On Monday's "Good Morning America," the morning show featured a new religious expert who explained away some of the radical statements heard at Barack Obama's now former church. Father Edward Beck, the host of "Faith Matters Now" on ABC News's video site ABC News Now, also defended Father Michael Pfleger, the latest religious leader to make incendiary remarks at Trinity United Church. (In a video, Pfleger can be heard condemning, "I also believe that America is the greatest sin against God.") Co-host Chris Cuomo prompted, "You say he's much more than how he's being characterized as this kind of bad parody of an African-American preacher. Tell me."
Responding to the softball, Beck justified, "Well, everybody is more than a few sound bites can demonstrate." The two, along with NPR analyst Juan Williams were discussing not only Pfleger, but also the enthusiastic response the mostly African American congregation gave him and (on other occasions) the incendiary Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Again, Beck, who was appearing on GMA for the first time as a religious expert, offered standard liberal guilt by asserting, "But I think you have to understand underneath [the congregation's cheering] there is real sentiment. There is a feeling of being disenfranchised."
It was left to the NPR representative Williams, who is also a regular on ABC, to make the tough critiques about Obama's church. After Cuomo, who identified Obama as "the unity candidate," asked about the political ramifications, Williams explained that Americans are going to ask, "Why is [Obama] associated with these people who are so inflammatory and mean-spirited and even racial?" In very tough terms, Williams went on to decry individuals such as Pfleger and Wright:
JUAN WILLIAMS: They are stirring people up, appealing to their most base, racist sentiments. What you saw from Father Pfleger the other day looked to me like a minstrel show being put on for black people and I thought that he was mocking. He was bitter. This is not speaking to ideas of lifting people up or speaking to the Christ in us all, black and white and speaking to us as brothers.
Despite this, Williams was outnumbered by Beck and Cuomo. Beck glowingly insisted that Obama began a discussion on ethnicity "with that great speech on race that he gave." Oddly, neither Father Beck, nor Cuomo, who is also Catholic, noted that Chicago Cardinal Francis George has reprimanded Pfleger for engaging in politics. If Beck, whose "demo reel" can be seen here, is going to become a regular on GMA, conservatives, thus far, have no reason to be encouraged that he will offer a right leaning perspective.
On a side note, GMA reporter Jake Tapper should be commended for covering and actually playing Pfleger's latest comments.
A transcript of the June 2 segment, which aired at 7:33am, follows:
CHRIS CUOMO: And joining us live for some perspective on Obama's decision are NPR senior political analyst Juan Williams and Father Edward Beck, the host of ABC News Now's "Faith Matters Now." Gentlemen, thank you for both being here. Father, let me begin with you. You know Father Pfleger. You say he's much more than how he's being characterized as this kind of bad parody of an African-American preacher. Tell me.
FATHER EDWARD BECK: Well, everybody is more than a few sound bites can demonstrate. I mean, I worked with him for three years. I saw him get arrested for injustice against African-American people. He adopted an African-American child. I mean, he really walks the talk and I think you can't just look at this and say this is the whole person. He is more than that.
CUOMO: Okay, so this is who the man is. Juan, let me bring you in for what the impact is. How do you think this will play for Obama, the unity candidate? Is this going to be seen as more white bashing? How does this play for him?
JUAN WILLIAMS: I mean, you just heard in this latest clip that's come out where he says America is the greatest sin against God. It sounds more like, you know, the whole thing about God, you know, America coming from Reverend Wright. It stirs up all those feelings again. If you look at recent Pew poll numbers that came out, it indicates Barack Obama's favorability ratings have been sinking, especially with the swing voters as we head toward the general election. White women, Jews, Latinos, a real problem. People identify Obama as young, energetic, telegenic, intelligent, a man who is talking about change and unifying the races and then the second thing that comes to mind is, but, gee what about this Reverend Wright? What about Father Pfleger? Why is he associated with these people who are so inflammatory and mean-spirited and even racial? I mean, that mocking of Hillary Clinton goes beyond any black liberation theology. That's putting down somebody who has a fairly progressive record on race in America.
CUOMO: Now, as far as Obama is concerned, there has been the point made you have to separate him from the statements of others but there does seem to be a sensitivity. Something that's very interesting in what happens here though as we look at the video of that speech. The audience. The reaction of the audience. Predominantly black, of course, even though the preacher is white. Father Beck, how do you think whites should react to what they see here, the enthusiasm for this really negative speech?
BECK: Well, I'm sure they may be a bit frightened by it. But I think you have to understand underneath it there is real sentiment. There is a feeling of being disenfranchised. You have a white man, a priest naming this for them. And I mean, they don't always get to say it. You know, some people don't always name it for them. So they're going to react to it. And there's a certain environment in a preaching environment like that that is stirred up. There's an enthusiasm. And I think you're seeing all of that play out but certainly, there's real sentiment underneath that.
CUOMO: This is the reality. This isn't them being whipped into a frenzy by a charismatic speaker?
BECK: No. Let's not pretend that there is not a race issue still in America. There is. And black people know it and white people know it. I've been asking some black people, you know, around where I work, and I say do you think this is racism, reverse racism? They say, no, absolutely not. They don't think it's reverse racism. They think that real feelings are being demonstrated here. Are you can't take that away from them.
CUOMO: You get a different reaction from the whites in your congregation?
BECK: Yeah, whites are saying, is this what's going to happen if he's president? Are we going to be now turning the tide? Is this going to be reverse discrimination? So, people are a little bit afraid of it.
CUOMO: Now, looking at this politically, pragmatically, Juan, how do you think the Republicans use this? How good is this for them, in a manner of speaking.
WILLIAMS: Oh, you know, I mean, this is manna from heaven if you want to stick with the religious theme. Because what you've got is, it raises the risk factor around this young man who would be the first African-American president. It says, you know, he may be talking about change but what kind of change and do you really know him? And when you look back at his associations, it's with people like Reverend Wright and Father Pfleger. Yes, there's a history of bitter segregation in a city like Chicago but what are these ministers doing? They are stirring people up, appealing to their most base, racist sentiments. What you saw from Father Pfleger the other day looked to me like a minstrel show being put on for black people and I thought that he was mocking. He was bitter. This is not speaking to ideas of lifting people up or speaking to the Christ in us all, black and white and speaking to us as brothers. This is bringing us down to a low level and that's what Obama said in his remarks the other day, this doesn't speak to the kind of unifying theme that I want for my campaign, to quote him.
CUOMO: Well, I guess there are the two sides we're seeing. You're saying this doesn't speak to what the campaign is supposed to be speaking to but, Father, you say this is a reality. You bristle when you hear the word minstrel when attached to Pfleger.
BECK: Well, I agree the method was bad. He had a bad choice of words. I mean, he went way over the top, but I think you have to look at what is underneath it. Why do people respond to it? Why is he taking that approach? He's getting heard. He believes the message has to be heard. Now, he's using bad means to do it. But it's an important issue and I think what we have to pay attention to is the conversation that it needs to start. Obama began the conversation with that great speech on race that he gave. But it's not going to end there. That's not going to end the debate just because he gave a great speech. It has to continue.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.




















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Juan Williams...
June 2, 2008 - 15:06 ET by Prester John...may be shooting from left of center most of the time and he makes an occasional silly statement, but I am becoming more and more impressed by his ability to filter out the BS from what is really going on in the world of politics.
If he isn't careful he will be read out of the Dem Party and will have to become a Republican.
Cuomo is an Idiot!
June 2, 2008 - 15:22 ET by MeanderingCuomo doesn't know how to report ANYTHING without his bias. I didn't like him when he started on GMA a few years ago and I can't stand him now. Then again he fits in well with Diane Sawyer and Robin Roberts as they only report that which puts conservatives in a bad light and pushes their liberal agenda.
My wife likes Diane Sawyer
June 3, 2008 - 09:19 ET by sam.i.ambut I have to ridicule her when she watches GMA, just a little bit. . .
When you watch that show, I think you actually get more democrat. . .you know, dumber.
Just for fun, a few months back, I pulled a Karnac and told her almost verbatim what was going to be on the show. I said, first you'll get a story about the economy in the tank, next you'll get a story about high gas prices crippling everyone and more panic, then a story about how we've lost the Iraq war and the surge is failing.
I must say, if nothing else, the MSM is predictable.
tolerance
June 2, 2008 - 15:41 ET by soosanIt's too bad the media isn't as tolerant of those with conservative views as they seem to be of their leftist pals.
I agree, Juan W. has come a long way since leaving the anti conservative confines of NPR.
And last but not least - after services yesterday there were inevitable conversations about the Trinity Church - the best line I heard was the new name for Rev. Wright - he was referred to as Pastor Disaster.
Obama's preachers. Unity in bashing whites and the Clinton's.
June 2, 2008 - 16:19 ET by Gary HallObama's preachers. The only unity here is in how Wright and Pfleger engage in hate speech, and in bashing whites and the Clinton's.
Can't forget that the MSM kept Rev. Wright's condemnation of the Clinton record in the black community out of the news during this entire period of time.
Rev. Wright attacked the Clinton's - both of them - on the basis of how they have and how she will treat the black community as president. How in the world, this demonstration of the Reverend Wright's visceral hatred of the Clinton's, apparently because he considers them racists, has not been the most talked about clip in the midst of a race between Obama and Hillary Clinton, when the subject of race seems to come up almost every day. I just live for the day that that NBC reporter plays this clip for Bill Clinton and asks for his comment: Rev. Wright's hatred of Bill & Hillary.
Here's the transcript:
Rev. Wright: Hillary is married to Bill and Bill have been good to us? No, he ain't! Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky!
Congregation: (cheers)
Rev. Wright: He was riding dirty!
Sure livens up the discussion, does it not? Let the Democrats debate it. Did Clinton do the walk, or just the talk?
If people buy Obama's claims
June 2, 2008 - 16:21 ET by mattmIf people buy Obama's claims or the excuses of his media cheerleaders, then they are dumber than I thought.
Cuomo and the "priests"
June 2, 2008 - 20:21 ET by iveseenitallCuomo and Father Beck---both Catholics who never mention that Father Phleger was actually committing sins by giving that speech. Somehow I don't think Jesus would have said that a priest, or anyone else, should condemn an entire race, motivate others to hate, intentionally lie, slander an individual ,etc. These are all sins, yet they are defended by these two "liberals". Disgusting. The followers of Catholicism have been continually challenged recently. It shakes one's faith in any religion. Maybe Dante was right to put the hypocrites so far down in Hell.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal'
The locust army
June 2, 2008 - 18:38 ET by sentforth5I know I must come off as a bit of a weirdo sometimes, but in the second chapter of the great book of Joel God warns us of the locust army that He will send in the last generation. Yes, God himself sent them to weed out, if you will, the weaklings in Christianity because satan will be soon here DEFACTO claiming to be Christ Jesus to deceive those who are Biblically illiterate, and God needs WARRIORS to battle satan and his angels here on earth when Michael kicks him out of the Heavenly dimension.
The Locust army are religious-types with no facts behind what they say and teach. These men( Phlegm, Wright, Beck, Hagee and countless others) are a fine example of their arrival.
This should serve as a clarion call to all serious-minded Christians to save themselves from the various "churches" that eat up an hour of God's precious time once a week as some servant of satan waxes your ear with sweet words and gives you a pep talk WITHOUT teaching you anything about God and His perfect plan of salvation which is now unraveling before our very eyes.
Time to stay home on sunday and arm yourselves by studying a King James with a Strong's concordance.I suppose I stand a chance of being ridiculed, but I love all my fellow NBers very much and somebody has to speak up about this crap, and believe me when I tell you that these men are in no way men of God, and all they do is spew a bunch of crap. I mean, I'm just sayin' is all...
Sentforth5
June 2, 2008 - 19:28 ET by iveseenitallYou are right about one thing---they are not men of "God" at all.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
A BIG AMEN to
June 2, 2008 - 19:36 ET by bigtimerA BIG AMEN to that!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Its called "rationalization"
June 2, 2008 - 21:28 ET by wdhorningThey think they can rationalize away the harm, so voters will not be too concerned.
You know if McCain attended a church like this that said the same things from its pulpit, the liberal press who crucify McCain, but because Obama is "their man" they rationalize it away.
Let me say this, be careful, "you may get what you ask for" and "what goes around comes around." And since this concerns the church, the Bible says, "you reap what you sow." The liberal press is setting itself up for severe damage to itself, and worse yet, it may be damaging to us all if Obama becomes president.
If Obama were "a man" he would withdraw from the race for being the "fool" he has shown himself to be for running for president with an association with this church that, IMHO, is as bad, almost, as being associated with the KKK.
Just get used to this train of thought. . .
June 3, 2008 - 09:29 ET by sam.i.amAmerica is racist. Period.
The "sentiment is real", so it cannot be questioned. The words cannot be questioned. The tactics and delivery cannot be questioned. The speakers cannot be questioned.
Isn't this racist sentiment, to hate whitey and hate America? Oh hell NO! This is REAL.
Let me channel my inner Jesse -- You betta Rememba in Novemba.
Racist..........
June 3, 2008 - 13:33 ET by DanoThis political garbage this season is going to create a lot of new racist ideas on both sides...........God is watching !