No environment-related historical myth seems stronger than the one claiming that if it weren't for the Republican Congress in the late 1990s and President George W. Bush after that, the US would have ratified the Kyoto Treaty and would be under mandatory strictures designed to combat alleged "global warming" -- which, as frequently noted here and elsewhere, has been, depending on the source referenced, on hiatus for eight years to over a decade.
In an article about the Obama administration's upcoming involvement in international negotiations about so-called "climate change" after what he calls "eight years on the sidelines" ("US takes new climate change agenda to global talks"), the Associated Press's Dina Capiello continued the wire service's dishonorable long-term perpetuation of the GOP-bad, Dems-good myth (just a few previous posts on other AP examples are here, here, and here at NewsBusters; here, here, and here at BizzyBlog) by writing that:
And unlike 1997, when the Kyoto Protocol was drafted, there is now a Democratic-controlled Congress moving to embrace mandatory limits on greenhouse gases.
Yeah, if it weren't for those nasty Republicans, Bill Clinton and Al Gore would have gotten Kyoto ratified, and all would be right with the world.
Uh, not exactly.
For the umpteenth time, this is the truth about what happened in 1997, as noted in this 2005 Wall Street Journal editorial:
In 1997, the U.S. Senate adopted the Byrd-Hagel Resolution by 95-0, urging the Clinton Administration not to sign any climate-change protocol that "would result in serious harm to the economy." In 1998 Al Gore signed the Protocol. Yet President Clinton .... never submitted it to the Senate.
At the time, there were 45 Democrats in the Senate. Obviously, at least 40 Democrats voted for the Byrd-Hagel Resolution.
Another clear and inconvenient truth is that Gore's signature was only symbolic.
Finally, the mythology in previous AP articles on the topic is that Bush "rejected" Kyoto, when the fact is that it was never submitted it to the Senate in the first place.
The difference between 2009 and 1997 is not, as Capiello implies, that Congress is controlled by Democrats. It's that there is a Congress that happens to be controlled by Democrats may be, as Capiello claims without qualification and without providing clear evidence, "moving to embrace mandatory limits on greenhouse gases."
One thing that hasn't changed is AP's dogged and disgraceful insistence on misleading readers about what really happened with Kyoto.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters
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That's what you get when
March 28, 2009 - 13:57 ET by NewsbusterbrownThat's what you get when Keith Olbermann is your fact checker. :-)
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Clinton wanted Kyoto but the Right-Wingers said no
March 28, 2009 - 14:25 ET by SterlingOh my, what a load of baloney. Let us review history sophist. Clinton supported the Kyoto Protocol; he knew that the Republican controlled congress would not ratify the treaty so he had Mr. Gore sign it to show the world that his administration stood in solidarity in the fight against Global Warming. Even though the Clinton administration never submitted the Protocol to congress which he knew would be turned down- he did reduced Greenhouse gas emissions to a most acceptable level.
Let us next fast forward to the Bush Administration- Bush never said that he was against Kyoto. His argument for not submitting it to Congress for ratification was that the Protocol gave the People’s Republic of China to mush leeway. In fact, in 2007 his administration led an effort to put forth a new cap and trade system that he hoped would be ratified in this year.
What can we take from this- both Presidents supported Kyoto but they had problems with a right-winged Congress; the only caveat is that the Clinton Administration did not have enough time to address the protocol to the American people- Bush on the other had could have put amendments or other such devices in the Protocol and have it passed; After all he did have eight years. Now that is the truth!
I would like to give credit
March 28, 2009 - 14:46 ET by eaglewingz08I would like to give credit to Bush for rejecting Kyoto. It was a high point of his Administration. The media claims that was something bad, but just look at all the evasions in Europe of Kyoto and you know that the only country in the world that would have shot itself in the head by ratifying that brazen unamerican Treaty would have been the US. Every other country in the world would then come over to the US to cripple our industries, for failing to adopt and enforce the anti industrial text of Kyoto. It was a disaster narrowly averted. However, Obama seems to be doing his best to be remembered in the same league as Benedict (Barack) Arnold and Mudd.
Sterling, I am trying to figure out if you're serious ....
March 28, 2009 - 15:06 ET by Tom Blumer.... and I hope not.
Being Green Is No Laughing Matter
March 28, 2009 - 15:25 ET by Sterling"Sterling, I am trying to figure out if your serious... and I hope not."
Honestly, I do not even know what you are trying to get at. Everything that was written by me was factual. Unlike you sir, I do not get my facts from Chris Horner; who has been the great myth maker in this Kyoto Protocol rhetoric. Mr. Horner is a rabid anti-conservationist who never saw a tree that he did not want to cut down.
On a side note, I do hope that you inform your readers about the splendid event tonight that shows that each of us are committed to a cleaner planet. Let us all turn off our lights at 8:30 EST to show our commitment in a keeping God’s Earth clean. From London, to the pyramids of Giza, to our own backyards we must show that the world is unified in our mission.
Sterling ....
March 28, 2009 - 15:57 ET by Tom Blumer.... what about 95-0 on the 1997 Senate resolution that had 40+ Dem votes, and that in essence said "don't you dare bring that crap in here," don't you understand?
Mr. Blumer
March 28, 2009 - 16:16 ET by Sterling".... what about 95-0 on the 1997 Senate resolution that had 40+ Dem votes, and that in essence said "don't you dare bring that crap in here," don't you understand?"
Now it seems that you are changing your tune. First my fine fellow, you state that Clinton did not submit the Protocol to the Senate because of “so-called” economic maladies and false externalities that the CEI and other right-wingers continue to propagate. Now, you are saying the Senate said no thanks to the Clinton Administration. So I suppose we are both in agreement that Clinton wanted the Protocol but the Republican controlled Senate refused.
Finally, the vote that you so confidently note was only expressing the “Sense of the Senate”. It really meant nothing- that is to say it was not binding. It was just a bunch of Senators too afraid to act on what was right, rather than see a backlash in the next election- for we all know how the right wing smear machine runs. It seems that I understand this issue and the history of it all too well.
This is pathetic....
March 28, 2009 - 17:00 ET by Tom BlumerSterling, the "sense of the Senate vote told Clinton that "if you're stupid enough to submit Kyoto for a Senate vote, we're going to resoundingly vote it down."
And it would have been voted down by the same 95-0 or barely less, which would have included a probable majority of Democrats. It would have been a horrible embarrassment, so Clinton decided not to submit it.
Most DEMOCRAT senators didn't want Kyoto in 1997 either. The historical record is crystal clear, and your historical revisionism won't change that.
And in case you didn't notice, the earth isn't warming.
Gotta Go Earth Hour is upon
March 28, 2009 - 18:53 ET by SterlingI would love to continue this scintillating debate with you all; seeing that I am winning so resoundingly- but I must go. For in half an hour I am turning off all my power and becoming one with nature. I hope some of you join me in Earth Hour festivities tonight. Regards friends!
Sterling: Losing so resoundingly
March 28, 2009 - 18:59 ET by PopularTechYou have been utterly destroyed by reality Sterling. Not one single Democratic Senator voted for Kyoto.
US Senate Rejects Kyoto 95-0 (Byrd-Hagel Resolution, 1997)
Your claims of only the "right-wing" stopping Kyoto are ignorant to History.
Who would waste their time turning off lights? ROFLMAO!
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Thats good, Sterling. Go celebrate human "progress"
March 28, 2009 - 19:00 ET by R D Helm...by pretending you are living in the 18th Century.
LOL-Sure hope you don't trip over any furniture and bust your ass while you are fumbling around in the dark looking for that bong.
:-^)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
I'll turn on all my electrical devices, Thank You
March 28, 2009 - 19:02 ET by CobraManSince so many people are turning off their their power for the next hour, I will turn on all my electrical devices so the grid doesn't temperance a voltage drop and kick off-line a lot of the generators. I suggest others do the same.
Do you know how much power (fuel) it will take to restart those generator AFTER "earth hour" is over and electrical demand suddenly increases? It'll take far more power to restart them than the power saved by following this silly "demonstration." Talk about a self-defeating purpose!
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The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
25 minutes & counting
March 28, 2009 - 19:04 ET by BlondeUntil lights on.
I plan on taking a walk around the neighborhood to see who the asshats are, too.
I hope he fails, too.
Hey Blonde
March 28, 2009 - 19:12 ET by sherylsimsDo you know if the lights on thing is the same everywhere? Or is ours (here on the west coast) in three hours? Because it is still fully light out here. Nobody will see my flagrant use of electricity right now.
Back at you sheryl
March 28, 2009 - 19:15 ET by BlondeAs I understand this stupid liberal trick, it's 8:30 p.m. for an hour in each time zone....so kind of rolling darkness...or light (depending)...that's the theory!
I hope he fails, too.
Rolling Darkness - great.
March 28, 2009 - 19:21 ET by Jack BauerRolling Darkness - great. Just about sums up the Green Shirts mind. Won't be happy until we live in Stone Age splendor.
Can't wait for the revolution when the normal folks finally get up off their knees and knee-cap these totalitarian creeps. You really can push people too far.
They should leave them off
March 28, 2009 - 19:24 ET by CobraManThey should leave them off, permanently. That is, if they're serious about saving the environment anyways. As Weird Al said: Tonight we're going to party like it's 1699!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Just turned on my A.C.
March 28, 2009 - 19:48 ET by BlondeIt's 78 degrees, humid, with no breeze here toinight.
I figured this was as good a time as any to kick off my air conditioner for the year!
Relax and enjoy, all, nice and cool in my lit up living room.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde...May I please come over?
March 28, 2009 - 20:50 ET by JerMay I please come over? I'm sitting here in my underwear in a stuffy, completely darkened room save for the light emitted by my obsolete computer monitor and eating a slice of cold leftover pizza. How much longer am I suppose to endure this nonsense?
Jer
I'm taking names,
March 28, 2009 - 19:24 ET by JerI'm taking names, sheryl...your conspicuous consumption will be duly noted and filed at the Civilian National Security Force HQ.
Jer
I will take that chance Jer
March 28, 2009 - 19:33 ET by sherylsimsIf it works anything like my husband's federal job the more I use the more I will get next year. Whoopie!!!
Being slightly photophobic,
March 28, 2009 - 19:10 ET by Jack BauerBeing slightly photophobic, normally I keep lights dimmed and switch them off whenever possible, but tonight I have every light blazing like the Vegas strip.
Man, that's feels good!
I Thought You Wanted To Help Save The Planet?
March 28, 2009 - 19:30 ET by dboI hope some of you join me in Earth Hour festivities tonight
Because of the law of unintended consequences, Earth Hour will increase CO2 emissions.
Smearing Christopher Horner
March 28, 2009 - 18:49 ET by PopularTechSterling you are unable to back up one of your ridiculous claims about Mr. Horner.
I just turned all my lights on.
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Revisionist
March 28, 2009 - 15:38 ET by dboEven though the Clinton administration never submitted the Protocol to
congress which he knew would be turned down- he did reduced Greenhouse
gas emissions to a most acceptable level.
Do you make this stuff up as you go?
Clinton Tried
March 28, 2009 - 15:45 ET by SterlingKyoto was not enacted until 2005 well after Clinton left office. That means Bush had 4 years and his whole second term to join the Internal Community in fighting against Global Warming. Six of those eight years America was ruled by a draconian right who would much rather pass important legislation on renaming French Fries, “Freedom Fries”. Give me a break- at least Clinton tried.
Just Wrong
March 28, 2009 - 17:05 ET by RpeggioYou're history of the Kyoto Treaty is just wrong Sterling. I liked Clinton, and I liked him primarily because of his pro-capitalism, pro-business policies, including NAFTA and his cutting of cap gains to 25% and so on. And yes, including his saying no to Kyoto.
1997
March 28, 2009 - 17:07 ET by Rpeggiohttp://en.wikipedia....
Typical Fiberal Bait and Switch
March 28, 2009 - 18:18 ET by dboGive me a break- at least Clinton tried
A lot of gobbledegoop in there but you never addressed the question. You said "Even though the Clinton administration never submitted the Protocol to
congress... he did reduced [sic] Greenhouse
gas emissions to a most acceptable level". The year before Clinton took office (1992) U.S. Co2 emissions grew at 2.1%. The last year of Clinton's term (2000) Co2 grew at 3.0%. Your whole comment was just a sideshow.
1997, you mean
March 28, 2009 - 18:39 ET by CobraManSter, the Kyoto Protocol was "enacted' in 1997. It was "signed' by Vice President Gore in 1998. It just wasn't ratified by the US Congress.
"On 12 November 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol."
Source
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...and failed. Thankfully so
March 28, 2009 - 19:13 ET by UnsaneYou should learn to be more thankful, Sterling. If Bush had joined the "international community in fighting against global warming", this nation would be well within the Fourth World. But something tells me you want exactly that.
And the Republicans who were so evil and oppressive to you DARED to let you have some of your own money back. But, no doubt that so enraged you, as Government Knows Best How To Spend Money, that you mailed back your share of the tax cuts and refunds back to the Treasury Department, along with extra money. (Really, the irony of Sterling calling the days of the Republican Congress "draconian" when Sterling so deeply aches for the government to strictly micromanage, control and regiment every single moment of his existence is just too much.) This, among other horrible oppression you endured - why didn't you get on a raft made of various odds and ends from around your house and sail to that beacon of freedom called Cuba?
And I hate to break your heart, but 95 Senators shot down the Kyoto Protocol in the late 1990s. (Clinton could have tried all he wanted, but last time I checked, only the Senate can ratify treaties, according to the Constitution.) I can't remember any point under that evil regime under which you were more oppressed than the average North Korean when the Senate had any more than 53 or 54 Republican Senators. That makes the vote a fairly bipartisan one.
Those that have ratified that crappy treaty - which exempts such nations as China, India, Brazil, and Mexico, among others - are having a miserable time staying within its constraints. Canada is among them; oh sure, it COULD work to discourage the production of oil in the Albertan tar sands, but that can't happen because 1) the current PM is an Albertan and 2) this activity has been the main economic engine driving Canada for much of this decade.
It seems you have bought in, hook, line, and sinker, into the religion of global warming. So, bearing that in mind, here are some questions:
1) If the Kyoto Protocol is meant to solve this problem, why are China, India, Mexico, and Brazil, among others, totally exempt from it? Is the pollution from such developing nations somehow beneficial to the globe?
2) What human activity in 1780 caused Exit Glacier in AK to begin retreat?
3) Why did it snow SOUTH and east of San Antonio, a city that itself very rarely gets snow, for Christmas 2004?
4) Why did South Africa get a rare bout of snow in the winter of 2007?
5) Why did Iraq see snow for the first time in decades in January 2008?
I might have more but this will do for now...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Snow in San Antonio is not unusual
March 28, 2009 - 20:11 ET by PopularTechSan Antonio's 1985 Snowfall Worst in 100 Years
"In San Antonio, 13.2 inches of snow fell in the 24 hours ending early Sunday. The city's record for an entire winter's snowfall was 7.4 inches, set in 1926."
My apologies for the link.
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You are trying to compete with a native resident's knowledge
March 28, 2009 - 20:58 ET by UnsanePoppy, you are talking to a San Antonio native. Yes, I know all about the snow of January 1985. Did you also know that during that week (of the 12th) you could not find a roll of film anywhere in town? There IS a REASON for that. The reason: snow is pretty damn rare in San Antonio. (Lots and lots of people taking lots of pictures of this, because all the locals knew that day was not to return for a long, long time. There are many people who have grown up in San Antonio who have never seen a single snowflake.)
For most of the 20 years that have passed since then I have lived in San Antonio or its environs, and I can attest to not seeing a single snowflake there in that time.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I just proved that Snow in San Antonio is not unsual
March 28, 2009 - 21:17 ET by PopularTechIt happened in 1985, 24 years ago. Looks like your wrong again.
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Actually, no you didn't
March 29, 2009 - 14:02 ET by UnsaneExactly, idiot. TWENTY-FOUR YEARS AGO. There is an entire generation that, assuming they never left San Antonio, has never seen a real life snowflake. That is because events such as the one you point to and crow about are extremely rare.
I don't know about you but I don't know of many cities that point to a single snow event every year (12 January in this case) during the local weather forecasts with the weather forecaster asking "Where were YOU on this date in (1985, in the case of San Antonio)?" This is because, whether you like it or not, snow is extremely rare in San Antonio.
Again, Poppy, you are dumb enough to pick a fight with a native San Antonian on this topic...one who has lived in San Antonio longer than you have been alive on this earth. If you wish for me to completely embarrass you further, keep going. If you wish to keep whatever traces of your dignity you have left, I suggest moving on to another topic.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Try Again
April 1, 2009 - 00:51 ET by PopularTechYou are apparently ignorant of San Antonio weather history to claim that some recent flurries are unique to a location that received 13 inches of snow 24 years ago. Try again, this time try to get it right.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Learn where and when to pick and choose your battles
April 1, 2009 - 01:40 ET by UnsaneWrong. YOU get it RIGHT by ANSWERING questions.
Why are you so insistent in picking a fight with a San Antonio native, one who has lived there longer than you have been ALIVE? Are you that obsessed with the idea of embarrassing yourself?
Throw all the links and act like a know-it-all all you want; you won't compete with the knowledge that over 20 years of living in San Antonio gives me.
If snow is such a common event in San Antonio:
1) Why does the city shut down almost entirely if no precipitation occurs but daily highs are not expected to climb out of the mid-30s?
2) Why did schools and other businesses close over conditions that rendered the high as reaching the mid-20s with a threat of precipitation?
3) Why did a major local grocery chain sell commemorative books celebrating snow that occurred SOUTH and EAST of the city in Christmas 2004?
4) Why is it that every 12 January local weather forecasters remind us of what happened on that day in 1985?
5) Why is it that the snowfall that occurred in 1985 make the national headlines?
6) Why is it that during that week, you could no get any photographic film, anywhere, if snow is so common and not a big deal?
7) Why is it that every single Christmas, we have local weather forecasters that go into great depth about the chances, no matter how small, for a White Christmas, and point out to us, every single year, that NONE has occurred in the recorded weather history of San Antonio?
8) Hell, why is it that one of the local affiliates has a weather forecaster that has an OBSESSIVE DEVOTION to snow, and will not shut up about even the remotest possibility of snow from between November and say late February (when he finally gives up)?
9) Why is it the forecast of snow, or indeed, cold weather, induces panic amongst the population, and drives the local population to clear off grocery shelves in a bid to stock up?
10) Why does the City of San Antonio and TXDoT have next to nothing, save some gravel for icy conditions, to deal with cold weather conditions, to include snow?
11) Why is the fall of a single snowflake in the city of San Antonio a major headline grabbing event?
Your own words, knowitall. I am the native, you are not. If you can't answer these questions with a modicum of intellectual honesty, then STFD and STFU.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Clueless in San Antonio
April 1, 2009 - 06:51 ET by PopularTech13 inches in 1985 = your theory destroyed. Like I said clueless in San Antonio.
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Just walk away
April 6, 2009 - 19:48 ET by Unsane2009-1985= 24.
TWENTY-FOUR YEARS AGO, IDIOT. And it grabbed national headlines for a reason. (If you answered the questions like a good little boy, you'd figure out why.)
Once again, you show me how clueless YOU are by insisting on arguing with a native of the area. Worse, you act like the expert on the area when I bet you haven't been in TX one day in your short life.
And thank you for demonstrating that when presented with questions, you cannot and will not answer them. You lose.
Walk away before I embarrass you further.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
By popular demand (since you can't answer questions)
April 6, 2009 - 19:55 ET by UnsaneThrow all the links and act like a know-it-all all you want; you won't compete with the knowledge that over 20 years of living in San Antonio gives me.
If snow is such a common event in San Antonio:
1) Why does the city shut down almost entirely if no precipitation occurs but daily highs are not expected to climb out of the mid-30s?
2) Why did schools and other businesses close over conditions that rendered the high as reaching the mid-20s with a threat of precipitation?
3) Why did a major local grocery chain sell commemorative books celebrating snow that occurred SOUTH and EAST of the city in Christmas 2004?
4) Why is it that every 12 January local weather forecasters remind us of what happened on that day in 1985?
5) Why is it that the snowfall that occurred in 1985 make the national headlines?
6) Why is it that during that week, you could no get any photographic film, anywhere, if snow is so common and not a big deal?
7) Why is it that every single Christmas, we have local weather forecasters that go into great depth about the chances, no matter how small, for a White Christmas, and point out to us, every single year, that NONE has occurred in the recorded weather history of San Antonio?
8) Hell, why is it that one of the local affiliates has a weather forecaster that has an OBSESSIVE DEVOTION to snow, and will not shut up about even the remotest possibility of snow from between November and say late February (when he finally gives up)?
9) Why is it the forecast of snow, or indeed, cold weather, induces panic amongst the population, and drives the local population to clear off grocery shelves in a bid to stock up?
10) Why does the City of San Antonio and TXDoT have next to nothing, save some gravel for icy conditions, to deal with cold weather conditions, to include snow?
11) Why is the fall of a single snowflake in the city of San Antonio a major headline grabbing event?
Your own words, knowitall. I am the native, you are not. If you can't answer these questions with a modicum of intellectual honesty, then STFD and STFU.
Now, coming in here saying that ONE weather event TWENTY-FOUR YEARS AGO "destroys" my "theory" is not an answer. To anything.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
You have no knowledge
April 8, 2009 - 01:00 ET by PopularTechJust bad research and no memory. Try harder next time.
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No ability to think critically
April 8, 2009 - 10:45 ET by UnsaneAnd you have zero ability to critically think.
I hand you a list of questions and all you have is are smartass comments. Continue to thrash you head against the wall of 20 years of knowledge, little boy.
Better, because snow has to be SO COMMON in my hometown, because it snowed 13 inches there 24 years ago, and because you know absolutely everything there is to know about weather in south TX, you can answer this question quite easily, I am sure.
Compute the total amount of snowfall for the city of San Antonio since Jan 1985.
When you are done doing that, I want the total amount of snowfall the city has had since records were kept.
For the rest of you, these are the only responses Fabio Jr is capable of:
1) Bibs,
2) Smartass comments,
3) Whines about how poor Poppy is getting "smeared",
4) ROFLMAO!!!!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Apparently living there doesn't help
April 8, 2009 - 20:14 ET by PopularTechyour memory. ROFLMAO!
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ROFLMAO!!!
April 29, 2009 - 12:20 ET by UnsaneIt sure is greater than one who probably hasn't spent a nanosecond in Texas. ROFLMAO!
There IS a REASON a popular t-shirt here from some years ago said "If God had meant Texans to ski he would have b---s--- come out white!" ROFLMAO!
Say, Poppy, since you are SO SMART and know even more about San Antonio than the people who actually LIVE there and have lived there, why don't you come down here when you are all grown up and open a ski resort? After all, since it snowed 13 inches here in January 1985, snow is such a common event! This should be EASY MONEY for you! Right?
ROFLMAO!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Questions
April 8, 2009 - 10:47 ET by UnsaneIf snow is such a common event in San Antonio:
1) Why does the city shut down almost entirely if no precipitation occurs but daily highs are not expected to climb out of the mid-30s?
2) Why did schools and other businesses close over conditions that rendered the high as reaching the mid-20s with a threat of precipitation?
3) Why did a major local grocery chain sell commemorative books celebrating snow that occurred SOUTH and EAST of the city in Christmas 2004?
4) Why is it that every 12 January local weather forecasters remind us of what happened on that day in 1985?
5) Why is it that the snowfall that occurred in 1985 make the national headlines?
6) Why is it that during that week, you could no get any photographic film, anywhere, if snow is so common and not a big deal?
7) Why is it that every single Christmas, we have local weather forecasters that go into great depth about the chances, no matter how small, for a White Christmas, and point out to us, every single year, that NONE has occurred in the recorded weather history of San Antonio?
8) Hell, why is it that one of the local affiliates has a weather forecaster that has an OBSESSIVE DEVOTION to snow, and will not shut up about even the remotest possibility of snow from between November and say late February (when he finally gives up)?
9) Why is it the forecast of snow, or indeed, cold weather, induces panic amongst the population, and drives the local population to clear off grocery shelves in a bid to stock up?
10) Why does the City of San Antonio and TXDoT have next to nothing, save some gravel for icy conditions, to deal with cold weather conditions, to include snow?
11) Why is the fall of a single snowflake in the city of San Antonio a major headline grabbing event?
Just answer the questions, little boy, in your very own words.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
What part of 95-0 Do you not understanding Sterling?
March 28, 2009 - 20:04 ET by PopularTechIt was not the right-wingers but the WHOLE Senate which included 45 Democrats.
US Senate Rejects Kyoto 95-0 (Byrd-Hagel Resolution, 1997)
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Bottom Line
March 28, 2009 - 14:50 ET by RpeggioAP is really getting more and more liberal biased...it's really sickening to see what's happened to the old MSM. Truth be told on Kyoto, Gore wanted it, Clinton didn't...because Clinton understood how it would adversely impact our energy industry and economy. Gore would have pushed it through like Obama will, ignoring the economic hit we'd take...just as he's ignoring the adverse impact of his crazy debt and deficit spending thus far. The world's getting tired of Obama's ways and the tea-parties are becoming more abundant and larger...watch how many there are on April 15th...it's gonna be like a bunch of mini-woodstocks around the country...wonder if the AP and other old media can continue to ignore it. They report heavily on one bus full of Acorn folks visiting a few homes of AIG execs, but don't report on the many tea parties number in the thousands of picketers across the country. Sad.
Let them blame Bush and
March 28, 2009 - 15:12 ET by danboLet them blame Bush and the Republicans. (Even if it is BS)
The SCAM of AGW is coming unraveled and the left is getting shriller and shriller.
By blaming the republicans and Bush: they'll get credit for seeing reality. Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer have an albatross around their necks. It's called James Hansen.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Too bad it's not just the AP.
March 28, 2009 - 15:12 ET by pbthinkerThe AP couldn't get away with this distortion of history on its own. First of all, who benefits from this fairy tale? Democrats of course. Will anynews organization, in this country, give the public the truth about the Democrats? Of course not!
We don't want a biased press, we want a fair press, one that is worthy of the freedom of the press our constitution provides it. Is that too much to ask?
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
So, Sterling supports a treaty that, if it were enacted...
March 28, 2009 - 16:19 ET by R D Helm...would turn this country into an economic basket case.
Wow, color me surprised.
Besides, the unintelligent among us who are so uneducated as to actually believe in AGW can now rest easy, as their ACTUAL goal of putting this country's economy on life support and robbing us of our freedoms and liberties is going to be brought about by the Organizer anyway.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Before Al Gore Invented Global Warming.
March 28, 2009 - 16:44 ET by lareeBefore Al Gore Invented Global Warming or Global Warming Baloney Thanks Newsbusters :)
http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/2009/03/before-al-gore-invented-global-warming.html
Re Gore's hour
March 28, 2009 - 16:54 ET by slickwillie2001I'm counting down to 8:30. The grille will be lit at about 8pm and loaded with lots of wood chips for smoke. I've cleaned off the top of the oven so I can run the self-clean cycle, and I must remember to test my A/C system. I have to get to every light in the house to turn it on, but perhaps will pass on those that don't show from outdoors. This is a public protest, after all.
I wonder if my home can be seen from the space station?
Rent a shearchlight.
March 28, 2009 - 18:52 ET by CobraManRent a searchlight. They can be seen from space and they use a diesel generator for a power source. That sure would shake up the envronuts.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Beam the ass man signal into the sky
March 28, 2009 - 19:34 ET by Jack BauerThat's funny Cobra -- go for it.
Next year we'll have to see if we can arrange for a mass searchlight campaign... like the BAT SIGNAL... suggetsions on what to use instead of the bat shape.
How about Al Gore's FAT ASS.
slick, I have had to postpone my smoke protest until tomorrow
March 28, 2009 - 18:54 ET by R D HelmIt has been raining most of the day, and there is lightning around, and Weber hasn't yet come out with a rubber grill.
Which is actually okay, because I will be able to do it on my actual birthday. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
The Truth about Kyoto
March 28, 2009 - 18:55 ET by PopularTechGlenn Beck had this in his Gobal Warming Documentary:
The Truth about Al Gore and Kyoto (Video) (2min)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
In your own words
March 28, 2009 - 19:15 ET by UnsaneIt is child's play for any of us to find out what Glenn Beck thinks about global warming.
What do YOU think about global warming, in your own words, with no links?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
WTF? Are you serious?
March 28, 2009 - 19:25 ET by PopularTechGlenn's video is the most concise on this subject. My opinion is irrelevant to the information in this video. You need to figure out who's side you are on. It is like dumb and dumber.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
In Your Own Words
March 28, 2009 - 21:05 ET by UnsaneGlenn's video is the most concise on this subject. And indeed, it is Glenn Beck's video, conveying Glenn Beck's opinions on the matter.
My opinion is irrelevant to the information in this video. I want to know if YOU HAVE ONE and are otherwise able to think for yourself. You can tell me all day long what Glenn Beck thinks, and that's fine. But I want to know what YOU THINK.
You need to figure out who's side you are on. It is like dumb and dumber. Actually, I am trying to figure out if you are ON a side. This requires you thinking on your own and formulating sentences in your own words. Not vomiting bibs. I can't throw a pile of books on my prof's desk and say "Here, read all 50 sources and you'll have my research paper" and then attack the prof for daring to ask me anything of the research or what I think of it. Nor should you.
If you want to know whose side I am on, read my posts, written by me and pointing to sources when appropriate. Thinking and writing in your very own words can get you very far in this world. Try it sometime.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Has Newsbusters become an insane asylum?
March 28, 2009 - 21:25 ET by PopularTechYou have no idea who's side I am on in the global warming debate? ROFLMAO!!!! Has Newsbusters become an insane asylum?
Listen clueless boy, I did not post the video for Glenn's opinion on anything. I posted it because it concisely explains the point of this thread in VIDEO form with clips to emphasize the points.
Your dumb and dumber posts are just that.
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ROFLMAO!!!
March 29, 2009 - 14:07 ET by UnsaneSo, you are Glenn Beck all of a sudden? ROFLMAO!!!
Sorry, Poppy, but I want to see your own words. ROFLMAO!!! I know what all these other people and organizations you endlessly, mindlessly link to are thinking on the subject, but not YOU. ROFLMAO!!!
You call me "clueless boy", yet you demonstrate again and again and again your total inability to think for your very own little self. ROFLMAO!!!
You don't think for yourself, you refuse to think critically, and your posts are prrof of that.
And one more thing: ROFLMAO!!!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Clueless Boy
April 1, 2009 - 00:53 ET by PopularTechDoes not know what side of the GW debate I am on. You are an embarrassment to NBs.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Stop the blame game, child
April 1, 2009 - 01:43 ET by UnsaneQuit blaming me for YOUR total inability/refusal to articulate an idea or position on a subject in YOUR own words.
I really don't think you can make the call on who is an embarrassment to NB or not. Especially since you, one who cannot articulate an idea or single thought in your very own words, is calling out one who routinely, constantly does so.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
ROFLMAO!!!
April 1, 2009 - 06:47 ET by PopularTechEpic Fail
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Huh?
April 6, 2009 - 19:50 ET by UnsaneHuh? ROFLMAO!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Dumb and Dumber
March 28, 2009 - 19:39 ET by PopularTechWow why post the video when I can do this:
There is a clip on Youtube that I could easily link to that concisely explains the Kyoto protocol and how congress voted made by Glenn Beck but instead I am going to waste your time typing all this instead of just linking to the video. Well if I linked to the video you would see Bush talking, Clinton, Gore and Beck. Um well yeah and it is in the video which I am not going to link to because it makes more sense for me to type this. I mean why link to a video that concisely explain something when you could keep reading this! Ok the video is 1:44 minutes long and you have to search for it. I know that is not a waste of time nor is reading this. They interview Chris Horner and talk about Byrd-Hagel and yeah you know. Keep reading. It is obviously childs play to find this and why would I waste your time linking directly to it when I could keep typing on and on. So did I say it was 1:44 minutes long? Anyway Beck tells you all this quickly in 1:44 minutes but I think you should keep reading. Now if you watch the video there are different clips from press conferences and interviews and Beck talking, Bush, Clinton, Gore and um yeah...
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PT... Link
March 28, 2009 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerPT...
Link saved...excellent...says it all, snug as rug in a nutshell.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Why did you do that?
March 28, 2009 - 20:00 ET by PopularTechSave my commentary instead and email it to people. They will be super like totally convinced by that evidence!
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The power of critical thinking
March 29, 2009 - 14:09 ET by UnsaneMaybe, maybe not, but at least you will have demonstrated to others that you can think for yourself.
ROFLMAO!!!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Beyond Clueless
April 1, 2009 - 00:54 ET by PopularTechThe only thing you have demonstrated is that you are clueless.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
Beyond Unable to Think For yYourself
April 1, 2009 - 01:49 ET by UnsaneClueless? How so?
I'm not the one who lacks the ability to articulate my own thoughts and ideas. I articulate my own thoughts and ideas routinely.
If I can't sit around and vomit bibs in academia, and just throw books and articles at my professors and say "read this and guess how I think about this subject!"...well, neither can you at others.
The only thing you demonstrate is that you cannot think for yourself and come up with your very own thoughts, words, and ideas. And when someone calls you on it, you hurl words like "clueless" and whine and scream endlessly like the little adolescent boy that you are.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Why conserving energy is irrelevant
March 28, 2009 - 19:22 ET by PopularTechEnergy Cost vs. Energy Consumed
We will always use more and more energy.
The Efficiency Paradox (Peter Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT)
The Virtue Of Waste (Peter Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT)
"Only 2% of the energy that starts out in an oil pool 2 miles under the Gulf of Mexico ends up propelling 200 pounds of mom-and the-kids--the ultimate payload--2 miles to the game."
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
my prediction:
March 28, 2009 - 20:26 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionthe msm will paint a glowing picture of the success of "earth hour", complete with (doctored) satellite photos showing the lights going out time zone by time zone. it will be much akin to the satellite photos of washington dc on inauguration day from which - even though imagery experts stated showed only approximately 800,000 people - the msn reported over two million people were crowded onto the national mall.
for the record, it's 84 muggy degrees here in northeast florida. my a/c is on, i have outside and inside lights burning, and the pool is running. i have spoken with many, many folks around here, and none of them are observing "earth hour". in fact, most of them have taken to spitting any time they have to say the word "green"!
"i believe he will not stop until we are all jobless, homeless, hungry, and cold!"