief system that is currently held, they feel that life on this planet is the most important thing there is and that it's quality is paramount. Most conservatives I know view religion as something that you are and all of your actions and beliefs flow from it. Therefore your life on this planet is a temporary condition and whether it is good, terrible or great, it is not as important as where you will spend the rest of eternity.

To use a trte metaphore...Liberals are concerned with making the train station as nice as possible and insuring that all the travelers have enough money for lunch, while conservatives are just waiting for the train and feel that the bothers should be kept to a minimum.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

c5, I completely agree with

c5, I completely agree with your analysis of conservative relgion. Liberals, IMO, seem to want to define themselves as "spiritual" rather than "religious"...whatever that means. And each defines it according to his own standard.

 

Mr Huston

"I DO blog on one of the most visited conservative sites on the Internet..."

  Excuse me mister, but just because you "expose media bias" does not automagically mean you are conservative, you know, liberals can see bias too..... AH GOTCHA! Love the Newsbusters!

  Does Alan realize he is out of his medium. This ain't video where things have to keep moving. You have lots of time to pore over every word in print and deliver the smackdown.

every Alan interview ever:

Alan: question

smart possibly conservative person: smart well though out reply.

Alan: insaneOUTRAGEOUSpassiveaggressivestatementboomnextquestion.

smart possibly conservative person: wha? did you just.. wha?

 

To Orro

Sorry, but if you think any of the three remaining candidates would make a better president than GWB, you are sadly mistaken.  Any one of these individuals cannot hold a candle to President Bush, and I do not even agree with much of what Bush has done.  Further, if you think that having another president in the WH is going to end partisan bickering, you are downright naive to the core.  Political sniping did not originate with the inauguration of GWB and it certainly is not going to end there, not unless Democrats get their way entirely.  We've been hearing for 7.5 years that "dissent is good" for our democracy.  Is it suddenly going to be a bad thing if a liberal holds the WH and Dems control Congress?

 

LOL Alan. Trying to say

LOL Alan. Trying to say that your side doesn't resort to offensive name calling. Have you ever looked at Kos once in a while? Case closed.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Some MUST be ALL!

I think you miss the "point" of these leftist! 

There can be no SOME in our econonmy.  We ALL must have the same outcome.  There is  no allowing for SOME to be RICH and SOME to be POOR.  All must be EQUAL.

EQUALITY is the holy grail of the socialist class!  And since there's no way for all to be RICH, then it's up to the government to make us ALL Equal.  That is all will be equally provided for by the STATE and the only elitists will be those who RULE from above! 

Liberals Generalize

"Name-calling, ie: “panderer and “liar” proves Michelle Obama right. America can be “downright mean.” And the people posting don’t exactly seem to be sipping the milk of human kindness."

Wow what a generalization.  How do you get from one blogger using those words to America being downright mean?  That's a major leap in logic.

And Michelle Obama didn't

And Michelle Obama didn't say America can be downright mean. She said it IS.

I Think

That Mr. Comes is right.

Before Obama came to town and talked to us about change I was very bitter. At church the snake dun bit me and my gun jammed when I'us goin' to shoot dat turkey through the winda. That would plum make any man bitter. Now I don't know about what he was saying about them immagrents.....I wants more of them here so I can gets people to clean my house and mow my lawn at slave labor costs.

 

 

What's wrong with being

What's wrong with being downright mean?

 It's high time conservatives and libertarians in this country got downright mean and took our country back. We've been intimidated by the Church of Political Correctness and it's time we put a stop to this and acted like Americans, not like Russian subjects.

When a public official wants to take away my rights and make me an economic slave, I get downright mean.

When elected Congressmen/women continually call my President (whom I voted for) every name in the book and then preach tolerance, I get downright mean.

When a public official and that official's wife continually call me a racist for objecting to our country being overrun by another nation, I get downright mean.

We still have the First Amendment. I can say what I want and if they don't like it, tough crap. And since I still am protected by the 2nd Amendment (for now), what are ya gonna do about it?

AMEN!  "Cry havoc and

AMEN! 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Amen again!! "Never

Amen again!!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Colmes is a weenie

"Saying something that happens be true, a truth that is inconvenient and, perhaps, not pretty, does not mean you disdain the people you’re describing."

Typical bogus liberal arguing.  Set up an obviously true statement, but one that doesn't apply to the subject matter at hand.

This twit is basically saying that Rev. Wright's hate against whitey is correct. 

Are these Libs so afraid of being discredited by one bad actor that they will defend anyone and anything?

What a joke!

At the risk of being the

At the risk of being the skunk at the picnic, I'd like to say that I don't find Alan Colmes that outrageous. On H&C he most often comes off as the token liberal. Hannity seems to get more face time. However, I think that Colmes' contributions do fairly represent the spectrum of liberal thought. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't want a media that shuts down the views of the opposition.  But that's just my own personal observation. I'm not familiar with Colmes outside H&C and don't listen to his radio show. It really shouldn't matter. For me, when it comes to political discourse, it's about the content. If Alan Colmes were running for political office, I'd gladly take the gloves off. But he's not.

P.S. I did my duty for NB and posted a comment on Colmes' blog. Note that I wasn't ashamed to use my NB user name. ;)

 

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Would it be fair to say

Would it be fair to say that both Obama and Colmes represent most of the liberal POV?  If so, then calling middle America xenophobic because of opposing illegal immigration is elitist and condensending, neither plays well with them. 

So Colmes, keep up the good work, keep telling America they're xenophobic because everytime you do, it reminds everyone how out of touch you are with the needs of the poor in the US.  You can't be in favor of illegals and the poor at once as illegals depress the wages and take jobs from the poor.  Pick one, we xenophobes have picked the poor to support. 

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

dscott: I agree with you on

dscott: I agree with you on the topic of how best to increase opportunities for the poor in our country.

However, I don't see Alan Colmes as being in the same liberal camp as Obama. In fact, I like the fact that Colmes often provides perspective in the face of opinions that are on the lunatic fringe of the right wing. Often Hannity seems willing to support just about any opinion that flies in the face of liberalism, no matter how outrageous. Colmes does us all a favor when he tamps down the rhetoric of the far right.

This is not to say that I think he's right in regard to this speech in particular. I think he's merely expressing how the true-believers see things. I can't really say that I think this proves that this is what he personally believes. After all, it's his job to provide an opposing point of view. But as I said, I don't really know much about Alan Colmes overall. So maybe my assessment appears naive. ??????

 

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I think it's wrong to

I think it's wrong to continue to frame Obama's statement as being applied to ALL of the Midwest, ALL people in small towns.

I think it's wrong to call

I think it's wrong to call any American a Xenophobe when poor people's jobs have been taken and then expect the rest of us to pay the $500 billion annual bill for a policy failure advocated by Obama and Clinton and previously by McCain and it galls me to say Bush. 

I can only say at least ICE and others have started to make good on enforcing the Law under the Bush Admin.  Left to Obama and Clinton nothing would be done other than raising our taxes to maintain the status quo.  McCain is beginning to see the light on the illegal issue, so he says, but then the light sometimes at the end of the tunnel is an on rushing train.

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

I assume you're equally

I assume you're equally angry with the businesses that continue to hire illegal immigrants?

Absolutely, they should be

Absolutely, they should be fined if they knew the person they were hiring was illegal, and includes the farmers as well. 

Now I will add a caveat, given the current legal environment where employers find out afterwards they were given a false SS number or name should not be penalized for firing said person, the current system allows an illegal to sue the employer for doing so, this is absurd.  In this case we need to fire the judges making these absurd decisions.  Now if I understand it, there is website for SSN verification, if that is so, then there is no excuse for hiring an illegal.  The government grants HB1 work permits on an as needed basis. 

Let me go one step further, given that there are high unemployment locales within certain states, there is no reason why employers shouldn't advertise out of state if they are hard up for workers.  If Mexicans and others south of the border can travel a 1000 miles for a low paying less than minimum wage job, then a poor person should relocate out of a high unemployment area to get ahead of the competition.  Arizona is the place where you ought to be, go West young man, go West!  (Unless you're in CA, then go East)  It's time for people to do things like when their parents first came here, vote with their feet, it's the American way!

 Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008  Long Live the Empire!  Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.

It doesn't matter, balboa.

It doesn't matter, balboa. We may each be speaking up for our particular Midwestern small towns, but we understand the sort of stereotype that Obama sees. You'll note that you've read very similar opinions from a good number of people here. That means that it doesn't matter if he was talking about some of us or all of us. We represent a demographic that doesn't appreciate the way he characterizes the people he says he wants to reach out to in places like PA - sad, bitter little people who can only find comfort in the fact that they still have their guns and their religion and who mistrust "outsiders" simply because they're "different". What a bunch of high-horse pucky.

Obama sees everyone through a lens crafted by people like Jeremiah Wright. People who are having a hard time are bitter, blame the government, and are likely to mistrust those who are different. And he thinks that they need his sympathy and his liberal solutions. That the current government is solely responsible for their troubles and solely responsible to fix them. All they have left to "defend" themselves from total despair is their religious faith and the knowledge that at least the government can't take away their guns. Who could blame them if they turn to armed robbery and murder in order to even the score.

Of course, the gun thing could well change if Obama has anything to say about it.

 

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I think it's wrong to


I think it's wrong to continue to frame Obama's statement as being applied to ALL of the Midwest, ALL people in small towns.
-balboa

I don't. He was clearly generalizing...using the people in the small Penn. towns as an example of wider "bitterness."

Out of his own mouth: In his explanation, he said

there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in
towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois who are bitter.

How many midwest states and towns does he have to mention before you will consider it a generalization?

Point, counter-point, reply, counterpoint, and ???

I am able to get this far with liberals some of the time, but not much further.    1. Liberal says something false, stupid or misleading      2. Conservative points out that what the liberal said was false stupid or misleading.     3. Liberal replies and defends himself      4. Conservative points out the logical flaws, the factual flaws, or a flaw in the liberal's reasoning.

     5. Liberal is not heard from again or resorts to various pathetic maneuvers such as ad hominums,  "I am not going to waste my time ..."  "I guess we will just have to agree to disagree." and the ever popular Hitler comparisons.

  What is sad, is that it is just at this time when there could be a break through for either party, if the liberal has the facts, has the logic, on his side; this is the point he can really expose or put the conservative in their place.  If the liberal can not come back, can not counter the conservatives rebuttal, then maybe the liberal would benefit by re-examining some of his beliefs.

 

      I don't know about others, but for me, it is always the liberal who short circuits the debate; who doesn't counter my counter, I am always left waiting to hear from them where my logic, reasoning or evidence is faulty and they always disappoint.    If the Conservative position were so stupid and misinformed you would think liberals could easily demolish the conservatives argument  and would want to continue the debate.     I wonder for example why when Ann Coulter speaks at prestigious University, the liberal faculty don't plan ahead for her visit, review her books and op-ed pieces; then attend her lecture and confront her with the facts, engage her in debate, make a fool of her in front of all the young Republicans.          Instead of their best professors, they send a bunch of undergraduates to yell the f word at her.

 

People make decisions based

People make decisions based on emotion and then justify them with reason. If you poke holes in their reason they will cling to their beliefs based on emotion.

Liberalism is emotion based. You will never get someone to see their incorrectness as long as they are a liberal. They will have to see it for themselves. It's very much like the Matrix. Most liberals just take the blue pill because they don't want to know the truth.

H & C

H & C = Hannity and the Communist

Watch Colmes Miss the Point

Colmes uses the word 'sometimes' when Obama did not. Colmes thinks inductively and it shows up in every devil's advocate position he takes. He's a nice guy, but a total waste as the comedy relief on their TV show. He's so predictable!

 

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WTH... Excellent job with

WTH...

Excellent job with the ol' Colmester....

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