And now to add to the ever-lengthening list of Obamessiah apologists comes TV and Radio talker Alan Colmes to say that Barack Obama is right, Middle America IS filled with racist, overly religious, gun-nuts.
On his LiberalLand blog (the formerly secret blog he was hiding from the greater world), Sean Hannity's co-host said the following:
And just where is he wrong? Pointing out why people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns doesn’t mean you hate or disdain a portion of the population.
First of all people do not "cling" to guns and religion because of what a government does or does not do. It is especially demeaning to people's religious sentiment to say that government is their reason for "clinging" to their religion. And secondly, Obama did not mean to say that people were merely frustrated. He was clearly trying to paint Middle America as racist, gun-nuts that were too stupid to understand what was going on around them.
It is also impossible, Mr. Colmes, not to see that he was singling out a "portion of the population" when he was quite specific in his target. It is also telling that he was speaking before some elite, West Coast liberals, too.
You have quite a dilemma, Mr. Colmes. If Barack really doesn't feel disdain for all those Middle Americans like you say, then he was pandering and lying to those West Coast lefties before whom he was appearing.
So, your only choices by which to assess Mr. Obama's remarks, Mr. Colmes, are two. Number one he really disdains Middle America. Number two, he doesn't and was just lying to the West Coasters. So he either hates a large segment of the country, or he is a panderer and liar.
Neither choice shows your messiah in a very good light, Mr. Colmes.
No wonder you tried to keep your blog a secret. Were I you, I would have too.
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Why even waste bandwidth
April 12, 2008 - 23:31 ET by GothampcWhy even waste bandwidth with this story? Look up moron in the dictionary and you will find a picture of Alan Colmes. He is the classic example of a liberal: doesn't use logic in a debate, makes up his own facts, viciously attacks his opponents and has a face that only his mother could love.
Hey...
April 12, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Warner Todd HustonHey, if it were up to me, we wouldn't pay attention to ANY liberals and neither would any other American. However, they are out there spewing their lies, so we have to call them on it!
Lies & Hairspray
April 12, 2008 - 23:49 ET by GothampcOh I understand, but with Alan Colmes it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Lies to Alan Colmes are like hairspray to John Edwards.
LOL
April 12, 2008 - 23:53 ET by Warner Todd HustonOr as common as Rosie eating a bucket of fried chicken by herself?
Warner, I apologize
April 13, 2008 - 06:10 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltfor quoting another blog's reader, but this is perfect: "Personally, I think that you go into some of these left-wing blogs, and like a lot of self-proclaimed “liberal” enclaves, they perceive that their true died-in-the-wool leftist candidates have been gone now since 1968 and nobody has replaced them. They saw huge losses in the 80’s, and then later with Kerry and Gore… so it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to environmentalism or Marxist dogma or antipathy to people who aren’t like them–anti-religious sentiment, perhaps–as a way to explain their frustrations. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that they latch on to some vague, ethereal concept of “change” to give purpose to their lives." Great, huh?
Penn resident
April 13, 2008 - 08:56 ET by docbBitter and Angry in Rural Pennsylvania: Obama's Reality vs. Hillary's Fantasy
Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:47:47 PM PDT
Maybe there aren't many Bubbas driving around in pickup trucks with the classic bumper sticker "God, Guns and Guts Made America Free" where Obama's detractors live, but here in rural Pennsylvania that line may as well replace "e pluribus unum" as the motto on the national currency.
I live in western Pennsylvania, and I can tell you, people here are bitter and angry. Poverty is prevalent. People hunt squirrels and eat them, along with racoon stew. People also hunt deer here, not for sport, but so they can put meat in their freezer so they can feed their families. They cut wood in the forests and heat their homes with wood stoves because they can't afford to pay the gas bill. I know a guy who goes to old landfills to dig up old milk and beer bottles to sell on eBay. He uses the proceeds to buy clothes for his family at the Salvation Army (and to pay for his dial-up connection).
Racism and prejudice are ever-present here. A friend of mine is part-owner of bar in a small rural town south of where I live. I meet up with him there occasionally and watch as down-and-out people come in with their disability and welfare check money and drink it away. It's a pretty depressing place, but it does serve as the social center for a town that has seen its few industries shut down and the local people's jobs eliminated or shipped off elsewhere.
I hear the usual rants there, that it's all the fault of gays and minorities and immigrants (although those aren't the terms used, but rather the usual, virulent slurs). A black man walked in the last time I was there, and a guy near me at the bar muttered in a not-so-quiet way, "What's he think he's doing in here?" When I brought up the presidential race and Obama with another man at the bar, his response was, "there ain't no way America is ever going to vote for a black guy." Later on my bar-owner friend told me about his experience talking about Obama with another woman at the bar, and her angry response was that "it's because of half-breed n*****s like him that America is in such bad shape today."
Prejudice, racism and fear do run rampant in areas like this. People are poor. They are in bad health, overweight from a deep-fried diet, and toothless from the lack of dental care. They are unemployed. They are uneducated. They do cling to their hunting rifles and to their religious beliefs. For many, it is about all that they have. The towns around here are full of decaying, boarded up buildings. People live in rundown old trailers with abandoned cars in the front yard. I have seen people using an old car as a stable, with their goat tied to and living in it. I could drive you by a least three old houses that have Conderate flags in the windows.
So go ahead and discount Obama's talk of how bitter and angry that some of the people of rural Pennsylvania are. Call him elitist for taking the time to pass through areas such as this to listen to what the people have to say, and to then relate what he has heard to people in more prosperous parts of the country when he is asked about it. I have lived in San Francisco, and let me tell you, there is a marked difference between the general attitude there and the attitude here in the "rust belt". Go ahead and dismiss everything that Obama said as political posturing. Let Hillary and McCain "pick him apart" and parse his words. But please keep in mind that when Obama said:
"it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
that he is 100% accurate in his assessment.
I know, because I live here, my family and my friends' families have lived here for generations, and we see it every day, all around this region. There is a very fine line between poverty and prosperity here, where making above $20,000 a year puts you in the realm of the "haves", but also knowing that you're one contract termination away from joining the ranks of the "have-nots".
I come from a family of dairy farmers. I know what it's like to spend up to 12-16 hours a day sitting on a tractor for three dollars an hour, which I did through high school and every summer until I was fortunate enough to head off to college. Many of my friends were also fortunate and went to school, and then relocated to other parts of the country. Some of us were able to come back under better circumstances, but the large majority of people here are not as fortunate.
Thirty years worth of the right wing dismantling our public education system has taken its toll. Thirty years worth of mismanagement of the economy, of shutting down factories and shipping jobs out of the country, of subsidizing corporate farms and taxing family farms out of business, has taken its toll.
Yes, people are angry, and bitter, but Obama never said that they aren't resilient, opitmistic or hard-working. Those are Hillary and McCain's twisted words, and for them to stand up and suggest that rural Pennsylvanians aren't fed up with the way things are, only reveals how out of touch they really are with at least this part of the country.
Of course, all McCain has to do is suggest to poor rural folk that the party of gun-control, gay marriage, and NAFTA is going to take away what little they have left, and rural conservatives will vote for him, just as they did for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. As for Hillary, the more she "takes apart" Obama's message, the more she does the GOP's work for free. If Hillary can't see that the people of rural Pennsylvania are bitter, and angry, and mad as hell about the way things are, then she needs to step down from that one hundred million dollar platform of hers and take a real look around.
In western Pennsylvania I hear two things: the "God, Guns and Guts" crowd see John McCain as the heir-apparent to the mantle of rural conservative values; and the people who hope for some kind of change see Barack Obama as the person who understands the situation that we are in, and maybe is the one who can lead us in a new direction. What I don't hear is anyone talking about whatever and whomever it is that Hillary claims to stand for.
In the end, I think this is all a "lost in translation" much ado about nothing episode.
Going back to Obama's statement, and keeping in mind that he was speaking to a specific group of supporters in San Francsico, and keeping in mind that he was discussing a variety of "talking points" in the previous paragraph, I think that it is the absence of the word "issue" in this particular portion of his response to one of the attendee's questions that is lost in translation from the actual event to the transcript spun in the media.
So let's break it down:
"'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.
Obama is offering: - closing tax loopholes - roll back taxes for the top 1 percent - tax breaks to the middle class - health care for every American
But:
"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them."
"So it's not surprising then that they get bitter" and "As a way to explain their frustrations...they cling to" issues that focus on: - guns - religion - antipathy to people who aren't like them - anti-immigrant sentiment - anti-trade sentiment
It's the usual laundry list of GOP hot-button talking points.
What Obama was doing was contrasting his talking points, with the tradtional GOP talking points that he has to contend with if he is going to break through and reach these tradtional blue-collar voters.
I can't imagine that anyone who was in the room with Obama misunderstood this. It's only when the transcript is removed from the context in which the information was delivered that the MSM begins to spin it into something that it's not.
America
April 13, 2008 - 10:58 ET by iveseenitalldocb:
These parts of Pennsylvania sound like parts of Europe before the Declaration of Independence in America offered an alternative -- belief in God and personal achievemnet based on freedom from oppressive government. Places like Russia in 1917 offered a "change" (Communism) for most people in the same condition. It didn't work. Your assesment of the conditions in Pennsylvania may be accurate; but Obama's "solutions" to the problems are misguided at best. Furthermore, the original leaders in America were humbled by their responsibilities; people like Obama and other elitist "liberals" are not. They believe they have the answer in collectivism.They don't.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
→ Thanks, docb
April 13, 2008 - 10:20 ET by Cool ArrowI know if the major local mfg plant were to close down here I'd be faced with early retirement or relocation.
It's sad that Pennsylvania, home of America's very first successful oil drilling, does not allow its citizens to drive cars to areas of the country where jobs exist.
So many people proudly say "my grandparents came here from XXXX to find a better life. But now these people can't find the gumption to go looking elsewhere when the mine closes down.
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It's sad that Pennsylvania,
April 13, 2008 - 11:04 ET by Roger the ShrubberIt's sad that Pennsylvania, home of America's very first successful oil drilling, does not allow its citizens to drive cars to areas of the country where jobs exist.
Huh?
→ Sorry Rog
April 13, 2008 - 11:44 ET by Cool ArrowDidn't realize the sarcasm needed explaining.
As I said, If my job evaporated today, I'd have to early retire or look elsewhere.
I see no sense staying in a location that does not offer opportunity.
Shall we wallow at the river?
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once again we see the
April 13, 2008 - 15:18 ET by red_dragon311once again we see the emotions taking hold here.
if my job went away, I would either
A: look for a new job localy
B: Look for a job that is no more 1 hour drive from my house ( I do that right now)
C: pack up and move to where there are jobs.
"I see no sense staying in a location that does not offer opportunity. "
PLEASE the opportunity to bitch and moan about what a horrible hand you were dealt. The opportunity to blame everyone from God to your dog. The opportunity to suck off the teet of the gov't so you don't have to work
there's opportunity all over the place
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Cool
April 13, 2008 - 23:33 ET by RESTLESS 1Kinda reminds of the Sam Kinnison line, roughly, that we could fix world hunger if the starving people would "GO WHERE THE F@#KING FOOD IS!!!!". Saw that bit again recently. Hilarious.
Poland
April 13, 2008 - 11:23 ET by iveseenitallFunny. Many Poles live in PA. We just ran into a very old lady who had come here some years ago from Poland. She is now living in a small, but clean and comfortable, trailer park in Florida. She told my wife and me what life was like under the communists. She and her family and friends could do nothing without govenment permission. Achievers like doctors and lawyers lived in hovels. Personal freedom didn't exist. As she spoke her brand of broken English, her face became red at the thought of what life had been like for her. "Many Americans don't appreciate how lucky they are", she said with a tear in her eye. "I live simply, but with freedom. Freedom is so precious to me. God bless America", she said. Why should anyone follow the likes of Obama, Wright et.al.? America is envy of the world for a reason. Communism is the enemy of the people. Big government is the enemy of America. You are wrong, Barry and friends. May the likes of you never become President of the United States!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
iveseenit: Good story. I'd
April 13, 2008 - 11:24 ET by QueenMumiveseenit: Good story. I'd like to see the MsM interview more folks like this lady, instead of the fake whiners who want the government to take care of them.
I grew up in an ethnic community of Eastern European immigrants, many of whom had fled during times of war and Communist rule. I never once heard anyone complain about what they had or didn't have. They were happy to have the freedom to pursue their own ideal of happiness, worked hard, and were more than satisfied with the fruits of their labors; and there was much joy in the community. We celebrated everything - births, baptisms, First Communions, Confirmations, marriages, harvest times. In other words, the community was grateful for the blessings of life in America.
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I am still not sure what you are talking about
April 13, 2008 - 12:10 ET by kdizzydazeBut if it's that we need to have a real dialogue, then let the debates between Barry and McCain begin.
By the way, isn't John Murtha (abscam?!?!) a rep from PA? Western PA, in fact?
docb:I wondered why you
April 13, 2008 - 12:41 ET by stratmandocb:
I wondered why you did not include a link to the opinion piece you posted. Was it naivety, ignorance or forethought?
You have a pattern of posting entire articles ripped from Liberal websites without accreditation such as http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/20/moving-obamas-pastor-nbc-focuses-mccain-mistake#comment-572846 which you did not attribute to The Nation, a Liberal magazine part owned and edited by the Liberal Katrina vanden Heuvel. Another unattributed post (you copy-pasted the author but not the link) http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2008/03/15/can-obama-take-pressure#comment-569459 can be traced back to Huffington Post and penned by the Leftist John K. Wilson.
I get the sense that you fail to post a link to the original article because you think that fellow NB's knowing the actual author or website of derivation may prevent your message from being read and/or accepted. That may be true. But you are disingenuous in your presentation, and that ultimately will earn you marginalization.
This current posting of yours was ripped, unattributed again, from DKos. There is a single Google hit. It is one person's opinion/observation. And it is born of a Liberal/Leftist website that encourages radical mobilization and societal disruption based upon capricious emotions and the feelgood flimflam of "Progressive" thought, itself a masquerade for Socialism at best, Communism at worst. In toto, there is no way to guage the validity of this article as the source is an unknown and the website's reputation for colorful and unqualified rhetoric.
Please post a link to the original article in the future and let the chips fall as they may.
RRAM Tough!
Good catch, stratman. I
April 13, 2008 - 16:20 ET by Indiana JoeGood catch, stratman. I thought it sounded like a "field reporter" piece. And was wondering about the date/time stamp. Also wondered why so much of it didn't ring true. I don't know much about dairy farming, but I can't imagine why a dairy farmer would need to spend 16 hours a day on a tractor. The whole thing smells.
I'm (really!) originally from Western Pennsylvania and still have some family there. Yeah, it's a lot of little towns. Yeah, a lot of the mill jobs have gone away. And some people hunt for sustenance, because their daddys did, and their daddys before that. To use a not-too-polite term, they are "hillbillys" (and proud of it, I might add) who have been living on short rations for generations. Long, long before BHO's daddy met his momma. We've all heard of Appalachian poverty, right? Well, there you go. They are, by and large, proud of their independence. But there are plenty of plain old middle-class folks there too. The majority, by far.
I'm just curious about how many people have gone from a middle-class lifestyle to living on "raccoon stew" in the last... oh... call it 10 years or so. Bet it's not many. Maybe even... none?
It's obviously a load of tripe. And c&p'd from DKos <rolls eyes>? Without attribution? That's a really pathetic attempt at defending BHO's condescending elitism.
Yeah. I thought this was a
April 13, 2008 - 16:37 ET by QueenMumYeah. I thought this was a bit off:
"I come from a family of dairy farmers. I know what it's like to spend up to 12-16 hours a day sitting on a tractor for three dollars an hour, which I did through high school and every summer until I was fortunate enough to head off to college."
1. I doubt that any farmer of any sort sits on a tractor as much as 16 hours a day. There are lots of other chores that need to be done. If you get to ride around on a tractor all day, I'd say you have one of the easier jobs. On a dairy farm, caring for the cows and milking take up most of the days work.
2. On family farm, it wouldn't be expected that a family member be paid for their contributions. If they were, $3/hour would be a reasonable amount for a family member to expect for their own personal expenses.
3. So, the "writer" did get to finish high school and go on to college. What's the beef?
Good catch, stratman.
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Thank you Queen Mum,
April 13, 2008 - 22:03 ET by stratmanThank you Queen Mum, Indiana Joe, JWF and Roger. Some things get under my skin and this was one of them.
Great catches about the farming inconsistencies. As a city boy I don't know s**t from shinola about farming. But I do know that if 'it' hits the fan, it's going to be small town people that will be able to fend for themselves more easily than their city counterparts, and, they will be called upon once again to save the keisters of us city folk with their farming, mining and manufacturing skills and can-do spirit.
Like it is said about Texas, Don't Mess With Small Town People!
With every passing week, Obama slips and shows us he understands less and less what America truly is about: Invade Allies (Pakistan), Tea Time With Dictators, support Of Bigots (Pastor Wright) and Domestic Terrorists (former Underground members Ayers and Dohrne), the most Liberal record in the Senate, decrying NAFTA while covertly expressing otherwise to the Canadians, claiming to not take Big Oil money (since it's illegal anyways) but gladly accepts tens of thousands of dollars from individual Big Oil executives, and now the base slam against Penn. small town people in order to pander to wealthy San Franciscoans (is that the correct moniker, Noel?).
While his wealthy elite, effete, newfound "friends" on the Coasts shower him with seductive praise, Obama denigrates the backbone of America, small town people, whom he will need if he expects the presidency. At the rate he's going, with six months left until the election, Obama will join the ranks of the never-was but could-have-been losers like Kerry and Gore.
(Hint to Obama - you're just the latest useful fool for the likes of George Soros and friends. Pay attention to the Hill and Bill show. That's you one day when you're no longer needed by your new "friends".)
Please keep talking Obama. It's the best thing you could do for America.
RRAM Tough!
God, I heart stratman!
April 13, 2008 - 19:11 ET by JWFNot only was docb's post a bunch of lies. It was a bunch of second hand lies. Thanks for bustin' him.
Not alone?
April 13, 2008 - 19:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo, Leon isn't the only tool who copies Leftard talking points without attribution?
So, explain this to me
April 13, 2008 - 15:59 ET by QueenMumSo, explain this to me docb:
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them."
"the jobs have been gone now for 25 years"? And you still have folks who are out of work waiting for someone to bring them back?
I live near one of these towns in Ohio. To be honest, the constant whining and complaining from people who are doing nothing to expand their job horizons is getting old. They expect the mayor to attract new business to the area without being willing to make concessions re: such things as tax abatement, restrictive zoning, or development of existing lands. In the meantime, the community continues to decline and becomes less and less attractive as a place to live and do business. These so-called "down trodden" workers just want everything to be the way it was. And they're not about to do what it takes to move on. Better to make a career out of blaming corporate America, the mayor, and the current administration in Washington and hope from some Dem to wave their magic wand and make their old jobs reappear.
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Convoluted Rant
April 14, 2008 - 09:02 ET by reasonsjester"Thirty years worth of the right wing dismantling our public education system has taken its toll. Thirty years worth of mismanagment of the economy, of shutting down factories and shipping jobs out of the country, of subsidizing corporate farms and taxing family farms out of business, has taken its toll."
I know that rebutting such a tyrade is the equivalent of pissing into a class five hurricane (since leftist commiseration is never about taking responsibility, it is based on some primitive feeling of "sharing responsibility") - but here goes.
(1) There is NO, and I mean NO, connection between spending money on education and academic performance. There are dozens of studies to confirm this, but the evidence is not paraded around by the DOE. What does matter for education is parents who care, kids who behave at school (or at home), and a regiment based on performance and substantive academic topics - not reading books like"Billy Has Two Daddies" and class lessons like how to put a condom on a banana.
(2) If you are too blind to see that the greatest threat to the economy is leftist interventionism and government expansion, then, well, God help us all. The fact that the rust belt continues to rust is not the fault of the U.S. government, or Republicans in particular, it is a failure to adapt. And adaptation, my friend, is the law of the Serengeti plain. Surviving in this world may be facilitated by the government for a while; but prospering has always been the result of human initiative and creativity. As such, global competition in previous times was a spur to work harder and innovate; not point fingers and blame others for industry shortcomings.
If one wants to look at mismanagement of the economy, it is the Democrats who are the main culprits, though big government Republicans, who mimic Democrats, are also repeat offenders. Growing government, backed by increases in the money supply, is a temporary fix for the pain of continued transition to a post-industrial economy; and indeed, will inevitably lead to nationwide implosion. As history clearly shows, government bureaucracy is eminently inefficient and resistant to change; and government as a whole is about restraining demand, not stimulating it. This is the Soviet model of the economy - the model of economic decay. And furthermore, it is the model of American decline. Being a Democrat, I'm sure this poses no problem for you. But just wait until the world is run by the Chinese and the Russians. Then we will see real human atrocities and widespread undemocratic practices. This is the real price of leftist ignorance and refusal to take responsibility for one's self.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
While I agree
April 13, 2008 - 01:16 ET by Dustin JolleyWhile agree that Alan Colmes says some pretty idiotic things from time to time, it's also pretty obvious to me that there's nobody as crazy or idiotic as Olbermann on MSNBC or Brock on Media Matters for America.
I couldn't agree more.
April 13, 2008 - 09:36 ET by kgI couldn't agree more. I can't stand watching him most times. He is rude, talks over people, refuses to talk about the topic at hand and starts off with "but Republicans..." The good thing is he gets smacked down regularly by both guests and Hanity. I spend half of the time watching him saying out loud "oh, shut up Alan".
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
"He is rude, talks over
April 13, 2008 - 16:23 ET by Indiana Joe"He is rude, talks over people, refuses to talk about the topic at hand and starts off with "but Republicans...""
So, you're saying he's a typical lib. ;^D
But he is even more ham-handed than most.
I don't care what Obama or
April 12, 2008 - 23:32 ET by zhombreI don't care what Obama or Colmes say, I'm clinging to the gun that Jesus gave me to protect myself against the foreign hordes. Yup, I am. Now I'm gonna get me some Copenhagen and beer and drive out to the old artillery range to dig for unexploded shells.
zhombre
April 13, 2008 - 15:51 ET by the strugglerz....I got shotgun!
I concur
April 13, 2008 - 00:26 ET by reasonsjesterThe best reason to have a gun is to shoot a liberal if he tries to take away your gun rights. The best reason to have religion is to pray not to go to hell for doing so.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
Hmmm...Obama spends 20
April 13, 2008 - 00:41 ET by Republic1Hmmm...Obama spends 20 years as a member of a congregation led by a radical, black racist, anti-American minister. He then portrays rural white Americans as hate-filled rubes clinging to guns and religion because they are too angry and backward to understand life as viewed by a liberal elitist. I've seen some of the commercials Obama has run in PA. He attacks Exxon for making a profit, and claims not to take money from the oil companies when he's really accepting it from industry executives and lobbyists. This guy is slippery and dishonest, and I'm hoping PA voters at least see through the act when they make their distasteful choice in the primaries.
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -Muhammad
"He then portrays rural
April 13, 2008 - 11:31 ET by QueenMum"He then portrays rural white Americans as hate-filled rubes clinging to guns and religion because they are too angry and backward to understand life as viewed by a liberal elitist."
Well said, Republic. I wonder if Sen. Byrd had any comments about Obama's view of rural Americans. The folks in Sen. Byrd's state are certainly in more dire economic circumstances than those in PA. - thanks in part to the dear Senator from West Virginia. It's a beautiful place thanks to all the pork that Sen. Byrd has provided. But government plans and programs haven't done much to improve the employment opportunities or overall economic status of the good people of West Virginia.
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And isn't it sweet how
April 13, 2008 - 11:56 ET by Republic1And isn't it sweet how many of those pork projects are named after the Honorable Senator? Ah well, he grabbed the money from the treasury and ran--apparently that bestows naming rights.
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -Muhammad
I agree about Wright and
April 13, 2008 - 15:28 ET by mjgI agree about Wright and Obama. One has to wonder where he got his ideas from.
No I'm just against law
April 13, 2008 - 01:42 ET by wiwfNo I'm just against law breakers! :D
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Pointing out why people may
April 13, 2008 - 02:20 ET by motherbeltPointing out why people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is
xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid
about the government and embrace guns doesn’t mean you hate or disdain
a portion of the population. Alan Colmes
Nice straw-man argument, Alan. No one accused Obama of either hate or scorn. He's pretty much being accused of overbearing condescension, in my view.
He thinks those people cling to religion or embrace guns because they are bitter that the government isn't taking care of them!
And speaking of clinging, Mr. Colmes, do you wonder what is Obama's reason for clinging to his pastor? What is is that keeps Obama attached to him ?
People like Colmes and Cafferty are spinning so furiously for Obama that they are in danger of screwing themselves right into the ground.
I thought people were pretty
April 13, 2008 - 12:01 ET by balboaI thought people were pretty clearly interpreting Obama's comments as slamming the Midwest, being mean-spirited about Midwesterners.
I have listened to Colmes
April 13, 2008 - 15:30 ET by mjgI have listened to Colmes once and it was around the time that Wright's comments came out, I couldn't believe his defense of Obama and Wright. I also can't stand Cafferty. He like the some of the media are telling us who to vote for.
Alan Colmes
April 13, 2008 - 02:25 ET by rammingspeedAlan Colmes should keep his opinions secret, too. He embarrasses himelf.
I didn't get that part
April 13, 2008 - 06:07 ET by sarcasmoIsn't keeping a blog secret about like "streaking" in an empty stadium at 3AM?
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc, I think a "secret
April 13, 2008 - 16:28 ET by Indiana JoeSarc,
I think a "secret blog" is called a "diary."
You keep it hidden under your bed or something, I believe.
Hey, you can aways count
April 13, 2008 - 02:47 ET by RESTLESS 1Hey, you can aways count onColmes to have a lib's back, but in this case it seems that he didn't have his points in order as Obama is already backtracking.
HRC is already using this to her advantage, more than happy to have the Bosnia faux pas out of the news.
She'd best not get her hopes
April 13, 2008 - 07:06 ET by motherbeltShe'd best not get her hopes up. Bill will probably bring it up again.
But as for Obama's backtracking: He is now claiming that he said people vote on guns, or "take comfort in their faith"......not the same thing as clinging to guns and religion, Barry. Neither is "antipathy to people who aren't like them" the same as "anti-illegal immigration."
But what's MOST infuriating is that even in his "apology" he is lecturing! HE knows what's wrong with people....HE knows better than they do why they're angry! He just spoke the truth, but others don't want to listen.
Imagine there's no countries...It isn't hard to do....Nothing to kill or die for....and no religion too... ("Imagine" by John Lennon)
Colmes is one of the
April 13, 2008 - 12:07 ET by ThisnThatColmes is one of the world's best lapdogs. His brain must be fried -- he has no ability to reason or think, and he looks rediculous pulling out the talking points that someone gave him to read out loud on the air.
He's also the reason I don't watch Hannity & Colmes. Fox went to far, IMO, to become "fair and balanced". Colmes makes the entire show unbalanced.
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"If I worded things in a
April 13, 2008 - 22:04 ET by red_dragon311"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.
So he regrets that people got offened by the way he worded things.
so he's not sorry he said it, he just regrets that people got offened
So WE are in the wrong for not "getting" it
Hey Barack H-word Obama F*** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mr. Liberal Poster Boy
April 13, 2008 - 05:01 ET by badger.Alan Colmes, this bird is up there in the stratosphere, this guy is out to lunch! I feel sorry for Sean Hannity, having to deal with this liberal 5 days a week. Like Archie Bunker dealing with Meathead. Wasting time!
I live in a conservative fly over red state, where everyone owns a gun, a church every 500 feet, low crime rate. I love it. Liberals can call me what they will, backwards, country, hick, ignorant, racist, redneck, stupid, typical white person, trailer-trash, white-trash, whatever, I could not care less. Just don't tell me how to think and live my life, thank you.
What is it about guns that liberals just don't understand? In my opinion, a gun is nothing more than a useful tool, giving me the assurance and confidence to safely protect my family and me. I look at it like insurance. It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. I hope I never have to use insurance like auto, fire, flood, health, life, etc., etc., etc... Emplace in any event, if the need arises.
I remember years ago, my brother was walking his dog on a leash, in his own yard, and both were almost attacked by 2 crazy, on the loose, full grown American Pit Bulls. Long story short, my brother and I managed to scare the dogs off, but we made 3 phone calls to the local police, who never responded to our calls nor arrived to investigate the matter. Someone could have been killed or severely hurt, and the cops didn't even bother to show up. Explanation, prioritizing calls! Unreal.
Sorry, I'm not going to place any faith in a cell phone and then become totally dependent on the local authorities and law enforcement, that might show up in 30 minutes. 15-30 minutes can be a long time when a serious crime is being commited! I'm placing all my faith in my God, my gun, and my dog. What is that old saying "I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6". Thank you, I'll take my chances and hope with the 12.
Badger
April 13, 2008 - 07:21 ET by ricklailHannity takes up for this idiot.
God, guns and guts is the way many of us here in the south see it. This is something that neither O'bama or that idiot understands. I pray to God that I'll have the guts to pull the trigger on someone that is about to do harm to my family.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
→ Thanks, Colmes
April 13, 2008 - 10:10 ET by Cool ArrowDoes this train of thought apply to those "hunker down" city dwellers who find comfort in believing the Government infects them with AIDS, gets them hooked on Cocaine, tries to rob them of their government entitlements, forces them to loot Korean businesses thriving within their community?
Sorry Colmes, It's just more racist rhetoric from your wunderkind, Obama
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Colmes, Obama et.al.
April 13, 2008 - 10:36 ET by iveseenitallLove that "liberal" hypocrisy and immaturity. Guys like Colmes and Obama aren't grateful or humble about their "luck" in having been born an American. They are like adolescents, constantly complaining that what they have is not enough. Ignorance is bliss for them. Colmes, a stand up comic before he "lucked out", a boy with plenty of Republican family connections to help him get on t.v., will never admit to the principles that made our nation the envy of the world: individual achievement and personal responsibility, love of God and commitment to something greater than yourself. Obama, who has gotten this far precisely because he is black, has the gall to mock those whose stick to the basics ---God, family, and country. "Liberals", collectivists, communists are the enemy within. Sad and sickening to watch them bite the hand that feeds them.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Disdain for Liberals
April 13, 2008 - 10:30 ET by badger.What galls me to no end are these Hollywood and MSM liberal elitist hypocrites have no problem with themselves or their bodyguards carrying guns. They exercise their rights with the excuses of being professionally trained and licensed with the concealed carry weapon permit nonsense.
Watch them in the movies, they seem to always blink or close both eyes when they fire their weapons. Generously overpaid for this Great Acting!!!! Few exceptions.(Audie Murphy)
Hollyweirds like Sean Penn and Snoopy Dog get in trouble all the time for brandishing weapons. Penn tying Madonna up for hours. Is that not a felony? Snoopy has numerous gun charges. Both always found innocent and still allowed to carry.
Obama has no problem being surrounded by 20 Secret Service agents and private bodyguards packing miniature 9MM UZI's and MAC 10's, ready to save his life in a moments notice. Obama has no problem clinging tight to his religion for 20 years. See the difference?
Badger
April 13, 2008 - 10:41 ET by iveseenitallRight on, Badger. Their blatant hypocrisy is what makes all "liberals" so despicable. Obama's words ring hollow to anyone whose eyes are open all the time, not just when firing their legal weapons.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Colmes an idiot
April 13, 2008 - 10:44 ET by geminicontenderI watch Hannity & Colmes because each and every day he is shown to be the moron he truly is. He can never win an argument so he ends up interrupting his guests by talking over them. He brings out the most ridiculous points on any subject, he changes subject as soon as a 'smart' person challenges him. If he is one of the last standing liberals in the media (worth anything) then he will slowly go down the road of Randi Rhodes (God Bless Her Sould).
Obama and the gun-toting, religious right.
April 13, 2008 - 11:38 ET by sillionA previous poster might want to consider moving if he or she is now living in a state so full of undesirable racist malcontents. I'd suggest Detroit,or Baltimore,or New Orleans,or some other liberal Democratic paradise...any of which can be spotted by checking its demographics on a site that shows population characteristics and crime stats. Empirical data have a way of focusing one's mind on harsh realities. As for the who,what and why of our public school system's demise...political correctness forced a lowering of behavioral and academic standards to the least common denominator. Our spineless politicans and liberal jurists figured it was better to ruin the lives of generations of our children than to be thought of as closed-minded to the unquestioned value of multi-cultural diversity. O brave, new world!
Sillion
April 13, 2008 - 12:51 ET by iveseenitallSo right about the public schools. There are young people reading these posts today who know nothing about the evils of socialism/communism because they've never been taught about them. They know nothing of the history of the world. They truly have no appreciation for what has been and ,therefore, history may repeat itself in the form of charlatans like Obama. Ignorance may be bliss, but it is so dangerous. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
What I don't get regarding
April 13, 2008 - 12:40 ET by midnight cowboyWhat I don't get regarding Obama's remark is how it just paralells Karl Marx's age old line "Religion is the opiate of the people"
The entire Marx quote is spot on for what Obama said.
Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
Tell me now Obama isn't a Marxist.
Religion - for losers!
April 13, 2008 - 12:40 ET by CurtI think we've mostly missed the "religion" part of the Obama speech. Religion, he said, is for the bitter and downtrodden; the ignorant and poor. It is not for the elite; the well-educated; the best and the brightest. This actually explains a lot.
This is why Obama did not know what Jeremiah Wright was preaching about. He wasn't really paying attention. He doesn't really involve with the "opiate" of the unwashed masses. He just goes there (or went there) for the contacts and the exposure.
Curt
I think you're overstating a
April 13, 2008 - 12:53 ET by balboaI think you're overstating a bit. He's saying that when people are "down-trodden," they often cling to something that makes them feel better about their situation.
balboa: I say that being
April 13, 2008 - 13:36 ET by QueenMumbalboa: I say that being "down-trodden" is a state of mind. Everyone has difficult times in their lives. And during those times they may turn to religion in particular. The gun thing I just don't get. Is he talking about criminals? Is he talking about people who feel so hopeless that they kill themselves? Or is he equating support of the 2nd Amendment with a religious belief? ????????
The fact is that hope is a virtue that is available to all people who choose to embrace it. It's not a commodity that the government can dole out like cheese.
Sounds to me like Obama is addressing the lunatic fringe when he talks about gun owners in this way. You know, those people who hide out in the hinterlands plotting to overthrow the government? Just goes to show you how well he knows the American people outside his own elite circle.
I swear, Obama's rhetoric makes my head spin. It's bad enough his campaign speeches and ads don't make sense the first time. Then he goes around trying to "clarify" and ends up making even less sense. For someone who would have us believe that he's different from the polliticians we already have in D.C., he's not very convincing.
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The gun thing: You don't
April 13, 2008 - 16:09 ET by balboaThe gun thing: You don't think people who think they're powerless to affect their situation ever celebrate or attach themselves to something that they feel gives them power?
And you think this blanket
April 13, 2008 - 16:42 ET by Indiana JoeAnd you think this blanket assertion applies to all or most of the Americans who believe in gun-rights?
I love it. He goes to a church for 20 years, but don't assume that implies he agrees with it's message. I own a gun, so it's safe to assume I feel powerless and down-trodden.
If that's true, wouldn't gun-owners be looking for someone to "empower" them? Wouldn't they, in fact, be natural liberals?
Funny how reality has a way of disproving a lot of psycho-babble. Must be reality that's wrong.
And you think this blanket
April 13, 2008 - 16:47 ET by balboaAnd you think this blanket assertion applies to all or most of the Americans who believe in gun-rights?
No, I never said that, and I don't think Obama did, either. He's saying SOME people, not everyone who owns a gun.
Well, SOME people who
April 13, 2008 - 17:09 ET by Indiana JoeWell, SOME people who don't own guns feel "powerless," too, I'm sure. And they "cling" to their beliefs, whatever they may be. Despairing people come in all flavors, and they respond to despair in different ways. Why single out these two groups?
It was a condescending, elitist, unnecessary shot at the religious and gun-owners. In short, the Right in general.
Generalizations are bad, m'kay?
(Besides, the poster you responded to "never said" NO people who owned guns looked at them as a replacement for the "power" they felt they didn't have. You just chose to interpret it that way for your post.)
And now I gotta run. Dinner, and I'm cooking. ;^)
I just don't think it was a
April 13, 2008 - 17:13 ET by balboaI just don't think it was a shot. There are people like this out there.
And QueenMum seemed confused about who these gun owners were. I was trying to help.
→ You're right bal
April 13, 2008 - 20:37 ET by Cool ArrowThere are those people out there, but by and large they are not the small town group. They are the inner city kids shooting each other up because their preachers told them they'll never amount to anything because the world hates them.
These are the kids who couldn't care less about religion, but they have lots of guns.
Wonder if Obama's old district in Chicago is a safer place to live than most of those fly over cities and towns.
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I don't that one group has
April 13, 2008 - 20:59 ET by balboaI don't that one group has bigger numbers than the other. But I know that the people Obama is talking about exist.
You don't know?
April 13, 2008 - 23:53 ET by CobraMan"I don't that one group has bigger numbers than the other."
Then you must not have been be paying much attention to the news in the last 20 years or so. Where do you think the term "drive by shooting" originated? In some small town in Texas? No, it originated in large cities like LA due to all the gun violance that is occuring between gang members.
You're immediately jumping
April 14, 2008 - 08:41 ET by balboaYou're immediately jumping to the conclusion that those who turn to guns to feel better about their situation do so to commit homicides.
"The gun thing: You don't
April 13, 2008 - 18:56 ET by QueenMum"The gun thing: You don't think people who think they're powerless to affect their situation ever celebrate or attach themselves to something that they feel gives them power?"
balboa: So, the reason an American citizen would want a gun is merely because it makes them feel powerful? That a gun is some sort of phallic symbol? Your statement says a lot about what you think the 2nd Amendment is all about.
The fact that the population that Obama referred to happened to own guns has nothing to do with feeling powerless as a result of their economic circumstances. I'm sure they owned guns before the jobs dried up. I suspect that Obama doesn't understand the difference between gun ownership by law-abiding citizens and the gun-toting gangs in places like South Chicago. And so, he again shows his liberal tendencies and his narrow perception of Americans in general. In Obamaland, the gun-toting gangs are merely looking for a way to feel better about themselves. Never mind that their solution for improving their situations is to use the gun to threaten others, steal, or murder.
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So, the reason an American
April 13, 2008 - 19:13 ET by balboaSo, the reason an American citizen would want a gun is merely because it makes them feel powerful?
For SOME people, yes. Not everyone, not ALL citizens. Some.
For SOME people, yes.
April 14, 2008 - 00:03 ET by CobraMan"For SOME people, yes."
Yep, and most of those people live in big cities and carry guns because it's a status symbol for gang members. You know, all those LIBERAL cities, like Chicago, where most of the gang members live.
And to what do big city
April 13, 2008 - 13:56 ET by Chris NormanAnd to what do big city liberals cling to when they're feeling "down-trodden"? Oh, yeah - Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Curt
April 13, 2008 - 13:11 ET by iveseenitallRight on, Curt. Obama is a shallow, immature young. person. While others have been influenced by such things as heroism, he himself admits that one of his greatest influences has been "basketball". And Rev.Wrong is just an actor. This is "liberalism" at its worst. It will ultimately get them what they want--power and wealth. Anyone who has been involved for as long as I was with "liberals" knows them well. It's a canard to cover their personal desire to control the minds and lives of people. Apathy and ignorance are their allies.We, as Americans, must fight "liberalism"/socialism/communism every chance we get. We avoid the fight, (or worse, support it) to our own demise.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Obama's religion
April 13, 2008 - 13:27 ET by Carbon SasquatchWith a priveleged upbringing in Hawaii (private prep school) followed by upscale private college in Calif and on to Ivy League for law degree, what Obama really needed in Chicago was Homie(homey?) lessons. After 20 years, he still sounds more like the stuck up cousin than like the Fresh Prince of BelAir.
And just where is he wrong? Everywhere.
April 13, 2008 - 13:36 ET by CobraMan"And just where is he wrong?"
You answered your own question, buddy. Obama's wrong because he, and you, believe that "people may be bitter or frustrated, that there is xenophobia, that people sometimes cling to religion or feel paranoid about the government and embrace guns" in conservative dominated small towns and cities here in America.
None of that is happening in Small Town America. If you look at things like crime statistics, suicide rates, unemployment rates, low public support of local, state, and federal government, and various other indicators of people's general frustrations and bitterness; you'll find that the vast majority of bitter, frustrated, unemployed, xenophobic people live in liberal dominated big cities and not in conservative dominated small towns. By promoting a failed liberal big-city solution to a none existent conservative small-town malady, Obama’s not offering a cure to Small Town America, he’s offering the disease that he helped to create.
Cobra: I'm yearning for
April 13, 2008 - 14:05 ET by QueenMumCobra: I'm yearning for some serious questioning of Obama re: the long-term effects of liberal policies, especially as it relates to the loss of jobs which can be attributed to government environmental policies and taxation.
The people in my small community appreciate the freedoms we have under our Constitution and are more generous and caring than someone like Obama can even comprehend. We take care of each other and welcome anyone who's willing to simply obey the law and care about the community.
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Well put, QueenMum
April 13, 2008 - 14:34 ET by CobraManYou're right about small comminutes, they're the real providers of compassion and understanding in America. It's too bad that liberals never see the truth here, that they are the cause of most of the misery and oppression they claim to despise.
"I'm yearning for some serious questioning of Obama"
As am I.
The first question I would ask is: Mr. Obama, if you feel that so many citizens are so distrustful of government as your past statements have indicated and that you, a liberal who gained political experience in a liberal dominated large city, offer a real solution to this problem, then why do almost all of the people who distrusts the police (a function of government) live in liberal dominated big cities like Chicago? The total population of conservative dominated Small Town America is many times greater than the population of liberal dominated Big City America, yet, despite having far greater numbers, the vast majority of citizens living in Small Town America respect and support the police while a large percentage of citizens living in Big City America do not. That’s a huge discrepancy between the two demographics. Wouldn't this point to a failure of liberal big city policies and lend support to the promotion of conservative policies instead?
I would love to hear his answer to that question!
Colmes defense of what Obama
April 13, 2008 - 14:02 ET by Chris NormanColmes defense of what Obama thinks is entirely understandable. It's shared by many liberals - especially the ones from the Sixties generation. They can't understand why everyone doesn't believe in the things they believe in - secularism, gun control, and open borders, so they ascribe all opposition to irrational emotion, ignorance, and bitterness. Liberals just naturally look down on the middle and blue collar classes as their social and intellectual inferiors - it bolsters their self delusion that they're superior socially and intellectually.
Good Ol' Colmes...keepin'
April 13, 2008 - 14:37 ET by bigtimerGood Ol' Colmes...keepin' it fair and balanced...even if he is unbalanced, he is just doing his job, infuriating though it is.
As an aside, I don't think he is supporting Obama as much as he seems to have the Shrillster in the past...either way, he makes you yell at the television or click it...if he only would quit the constant droning interruptions and filibusters.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Too good to be true
April 13, 2008 - 14:46 ET by badger.Why is it that Obama and his darling wife have so much trouble trying to get an idea or point across? Both were educated at elite colleges, but yet have so much trouble communicating with the common (hoi polli) masses. Obama wants to be the Top Dog, but has so much trouble communicating without a prepared speech or a teleprompter in front of him. Maybe he should not be elected POTUS!
Always the same old tired line. Words taken out of context. Millions of educated conservatives and independents constantly misunderstanding what Obama is trying to convey, because we have trouble keeping things in the proper context.
I never had the privilege to attend an Ivy League university, and I might be as poor as Joe Turkey, but contrary to what some people might think, we nice white country folk (Oprah quote) do have some schools down here in the South. We can read and write and can keep words in the proper context, without the need of a translator.
I have experience being poor and I know what it feels like to have money in the bank. Obama will never convince me of anything nor change my mind about him. My dad had plenty of old sayings. The one that comes to mind now is "if it sounds too good to be true, than it probably is". Obama just sounds too good to be true!
I'm not drinking any flavor of kool-aid this fraud serves-up.
Badger, I think it's because
April 13, 2008 - 15:54 ET by Chris NormanBadger,
I think it's because he has no problem talking to the college liberals who think like he does and look down on conservatives and blue collar Democrats as ignorant unsophisticates. It's when his words to his fellow elitists leak out to those he looks down on, even while he seeks their votes, the trouble starts. I think most liberal politicians look down on the same people. It bolsters their self delusion of superiority. They're just more careful of letting their true feelings slip out. It reminds me of the college radicals in the Sixties, who thought by merely wearing denim shirts and jeans, they were actually connecting and identifying with the "working class", who they actually held in contempt.
He has no opinions or values..
April 13, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Army BratHe simply takes the opposite position that any Conservative he speaks with or about has.
He's a cartoon character...playing out his part without thought or conscience.
If a few brain cells are actually fring...how he keeps a straight face all the time is beyond me.
Happy Trails...
Maybe
April 13, 2008 - 18:15 ET by badger.Chris,
Yes, you might be right. Obama thinking he was safe with friends on his own turf making these comments. Foolish in my opinion, especially being so close to the election. The MSM is always bragging how intelligent this guy is suppose to be, I'm not convinced.
Either Obama does need help with his talking points, making comments like this, with all the electronic recording devices on the market, or he was just stating his true feelings, thinking he was amongst his kind of people, never to be found out. Just like his Trinity Church. Although still kind of stupid, knowing that there is always one, and there was one recording in his elite audience. Obama cannot win the white house without the help of many conservative, independent, and typical white people voting for him. Can't wait to see how the Oprah remarks "nice white folks" will be played out in MSM. Keep singing big mouth!
Obama=smart?
April 13, 2008 - 19:35 ET by iveseenitallThe country swallowed the canard that Bill Clinton was so "smart". As is being proved with almost every word from his mouth these days, Bill is far from smart. Now, according to the media, it's Obama who is so smart. But the MSM is going to have quite a difficult time putting that one over this time around. The mask is being ripped from Obama more and more each day. And the Dems have a real problem on their hands now. By all rights Obama desrves the nominatiion. However, I think they are seeing that he can't win in the general election. What are they going to do? Very interesting and quite delicious.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
isia... Delicious
April 13, 2008 - 19:43 ET by bigtimerisia...
Delicious indeed.
Btw...we were watching some political show this morning and the talking heads were not understanding how such a SMART political savvy man like Bill could be so stupid...my husband and I both said smart to who? Of course the twoferone Clintoon team are the smartest people in the world according to the leftists until their replacement comes along.
Humorous is mor like it...it is getting to be a comedy team and quite the show...now that the msm is not covering for them anymore.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Btw...we were watching some
April 13, 2008 - 20:24 ET by motherbeltBtw...we were watching some political show this morning and the talking
heads were not understanding how such a SMART political savvy man like
Bill could be so stupid.
I said Bill either doesn't want Hillary to win, or he's the dumbest spouse of a candidate in the world. And one thing Bill Clinton has never been accused of, is being politically stupid.
So you do the math.
To me, he's getting
April 13, 2008 - 20:25 ET by balboaTo me, he's getting crotchety in his older age, and he doesn't really care if HRC wins or not.
mb and boa... ...but he's
April 13, 2008 - 20:29 ET by bigtimermb and boa...
...but he's working hard on his legacy doncha' know...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Clinton's not smart?
April 13, 2008 - 20:07 ET by balboaClinton's not smart?
Not as smart as the talking
April 13, 2008 - 20:15 ET by bigtimerNot as smart as the talking heads made him and his side-kick out to be is all boa...it was never-ending to listen to if you are a conservative, look at how the same people have portrayed Pres. Bush from day one.
It is all in the agenda at the time with the talking heads.
...besides that Clinton was Impeached...I just had to throw that in...couldn't help myself.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I watch a show called "Hannity &"
April 13, 2008 - 19:59 ET by JWFI have a zippy button for the Colmes part.
JWF... Me too...and that
April 13, 2008 - 20:01 ET by bigtimerJWF...
Me too...and that was funny.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Most bigotry and xenophobia...
April 13, 2008 - 20:46 ET by Parker1227...these days comes from the left - just like Obama's little condescending smear.
Its open season in the MSM and amongst "enlightened" progressives to ruthlessly put down all things southern, small town Christian and or "redneck".
All other groups have special protected status, many protected by actual "hate" laws which allow officials to decide what the offender was thinking, and to fine or jail as desired.
Very scary stuff.
Ironically a lot of bigotry
April 13, 2008 - 20:49 ET by BlazerIronically a lot of bigotry and xenophobia these day's come from a church on the southside of Chicago.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
You want xenophobia?
April 13, 2008 - 23:03 ET by GrannyGrump42Go to Korea! They are seriously xenophobic. The language doesn't even have a word for "immigrant". The concept is bewildering to them. Outsiders are supposed to VISIT, then GO HOME.
I have seen far more genuine cultural diversity growing up in rural America than I ever saw in Seoul.
docb
April 14, 2008 - 01:19 ET by Xango Anniethe right wing dismantling the school system for 30 years...puuuleeze........ROFLMAO!!!!!
and Combs was a stand up comic...really, seriously..he must have been pathetic..I have also never understood what Mrs. Combs..nee Crowly ever saw in this drip....
riding a tractor for 14-16 hrs. on a dairy farm...that was the tip off right there..a tip docb and you libs..just don't try this...you are just not competent to handle this stuff..
The left prove once again
April 14, 2008 - 05:58 ET by BobAnthonyHOW THEY HATE AMERICA AND ITS VALUES! I've grown up in a small town all my life--albeit an enclave of RINO Republicans who love counting their jack in Greenwich. And yes Skeletor I get frustrated and angry and I do sometimes go to God for some help. If my liberal mother would allow me to have a gun in the home, I guess the die would be cast in your sick, psycho-socialist Thomas Moore Utopia-type world!
And it's you fools on the left that I blame for the way this country is going to hell in a handbasket. For Barack HUSSEIN Obama to say what he said shows he is a pompous, elitest, black Nazi son of a y'all-know-what! And Skeletor Colmes has now become an accessory. Try visiting small town America Colmes; you'll get the biggest culture shock of your life. We ain't all Mayberry, RFD or Leave it To Beaver.