AP, Others Likely Misreported Chinese Chevy Volt 'We Get the Tech or You Can't Produce' Shakedown Last Year
Sometimes you read the most interesting things in those supposedly boring trade publications.
One such item of interest comes from an article in Manufacturing News (HT to an emailer) written by Richard A. McCormack which is primarily about the Mainland China's designs on the worldwide auto parts industry, including the U.S. Some of the larger American unions are demanding that the administration and Congress take action on what they see as unfair trade practices. One sentence is indicative of a more pervasive problem, and it directly contradicts what the establishment press has been telling Americans for months. It's of particular concern to all Americans because the U.S. government still owns over 25% of General Motors, and reads as follows: "China has told GM that it will not be able to sell its Volt electric vehicle in China unless GM transfers technology to China and produces the vehicle there."
What?
That's not what the Associated Press told readers back in September (bold which directly contradicts McCormack's contention is mine):
GM to Build Electric Cars in China, Protect Chevy Volt Technology
General Motors Co. agreed Tuesday to deepen cooperation with its flagship Chinese partner on development of electric vehicle knowhow amid pressure from Beijing to hand over proprietary technology.
Investments and other details of the plan were not provided, and it was unclear if the agreement was the result of a renewed push by China to acquire advanced technology its own automakers still lack.
U.S. lawmakers have complained that China is shaking down GM to get the technology that drives the Chevrolet Volt electric car. GM plans to start selling the Volt in China by the end of the year, but its prospects are iffy because it doesn't qualify for a Chinese government subsidy that amounts to $19,000 per car. The government offers the subsidy only to electric cars made in China.
Lawmakers contend such requirements are unfair and may violate world trade rules.
But GM spokesman Jay Cooney in Detroit said the company has not been pressured by the Chinese government to share the Volt technology and has no plans to share it. He said GM is working with the Chinese government in an effort to get the subsidy for the Volt because it helps reach a government goal of getting more electric vehicles on the road.
It's bad enough when U.S. private firms give away their family jewels just to be able to do business in China or to have Chinese firms make their products (By the way, I question whether this is an absolute precondition of doing business there when Apple, one of the most close-to-the-vest companies on earth, has significant subcontracted manufacturing operations there.)
But -- setting aside concerns about the Volt's financial viability and safety, or even whether it's technology is that noteworthy -- it's much worse that a U.S. government-controlled entity, which GM still is (no other shareholder has a larger stake), might perhaps end up giving away the technology of a company on which it just blew billions of dollars of taxpayer funds on a bailout less than three years ago.
From a media standpoint, if McCormack at Manufacturing News is right (and it's hard to see why we should instinctively doubt him), how did the AP get it so wrong four months ago? Please don't tell me that the Chinese have toughened their stance in the intervening four months. Demanding American technology on the cheap is standard operating procedure and the starting point for negotiations and doesn't change unless there's pushback. McCormack's report is properly seen as showing that no pushback has ever occurred.
Was the AP fooled? Or is the wire service going to say what its reporters wrote in September was true because the real negotiating is being conducted between the Chinese and U.S. governments, while GM's corporate management has no knowledge or involvement? If so, that's pretty pathetic and deceptive reporting.
Other outlets which appear to also have missed the story or to have allowed themselves to be deceived can be found near the bottom of the web page at this link.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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Given the performance of the
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 2:54am.
Given the performance of the Volt - not only in the marketplace, but also it's practical use - I'm not sure if there is any 'technology' that the Chinese would want out of it anyway..........the thing is a lemon and a loser. And these psuedo 'electric, battery powered' cars are a helluva lot worse for the 'environment' than the old 'fossil fuels' are.
And, if I'm not mistaken, General Electric (whose CEO is Boy Barry's main 'economic and business' man - remember them giggling about the natso ready 'shovel-ready' jobs???) has sent a LOT of jobs, technology, and business to China lately - right when our own employment rate and business climate is in bad shape. I guess that is why the unemployment numbers are going 'down', right???
And I'm NOT blaming the Chinese.............these guys are NOT stupid................but, unfortunatly, we are - at least with regards to the morons and idiots running our country.
IT'S TIME TO PUNCH BACK
Submitted by Sgthulka on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 9:08am.
I hope, whoever the next Republican president is, that we begin to directly confront the on-going trade situation with China.
They are not interested in "negotiating" anything. They want to own major markets world-wide.
Period.
And corporate whores like Jeff Immelt of GE will do everything to try to stop America counter-action in confronting this issue.
Own major world markets
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 9:10am.
Through the theft of intellectual property.
That is SOP in China.
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 9:32am.
Any factories or manufacturing plants MUST be a joint venture and the Chinese side is run by the Army. The technology is stolen, and other installations are set up and run 100% by the Chinese Army. The joint venture plants are eventually scaled back to only two official shifts (with the third shift making bootleg / black market products).
There is NO reason to do buisness with them this way. A major percentage of the ships that dock in the US with Chinese goods return either empty or only partially full. We could make our products over here and ship them back to the Chinese cheaply and easily. At first they would put tarrifs on the products as a way of trying to force the company to transfer their technology, but if the company stands firm this will end. It is now a BIG social fad in China to buy and use and wear products from America. Their newly minted "middle class" will pay extra for them. The tarrifs will not be an issue.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
And the dog gets bitten
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 10:49am.
"China has told GM that it will not be able to sell its Volt electric vehicle in China unless GM transfers technology to China and produces the vehicle there."
You mean like what we did to Toyota, when we "forced" them to build their cars here in America as part of our trade agreement? Sauce for the Goose, and all that.
By the way, it would be very hard to stop a "transfer of technology" simply by requiring that all Volts that are sold to China be produced here in America. Not when anyone who buys the damn thing can take it apart and reverse engineer it.
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Oh, and Tom...
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:09am.
Oh, and Tom, exactly what "technology" would GM be "giving away" by building a manufacturing plant in China?
Would it be those futuristic Robotic manufacturing lines? That's doubtful, as just about every automobile manufacture in the world already uses them in one form or another.
Would it be the technology use to produce the batteries themselves? That's doubtful too, as GM doesn't actually make those batteries, they're supplied by someone else.
Maybe it's the electric drive motors? Once again, those aren't manufactured by GM, so no worries there.
The control CPU's? Same thing: not manufactured by GM.
That just leaves us with frame and body manufacturing. But, wait, that technology is already known, and used, world-wide. So, what's left? Tires? Paint?
Be honest here. This isn't about protecting technology from being "given away" to China, for all the technology that is used to manufacture those cars is already available on the world market. It's about protecting American jobs. And that's all it's about. Well, guess what? The Chinese feel the same way. They want to give those assembly jobs to their own citizens, and I can't find fault with that. Not when we do the exact same thing here with the domestic manufacturing of foreign cars!
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If the tech is so unimportant ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:12am.
... why are the Chinese insisting on getting it as a precondition (along with making it there)?
Based on instances I'm aware of in other industries, I think you might be underestimating the value of proprietary knowledge about the tooling and other aspects of producing the vehicles.
It's not the tech, it's the labor
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:48am.
It's not the tech they're after, it's the labor. The technology to assemble a car is well known worldwide, and has been for decades. China already used this type of automated assembly in the products they sell to us. There's nothing new about it.
You need to realize that modern automobile manufacturing is more assembly than anything else. The major complex components of any car, like the engine, for example, are all made by outside companies, as are the mundane parts like breaks, struts, ect. The automobile manufacturers stop using in-house production of things like that decades ago, for it's far more cost effective to sub-contract that type of manufacturing to someone else. GM just buys those parts, made to order to their own specifications, of course. I mean, really, GM doesn't even make their car seats anymore, someone else does!
In the case of the Volt, the most highly technological components, like the battery, the drive motors, the control CPU's, are all made by outside companies. Chevy just buys them and assembles the various parts together in their manufacturing plants (which, by the way, aren't even called "manufacturing plants" any more. They're called "assembly plants," and for a very good reason, for that's all they do these days: assemble). This wouldn't change whether those Volts are assembled here in America or overseas in China. Chinese manufacturers would still need to purchase those components from US manufacturers and have them shipped overseas for assembly into the final product. As it is GM which holds the technical information used to design those parts to their specifications, that technology is protected. China would get the end-product, the manufactured part itself, and not the design specifications used to create them. That "technology" would stay here, in America.
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Ah, But I believe ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:38pm.
... that if one digs deep enough into China's demands, they would want all the tech for all the parts.
I don't have real solid evidence for that, just anecdotes about how other Big Cos demand to know all the tech for parts and tooling originally developed at smaller U.S. companies so they can turn around and sell it/give it away to the Chinese. I believe more than a few small American firms have either lost work because they wouldn't do that, got the work at first but then lost it to the Chinese after the tech was sold/given away, or both.
Then grab a shovel and start digging, Tom
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:57pm.
Then grab a shovel, Tom, and start digging, for nothing you have produced to date indicated that this is going to happen.
Tom, GM doesn't "own" the "proprietary technology" used to create things like advanced batteries. Someone else does. GM doesn't have the capabilities to produce those high tech parts, so there's nothing for GM to "give away" in that respect. Do you really think that the manufactures of, say, a high tech lithium ion battery will be willing "give away" their manufacturing technology to China just so GM could sell Volts there? No, that would never happen. That's their technology, not GM's.
The only "proprietary technology" that China would be likely to get from GM is the shape and size of the molds used to produce the carbon fiber body panels, the shape and size of the jigs used to manufacture the frame, and the color schemes available to the consumer, for that's the only "parts" that GM actually manufactures. Everything else is outsourced, up to and including the plastic panels used in the dash board.
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Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
My anecdotes, admittedly from other industries ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 2:51pm.
... say otherwise.
I'm not convinced that GM can't force or hasn't already suppliers, including battery providers, to provide all the details behind their technology -- and if they have, I'm not convinced that GM would be unwilling to give it away to the Chinese.
I'm well aware of several companies in other industries who demand the details of technology behind suppliers' products -- and get it -- and willingly move it over to China to have products made there more cheaply. I don't quite understand why you're so sure GM isn't doing that, or won't do it.
By the way...
Submitted by CobraMan on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:26pm.
By the way... a 19,000 dollar subsidy for electric cars in China? Man, those cars aren't very popular, not if the government needs to bribe their own people into buying one!
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I say give the Chicoms the tooling, too, and let them produce...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 02/10/2012 - 3:56pm.
...these POS death boxes to their red heart's desire.
Nobody here wants the stupid things, anyway, as this abortion of a vehicle has proven itself to be the American Yugo.
-Dave
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