The White House's perpetual campaign site, er, home page, currently has rotating messages at the top left. Two of them relate to health care (yellow underlines are mine):

The administration would be well-advised to hold back on the blather about "blatant falsehoods" and "misinformation" until their guy in charge stops disseminating them himself.
Take Obama's claim that the surgeon's fee for a single foot/leg amputation is $30,000 - $50,000 (please).
Here, from the White House's transcript of the President's Tuesday appearance in Portsmouth, NH, is the beginning of what Obama had to say in comparing the costs involved in preventive care against diabetes to the cost of one of its potential consequences:
So we are going to be taking steps, as part of reform, to deal with expanding primary care physicians and our nursing corps. On the doctors' front, one of the things we can do is to reimburse doctors who are providing preventive care and not just the surgeon who provides care after somebody is sick. (Applause.) Nothing against surgeons. I want surgeons -- I don't want to be getting a bunch of letters from surgeons now. I'm not dissing surgeons here. (Laughter.)
He probably wasn't going to get many letters at that point, but in his next statement, he guaranteed a groundswell of well-deserved outrage (bold is mine):
All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money. (Applause.)
And they said that George W. Bush was out of touch.
Yesterday, The American College of Surgeons struck back -- hard (HT the Corner), and reminded the public that this isn't the first time in recent weeks that the President has misrepresented and/or smeared these professionals (bolds are mine):
CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation. But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon. The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.
We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.
If a Republican or conservative had committed such an obvious gaffe, it would be front-page news. But then, so would "inhalator," "57 states," "Arkansas is closer to Kentucky than Illinois," and any number of other howlers that the establishment media has ignored out of this guy for about two years.
The surgeons should therefore no be surprised if there is media near-silence on the latest error. In fact, they should expect it. Heck, on the high end of what Medicare pays, it's "only" overstates the cost of an amputation by a factor of 26 to 44.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters




















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→ Foot Choppers
August 13, 2009 - 22:44 ET by Cool ArrowHow very elegant of this great communicator, out President, to indict America's Doctors as flesh-hungry sawbones'
And you're right about the "What if a Conservative had said it"
They're squealing about Palin's "death panel" quote, but the wording to which she referred has been taken out.
Looks like Sarah doesn't have to cut off a foot to hit a nerve.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Well, now we know why this
August 14, 2009 - 05:38 ET by motherbeltWell, now we know why this accomplished reader-of teleprompters- (there was only one "Great Communicator") picked Joe Biden...he figured it would take the attention off himself. Unfortunately, Joe's been pretty quiet lately. Maybe President Teleprompter should send him out to make more off-the-cuff speeches.
I noticed, too, that they took the "death panel" section out of the bill. Opponents should not give up; they ARE getting results.
Here's more proof that they are getting through
And I think a lot of people are getting sick and tired of hearing doctors villified as scalpel-happy Gordon Gekkos. My husband's orthopedic surgeon discouraged him from knee replacement surgery: didn't want to do it. He told my husband he was too young, and said he should wait as long as possible, if he could tolerate the pain.
Federal largess
August 14, 2009 - 06:52 ET by nadadhimmiTrue story: I'm a Physician and my office manager called medicare to try to get an ok for orthopedic shoes for a patient with lower extremity diabetic neuropathy and pressure sores on the feet. The medicare rep said NO, and asked what possible effect could diabetes have on the FEET?. Your Govt run healthcare at work myfriends! She never got her shoes and her foot was amputated. Medicare saved money on the shoes tho. The Govt is a heartless, cruel monster, even WORSE than the Insurance companies, and that's pretty damn bad.
nadad: I guess you won't be
August 14, 2009 - 09:19 ET by QueenMumnadad: I guess you won't be invited to any of Obama's town halls anytime soon. ;)
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Re Shoes
August 14, 2009 - 10:14 ET by slickwillie2001That's Fox News interview material if you decide you want your 15 minutes poster. Or you could give the doc to one of NB's writers and they could make an article out of it.
This is what's being lost in this debate between private insurance being the decision maker and government doing it. With private insurance you always have another course of action. With government they are likely to block alternate paths to healthcare. just to 'level the playing field' as they like to say.
Considering that the vast majority...
August 14, 2009 - 07:25 ET by Apodictic... of his constituents are drooling idiots and intellectual dwarfs, he could say that each such surgery cost $1Trillion - and they'd believe him. That's why he makes these statements with such arrogant impugnity.
There she blows!
August 13, 2009 - 22:46 ET by nwahsObama's comments were disgusting. You would have to go into the bowels of the earth to find a doctor that needed more money to promote healthy life styles. Thats what they do. Increasing the *doctors* money will not save feet. Increasing other forms of education, might. Doctors are doing all they can now to educate patients.
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
Diabetic Amputations
August 14, 2009 - 05:52 ET by allanfDiabetic amputations come after years of a chronic illness that is often very hard to control. Many of the victims are elderly, have controlled their weight, been careful of their blood sugar and still pay this price.
"Many of the victims are
August 14, 2009 - 23:10 ET by stratmanYes. Advancing age plus long term diabetes does trend more non-traumatic lower extremety amputations. Additionally, "[M]ore than 60 percent of nontraumatic lower-limb amputations occur in people with diabetes."
More than weight control is important for reducing risk for diabetic related, non-traumatic lower extremety amputation. Other factors that must be controlled include blood glucose, blood pressure, cholesterol, and proper foot care.
Diabetic related, non-traumatic lower extremety amputation has at it's root causes long standing, poorly controlled diabetes which results in
One of the most important measures a diabetic can do to prevent amputation is appropriate daily foot care.
Agree that amputation is a very high price to pay.
"We assume that the
August 13, 2009 - 22:45 ET by MikeB"We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally"
I believe that to be a false assumption. I also believe his statements are not "mistakes", but rather intentional distortions so that his socialist agenda can become enacted. And, if anyone calls him out on any of his statements, they will be labelled as racist, Nazi, or in the pocket of big pharma or big medicine.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
He's either doing it intentionally ....
August 13, 2009 - 22:49 ET by Tom Blumer.... or on this topic, he's dumber than a box of rocks.
Maybe he'll tell us which one it is.
this whole "misspoke" thing is getting old
August 13, 2009 - 22:57 ET by candanceJust like how he keeps misspeaking about a specialist being unable to communicate with a family doctor.
Or greedy pediatricians getting big bucks for surgeries they are not even licensed to do.
Or AARP endorsing him when they said they never did.
Once is a mistake. Three is a pattern. Looks to me like Obama will say whatever it takes to get his point across.
Candance
August 13, 2009 - 23:03 ET by Cool ArrowAnd gosh, I miss those tonsils getting infected every two months.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool One: And isn't this a
August 14, 2009 - 09:25 ET by QueenMumCool One: And isn't this a part of Obama's problem? He's likely always been healthy and, in the grand scheme of things, he's still young. His perspective on the subject is based solely on his own experience. Not that the POTUS needs to be of a "certain age" to be credible. Just that a leader needs to be able to see beyond his/her own stage of life. Of course, this is typical of the far left. No historical perspective or willingness to consider the consequences beyond a narrow goal.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Misspoke about Caterpillar
August 14, 2009 - 04:38 ET by NorthCoasterHow many have they laid off since the stimulus was supposed to allow the company to re-call laid off workers. Sooo, the stimulus is a mistake too. By the time all of that money kicks in, just before the next election, at may be too late for "Dear Leader" to benefit. .........And we think Joe Biden has hoof in mouth............
They are just being careful
August 14, 2009 - 07:43 ET by motherbeltThey are just being careful not to accuse him outright, but I agree with you...three is a pattern.
His misinformation about diabetics is more proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Does he really think that doctors don't treat diabetics' foot problems, or practice preventive medicine?
In our family practioner's exam room, there is a poster on the wall that says "If you are diabetic, please remove your shoes and socks."
It doesn't say "if you are diabetic and are having problems with your feet."
His lack of medical knowledge is evident, but his portrayal of doctors as taking the more lucrative path is simply appalling.
He knows next to nothing about diabetes. One can be scrupulous in one's following of the diabetic regimen, and still have complications. It happened to my brother-in-law. In spite of doing everything right, he had high blood pressure, foot problems, kidney failure, and his sight was deteriorating (in his 50s)!
Diabetes is a terrible disease. For the President to imply that doctors would let their patients deteriorate to the point of amputation to make money is simply unconscionable. Does he think doctors get kickbacks from surgeons for every patient they refer??? I guess doctors and surgeons aren't considered "helping professions" like Michelle Obama's nurses and social workers?
He owes every family doctor, internist and surgeon in this country an abject apology. That's on top of the pediatricians.
Which group will he insult next....oncologists? Accuse them of keeping patients alive just to make more money?
→ Blumer
August 13, 2009 - 22:58 ET by Cool ArrowI think maybe he "acted stupidly".
What was it KC Mullville called it? Jackpot Justice"
I can just see those surgeons going into conclave to figure out ways to chop off feet without getting snared by the pack of ambulance chasers.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Can I sit at the adult's table?
August 13, 2009 - 23:00 ET by nwahsI'm on you all's side for this one :D
RIP Les Paul
I am the mob. Don't tread on me.
→ nwahs
August 13, 2009 - 23:09 ET by Cool ArrowWe couldn't possibly disagree on everything.
And if we agreed on everything, one of us would be redundent.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
NWAHS
August 14, 2009 - 04:41 ET by NorthCoasterGlad to have your agreement.
Is this temporary or are you slowly coming over to the dark side?
nwahs in medical need?
August 14, 2009 - 06:47 ET by ThisnThatHere are some other comments from backwards Shawn: Obama's comments were disgusting. . . Doctors are doing all they can now to educate patients.
We might have a sick patient on our hands. Everyone pitch in, and let's get him to the doctor for a checkup.
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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT
Yes, he is. Obama has a
August 13, 2009 - 23:03 ET by celatorYes, he is. Obama has a chilling habit of simply making up scenarios and "examples" to make a point.
That little red sign in his brain that flashes "Don't say that because within minutes you'll be exposed as a bald faced liar" doesn't seem to be working very well.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
cel... I don't think that
August 13, 2009 - 23:17 ET by bigtimercel...
I don't think that little red sign has ever been there in the first place.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT.. I think you are
August 13, 2009 - 23:20 ET by celatorBT.. I think you are probably right. It must have gotten Alinskied out of his brain when he was very young. ;+}
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
The end...
August 14, 2009 - 05:26 ET by okiehawk44The end justifies the means -- Motto of the Clintons and the Obamas and ALL of their close aides, confidantes, financial supporters and friends.
Nothing they do is a mistake. Be very afraid!
Dumber than a Box of Rocks
August 14, 2009 - 09:24 ET by kilrodI'm gonna go ahead and go with "Dumber than a Box of Rocks" on this subject are any other, and i'm thinkin like the Mt. Everest box of rocks.!!~~!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
...than two boxes of
August 14, 2009 - 10:47 ET by mattm...than two boxes of rocks!
The guy is a brainwashed puppet of the far left.
What the heck is wrong with
August 14, 2009 - 00:57 ET by ckc1227What the heck is wrong with these people? Obama is demonizing their profession every chance he gets and they're making excuses for him?
CKC
August 14, 2009 - 04:45 ET by NorthCoasterI can't wait for the alienation of every fellow traveler of "The One". At the rate he is going, this should happen about midterm.
This one touches me and angers me
August 13, 2009 - 22:51 ET by legacyrepublicanMy mother passed away hours after necessary surgery to amputate her leg due to a degenerating circulatory condition from an auto immune disease. It was the disease that took her life.
The surgeon was compassionate, professional, and very competent. I thanked him for his taking such good care of her and doing his best. He was a hero to me. Still is.
He did not charge us any where near $50,000, but I would have paid it to him because of his skill and desire to do what was best for my mother.
The President owes these quality professionals with a skill that we all may one day need a sincere apology!
give the dems a break
August 13, 2009 - 23:00 ET by candanceThey are running out of professions to demonize that haven't become unionized or taken over by the government.
And sorry about your mom.
Thank you
August 14, 2009 - 00:15 ET by legacyrepublicanThank you. I really miss do miss my mother. I miss her not knowing her grandchildren. I miss not being able to ask what I was like when I was their age. I miss so much more.
But, I don't want to miss what made her last years comfortable and worth living.
She saw herself as a pioneer who was giving doctors a chance to find a cure even though she knew it would take her life. That made the struggle worth it.
About a year ago, I cried when I found out that our great R & D healthcare system that Obama wants to destroy has found a means to cure the disease that she suffered from using adult stem cells ( shhhh, don't tell Obama, he thinks Embryonic cells are the only ones that matter ).
Five years ago, I was cured of a heart condition using technology that was just five years old.
Today, I read in the paper that they are using gene therapy techniques to restore sight in the blind.
We have a medical industry producing miracles and this clown calls them greedy S*Bs to their face and thinks it is a joke.
And in the process, he spits on my mother's grave.
lr... Amen. Obama's a
August 14, 2009 - 00:35 ET by bigtimerlr...
Amen.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Why not name some names, Mr. Prez?
August 13, 2009 - 23:43 ET by carolina09Obama is accusing physicians of committing a crime as a matter of professional habit. He came close to doing something similar to the surgeon who did his grandmother's hip replacement. Maybe he wants to accuse that doctor of criminal and unethical behavior as well? What was that doctor's name, Mr. President?
What an ignoramus!! Call his bluff!!
Fist bumps and 'a-ight' and
August 13, 2009 - 23:48 ET by KevroyFist bumps and 'a-ight' and now 'dissing'. Am I the only one who thinks this guy isn't very presidential??
→ Kevroy
August 13, 2009 - 23:53 ET by Cool ArrowYa dig? He's mos' def hangin' wid his main P, Kevin Johnson. Plays pickup roundball wid da man time to time.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Platitudes and innuendo
August 14, 2009 - 04:53 ET by NorthCoasterAll he has had to do in the past is to spout platitudes and innuendos. When that is all that is needed to agitate a community into action, you learn to do so without even thinking. He gets into his mode of acting and this stuff just pours out of his mouth, like the floodgates are down. The sad thing about it all, is that he appears to be serious about all of these "fishy" stories and opinions.
P.S.I've already sent the link to his Portsmouth townhall meeting to the "flag.gov" site.
Presidential? The only
August 14, 2009 - 06:39 ET by ThisnThatPresidential? The only difference between Barrak Obama, junior Senator, and Barrak Obama, "President" is ----- THE MSM. He didn't get elected based upon experience, patriotism, knowledge of the USA, Constitutional scholarship, or any -- and I mean any -- good works done for this country.
This man is an MSM-made product. That's it. And the only reason his approval ratings are up to 47% is because the MSM is protecting him with every ounce of lies, dis-information, and sleight-of-hand they have.
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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT
But really, what is
August 14, 2009 - 01:58 ET by MidAmericaBut really, what is obama's biggest complaint whether it be doctors, CEO's, bank managers, or whoever? There is a common thread to all of obama's answers to every problem we face both personally and professionally....... The government should be making all the major decisions for all of us, from cradle to grave. Castro must be so proud to not only outlive those who sought to oust him but he may even outlive America.
Complaint
August 14, 2009 - 04:58 ET by NorthCoasterHis biggest complaint is that they have made big bucks, period. He can't stand the fact that they recieve justafiable compensation and perks.
What are you talking about?
August 14, 2009 - 03:20 ET by goldwaterfanMy husband had his leg amputated in 1982, and the cost for the surgeon alone was about $25,000. I am sure the cost has risen exponentially since then, so the president is probably giving a low ball figure.
Amanda......
It's not the figure...it's
August 14, 2009 - 06:07 ET by motherbeltIt's not the figure...it's the fact that he accuses surgeons of doing surgery for the money! And don't forget...he's saying that the surgery is instead of preventive measures! The family doctor or internist is the one who refers patients to surgeons. Does he think those MD's let patients deteriorate because they get a kickback from the surgeon?
The man truly doesn't know what he is talking about on medical care. And he proves it again every time he opens his mouth. He should stick to generalities or just shut up.
MB
August 14, 2009 - 06:40 ET by ThisnThatGood points!
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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT
Exactly, mb. He just keeps
August 14, 2009 - 11:28 ET by QueenMumExactly, mb. He just keeps demonstrating the fact that the officeholders in D.C. have no business deciding anything about medical care.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
$2500 fee for surgeon
August 14, 2009 - 17:33 ET by CharliedocI hope this doesn't hurt your feelings, but I have to call BS on your comment.
no way in heck any insurance ever paid $25K to the Surgeon for an amputation.
Its possible that the hospital charges were that high, but never the SawBones, especially in 1982.
I am eager to discuss, if you can back up this assertion.
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August 14, 2009 - 05:26 ET by BobAnthonyTo sum up my thoughts about the media and their sexual realtionship with corruption.
The reason the media is corrupt? Two words...OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD!
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Cost shift
August 14, 2009 - 05:41 ET by canuckGovernment is the Organized Crime of healthcare. Their underpayment for Medicare and Medicaid is responsible for most of the high costs. Only two changes are needed:
1. Government pay their bills eliminating the cost shift
2. Tort reform capping excessive awards and holding attorneys responsible for costs when they lose cases if their clients do not pay those costs (the Medicaid client).
These two changes would lower the costs to the rest of us by almost forty percent.
Just a Liar
August 14, 2009 - 07:20 ET by rightwingidiotThis Prez is nothing but a massive, serial liar. He can barely get through a conversation much less an hour long town hall or press meeting wtithout telling at least several lies. Especially since health care reform (read: Fed takeover) is one of the things he says will "destroy his Presidency" if he fails to get a bill through.
And, he knows that without a public plan in the bill he's sunk.
He's a say anything kinda guy. I would rather track the truths that come out of his mouth. That would be far easier than trying to keep track of the lies.
President Obama is indeed
August 14, 2009 - 07:33 ET by dscottPresident Obama is indeed the source of much of the misinformation
out there regarding health care reform. In the same Portsmouth, NH town
hall he made a number of misstatements regarding Medicare which I
documented here: http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/08/14/fact-check-of-obamas-portsmouth-town-hall/
As I mentioned this was not an exhaustive fact check of every statement
President Obama made. Quite frankly, given the number of misstatements
it is clearly more than one article could possibly hold without
becoming a novel. I don’t question President Obama’s sincerity of
wanting to do something. However, how can anyone take President Obama
seriously about health care reform when he is so clearly ignorant of
the facts? Sincerity of belief by Obama in what he thinks he knows does
not and can not in any way vouch for the accuracy of his statements. To
believe anything of what Obama says about health care reform one must accept the Imprimatur argument, which is a logical fallacy.
Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity. President Obama is not an evil
person, he is incompetent by virtue of his liberal demagoguery blinding
him to the facts underlying the problems in health care.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
The Whitehouse has
August 14, 2009 - 08:09 ET by MidAmericaThe Whitehouse has released this illustration showing the aggressiveness of surgeons who operate for profit.
Good one, Mid. "The
August 14, 2009 - 09:37 ET by QueenMumGood one, Mid.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Shock and awe?
August 14, 2009 - 09:36 ET by QueenMumIt seems to me that the number Obama threw out was likely the total cost of hospitilization, etc. for such a surgical procedure. However, he clearly took a shot at surgeons again in his statement. Which leads one to believe that he may have "meant" the total cost but, as is his pattern, his subconscious distrust of the medical profession slipped out. The other option is that he purposely used an inflated number, knowing that many in his audience wouldn't know any better and be appalled at the "evil profit motive" that drives doctors. He could then come back when questioned about this "mistake" and say that he meant the total cost of the amputation surgery and hospital care. "Recalibrate", if you will. Of course, his town hall audience is now dispersed and won't be listening. Come to think of it, I see the pattern here.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
Speaking Stupidly
August 14, 2009 - 10:21 ET by slickwillie2001There's an obvious discrepancy here in the numbers. When the Bamster spoke stupidly, he said something like "the surgeon gets thirty to fifty thousand dollars." Clearly the surgeon gets nowhere near that much. On the other hand, if you add in the other fees for hospital stays, cost of prosthetics, physical therapy involved, wheelchairs etc, it could balloon to that figure.
There's also the point that he implied that the same person that doesn't care for the patient properly, also profits from the surgery, which is nonsense. It would likely be a completely different business.
Unintended consequences
August 14, 2009 - 10:51 ET by QueenMumGood point, slick. A diabetic patient's medical care is most often routinely monitored by a family physician and/or an endocronologist. The surgeon is consulted when an amputation becomes necessary. Obama must have received his medical degree from the same mail-order "school" where that woman at Sheila Jackson-Lee's townhall got hers. Or perhaps he fancies himself a doctor because his wife worked for a hospital. Close enough - no?
As I stated in a previous comment, these charges against medical professionals, which Obama is using to scare people, are dangerous. Even if Obamacare never comes to fruition, we now have faithful followers who may forego lifesaving procedures simply because Obama suggested that "doctors can't be trusted to do what's in your best interest".
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
A good question for Obama
August 14, 2009 - 14:36 ET by CooltomA good question for Obama at the next town hall:
"Wouldn't health care costs go down if hospitals did not pay exorbitant salaries, say $300k per year, to executives who aren't even doctors?"
" ... we now have faithful
August 14, 2009 - 15:11 ET by MikeB" ... we now have faithful followers who may forego lifesaving procedures simply because Obama suggested that "doctors can't be trusted to do what's in your best interest".
And, this is a bad thing? Sure, as necro-Americans, they will still vote Democrat, but at least they won't be gobbling up taxpayer monies for food, medical care, shelter, etc.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
I can't let that comment
August 14, 2009 - 17:37 ET by QueenMumI can't let that comment slide, MikeB. You're over the line.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher