ABC News Religion Correspondent: I Can't Judge Whether bin Laden Was 'Evil'
According to the man ABC News relies on for religious analysis, it's impossible to say whether Osama bin Laden was "evil." Father Edward Beck, the network's religion correspondent, appeared with Bill O'Reilly on Tuesday and offered moral equivalence on the subject of the terrorist's death.
When the O'Reilly Factor anchor pressed Beck on whether bin Laden truly represented malevolence, Beck replied, "That's not for me to judge. His actions were certainly were evil."
O'Reilly pressed Beck on this point, prompting the ABC News analyst to assert, "No, I think that's up to God to ultimately decide who's evil."
After asserting that the United States shouldn't celebrate bin Laden's death "like a Super Bowl," Beck compared American happiness over the terrorist's death to Middle East examples, such as celebrating on 9/11: "Yes, but when you watch these people celebrating, how does it make us any better than those in the Mid East who celebrate when America falls?"
(This prompted Bernie Goldberg, who appeared in an unrelated O'Reilly Factor segment, to interject about Beck. He derided, "The idea that... the Palestinians celebrated when they attacked the World Trade Center, we're just as bad if we celebrate when Osama bin Laden takes a bullet to the head. That's pathetic. That's pathetic. I mean, and that isn't Catholicism, that's liberalism.")
Beck, in his role as the religion correspondent, has appeared on Good Morning America and other ABC News programs. He has co-hosted Faith Matters Now, a web-only program for the network's religion section. This is the man ABC looks to on spiritual issues? Someone who won't even go so far as to declare bin Laden to be an evil man?
On June 02, 2008, Beck appeared on Good morning America to explain away some of the radical statements heard at Barack Obama's now former church.
A transcript of the May 03 O'Reilly Factor segment can be found below:
BILL O'REILLY: "Unresolved Problem" segment tonight. Military action always controversial in some circles and after Osama bin Laden was killed by the Navy SEALs, a few people had a problem with it, citing moral grounds. One of them is Father Edward Beck, religion contributor for ABC News. He joins us know. Now, you told our guys -- and I'm just going to quote you here -- "I'm uncomfortable with killing of Osama bin Laden being celebrated like a Super Bowl win," and you're referring to the people in front of the White House and other places, Times Square, very jubilant about bin Laden dying. Why are you uncomfortable with that?
FATHER EDWARD BECK: Rudolph Giuliani said he went to a church, which I think is a more appropriate action. It cannot be celebrated like a Super Bowl because it's a tragedy that this happened. Just because Osama killed all of these people, understandable a tragedy, killing him does not justify that action.
O'REILLY: OK. You see I disagree with you 180 degrees here. And you remember after World War II, V-Day, VJ-Day and everybody was celebrating the end of the war because we had defeated our enemies who had tried to kill us and slaughtered countless millions of civilians. That celebration, entirely appropriate. Wasn't it? It was an appropriate celebration, was it not?
BECK: Bill, when you watch-
O'REILLY: For victory over the evil forces, wasn't it?
BECK: Yes, but when you watch these people celebrating, how does it make us any better than those in the Mideast who celebrate when America falls?
O'REILLY: Well, here's why I think you're wrong on this.
BECK: This is not a Christian perspective.
O'REILLY: I think I'm a good Christian and I was very happy to see bin Laden killed because he was killing people and he was capable of doing more killing.
BECK: But how does his death then justify what happened to 3,000 people? You'd have to kill 3,000 people for you to talk about justice.
O'REILLY: No, no. If you -- if there is a criminal enterprise underway which al Qaeda certainly is, you would see that point, right?
BECK: Yes.
O'REILLY: OK. And the criminal enterprise cannot be stopped with any other method other than killing, then you have to kill. And when-
BECK: But you don't celebrate it.
O'REILLY: -the criminal enterprise is stopped- why not? That is a good thing.
BECK: Because it's maybe a necessary evil. But, what about love of enemies? What about Jesus from the cross saying these are my killers. These are terrorists. But I forgive them. They know not what to do.
O'REILLY: Personal forgiveness something the 9/11 families are entitled to. I'm not going to be -- entreat (ph) that because I didn't lose anybody in my family. But I'll tell you what, Jesus had rendered a Caesar and that meant that if you have to defend your country you are OK with defending your country. That's not an anti-Christian thing to do.
BECK: That was about money. He said love of enemies. Pray for those persecute you.
O'REILLY: But render to Caesar was a general thing- a general thing, all right, where the government takes care of the government, I take care of spiritual matters. You can't tell me that Jesus Christ doesn't want to see al Qaeda defeated. You can't sit there and tell me that.
BECK: I would say God is not going to take sides like we take sides. God has a different kind of justice.
O'REILLY: I mean, there's got to be a good and an evil in the world. You telling me that God doesn't take sides against evil? Is that what you're telling me?
BECK: I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that we don't judge what the evil is and how it's acted upon.
O'REILLY: Who is we? I judge evil. Who's we?
BECK: By what standards?
O'REILLY: By the standards of hurting innocent people. That's how I judge it.
BECK: Christianity says you can't kill somebody. All life is sacred.
O'REILLY: Christianity says I have a right to defend myself and so does my country.
BECK: Yes, as in a last resort. If that means killing somebody-
O'REILLY: And that's what it was.
BECK: Don't celebrate it. It's a necessary evil. Don't cheer about it like we're in a bar.
O'REILLY: You're celebrating a victory of your country. You're celebrating a victory of your country.
BECK: That's not what they're celebrating. They wanted Osama bin Laden dead. Now that he's dead, let's raise the flag. Well, you know what? It may be good that he's dead.
O'REILLY: I think you misinterpreted that, Father, with all due respect. I think that they were celebrating a victory over evil. And I don't think you understand, with all due respect again, the evil that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden had brought to the world. I'll give you the last word.
BECK: Bill, my father was a New York City firefighter. After 9/11 I was in the triage center at Chelsea Piers. I was counseling people. I've talked to people who've lost sons at 9/11.
O'REILLY: Let me ask you this.
BECK: I know what that's like.
O'REILLY: Was bin Laden evil?
BECK: That's not for me to judge. His actions were certainly were evil --
O'REILLY: Not for you to judge?
BECK: His actions certainly were evil and they caused a lot of harm and disruption.
O'REILLY: So you can't as a human being make a determination on good and evil? You cannot do that?
BECK: No, I think that's up God to ultimately decide who's evil.
O'REILLY: See? I can and I'm -- I'll probably be punished for it by the deity but --
BECK: I see a man's actions. I don't know a man's heart ever, totally.
O'REILLY: Well, I think I know bin Laden's heart.
BECK: I can say the actions were wrong and despicable and needed to be punished.
O'REILLY: All right. You're a standup guy for coming in. I appreciate it.
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The left is shocked and
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:33pm.
The left is shocked and saddened by the loss of their hero.
Clarification
Submitted by The Irishman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:02pm.
Which hero was that?
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Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:04pm.
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Go away Dead Angry Black Pickled Kitten Eating Hobbit Name Stealing Zippers.
What does this mean???
Submitted by The Irishman on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:06pm.
What does this mean???
Wha??? Who??? Ha???
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:10pm.
LOL.
Relax
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:16pm.
It just means our favourite troll hunter has read James Joyce..likes to make up words
You are a strange one Dead Angry Black Zippers.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 8:52am.
In one post, you ask us to be honest with you. Then 10 minutes later, here you are with your 26th account, a sock puppet account, ney, a sock puppet account where you talk to yourself.
You are dishonest to the core in the way you present yourself here. From habitual serial accounts where you piss and whine and moan when caught out until the admins finally tire of you and banish you from this site. To this childish stunt you are pulling currently with, by my count, at least 5 throw away accounts to run cover for the semi-civilized account The Irishman.
Now you demand respect and honesty from the other denizens here, MmmmmKay?
Again
Submitted by The Irishman on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 8:58am.
They're all me, right? I'm actually Jer too. And mamabear. Actually I'm you, so what are you doing with my account?
At some point you must realize you're wrong.
"Senator, I know Jer, and
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:06am.
"Senator, I know Jer, and you're no Jer."
Makes as much sense as buttercup, eh?
Submitted by The Irishman on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:10am.
How about this - you notice that buttercup uses the british spelling of words like "favourite?" I'm American, and traditionally spell the way I was taught. Not to say "favourite" is wrong, but you're more than welcome to dig through my history to find any consistency to this accusation.
How about this? Nobody cares.
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:12am.
How about this?
Nobody cares. Move on.
My bad. My bad boys and girls. My bad. My bad indeed.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:29pm.
I coulda swore the sock puppet account of Dead Zippers was using a fake WELSH accent. Turns out the sock puppet account of Dead Zippers was using a fake BRITISH accent.
So sorry boys and girls. Easy mistake. Ain't like there are lists all over the internet of British spellings, huh?
A wise man
Submitted by The Irishman on Sat, 05/07/2011 - 9:17am.
Would look for consistencies in other uses of British spellings of the familiar American spellings we were taught.
A wise man
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 05/07/2011 - 10:43am.
Would understand the proper use of the Subject line.
Would not come here after being banned 24 times.
Would not engage in sock puppetism.
Would not be such a whiny diaper baby.
Would realize I am not stopping ever. You are busted.
Would have gotten the message the first time.
...no one wants to answer the question honestly. ...so make it personal.
Why should we be honest with you? You have never shown us the tiniest bit of respect or honesty. And yet you demand it from us.
•You have been banned repeatedly for hostility to other users including stalker type references to women's children prior to your 15th account.'
•You have used multiple open accounts as sock puppets, talking to each other to give yourself the appearance of having others agree with you when no honest person will. You are doing it now with the buttercup815 account. Now. As we speak you, you have multiple accounts open.
•You lie by pretending to be a completely different person when you open a new account. You refuse to admit it is indeed you with a new moniker. Instead you make up stories claiming to be black or Polish or now Irish. It is a lie when you do it.
•You engage in misdirecting tactics to cover your true identity. We know you are accutely aware of proper spelling and then you intentionally misspell in one of your accounts to misdirect. You fill in the subject line (although rarely do you do it properly) You stopped double spacing. Or use 2 periods instead as with your buttercup815. All modifications to your style intending to throw us off track of exactly who you are.
•You fail to see the utter dishonesty, the moral failing in your tactics of covering your identity. Sure, everyone here is anonymous. But no one lies about who and what there are. They just neglect to give enough personal details to expose their real names. But you, you actively promote yourself as someone other than what you are. Pretending to be black or female or have children or some other career or race. You LIE and why do you lie? To keep an account open in some desperate pathetic attempt to have contact with real people, honest people.
•You continue to lie even when caught dead to rights, insisting over and over you are not here for the 18th or 19th or 23rd or 25th time. In effect, you treat us like we are stupid and cannot see that it is indeed you. Everyone has a style of posting, writing, composing, a rhythmic flow of words. Everyone has a fairly fixed internal dictionary of words. Just as everyone could recognize Shakespeare were he to suddenly pop up from the grave and start posting as NotFrancisBacon, we can see it is you after a sufficient number of posts. And yet you LIE and act as though we are the ones just making crap up to abuse some poor little liberal.
•In short, you have never given us any reason TO be honest with you. Or give you the tiniest ounce of respect due either a stranger or someone that appears to be honest with us.
Whew
Submitted by The Irishman on Sat, 05/07/2011 - 10:51am.
That was a long one.
It was fun
Submitted by buttercup815 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:52pm.
It wasn't the Irishman or Nhaws or any anyone else. I have been here from the begining JWF .. and it is you are not welcome.
Whatever. You ain't said that 15 times through 15 accounts.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 05/06/2011 - 9:10am.
Who knew a 20 time retread troll with 20 different aliases would get so butt hurt over being called by the few aliases he did NOT use. Still. Still whining to this day that he is not nwahs or arkansaszippers. Still whining. Oh, he was berthuggins. And stewmckin. and guttermouth. and ieatkittens and omo and Q and toughermutt and Hot Germ Tutu and Another Dead Kennedy and.... But don't you dare call him by the name of another user. Why that would be --- Word Bully!
And Pickles and Peppers and blah blah blah blah blah 26 times.
Liberals...
Submitted by Morganfrost on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:36pm.
Robert Frost famously described a liberal as someone too open-minded to take his own side in an argument, and that seems to be applicable here. Indeed, I think the Reverend Father may have taken the adage "judge not lest ye be judged" just a smidge too far. If we can't call Osama "evil," then it's hard to imagine a good reason even to keep that word in our language.
If we can't identify "evil",
Submitted by rbosque on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:44pm.
If we can't identify "evil", how we combat it?
I'm pretty sure killing thousands of innocent people counts as evil.
By their fruits....
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:47pm.
Although no one can see into the heart as God does, there are certain indications by which one may judge others.
Jesus said: By their fruits you shall know them. and (paraphrasing) A bad tree cannot bear good fruit, nor can a good tree bear bad fruit.
Saying that one can commit evil without being evil is a copout. We see it all the time when kids do terrible things. "These are good kids" who just happened to beat a friend senseless, or do $50,000 worth of vandalism to their school, or get drunk and wreck a car.
Because actions are not an indication of one's goodness......\sarc
One wonders if Fr. Beck would say that Hitler was evil.
Motherbelt, I have to
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:01pm.
Motherbelt,
I have to respectfully disagree. First time I think!
You can carry out evil actions and not be evil. You can be influenced or forced. Someone kidnaps your children and you must kill someone or else. i know, not the case with Osama, just making a point.
Remember, we as Christians believe in redemption, that everyone can repent and that God's Mercy, which is much more powerful than any evil that man can do or that Satan can tempto us with, will always win.
This is why I am so against the death penalty as a Conservative. We do not give a chance for the person to repent. And how different are we when we kill those who also kill. We aren't any different.
Yes, by someone's fruits we have an idea of what is in that person's heart, but our personal biasis can on the way of our judgement.
As I say below, death is not something to be celebrated. Let us judge others in the same manner that we want God to judge us.
Motherbelt, more likely than not Hitler is evil, but we ultimately do not know, not until we die. His actions tell us that he is more likely than not in Hell, but once again, we ultimately do not know.
Sorry for getting preachyg. I do not mean to. I just find the whole celebration of death going on in Conservative blogs completely wrong.
We can jump for joy that a threat been neutralized...
Submitted by Rover on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:43pm.
I mostly agree (and I, too, consider myself to be a strong conservative).
We can and should be jubilent that a threat to the nation has been neutralized.
We can be thankful that the families of 9/11 victims might find some closure and peace.
We can take heart that justice has been done.
I fully support our military in actions to root out and kill those who would harm our people and our country (the more, the better, in fact). Unlike you, I approve of the death penalty for crimes that are sufficiently heinous-but mostly to provide police and prosecutors with leverage.
I feel, strongly, the world is a better place without bin Laden in it, and hope that the rest of his followers join him soon. By the thousands.
But I don't think we should rejoice in any human death. In this case, it was a necessary means to a necessary end.
Rover, Well said!!!
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:45pm.
Rover,
Well said!!!
Liberallies, I appreciate
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:22am.
Liberallies, I appreciate your point of view. But we have to agree to disagree.
Of course there is always redemption. And I did say that no one but God can see into someone's heart.
I am NOT making a final judgment on the state of bin Laden's soul. I agree, that is God's to judge.
BUT.....Jesus gave us a template by which we can make a pretty good assessment. And to say that there is always God's mercy and forgiveness means that someone evil can repent of being evil; not that the evil isn't really there. Whether someone does repent is known only to God. That's why I qualified my opinion the way I did.
If someone kidnaps one's children, or if someone is forced to kill for another reason (war, self defense), that is not an evil act. Big difference between killing and murder.
In the Jewish tradition, the 5th commandment is "Thou shalt not murder."
PS: I didn't comment on the celebrations over his death.
Motherbelt, You make some
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 10:57am.
Motherbelt,
You make some great points!! Thank you.
We can make a very good assesment, but at the end, only God knows. We'll find out once we die, but until that day, we are never 100% sure. Osama is more likely in Hell, but only God knows with 100% assurance.
Anyway, we almost agree, not total disagreement.
This reminds me of when Ted Turner didn't want
Submitted by virginia republican on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:48pm.
his CNN folks referring to the nineteen 9/11 hijackers as "terrorists" because one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Some folks just don't understand that some things ARE black and white, with no gray area. It figures that someone like Turner would be married (formerly) to Hanoi Jane.
We can call Osama Bin Laden's
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:54pm.
We can call Osama Bin Laden's actions evil. yes we can. And yes, do not judge others for God will judge you as you judge them. It is right in The Lord's Prayer.
We can call Osama Bin Laden's actions evil, but to claim that Osama Bin Laden is in Hell is to make yourself God, for only God can judge what is in the heart of a man. God will take Osama Bin Laden as a whole, not for the evil he did during his adult life, but as a whole, and God alone will make the final decision. It is ultimately up to God to decide who is Evil, not up to men, not up to humanity.
Hitler's actions were evil, is he in Hell, only God knows. More likely yes, but only God knows. Osama's actions were evil, is he in Hell, probably, however, only God knows with 100% assurance.
The celebrations I am seeing in Conservative blogs, by posters and writers over Osama's death is horrendous. Everyone here on NB knows that I am a strong Conservative, but first and foremost I am a Christian.
Jesus Christ calls us to love our enemies, to pray for our enemies just like we pray for our children.
Praying for our enemies and wishing them well, that good things come to them is what sets us apart from our enemies. Not my words, Christ's word.
O'Reilly is 100% wrong and Scott Whitlock is also wrong.
Furthermore, when we start celebrating the death of anyone, this is evil, pure evil. Death is not something to be celebrated. Life is to be celebrated and embraced.
Murderers celebrate deaths, too many abortionists celebrate death. You can't call yourself a pro-life and then turn around and celebrate the death of anyone.
The more I read Conservative blogs, the more I see why we are losing our way as a nation. Neither the Left in America nor the Right in America are Christian anymore. The Left lost it before the Right, but the Right is going downhill too, right behind the Left.
after awhile life loses its luster...
Submitted by Rackie on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:56pm.
"
Death is not something to be celebrated. Life is to be celebrated and embraced."
Well Liberallies, if you are a Christian and believe in Heaven then you should celebrate death 'cause you're going to spend eternity with Jesus and without all the pain and nonsense associated with life on earth like yard work and doing laundry and having lower back pain especially if you got a condo with a pool and a yappy little dog.
Rackie, Agreed to a certain
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:08pm.
Rackie,
Agreed to a certain extent. Remember that death was introduced to the world because of sin, the Sin of Adam and Eve. Anything introduced to the world by someone sinning is Evil.
Life is created by God, thus the most important reason why Life is precious! God created Osama Bin Laden, did He not? Yes! Thus Osama Bin Laden's life was precious. He chose to waste it, as we can see from his actions, but God's Creation of any and all humans is precious.
Satan's temptation and the Sin of Adam and Eve introduced death to the world. God did not create Death our break from God's Covenant introduced death to the world. Thus death is evil.
Yes, once we die, if we deserve it, Heaven awaits us.
but death is FAR from a pretty thing, a good thing.
Bravo! Very well said.
Submitted by dr2b on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:42pm.
Bravo! Very well said.
I must agree Liberallies
Submitted by RHawkins on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:41am.
It is somewhat natural I suppose for humans to be happy when an enemy is defeated. Being retired military I very easily default to the "kill 'em all" mindset. It is a very personal thing to try to balance the desire for revenge with the love of Christ. In our temporary earthly lives, the death of someone 'we' judge to be evil is considered a good thing. But you and the reverend are correct in that the only true judge is God. That's not something we always like, especially when it is a loved one who has suffered at the hands of evil. Nor is it really as much consolation as we wish for during that time. Sadly, as much as I sometimes wish it were so, everything isn't clear cut black and white. That's why each person has their own feelings about something like this. I spent a fair bit of time over that way doing my part to try to find him (and other enemies) and would often wish we could get it over with. The words Beck used were, I think, quite fitting: necessary evil. We sometimes take action that could be construed as evil as well, but in the name of greater good, justice, whatever. I see that as doing what needs to be done without any qualms, but I don't see it as enjoyable or something to cheer. In the end, I would always wish there could have been an easier, less costly way. My dad had a saying "wish in one hand and s%^t in the other...see which gets full the fastest".
BECK: "I would say God is not
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:54pm.
If God does not take sides, then why is there Hell and Heaven?
Exactly...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:28pm.
This "Father" Beck is nuts.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I don't know what compelled
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:45pm.
I don't know what compelled me to watch that segment. After he went off Bernie Goldberg came on and let him have with both barrel. Bernie was mad to say the least. Here it is.
ricklail: Thank you for the
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:08pm.
ricklail:
Thank you for the video link. Goldberg did seem ticked off. I'm with Goldberg.
Goldberg was plenty ticked off and...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:30pm.
rightly so...That "Father" Beck's commentary wasn't a religious commentary...It was a liberal, leftist commentary, pure and simple.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Doesn't this show just how out of touch the media
Submitted by Lipton on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:55pm.
is with America. I mean what does it take for Americans to turn the channel or turn off the TV and stop allowing themselves to be spoonfed this drivel.
There's nothing moonbattier than a liberal Catholic priest.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:58pm.
And I'm Catholic.
Ditto, and so am I...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:28pm.
Well said.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I agree, SoL....and I'm
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:17am.
I agree, SoL....and I'm Catholic too!
Goldberg was right, IMO....that wasn't Catholicism, that was liberalism.
Has anyone else noticed that
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:01pm.
Has anyone else noticed that the media treats the Tea Party worse than Osama?
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Chris Matthews: The Joy Behar of MSNBC.
Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
Pretty much....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:15pm.
all terrorists, socialists (union leaders), pedophiles, and cop-killers are treated better by the media than they treat the TEA Party. Right, Mumia abu-Jamal?
"I think I'm a good Christian"
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:10pm.
Really, O'Reilly? Then, you should at least know enough to not arrogantly assume that your personal perspective is superior to the Gospel. When Dr. Franklin Graham tells you that the Bible says in John 14:6 that "no one goes to the Father, but through me", do not be so egotistical to say, "well, I don't think God would put good people [who have not accepted Jesus] in Hell."
You obviously do not comprehend God's omnipotence and omniscience.
→ Just WOW!! Edward Beck
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:12pm.
This must be a new tradition -- refusing to call evil for what it is.
There are unfortunately...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:33pm.
quite a number of very liberal, left leaning priests in the Catholic Church, and Beck appears, by his evasive and absurd comments, to be one of them. Can anyone, clergy or not, really doubt for one minute that bin Laden was evil? I don't believe that only God can see that. Human beings are capable of seeing evil and calling it for what it is. Otherwise, how and why do we judge someone in a court of law, and punish people by sending them to jail? God has given us all a brain and a conscience to know right from wrong, and good from evil.
Ultimately, of course, bin Laden's eternal fate will be judged and decided by God, but Father Beck, imho, was prevaricating to the point of being ludicrous and just downright dopey with his comments.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
You can a person's actions
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:18pm.
You can call a person's actions evil, but to call a person evil is to claim that you know what is in that person's heart.
The only Being that knows what is in your heart is God. Thus if you claim Osama is evil, then you are claiming you are God.
Osama's actions were evil. Is he evil, more likely than not, but no human being can make this claim with 100% assurance without believing that they can see into a man's heart.
Ya know
Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:24pm.
I think you are just plain nuts. And no, I can't see into your brain..don't need to. I can tell just by your comments.
Buttercup815, Thus proving
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:38pm.
Buttercup815,
Thus proving my point, individuals like you love to believe that their are God.
thanks for playing....next.
Not really.
Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:54pm.
Are you saying that we mere mortals cannot decide who is sane and who is not? Should we just open the gate to folks like Manson and Chapman and let God sort it out?
BTW..you are nuts..get help!
Buttercup815, Youngen, you
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:03pm.
Buttercup815,
Youngen, you have been on NB for a few weeks and you are attempting to pick a bone witih people you do not know. Just move along. You are clueless as most youngens.
If you are a presumptious, arrogant person yes you can stand there and claim to know what is in the hearts and minds of others over one simple exchange in blogs.
Most humble people will not take the place of God.
and you are an idiot. Most people in nutty hospitals have been diagnosed through studies.
However, we aren't talking about declaring someone nuts, we are talking about declaring someone evil.
I am sure that somewhere along the education you received, they informed you that evil and being nuts are completely two different things.
Uncle Liberallies
Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:15pm.
I agree, while I don't think you are evil, you may be ..well you know.
Is God going to sent me to the same place as Stalin and Hilter? Cause us mere mortals decided they were EVIL.
Youngen Buttercup, My young
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:19pm.
Youngen Buttercup,
My young niece.
God will judge you as you judge others. Unless you think you are God, you are clueless if Stalin or Hitler are in Hell. MOre likely than not, they are, but you can't assertain this with 100% assurance.
Their fruits, their evil actions lead human intuition and intelligence to lead us to the conclusion they are in Hell. however, human intuition did not lead us to our Savior until God chose to reveal Him to us, right? Proving that human judgement and intuition and intelligence are not enough.
Too funny
Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:45pm.
You are so clueless you cannot tell when you are dealing with a real troll..ha ah ha. You should take some lessons from The Vet..he can detect us right away..
Did you really think I've only been here a few weeks???
Truly trollish
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:52pm.
Some trolls complain when they are called out and called names. You, however, having no argument on you side, object to being treated with respect.
And calling out the Vet? You are a glutton for punishment.
We can't change who we are!
Submitted by buttercup815 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:59pm.
Besides, I have great respect for The Vet..he says what he believes.
Now If I get banned..not to hard to come back. Just set up a dummy Gmail account...and I'm back
buttercup
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:05pm.
Judging by that last post, you have a sad little life. Ever considering leaving the basement? It's spring, get some fresh air.
Radical, Buttercup is
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:44pm.
Radical,
Buttercup is certainly one weird person. Wow!! never run into anyone who is proud to be a troll.
Assumptions
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 6:58am.
First of all I don't live in basement..though my wife does send me down there from time to time. I am retired and have had a full rich life. I have children and a grandchild on the way.
I get plenty of fresh air, but I have a list of things to do everyday to keep busy..annoying NB's just happens to be one of them..sorry 'bout that.
How sad Buttercup,
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:24am.
But how typical of liberals. Instead of doing something positive with your time you choose to "annoy NB's".
It amazes me that an adult can so proudly admit to that.
Did you miss the part where I
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:32am.
Did you miss the part where I said I have a list? I am also learning Bach's cello prelude for guitar..but I digress. I think annoying NB's is a 'positive' thing. I hear laughter is the best medicine ;)
Buttercup I missed nothing
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:43am.
But you are like a child. Justifying juvenile behavior with something you consider edifying is childish. You can choose to take the high road and make positive contributions to the world. Or like most liberals you can continue to behave childishly for your own small amusement.
You are one of the reasons I am a conservative.
Ok I give up..I was trying to
Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:50am.
Ok I give up..I was trying to find out how long it would take to get banned or at least bring out The Vet..Didn't work so now I have other things to do..so thanks for your time.
I accept you surrender
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:54am.
Unconditionally.
Very mature, isn't he?
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:42am.
Rad, he can only "annoy" us if we let him.
Don't play into his hands.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both end up dirty. And the pig likes it.
(can't remember who said that).
MB
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 7:51am.
He's not annoying me. I appreciate that buttercup admits he isn't here to debate, just to act childishly. It proves he isn't worth getting annoyed at because there is no thought or belief behind his posts.
But I loved having the admission of a troll locked in.
→ That's right
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:25pm.
Sorta' like calling a dead person a Saint when only God knows, huh?
Yep...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:31pm.
Right you are.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Cool Arrow, Please do not
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:32pm.
Cool Arrow,
Please do not start. you got an educational spanking the other day, oh pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
You never did answer, Christ spoke with dead people, Elijah and Moses. Hmmm...according to you he is wrong for doing this? Not only did he speak with them, he also allowed a few of his Apostles to see it!
But don't worry, a dishonest man like you who evades all questions that destroy his personal interpretations of the Bible is but an arrogant fool.
The Church makes no mistakes in matters of Faith and Dogma, declaring that someone is in Heaving falls under this. However, if you were as knowledgeable about Catholicism as you arrogantly make it seem, you know that never once in the history of the Church has the Church ever claimed to know if someone is in Hell.
Open up a book or two and start learning something for once.
→ OK fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:43pm.
I hereby declare you "in Heaving"?
Maybe you drank too much?
Cool Arrow. That is what I
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:53pm.
Cool Arrow.
That is what I thought son. I mean, pope of the church he is too ashamed to name. Why so ashamed to name the church you belong to, or is it that you belong the the Church of Cool Arrow? wouldn't doubt it for a second.
You keep on proving that a Bible scholar you are not. Just an arrogant fool who pretends to know the Bible who adds and subtracts to the Bible as he sees fit.
I thought praying, speaking to the dead was wrong, so why did Jesus Christ do it during The Transfiguration and allow his Apostles to see him doing it? Ooops! Will Cool Arrow claim that Jesus Christ sin? Knowing this poor fool, no doubt.
And nothing on giving me Chatper and Verse of where I can find the words Sola Scriptura, eh?
I guess nothing on getting an education, right? Just keep on using your sad attempts at sarcams to cover up your hate, your arrogance, your ignorance all based on your lack of education to cover up your immense ignorance, arrogance and sad presumptions.
Sorry fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:26pm.
I forgot all about the part where Jesus allowed his Apostles to talk to Moses and Elijah.
OOPS, that's right! They didn't talk with Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration.
And Jesus could do anything he wanted.
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:50pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Once again, you are cornered and you are coming up with ridiculous arguments. But you wouldn't be you if you didn't make things up, would you.
Nothing on giving me the Chapter and Verse where we can find the words Sola Scriptura, eh? you are proving how wrong you are. So, you want things literal, word by word when they suit you, but when you need it not to be literal, you interpret it as you wish. Ah, one has to love false prophets like Cool Arrow.
So, which one is it. Should we take the Bible literally or not?
you get crazier and crazier with each post. and less and less consistent. Well, you are consistent in your hate for the Church and lack of understanding and knowledge of the Bible. But 100% inconsistent when it comes interpreting the Bible literally or not.
No, Jesus Christ spoke with dead people and as everything in the Gospel, we are to follow his example, not yours Cool Arrow. You aren't Christ, even though you like to pretend. Or should we follow Christ's example in the areas that Cool ARrows tells us to do so.
Christ can do whatever he wants, but everything He did in the Gospels is for us to follow his example. As a Christian, or at least the one your prtend to be, you should know this.
Nice try kid. I am waiting for you to make the sad statement that the Earth is just 6,000 years old.
Say what?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:54pm.
Why would I say the Earth is only 6,000 years old? Is the age of the earth possible to know?
Maybe you can tell me. Y'all are the ones who got so mixed up you even canonized (at least one, anyway) angel, who by the way, were never human.
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:09pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to ashamed to name.
Cannonized an Angel? Now you have truly gone the deep end! WOW!!!!
you are a nutjob, my looney toon Radical Fundamentalist.
Talking to you is not differnt than talkign to a radical atheist. WOW!!! pathetic.
individuals like you is what makes is it so hard to bring people over to the Conservative movement, to fix the USA, to take it from the Left wing Radicals.
Make anything up as long as it moves Cool Arrows agenda right along.
Shameful kid, truly shameful.
You're right, of course.
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:24pm.
You didn't canonize him, you just call him Saint Michael so you'll have somebody else who's NOT dead to pray to.
You do realize a whole bunch of angels got in a lot of trouble for allowing themselves to be confused as to what species they belonged to. Don't you?
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:26pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name. So, nothing on giving me the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where the words Sola Scriptura can be found. Still busy being a radical, wacked out, crazy, poorly informed "Christian" Fundamentalist I see.
Are you a retard? sorry, rhetorical question.
Calling someone a Saint, like SAINT Michael, is acknowledging that St. Michael, an archangel is...IN HEAVEN!!!!
But heck, you "know" so much, right?
it has nothing to do with cannonizing him.
The saddest part is that you truly believe you have the upper hand or something.
Do you not realize how crazy you come across? We cannonized an angle, wow!!!
The Saint before a name means, in the Roman Catholic Church, that the being, in this case an Angel, is in Heaven.
But heck, it is probably your opinion that St. Michael the Archangel is not in heaven, right Cool ARrow?
This is fun, keep it coming son.
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:30pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name publicly.
1) Please show Chapter and Verse(s) where I can find the words Sola Scriptura
2) Please show Chatper and Verse(s) where the Bible says that using contraceptives is moral and good.
3) Please start being consistent, should one take the Bible literally, as you claim when you attack the Church's dogma of Immaculate Conception or should one interpret the Bible as you want when you can't find the words Soal Scriptura, but show verses that you interpret as such.
4) Please study the fact that just because you or someone else calls you a Catholic, it doesn't necessarily make you one. Catholicism is not a race.
You have outworded Cool about 100 to 1
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:30pm.
How can you possibly read all of this out of a few sentences? Talk about conclusion jumping. Contraceptives, really?
"No one, likes getting slapped around with someone else's religion".
Looney toon Right wing
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:25pm.
Looney toon Right wing fundamentalist, like Cool Arrow, have zero problem declaring whether someone is in Hell or not. Without any study, without anything. Just because Cool Arrow said so.
Yet, they have a hard time with the Dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, after years, in some cases centuries, of studying the life of an indiviudal, miracles, etc, whether a person is a Saint or not.
One has to love the hypocrisy and arrogance from the Radical Christian Fundamentalist who are as dangerous to America as the Looney Left.
Yeah, right
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:41pm.
So while you and your liberal lefty Catholic friends are voting for Obama, me and my fundamentalists are trying to get conservatives elected.
And you say that's dangerous to America?
Brilliant, fut!
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:06pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name. Conservatives like who?
And Catholics? How different are you from the radical, wacked out liberal media if you believe that those who vote for Obama and call themselves Catholic or the media labels as Catholics are practicing Catholics. Catholicism doesn't mean merely being born into it. We aren't a race, you doofus!! hahaha....not only ignorant in religion, but also on other facts.
This is getting sad for you.
Yes, Radical Right Wing Fundamentalist like you are dangerous for America, not only for America, but also for Christianity and the soul of people.
You confuse them, you speak in half-truths and complete lies.
No, "brilliant" of you Cool Arrow to believe that merely because someone calls himself/herself Catholic or the Liberal media lables as Catholics, they are actually Roman Catholics.
Thanks for proving that you will fall for anything that suits you radical, wacked out agenda.
Weak minded you are and knowledgeable you are not.
But if you want to talk about who is destroying America. why is it that Christian Fundamentalist allow for contraceptives, care to point where in the Bible this can be found?
Thanks to LIberals, non-practicing Catholics and PRACTICING Fundamentlist Christians who use contraceptions, the human race is not popullating at a rate that will keep our population growing.
Protestant churches allow for contraception since 1933. Thanks to this teaching, NOT FOUND in the Bible, the human race for the first time in history will soon hit a non-growth. Who will you convert to your radicalism if you aren't having babies?
So, homework for you kid.
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
Yes, Radical Fundamentlist like you is the problem with America. They turn people off to Christianity because instead of living it, they preach a lot, but do not have an ounce of living the Bible inside of them. In fact, living the Bible is a concept beyond your conprehension as you have proven time and time again.
futbol as Yoda?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:27pm.
"Weak minded you are and knowledgeable you are not." - Lieberlillies
You're watching too much Star Wars.
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:13pm.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church you are too ashamed to name.
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
→ fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:19pm.
I have answered both questions 1 & 2. Your inability to remember is no concern of mine.
And you're not going to find a condemnation of contraception in the Bible either. And, yes, I know where you're going to point for proof, and yes, you're wrong about that, too.
Cool Arrow, The word
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:29pm.
Cool Arrow,
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
Everything else you said...a lie, as always and your usual evasion of answering questions that destroy your arguments.
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
6)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. 2) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convinient, reading of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are no where to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
→ Oh, verbose, Mr. fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:55pm.
Your ability to flood copious quantities of words onto the page does not guarantee coherence, factuality, or succinctness.
And lying to defend your faith does nothing to ensure your claim to the moral high ground. You know Paul taught from Scripture, (I've pointed it out to you) but for purposes of argument, you deny it.
Now, could you please refute my measly post with at least 2000 words of nonsense?
Cool Arrow, The word
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:26pm.
Cool Arrow,
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
Everything else you said...a lie, as always and your usual evasion of answering questions that destroy your arguments.
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
6)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. 2) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convinient, reading of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are no where to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
7) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes.
8) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
9) Do you honestly believe, son, that becuase you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
10) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interpret and teach the Bible?
Cool Arrow... right back
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:32pm.
Cool Arrow...
right back atcha kid!
And lying to defend your faith and your attacks against the Roman Catholic Church does NOTHING to ensure you have the moral high ground.
Please name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible, in the Gospels that St. Paul used to teach. St. Paul used Tradition and the word of others to teach the life of Jesus Christ to others and Christ's works and actions since the Gospel did not exist during his time.
If St. Paul did not do such a thing, start naming Chapter and Verse(s) in the Gospels that St. Paul used to teach.
If Tradition is wrong, why did St. Paul use Tradition to teach about the life of Jesus Christ, about Christ's three public years? Not one for deep thinking are you, eh?
Cool Arrow, The "logic" of
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:42pm.
Cool Arrow,
So, you are using TRADITION to claim that contraceptives is not wrong since it is not condemned in the Bible and Protestants in 1933 said it was ok to use. HAHAHA!!!, ok, gotcah son. LOL you are too easy kid. You gotta tell your pastor to train you better or you really need to use better websites to help you out. You are using the word and tradition of Protestant preachers, minsters of 1933 to make it ok to use contraceptives. AHHHH....yes, tradition is ok, interpreting the Bible is ok as long as these fit the purpose and beliefs of poor little Cool Arrow...son, son. You need help.
The "logic" of wacky Fundamentalist like Cool Arrow, since supposedly the Bible doesn't condemn it, best err on the side of not having children than having children. Geez that is why God said, be fruitful and multiply, I guess he was speaking to everyone else except Protestants, non-practicing "Catholics" and Liberals who use contraceptives, rights?
Oh wait, my bad. Only Cool Arrow is allowed to interpret the Bible, in the areas that suit him. Other times he demands that the Bible be taken literally.
The arrogance of Cool Arrow and his ilk. They alone can inform everyone else the meaning of the Bible. How dare the Roman Catholic Church attempt to take the place of Cool Arrow? LOL
That's fine with me, don't be fruitful and multiply, studies prove that 80% of children retain the religious and political beliefs of their parents. This means that practicing Roman Catholics who are open to life, to having a big family , will outnumber radical wignuts like you soon.
So, hey disobey God, but your ilk will have no one to convert soon since your species will be gone. Funny how God allows evil to destroy itself, right? Don't have children, you'll pay the price sooner later.
Funny how you pick and choose where to obey Him and where to disobey Him. Man, who else did that? His name starts with "L". Hmmmm....
As Liberals pick and choose the parts of the Constitution that suits and helps their purposes and selfish needs... individuals like you do EXACTLY the same thing. Pick and choose the parts of the Bible that suit your needs and discard everything.
His name starts with "L".
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:00pm.
Hmmmm . . . starts with "L"?
I know! Liberallies?
Cool Arrow, Hahahaha...told
Submitted by Liberallies on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:45pm.
Cool Arrow,
Hahahaha...
told you kid, you aren't a Bible scholar. The name Liberallies appears no where in Scripture. HAHAHA!!!! you are too easy.
plus of course, Liberallies is not a name, it is a username. Huge difference, so nice attempt at being witty, but son, it falls flat....try harder.
C'mon, you know you can give better than you have given the past few days. I don't think your Fundamentalist Christian friends are too proud of you right now. i have destroyed, demolished, embarrased every single one of your points. C'mon kid, you need to do better Witness. You need better attack lines than century old myths, half-truths, lies, misunderstandings, misconceptions that have been thrown against the roman catholic church long before you were manipulated into believing this.
C'mon son, I give you a few more tries. I know you can do it. SI SE PUEDE! Cool Arrow, you can do it.
Or do you rather call it a night, run to your pastor and Christian Fundamentalist friends and see what other stupid cliches, false rhettorics they can spew against the Church for you to then run to NB and mindlessly throw as many as you can out to see which one sticks. Let me know, but something tells me you can do much, much better than you have done so far.
I don't have the moral superiority, The Roman Catholic Church, The Church of Jesus Christ, God's Church has it and not ONE of your simple minded cliches against the Church have stuck. But you can keep on repeating them as much as you want. You NEED to believe them. LOL
Anything on using tradition of 1933 in order to excuse the evil of contraception? anything son? anything at all? C'mon Cool. I know you would NEVER attack Tradition as used by the Roman Catholic Church and then use tradition and teachings outside of the Bible to excuse a moral behavior. Nah...no way. Not you Cool Arrow. HAHAHA!!!!
Have some dignity son, please. Stop your foaming at the mouth, your rabid and incoherent attacks against the Roman Catholic Church. My goodness boy, did your parents not teach you to have some dignity.
You don't disappointed, Truther-like, Birther like wacko. No matter the Truth, you keep on repeating like a broken record half-truths, lies and misconceptions that you NEED to believe.
you are a glutton for punishment.
fut-loose
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:59pm.
You did not stipulate who in Scripture has a name starting with "L".
There you go again. Lying to defend your faith.
It's understandable, I guess, in a twisted sort of way. Your way, anyway.
Cool Arrow, pope of the
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:13am.
Cool Arrow,
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Oh, my poor "Christian" Fundamentalist Birther-like, Truther-Like, Racer-Like wacko.
So, we are talking Holy Bible=Scripture, but when it suits you, all of a sudden we are not talking about it. I pity you kid, I truly do. Just like when I proved your assertions against the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wrong, you then moved the goal and attacked because supposedly I had refused to articulate what this Dogma teaches.
Anyway, anything on answering....
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
6)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
7) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
8) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
9) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
10) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
Hey Liberallies
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:00pm.
Could you explain a little more about a few of the points you enumerated? Of particular interest would be a little more fleshing out of points #1 thru #10.
I'll be glad to argue them with you when you're done.
Cool Arrow,Stop stalling
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:26pm.
Cool Arrow,
Stop stalling kid.....
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Oh, my poor "Christian" Fundamentalist Birther-like, Truther-Like, Racer-Like wacko.
So, we are talking Holy Bible=Scripture, but when it suits you, all of a sudden we are not talking about it. I pity you kid, I truly do. Just like when I proved your assertions against the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wrong, you then moved the goal and attacked because supposedly I had refused to articulate what this Dogma teaches.
Anyway, anything on answering....
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
6)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
7) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
8) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
9) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
10) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
→ Fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:43pm.
Please direct me to one of my posts where I have used the words "Sola Scriptura"
I've allowed you, for days, to blather on about those words, and I'm just wondering why you think I said them.
Then we'll get into the other non-points you make.
Cool Arrow, Stop stalling
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:38pm.
Cool Arrow,
Stop stalling kid.....
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Oh, my poor "Christian" Fundamentalist Birther-like, Truther-Like, Racer-Like wacko.
So, we are talking Holy Bible=Scripture, but when it suits you, all of a sudden we are not talking about it. I pity you kid, I truly do. Just like when I proved your assertions against the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wrong, you then moved the goal and attacked because supposedly I had refused to articulate what this Dogma teaches.
Anyway, anything on answering....
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
1) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
2) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
3) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
4) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
5) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
6)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
7) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
8) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
9) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
10) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
→ So, fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:46pm.
In the absence of any proof I have ever claimed the words "Sola Scriptura" are contained in the Bible, I must once again observe you are not at all averse to lying to defend your faith.
You have succeeded in putting your version of Catholicism on the same plane as Islam, where it is permissible to lie to infidels in order to get what you want.
Nice goin' there fut. No better than a Mohammedan.
Cool Arrow,Stop stalling
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 2:39pm.
Cool Arrow,
Stop stalling kid.....
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Oh, my poor "Christian" Fundamentalist Birther-like, Truther-Like, Racer-Like wacko.
So, we are talking Holy Bible=Scripture, but when it suits you, all of a sudden we are not talking about it. I pity you kid, I truly do. Just like when I proved your assertions against the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wrong, you then moved the goal and attacked because supposedly I had refused to articulate what this Dogma teaches.
Anyway, anything on answering....
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
1)Why do you lie so much, from lies against the Roman Catholic Church, lies of what other say when we defend Her to lying about what you have said and implied you are a liar through and through, however you then turn around and claim that it is I who lie? Why the need to lie, kid? Why the desperate need to lie, liar?
2) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
3) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
4) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
5) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
6) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
7)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
8) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
9) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
10) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
11) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
→ You're out of control, fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:03pm.
If you wish to lie, as Muslims do, in defense of your faith, it's your business. But don't expect fellow Catholics to appreciate it.
A asked you to show me where I said the words "Sola Scriptura" are in the Bible, and you can't do it.
Lying to defend your faith? Why do you do that?
Cool Arrow, Stop stalling
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:12pm.
Cool Arrow,
Stop stalling kid.....
pope of the church he is too ashamed to name.
Oh, my poor "Christian" Fundamentalist Birther-like, Truther-Like, Racer-Like wacko.
So, we are talking Holy Bible=Scripture, but when it suits you, all of a sudden we are not talking about it. I pity you kid, I truly do. Just like when I proved your assertions against the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception wrong, you then moved the goal and attacked because supposedly I had refused to articulate what this Dogma teaches.
Anyway, anything on answering....
The word abortion is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Thus, using your warped logic, abortion is not wrong since it is not condemn in the Bible. However, we all can agree that abortions are evil. Are you saying that only what the Bible condemns directly is evil and wrong?
1)Why do you lie so much, from lies against the Roman Catholic Church, lies of what other say when we defend Her to lying about what you have said and implied you are a liar through and through, however you then turn around and claim that it is I who lie? Why the need to lie, kid? Why the desperate need to lie, liar?
2) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
3) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
4) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
5) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
6) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
7)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
8) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
9) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
10) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
11) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
→ fut plays PopTech
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:49pm.
I guess I wore you down.
Now you're just playing copy/paste like PopTech used to.
Liberallies, the Muslo-Catholic PopTech. He lies to defend his faith.
Cool Arrow, Are you
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:21pm.
Cool Arrow,
Are you serious? You wore me out? Son, you have been spewing hate and lies against the Roman Catholic Church on NB for over 5 years. I have always slapped you around and set you straight throughout all five years.
As a "good" Christian, you have refused to follow the rules of NB and engaged in attacking a religion. But not that you as a "Christian" care about the rules, right "Christian"? Per the rules placed years ago when your other wacked out lunatic went all over NB attacking religions, no one is to engage in this type of behavior while on NB. But you are the type of coward who believes the rules do not apply to him. Typical of your ilk.
I will engage you when you stop being a coward and answer the questions below. Until then, every time you engage in your ridiculous lies, half-truths, misconceptions, misunderstandings statements against the Roman Catholic Church, I will throw out the questions which you are terrified to answer. Until you grow up and become a man, I will not give you the privilege of treating you like an intellect, however, I will treat you like the child that you have so far proven to be.
1)Why do you lie so much, from lies against the Roman Catholic Church, lies of what other say when we defend Her to lying about what you have said and implied you are a liar through and through, however you then turn around and claim that it is I who lie? Why the need to lie, kid? Why the desperate need to lie, liar?
2) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
3) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
4) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
5) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
6) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
7)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
8) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
9) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
10) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
11) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
→ Fut
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:29pm.
?
Cool Arrow, Are you serious?
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:38pm.
Cool Arrow,
Are you serious? You wore me out? Son, you have been spewing hate and lies against the Roman Catholic Church on NB for over 5 years. I have always slapped you around and set you straight throughout all five years.
As a "good" Christian, you have refused to follow the rules of NB and engaged in attacking a religion. But not that you as a "Christian" care about the rules, right "Christian"? Per the rules placed years ago when your other wacked out lunatic went all over NB attacking religions, no one is to engage in this type of behavior while on NB. But you are the type of coward who believes the rules do not apply to him. Typical of your ilk.
I will engage you when you stop being a coward and answer the questions below. Until then, every time you engage in your ridiculous lies, half-truths, misconceptions, misunderstandings statements against the Roman Catholic Church, I will throw out the questions which you are terrified to answer. Until you grow up and become a man, I will not give you the privilege of treating you like an intellect, however, I will treat you like the child that you have so far proven to be.
1)Why do you lie so much, from lies against the Roman Catholic Church, lies of what other say when we defend Her to lying about what you have said and implied you are a liar through and through, however you then turn around and claim that it is I who lie? Why the need to lie, kid? Why the desperate need to lie, liar?
2) Name the religion you are too ashamed to name publicly.
3) Please list Chapter and Verse(s) that use the words Sola Scriptura.
4) Decide once and for all if you want your minions to take the Bible literally, word for word or they can interpret it.
5) Study the fact that just because you call yourself Catholic or the Liberal media labels you Catholic, it doesn't mean you are Roman Catholic.
6) Please point out to the Chapter and Verse(s) in the Bible where God says that contraception is morally good. I mean since Christian Fundamentalist allow it and use it, it has to be in the Bible.
7)If Tradition is wrong and the Bible is the only authority, a) Why did St. Paul say it is ok to use. b) Using your logic, using your warped beliefs and misreading of the Bible, or more like convenient readings of the Bible of Sola Scriptura, St. Paul is wrong in any and all parts of his teachings he did not use the Holy bible. He never used the Holy Bible to teach the teachings of Christ or the life of Christ. He based it on Tradition and the words and works of others. So reconcile these facts with your misguided belief of Sola Scriptura. Of course two words that are nowhere to be found in the Bible and the reason you can't name Chapter and Verse(s).
8) Name Chapter and Verse(s) in the Holy Bible that St. Paul used in order to teach the multitudes about the public life of Christ and Christ’s teachings.
9) Why do you use the traditions and teachings of Protestants in 1933 to claim contraception is ok to use, but claim that the Church using Tradition is wrong?
10) Do you honestly believe, son, that because you say so it is? You keep on using yourself as the final authority of the meaning of the Bible, do you think I care what you say? Who died and made you God?
11) Please explain why you are allowed to interpret and teach the Bible as you wish, but have a sh..t fit and you foam at the mouth because the Roman Catholic Church, The Pope, the Magisterium interprets and teaches the Bible?
Not really as we are all evil
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:31pm.
Not really as we are all evil in God's eyes until saved by Jesus. So unless Obama is saved then he is evil. All through the Bible it says what is evil and what is not. So whether or not Obama's fruits are evil unless one has been saved then he is evil. For misleading the public the priest is committing acts of evil and shall answer directly to God for his actions.
Another view
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:33pm.
Does God lay out a destiny for us? Is He the deciding factor in all that we do and do we do the deeds of God or those that He has chosen for us? If He guides all and has a plan for all, the OBL only did as he was made or meant to do. I do not believe that, I believe that we have free will and that we do as we choose, regardless of how God would want us to be. That being said, it is not man's place to judge man in a way that relates to the resting place of their eternal soul, that is God's place alone. We can condemn a person, bring them to justice through our courts, but we cannot rightly decide if a person's actions were evil and damnation worthy based on our own norms.
God said that in relation to
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:45pm.
God said that in relation to other believers not non believers, so your axiom does not apply here. Bin Laden is evil and in Hell. And we are called upon by God to make judgments in a persons disposition, if not then how are we to know where to apply the most message for the bang. God gave us discernment and we should use it.
This is just my view, but...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:04pm.
...I'm pretty sure that it's safe for anyone who hasn't orchestrated mass-murders of innocents in God's name to say Bin Laden was thoroughly and irredeemably evil.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Here's your card Father Beck.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:17pm.
You are...........oh, nevermind, you wouldn't understand.
A little perspective
Submitted by The Irishman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:22pm.
Are we talking about evil in the Biblical sense or by definition?
Don't feed the (24x retread) troll.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:26pm.
.
I kind of understand Father Beck....but...
Submitted by Boil It Down on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:31pm.
I often struggle with the questions of whether a person is merely possessed by evil or evil themselves. However, I don't understand how Father Beck could possibly have a doubt about Osama Bin Laden being evil incarnate. If Beck is actually a theologian, I should think he'd have a better handle on it. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" shouldn't enter into the argument concerning Bin Laden in my philosophy. -bidn-
Ignorance.
Submitted by IRQ Conflict on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:56pm.
There seems to be plenty of it in so-called "Christian" circles. Even here on this blog. People need to educate themselves within the confines of the Word.
Most eagerly take the Word out of context (or are ignorant of the context) and apply it to their personal wish list. Yes, it is true God does not take pleasure in the demise of the wicked as He would rather they repent. As Christ said, He came to save, not destroy.
There is a way that seems right to man but leads to death.
But as motherbelt pointed out Christ told us we would know a tree by it's fruit. Be it a good tree or a bad tree. This "judgment" is what used to be called back in the day "common sense".
When Christ told us not to judge others for we will be judged as we have judged others, He was talking about judging someone else via our flawed and self righteous nature i.e. vigilantism.
It is the Righteous Judgment of God that we rely on to judge others. By Gods standard rather than our own. When God has already Judged something/someone bad or good it thus follows that we are not judging by anything but by God.
All we have to do is reference the ten Commandments to see who is a law breaker and who is not. Buy their actions! Everyone is tempted to do wrong but not everyone is going to do it.
Romans 13
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Maybe We Need an American Bible
Submitted by Avitar on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:08pm.
America had such wonderful men that understood so much more than today's pundents and one of those, Edmund Burke, observed that "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing:"
If Father Edward Beck cannot show good judgment, recognize and condem evil then he aids evil. It is not in the public interest for ABC to retain a religion correspondent if they are going to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
God created evil
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:39pm.
No?
The
Submitted by Bob K on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 7:49pm.
kill him and let God sort it out solution works fine for me.
That
Submitted by The Irishman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:07pm.
Actually makes sense.
Can't discern evil???
Submitted by lkotur on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:03pm.
Then why would I listen to you to find out what is good if you cannot tell the difference?
God forbid that this man must take a stand!
Submitted by Thalpy on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:16pm.
If he can't make a judgement about good and evil, what's he doing as a man of God?
From my pastor...
Submitted by saintknowitall on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:20pm.
...... "Pacifists can only dwell in the midst of people who believe in self-defense."
another quote
Submitted by saintknowitall on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:22pm.
from my pastor...... "Christ's death was substitutionary 4 the redemption of man. It was not a blanket acceptance of pacifism." (yes he does tweet.)
One more quote
Submitted by saintknowitall on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:23pm.
Romans 13:4 "Agents who kill evil-doers r called ministers of God. Their anointing is different from ours but very necessary."
→ Goliath
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:23pm.
David brought the head of Goliath back to Jerusalem.
Is that like taking a trophy?
If I went to his church and he said that in front of me, ...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:03pm.
I'd stand up, walk out and find a new church.
I don't think this interprets
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:23am.
I don't think this interprets "judge not lest ye be judged" correctly.
We refer to individuals as "evil" under the same terms we might refer to someone as a "liar". A person who lies once in his life, and does so because he's compromised, is not a "liar". A person is a liar when he lies so repeatedly and unashamedly that we understand lying as part of who he is, so we expect him to lie in the future. A person who we call "evil" is someone who commits so much unashamed evil that we see being evil as part of who he is, so we expect him to do evil in the future.
What the scripture reminds us to do is to treat others with compassion, because its always possible, at least as far as we know, that someone can save himself and be redeemed. Even a wicked person may have a good nature to them that can appealed to. That's what it means not to have a window into someone's soul : not that you can't judge what you see of them, but you can't judge what you don't see of them.
Evil...
Submitted by stage9 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:36am.
1) The actions would not have been evil lest the person committing them had evil intent. If the person committing them had evil intent it is from his own heart that this evil was conceived and proceeded.
2) We are forced to make judgments everyday. Law is based upon the notion that we have a moral obligation to make judgments. Murderers are on death row precisely because their actions overstepped a perceived moral boundary. If we had no right to make moral judgments their evil would continue unrestrained.
Proverbs 11:10, “When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices; when the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.”
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner." — Malcolm Muggeridge
I saw the segment and agree
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:12pm.
I saw the segment and agree we should not be handing out flags and rah-rahing! Come on. This is ugly, gross stuff--yes, realpolitik, war, what have you, but ugly and gross. Do we want to be a death-oriented society like Iran or Mexico...I sure don't want to dwell on the stuff of nightmares all the time. I posted on this.. http://healthsass.blogspot.com. Violence is real--I have been the object of it. This is not a computer game.
I think you may have a slight error in judgement
Submitted by colt4548 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 2:48pm.
Violence is part of the human condition. There will always be people ( usually Leftists) who think they have to right to rule others. The basis of this belief is simple ego. Likewise, there will always be people who refuse to submit to their authority, whether it is justifiable or not. This simple dynamic explains the violence of the human condition, It can be applied to simple interactions like the school yard bully, as well as nation states. This simple dynamic also does much to explain world history. The only way to defend against this part of human nature is the threat of retaliation. The level of retaliation is the only variable, and depends on the situation.
We can celebrate extreme retaliation in good conscience, because fighting for freedom from another persons judgement or actions is inherently noble and good. The People who fight for others who cannot fight for themselves is the highest form of nobility.
True freedom=freedom from the judgement of another
Are we supposed to be surprised???
Submitted by swathdiver on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:47pm.
The "judge not" philosophy is heretical and unbiblical but espoused by many so-called christians. That these statements came from a man who practices popery is even less surprising since he, like Osama bin Laden, is an unsaved and evil man destined for hell too.
This "reverend's" lack of knowledge
Submitted by colt4548 on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 1:55pm.
When I took philosophy 101 in college, the first paragraph in the opening chapter stated (paraphrasing): philosophy is about judgement, how can one decide if something is in accordance with any moral code (secular, or religious) without judging it? For this " leader" to not decide if someone or something is good or evil violates this fundamental requirement. His arguments wouldn't pass muster with an atheist philosopher! Proving once again that Left Wing media figures, have neither the education, or experience to be considered "Elites of the country", or "the conscience of the country".
"how does it make us any
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 2:03pm.
"how does it make us any better than those in the Mid East who celebrate when America falls?"
I assume he's talking about the limp-wristed liberals on New York's mid Upper East Side? They love it when America fails.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
I would have asked him
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 4:26pm.
I would have asked him whether there's a difference between a tyrant celebrating his murder of his citizens, and between the citizens celebrating the overthrowing of that tyrant.
Fr. Beck's comments on O'Reilly
Submitted by donaldduck on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 3:42pm.
I saw the segment on The Factor and almost jumped thru the TV when Fr. Beck said that we cannot judge OBL as being evil. If , indeed, we cannot judge someone to be evil, then it stands to reason that we cannot judge someone to be good. In other words, Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II, Ghandi, MLK,Jr., etc cannot be thought of as being good. Gosh, liberalism (and stupidity) has no boundaries.