In Time, Tom Hanks Remembers Knowing Afghanistan Was a Vietnam

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Always eager to promote another Hollywood film that casts a snarky eye on American foreign policy, Time magazine interviewed Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, and Philip Seymour Hoffman about Charlie Wilson’s War, a new movie about a conservative Texas Democratic Congressman who secured funding for the Afghan rebels, written by liberal West Wing scribe Aaron Sorkin. Hanks recalled that when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in December 1979, he just knew it was the beginning of the Soviets’ Vietnam, that "They have made a mistake equal to anything wrong America has done." Moral equivalence with the Soviets? Still in vogue in Hollywood in 2007.

Reasons to be skeptical? At the time, Hanks was 23 and had yet to get his big break as Kip-slash-Buffy in the ABC sitcom Bosom Buddies; and Hanks also suggested the Soviets freshly took over Hungary in 1956, instead of merely keeping the Soviet lid on the country. The interview began with Time’s Belinda Luscombe celebrating her own ignorance about American support for Afghan rebels:

TIME: A lot of people probably don't know much about this story, and I just thought the mujahedin were feisty Afghans who beat the Russians by themselves. Were you aware of it at the time?

TOM HANKS: Well, I remember the invasion. I remember President Carter coming out, and there was a big dramatic thing on TV: the Soviet Union has invaded Afghanistan--we were going to cancel the Olympics, and we weren't going to go to Moscow in 1980. I didn't realize what the covert action of the CIA had done, and whatnot.

JULIA ROBERTS: I was 13. I missed all of this.

PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN: Yeah, I was in junior high in this whole thing. I definitely missed the idea that there was a covert operation going on.

ROBERTS (joking): Did I say I was 13? Sorry, I meant I was 3.

HANKS: I remember thinking that the Soviet Union had done something really stupid, but it was a sign of that classic Soviet aggression machine, the same way that they'd taken over Hungary in 1956 and gone into Czechoslovakia in 1968--that it was those robots that showed up on Lenin's Tomb every May Day. And I thought, They have made a mistake equal to anything wrong America has done. I remember thinking that it could turn into their Vietnam.

Later in the interview, Hanks worked up a good burst of steam running away from the idea that this is going to be another liberal anti-war film that flops:

TIME: This is a movie that makes people think about America and what it has done, especially in the Middle East, and there have been quite a few of those recently, and audiences have not been that drawn to them. Will people go to this one?

HOFFMAN: God, I hope they do.

HANKS: This isn't about Iraq.

TIME: Well, none of them are really about Iraq.

HANKS: Oh, no, I think you're wrong. I think some of them are very specifically about Iraq, and I don't know if you can make a war movie about Iraq until we have some distance on what has happened in Iraq because I don't think you can make a fake movie by going to Marrakech or Death Valley and putting guys in desert commando outfits and having them shoot at extras with special-effects helicopters flying around and have that be more insightful than what I can get off of YouTube by typing in "combat footage from Iraq." Charlie Wilson's War is about something happening in 1980. I'm going to lay claim to the fact that we actually have some distance and perspective now.

In the end, the film wasn't liberal enough for Newsweek critic David Ansen.

Of course, hanging over this ironic tale is the deeper historical irony—that many of the "good guy" rebels Charlie is funding (and we're cheering) will become our mortal enemies. At the end of this story, any informed viewer knows, lies big-time blowback. Surprisingly, Nichols and Sorkin play this trump card timidly. Is this admirable restraint or cold feet? Are they afraid of spoiling the feel-good uplift of Charlie's victory with the harsh downdraft of history? It's as if "Titanic" ended with a celebratory shipboard banquet, followed by a postscript: by the way, it sank.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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That's been enjoying a resurgence.

Democrats are scrappily trying to find a way to now claim they all supported the Cold War and assisted in breaking the Soviet Union.

Charlie Wilson is real hero of the story now. Reagan? Not so much.

  I posted on this in

  I posted on this in another thread yesterday candance. If this movie takes a revisionist spin that the Democrat's solely helped us win The Cold War and not Reagan, then I guess this will be just another Tom hank's comedy.

One I wont' pay to see.

 

 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

Revisionist spin...

Kinda like the other day when Hannah said everyone supported the troops in Vietnam?

since I first saw the

since I first saw the trailer for this, thats exactly what my thoughts about it have been. any chance reagans "tear down this wall" speech makes it into the movie? not likely.

wow ... tom thinks his acting roles

actually count as legitimate experience ... so, as it stands now, hanks can lead an amphibious operation against an enemy stronghold, command an apollo space capsule AND throw a kick-ass bachelor party ...

  "actually count as

 

"actually count as legitimate experience ... so, as it stands now, hanks can lead an amphibious operation against an enemy stronghold, command an apollo space capsule AND throw a kick-ass bachelor party ..."

 

 

I believe he did all three of those and more in Forrest Gump.

 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

Charlie's no Ronnie

Charlie Wilson was a hardliner regarding the Soviets and that's to his great credit, but he was was no conservative. On domestic issues he was a typical big business bashing, welfare state loving liberal Democrat.

 Just for posterity for

 Just for posterity for our friend's like Monty, I thought I would add this in.

 

Soviet casualties Afghanistan, Dec. 1979 - Feb. 1989 while installing Communism:

14,453 killed

 469,685 wounded

 

U.S. Casualities Iraq while delivering freedom, May 2003 -present:

3,810 killed

28,451 wounded

U.S. casualities Afghanistan, while delivering freedom, Oct. 2001 - present:

469 killed

1,472 wounded

 

 I detect large quantities of win in this sector.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

Blazer, Spot

Blazer,Spot on! 

 

 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I was actually a bit

I was actually a bit surprised at how reasonable Tom Hanks sounded.  I think he's smart enough to know that audiences have grown tired of Hollywood lectures...so he played it pretty safe there.  The only surprise is that Aaron Sorkin pulled himself away from the blow long enough to write this script. 

Roberts is still a 3 IQ and missing

Listening to the doltish Tom Hanks and IQ rating 3 Julia Roberts discuss history is a nightmare for the publicity department of this movie.

I will admit my bias. I do not like Tom Hanks. I detest him for that piece of crap he made with Spielberg in Saving Pvt. Ryan which pictured Americans as cowards and murderers. I loathe him for Bobby Z's Forest Gump where he thought he was going to show all Conservatives were mental retards.......I dislike Opie, Meathead, Letterman and whoever else is in this ilk. I refuse to watch any of their work.

Hanks might like to re examine his facts on Afghanistan Vietnamistan when he realizes those poor people only got their nation ripped apart BECAUSE OF JIMMY CARTER WAS IN BED WITH RUSSIA.

He might like to remember the American farmers who got screwed to bankruptcy because of Carter's grain embargo while his buddies in Rockefeller and Rothschild oil made a fortune selling crude to Europe.

Afghanistan's Muhajadeen was created by Jimmy Carter, but all Carter did was get them slaughtered. It was not until Ronaldus Magnus Reagan who dumped Stinger missiles into their laps that they turned the tide with CIA support in kicking the hell out of the Russians.
Bush 41 maintained the relationship which included bin Laden in keeping these fighters in Afghanistan.

Then it was Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and that entire crew who elected Bill Clinton. Who got this bright idea from his cartel bosses to screw the Russians over even more than what the Bush crew did in draining that nation of wealth.........Clinton decided his buddies needed and oil pipeline out of south Asia right into a place called KOSOVO.

Of course "ethnic cleansing" was the key point, the only problem being the Serbs have documented all of these dead Muslims they supposedly murdered were showing up last year in voting in elections.

Bill though needed a victory and so did Wacko Wes Clarke so they dug out of Afghanistan the Muhajadeen. The Muslims soon found that Europe was green, nice, had good looking women and food......so they thought riot was a great deal after winning Clinton's bombing war and moved into Chechny and refused to go back into the Afghanistan bottle.

Short story, Putin caught Zawahiri in Chechnya, imprisoned him and turned him into a Russian communist agent who now head al Qaeda in the war against America.

So Tommy Hanks, you witless liberal fatherless child, do not dare come into the world of intellect where people know the historical facts as you are void AND THE PROBLEM IN CREATING ALL THE MISERY IN THE WORLD.

Dismissed.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Liberal Hollywood!

CHARLIE WILSON: If we're gonna pull this one off, Gip, we need a sound bite moment!

RONALD REAGAN: Well, mommy always told me I was never very good with words without a script in my hands.

WILSON: It has to be BIG! It has to be ballsy! It has to be bold!

REAGAN (picks up phone, dials 0): Well, the rumor always was that Jerry Lewis had big, bold balls. Maybe I'll give him a call. (into phone) What's the country code for France?

WILSON: No, Mr. President, I've got it! You look that camera square in the eye and say, "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

REAGAN (into phone): Jerry! It's Ronny! How they hangin'?

NARRATOR: And that, America, is how the Democrats won the Cold War!

 

 

Fine Tim, but will they take down Jimmy Carter, as well?

This media mental lapse.

With "Charlie Wilson's War" coming to the big screen soon -- just when can we envision anyone in the MSM asking Jimmy Carter, "So, you, Brzezinski, and Wilson were all covertly suppling arms to the anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan - and you, as President, actually personally warned Soviet Premier Brezhnev that the US would consider a nuclear strike on the USSR if they went one step past Afghanistan, i.e., Pakistan, in their Imperialist march for a warm water port?"

In the synopsis of the movie, Charlie Wilson's War, it boldly states:

Their (Charlie Wilson, CIA & friends) efforts contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, with consequences that reverberate throughout the world today.

In Hollywood's view - Ronald Reagan did little to bring down the USSR, but now this Democrat from Texas did?How many ways can they play it Tim?

Charlie was "conservative" -- riiiiight...

Except when it came to the hookers and all that blow he snorted, folks. Let's get one thing straight from the start: Various elements of the story may have been "stretched," but if my guess is right, the snortin' coke & sex-with-hookers aspects are probably as close to real life as anything Hollyweird'll ever do, if the preview clips I've seen are at-all like the film.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul. (All purpose anti-slander-link, sadly-needed these days...)

Lest we forget, President

Lest we forget, President Jimmy Carter indicated that the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan was "the most serious threat to peace since the Second World War."

What did he do about it?  Carter placed a trade embargo against the Soviet Union on shipments of groceries such as grain.  That is how a US dimocratic president deals with "the most serious threat to peace since the Second World War." 

International response was just as ineffectual.  As described in Wikipedia, "The international diplomatic response was severe, ranging from stern warnings to a boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow.  

Fast forward to present day and note, the defeatocrats take on the WOT, Iraq, present day Afghanistan, and Iran.  Like Jimmy Carter and the international community 30 years ago, the dimocrats are fully prepare to give stern warnings to our enemies, in consultation with the UN, of course.

Looking forward to it

I feel almost guilty admitting that it might be a really good movie. Sorkin is the bedwettingist of the bedwetting liberals, but there were episodes of the West Wing that tried to throw a bone to the conservative side. He even had Peggy Noonan consulting on the scripts.

Hanks is also one of the moderate (or quiet) Hollywood Libs. His work with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers">Band of Brothers</a> was way beyond what you'd expect from a Clooney-class Hollywood dimwit.

"Charlie Wilson's War" is a

"Charlie Wilson's War" is a terrific book.  I would strongly recommend it, and am looking forward to the movie.  Hopefully, Aaron Sorkin didn't change too much of it. 

This really got me "Oh, no,

This really got me "Oh, no, I think you're wrong. I think some of them are very specifically about Iraq, and I don't know if you can make a war movie about Iraq until we have some distance on what has happened in Iraq" and said that Tom Hanks only thinks that the Iraq war is raping children and killing innocents.

We can make good movies about the heroism in Iraq now, its just the people in charge dont see any heroism, including Hanks.  I dont think Im going to see the movie.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

it took forty years

It took forty years for Mel Gibson to come of age and step up to the plate and make a movie about my generation's war that didn't make us all out to be drugged out baby killing psycho losers - "We Were Soldiers". How long do you think it'll be before these fine young folks get their due from Hollywierd?

chuck in st paul
USAF '62-'70

Plato warned us

I think most of us have a good chuckle when actors--and show biz folk in general-- present us with their lofty opinions (presented as THE truth, of course) about public issues. Hanks and Roberts, indeed!

It's not a new development.

Twenty four centuries ago, Plato cautioned his listeners about this very phenomenon (in The Republic, as I recollect, but someone may have a better memory than I). He worried that the emotional bond we create with actors in their various characters might also allow these manipulative mimics (his term for actors) too much influence
in matters in which they were often ignorant. This would have the effect of poisoning the discussions in the public square. He believed these mimics intentionally mislead the public because they were being paid by politicians to do so.

True today, obviously. There's nothing new under the sun.