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By Tim Graham | May 04, 2012 | 08:48

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Just like NPR, the PBS NewsHour on Thursday night invited on liberals Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein to pound away at the "extremism" of the Republican Party (Tea Party Edition). Propose defunding public broadcasting, and this is how the Empire strikes back.

Thomas Mann unleashed on the GOP: "They are ideologically extreme, contemptuous of centuries worth of policy, economics and social; scornful of compromise, no use much for facts, evidence, and science, and really not accepting of the political legitimacy of the other party." As if Mann is sounding like he believes in the political legitimacy of the Republicans?

This is the huge flaw of media elites who see Mann and Ornstein as sober centrists -- as Woodruff calls them, "veteran Congress watchers." They don't ask: you say extreme partisanship is ruining Washington, and then you turn around and say everything that's wrong in Washington comes from those horrid Republicans. Isn't that awfully partisan?

JUDY WOODRUFF: Tom, you put in the book much of the blame for what's going on, on the Republican Party. Why?

THOMAS MANN: We do believe there are two profound drivers of our dysfunctional politics. The first is the mismatch between our political parties that are parliamentary-like, ideologically polarized, internally unified, and set on destroying the other. But the second factor, which is, frankly, overlooked in the press among pundits, by scholars and almost everyone else, is that one of our political parties, namely the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier.

They are ideologically extreme, contemptuous of centuries worth of policy, economics and social, scornful of compromise, no use much for facts, evidence, and science, and really not accepting of the political legitimacy of the other party. That makes a big difference.

Does anyone really believe that the press and "almost everyone else" has somehow overlooked blaming the Republicans for everything wrong in America? Do these two "scholars" ever consume any media? What they mean to say is Republicans haven't been blamed enough and the public doesn't blame them enough.

Woodruff  suggested what a Republican might say in response -- which is not as good as actually inviting on a Republican to rebut:

WOODRUFF: Norm Ornstein, if a Republican were sitting here today who believes in what they're doing, they would say, but it's really -- it's really about policy. We disagree with the president and the Democrats on the size of the deficit, on spending. We don't think the tax cuts should end.

ORNSTEIN: There have been serious differences between the parties and their world views and their outlooks for a long time. But just to pick a couple of quick examples, Judy, the Affordable Care Act, the health care bill that passed without a single Republican vote, was basically the Republican alternative that had been written to oppose the Clinton health care plan in 1993 by several people, including Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch, current senators who now denounce those same ideas as socialistic.

WOODRUFF: Republicans.

ORNSTEIN: Republicans. It's a different culture than we saw 20 years ago or 30 years ago. And it's why people like Chuck Hagel, a very conservative Republican former senator, has decried what's gone on in own party.

Break out the laugh track! Chuck Hagel the "very conservative" Republican would agree with everything these two liberals are saying. He's an anti-Republican Republican. A "very conservative" Republican would support the Tea Party and oppose ObamaCare. Woodruff suggested they weren't saying the Democrats were perfect. Mann bizarrely said their period of being an "insurgent outlier" was the 1960s and 1970s.

Then they turned to the role of the media:

WOODRUFF: And to pick up on the role of the media, the new media, how has that changed what's going on, Norm?

ORNSTEIN: Well, it really is -- in a way, it's back to the future. We had partisan media in the 19th century. We have it now with Fox, with MSNBC, and with a lot of others, with talk radio. But this is different. We don't share a common set of facts. And we live in worlds that amplify those differences and, in fact, help to create the hype that we're in a tribal world and you've got to oppose the other side because they're evil.

Again, these two say they're against polarization at the exact same time they're demanding everyone treat the Republicans as the horrid obstacle to all progress. They sound exactly like MSNBC, not like they oppose MSNBC.

Finally, you know you're talking to a liberal when they lament that we no longer share a "common set of facts." This is code for we no longer accept the "objective" liberal media as the official arbiter of what are Facts. When the country was dominated by three Kennedy-adoring networks and The New York Times (what Mann thinks are the liberals "insurgent outlier" years), conservatives did not accept the liberal argument as the "facts," either. For example, Ornstein thinks it's "the facts" that ObamaCare is not socialistic. He probably also believes it's "the facts" that ObamaCare would reduce the deficit.

Fighting over defining "the facts" is part of any political debate. You would think "veteran Congress watchers" would have figured that out before they prepare for retirement.

At the segment's end, anchor Ray Suarez  announced some balance would come later. "We have another view coming soon from Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, who's written a book called 'The Debt Bomb: A Bold Plan to Stop Washington from Bankrupting America.'" But Coburn won't be asked to rebut Ornstein and Mann. They get to tour public TV and radio and sell their screed  with no real opposition.

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Democrats are...

Submitted by richflanj on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:33am.

Juvenile, delusional, petty, and incapable of balancing a budget. They remind of a spoiled teenage girl who won't come out of her room unless she gets her way.

They are members of a political class/party that believes in making all people equal (in poverty).

They support institutional racism in hiring, education, enforcement of law, et al.

Their legislative leaders have failed to develop a budget proposal in more that three years.

They don't have any understanding of freedom and individual rights. They have a seriously lazy mindset, and blame everyone else for their own failures.

Now, as to these morons - Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein. They are best described as deluded enablers of liberalism, whose picture will be forever enshrined in the "useful idiot" hall of fame.

Liberals are greedy. -- Me
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Here's a howler!

Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:42am.

Ornstein, according to Wikipedia, "considers himself a centrist."

Of course he does!  There are only "centrists" and those "right-wing extremists."

And this is a hoot: We don't share a common set of facts.

Aren't facts the same for everyone? 

Apparently one IS entitled to one's own facts.  And we all know whose are the "correct' ones, don't we?

 

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Mann and Ornstein are liars

Submitted by Kevin Groenhagen on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:48am.

"But just to pick a couple of quick examples, Judy, the Affordable Care Act, the health care bill that passed without a single Republican vote, was basically the Republican alternative that had been written to oppose the Clinton health care plan in 1993 by several people...."

To call that "the Republican alternative" is quite a stretch. There was an alternative offered by Sen. John Chafee that included an individual mandate (one that was conditional on the percentage of Americans covered by other means by 2005), but it never had majority support from Senate Republicans. It never received a vote. Chafee was an extremely liberal Republican whose son, Lincoln, actually endorsed Obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/19/facebook-...

The two sides do have a different set of facts. However, Ornstein and Mann's "facts" aren't actually facts at all.

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Plain and Simple

Submitted by bmacdmac on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 9:59am.

Democratic party is the party of "do very little and we will take care of you".

Republican party is "you want it, earn it, WORK".

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Republican party is "you want it, earn it, WORK".

Submitted by tcm14 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 5:00am.

And if you DO earn it, YOU KEEP IT.

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Comrades Mann and Ornstein don't know...

Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:04am.

...what they are talking about.

The repubes have shifted leftward to where the dems were about 30 - 35 years ago, as creeping (sprinting?) socialism is now doing to them what it has already done to the democrat party. 

Just ask John Bonehead, Mickey Can't-do, and Mitch McDummell, all of which are willing Obama enablers.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Agree. It makes me laugh when

Submitted by tcm14 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 5:02am.

Agree. It makes me laugh when the Dems say Reagan would be considered too far left for modern day Republicans; in reality today Reagan would never get out of the primary because the 24 hour news cycle would hound him as a far right extremist until no one would vote for him.

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Here is a hoot...

Submitted by c5then on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:25am.

..."contemptuous of centuries worth of policy, economics and social ."

The centuries of policy, economics and social(?) are all on the Republican's side. It hasn't been till very recently (last 80 years) that Marxism has infiltrated the parties and lead to where we are today.

Remember that the USA went from a third-world country to the most powerful nation on Earth in only a little over 120 years while running the same economic and foreign policy that is being championed by the conservatives today. The liberal policies, however are bringing us in the opposite direction and threatening to make us back into a third-world country again.

 

Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it! 

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I Noticed That Too

Submitted by tcm14 on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 5:07am.

"contemptuous of centuries worth of policy, economics and social"

You mean the policies that have failed in every case where they have been tried, destroying nations at a 100% clip, killing hundreds of millions, and institutionalizing oppression? Yeah I guess we are contemptuous of those policies. No apologies.

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I always have to chuckle at

Submitted by Darasen on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:27am.

I always have to chuckle at the conservatives ignore science line. They sat one thing then support abortion which is completely scientifically indefensible.

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At the same time

Submitted by Kevin Groenhagen on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 1:17pm.

They'll ignore the fact that Obama carries several good luck charms.

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Extreme Conservatives-yes indeed-those who Love America

Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:44am.

One must look at the Obama crew-almost 100% of the appointed unconfirmed CZARS-appointed cabinet members are as extreme Left Wing Liberals as Marx-Stalin-Lenin-Mao

Fast & Furious along with Solyndra are example of who BHO is BHO Policies have caused Failed Economy- Liberals = Wealth Re-distribution

 

 

 

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A New PBS

Submitted by jaywl on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:49am.

Why can't there be an alternative PBS? They have theirs, supported with tax dollars in the feds roundabout way. The folks at PureB.S. surely wouldn't mind, would they? After all, PBS would be liberated from the pretense of fairness. The new network could have Sesame Street without indoctrination of our children, science programs without ideology, traditional religious shows without a corresponding diet of Wicans and breakaway priests and nuns serving up that which is banned by their church. I'm thinking PBSR (the "R" denoting Republican or [Far] Right Wing or, how about it!, Rational) wouldn't cost anything. Take half of what PBSL (Loonie) gets and fund a network for the half of America that doesn't like PBS programs that tilt left or finally topple over. Perhaps we can pass a law requiring joint private fundraising and split that also!. My God, would the Ford Foundation, Soros, Guggy, or Ayers' Weather Underground stop giving? Would that kill the goose that lays the egg and fold up PBS?
Imagine the uproar.

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Someone tell me again

Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:49pm.

Who pays for NPR and PBS? Tax dollars you say? Being as how the VAST majority of those not paying taxes are democrats, doesn't that mean that the majority of NPR/PBS funding COMES FROM REPUBLICANS?

This type of boondoggle twists my gray matter into knots....

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WARNING! Just for idiots like Mann abnd Ornstein

Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:58pm.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s320x320/558561_402929253073323...

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Ever since the current congress was sworn in, the Dem's have...

Submitted by Phryj1 on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 2:51pm.

...done everything they can to defeat the Tea Party. At every single turn, Dems have blocked every spending cut, every attempt to balance the budget, and even bills to relax regulations and spur job creation. The only thing Dems care about is getting back control of congress. They obstruct everything the Tea Party tries to do, and blame the Tea Party for their own intransigence. Harry Reid himself has made statements not only de-ligitimizing the Tea Party, but basically saying that anyone who voted for them doesn't count and doesn't deserve to be represented in congress.

Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.

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I'm curious, how is Obamacare

Submitted by megax5000 on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 3:49am.

I'm curious, how is Obamacare socialist? It's essentially the same plan (as was mentioned) as the Republican answer to Hillarycare was in the 90s. It's essentially the same the same thing as Romneycare (and was the basis, oddly enough). Was the first George Bush and those Republican congressman, including Bob Dole, who supported that idea "socialist"? (well, okay, I know you guys hate Romney so maybe yes.)

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Well, it's like this...

Submitted by Jer on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 4:11am.

The individual mandate originated in the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation. The concept was indeed popular with many Republicans; it was codified with the passage of RomneyCare, and the mandate, along with the Affordable Care Act in its entirety, has been upheld by arguably the most conservative judge in the federal judicial system.

However, it had become "socialist" when the legislation was introduced by Democrats. It was like magic.

Jer

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Jer.

Submitted by Par for the Course on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 9:43am.

I was curious if the "mandate" was a republican idea and found the following:

The Dukakis Universal Health Care Law

[...]

In 2006, Massachusetts received national attention for enacting a bill designed to ensure that nearly all state residents have health insurance. The law, Chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, accomplishes this goal through a variety of mechanisms. One of the most controversial is a requirement that all uninsured Massachusetts residents purchase health insurance. This requirement has generally been referred to as the “individual mandate.”

The individual mandate has been lauded as an innovative feature of Massachusetts health reform. However, the state actually implemented an individual mandate once before. In a previous attempt to provide coverage for all state residents, Massachusetts enacted Chapter 23 of the Acts of 1988, more commonly referred to as the Dukakis Universal Health Care Law.

[...]

This law was on the books of Massachusetts previous to Hillarycare and was eventually repealed, in 1996 I believe.

So, can you say for sure that the idea of an individual mandate originated in the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation?

Also, for a different view about Heritage and the individual mandate:

Heritage and the Individual Mandate

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Darn it, Par...

Submitted by Jer on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 3:46am.

You seem to be spending just a liittt-le too much time on "homework".

Have you thought about taking up bridge or joining a bowling league or something?

I'll check out your links, see if I can drill some holes in them, and be back in touch.

Jer

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It aint never been popular with Conservatives,

Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 05/06/2012 - 10:11am.

Not now, not then. A plan hatched does not mean it gets supported.

Mass is not the USA, it has the authority, provided the folks support it. The Fed has neither

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