Norah O'Donnell's Faulty Memory: Falsely Asserts Michelle Obama 'Never' Said She Wasn't Proud of U.S.
According to MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell, Michelle Obama "never said that she had not been proud of her country." The cable host on Friday spun for the First Lady while reporting on a speech Sarah Palin gave in California.
In fact, on February 18, 2008, Mrs. Obama addressed a crowd in Wisconsin and announced, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change." [See video. MP3 audio here.]
On Thursday, Palin wondered, "You know, when I hear people say or had said during the campaign, that they had never been proud of America until, until that time, I think haven't they met anybody in uniform yet?" This prompted O'Donnell, during a supposedly straight news report, to chide, "Of course, Mrs. Obama never said that. She never said that she had not been proud of her country."
Now, perhaps O'Donnell was trying to argue grammatical semantics over the words "really" or "adult lifetime." But, clearly, Obama was saying that she hadn't previously been proud of America.
Of course, Norah O'Donnell is the same person who berated then-17-year old Jackie Seal for her support of Palin.
A transcript of the October 15 segment, which aired at 12:53pm EDT, follows:
NORAH O'DONNELL: Sarah Palin is throwing out punches ahead of the midterm elections. During a speech to the Conservative Liberty and Freedom Foundation in San Jose last night, the former Alaskan governor took a shot at some comments made by First Lady Michelle Obama.
SARAH PALIN: You know, when I hear people say or had said during the campaign, that they had never been proud of America until, until that time, I think haven't they met anybody in uniform yet?
NORAH O'DONNELL: Of course, Mrs. Obama never said that. She never said that she had not been proud of her country. But anyway, the vast majority of Palin's 40 minute ,speech was a critique of President Obama's policies and also some jokes about her daughter's appearance on Dancing With the Stars.
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MessDNC - "LEAN FORWARD....
Submitted by bigdaddy on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 5:52pm.
....PULL HEAD OUT"
Or a better slogan:
MSNBC - "History Rewritten While You Wait"
I do hope Norah had her asbestos britches on today because she had a "Pants Afire" moment.
Norah, you stupid scrunt. Are
Submitted by Van Halen on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:00pm.
Norah, you stupid scrunt. Are you trying to beat that idiot Contessa Brewer to the bottom for stupid on-air statements?
She said something like this earlier
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:01pm.
On Morning Joe, ALL of LEFTIST panel were mocking Palin for this and that really pretty former Obama communications director Anita Dunn said it was dumb for anyone to dare say anything bad about Meeeechelle.
The left is still making excuses for this statement and explaining what she meant.
Sorry, any rational person SHOULD BE ANGRY about what she said and PALIN IS RIGHT.
Palin has someone in the military and Meeeechelle and her like HATE the military.
There is a distinct difference between a "faulty
Submitted by virginia republican on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:01pm.
memory" and a flat out lie. O'Donnell is guilty of the latter. She just thinks we're too dumb to know the truth.
Stupidity Rules at
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:01pm.
Stupidity Rules at MSNBC.
Anyone have this idiots email address? Lets all email Norah O'Dumbell links to Michelle Obama's comments.
Maybe the should replace her
Submitted by Thoreau on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:03pm.
Maybe they should replace her with Rick Sanchez and just start blurting out BS randomly.
Laura Ingraham called it "PC run amuck"
Submitted by Texndoc on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 6:55pm.
It's similar to being OUTRAGED that someone would say after muslims attacked us on 9/11 that muslims attacked us on 9/11. HOW DARE YOU!!!! So Michelle said she had never been proud of her country before Barack. How DARE YOU say Michelle said she had never been proud of her country before Barack!
A new word: Whore
Submitted by ThisnThat on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 7:03pm.
I finally get to use a new phrase that the California NOW has said is ok to use against women:
O'Donnell is a whore. MSNBC executives pimp her out to lustful leftists that eat up the lies like they were the truth. She has sold out any integrity she might have once had for a job with an organization that has no values whatsoever.
___________
Make sure no one tells obama what comes after "trillion"
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Okay, I'm bracing myself...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 7:52pm.
but that was a pathetically cheap shot by Palin. Not only did she misquote and mischaracterize Michele Obama's words--while recruiting the military reference to protect her smear--but she also failed to mention the clarifying remarks which the then future first lady provided shortly thereafter.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:17pm.
Had you said "a cheap shot" reference Palins comment, I would have chalked it up to a liberal complaining.
However, by going with "a pathetically cheap shot", you reinforce my notion that liberals are indeed desperate because they now understand what the phrase circling the drain actually means when used in conjunction with Obama, his administration, ObamaCare, Cap and Tax, and all the other BS associated with the Messiah and his Hopey-Changey-Poopy-Crappy Garbazzh.
MD
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:26pm.
Give us all a big break. "Shortly thereafter" was damage control... No, not a "in the full context of what she said" moment....but rather a "shortly thereafter" "explanation" of what she "really meant".
Please. It gets tired.
She said what she said. It was a direct, clear and justified shot by Palin, and not cheap, and that qualifier before cheap is just your usual feigned lib outrage.
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Tired Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:29pm.
You honestly believe she had never felt even a sliver of pride in being an American prior to that time?. Yeah, you probably do.
Get some rest. You deserve it.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:34pm.
Believe? What you or I believe/think/feel/theorize what she might or might not have felt? Man, you're a liberal.
The topic is... what. she. said.
"For the first time, I'm...." etc., so forth.
It was what it was. Stop spinning, Jer. It's annoying.
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Shy...If it is...what. she. said.
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:38pm.
Then, at the very least, Palin should have accurately quoted her--instead of spinning it. Glad you agree.
Jer
Jer & Norah
Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 8:55pm.
Two shills for Michelle...
You should know, her FIRST exact statement did not have "really" in it:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331428,00.html
Not like it matters, but that's even worse than her follow-up version with "really", which is still the opposite of "not really proud..."
So, Norah misquotes Michelle's original quote in her truly "pathetic" impersonation of a journalist... lying to her audience. How nice.
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Really? Well, I was just
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:43pm.
Really? Well, I was just going by Mr. Whitlock's quote in his blog:
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change." [See video. MP3 audio here.]
(My emphasis)Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2010/10/15/norah-odonnells-faulty-memory-falsely-asserts-michelle-obama-never-s#comment-1359656#ixzz12UesAknv Jer
Dude. She said it twice. 2 different times. 2 different quotes.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:05am.
MICHELLE OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA'S WIFE: Let me tell you something. For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.
For the first time in my Adult life, I wore diapers. What do you get from that. I have never worn diapers since the day I turned 18 until right now.
She was not proud of her country until making that statement.
And she is still talking about transforming America, she was at it in the polling place in Chicago on Tuesday.
What is she and her husband talking about when they say TRANSFORM this country?
Lord knows, I'm not disputing the Vet.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:12am.
Lord knows, I'm not disputing the Vet. But there is apparently no video of the alleged first statement in Milwaukee, and the White House insists there was only the one instance--in Madison, of which there is a video record.
Jer
Which quote does the White House own up to?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:46am.
I have seen the video of the quote I posted. I remember her emphasing that hope word and closing her eyes as she said it.
Does this work?
Here’s a link to a clip comparing the two.
Vet...It works for me.
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:37am.
It works for me. That's convincing evidence she said it twice. I believe Scot's link was to Jake Tapper's site which had the note about there being only one such quote, but I'll recheck it.
Jer
Dude! I remember 2 quotes.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:50am.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/165137/really/byron-york
So does he.
How about this one?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:05am.
Does this work?
http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/2/20/michelle-obama-this-is-the-first-time-in-my-adult-life-im-re.html
FN pathetic
Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:05pm.
The only two words I can use to describe you here Jer, she said it and MEANT IT.
She thought it was so "pissa" to say it, she said it more than once.
I'll say it again, you can have an america hating "progressive" speak their mind ON TAPE, FULL QUOTE and the left will have an explanation for what they "meant".
Sorry Jer, she said it more than once in CONTEXT, so she doesn'ty get a third chance to save face.
And "that" face can't be saved.
Palin is spot on and O'Donnell is a nothing "jowhorenalist".
So pathetic Jer
Submitted by sam12663 on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 11:31pm.
Are we supposed to believe that this Ivy League educated woman didn't really know what she was saying? I guess you also expect us to believe she didn't know the law about campaigning inside polling places as well?
The liberal tends to not let facts get in the way whenever it is convenient to their cause
Look, I don't know what was
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:43am.
Look, I don't know what was in her heart and you don't either. But I do know that it is highly improbable that a woman on the campaign trail on behalf of her husband who is running for President of the United States would deliberately imply that she has never been proud to be an American.
I will admit her words were clumsy. They begged for clarification which she provided a couple of days later--in which she clearly expressed her continuing pride in this country.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:55am.
Piffle.
On the campaign trail, she said "for the first time I am proud of my country."
That country is America, therefore she was an American saying she had never before been proud of America.
Highly improbable that she would deliberately imply she has never been proud to be an American?
You are correct.
She did not imply it, she stated it.
Musta bin taken outta context, huh?
You gwine ta spin yuseff tru da flo', boy.
MD
Nonsense. You don't know
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:51am.
Nonsense. You don't know that at all, toney.
By your logic, after Rush Limbaugh guffawed at a caller's mention of Obama looking like Curious George, his subsequent explanation and clarification should have been disregarded.
I'm really surprised at the position you're taking. Palin had an obligation to disclose Michele Obama's subsequent explanation whether she believed in its sincerity or not. If she didn't believe it, she could have discredited it in the same manner and for the same reasons you and others are doing so now.
FN pathetic is right.
Jer
Dude. She kinda did mean it.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:57am.
In Chicago, on Tuesday, at the polling place, where she voted, she is still talking up about how there is so much more left to do to CHANGE this country. Coupled with her and her husbands statements about FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING this country, it can only be understood that she was/is not proud of this country UNTIL IT CAN BE TRANSFORMED to whatever it is they are desiring.
Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:35am.
Sorry, Vet, I just don't agree with your interpretation.
I'll grant that the Milwaukee and Madison comment was very poorly stated and is fair evidence in supporting your argument. But I'm not buying this one.
Still devoted but concerned Uncle...
Jer
Only because you will not, can not, or do not know...
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:40am.
...what they mean by FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM this country.
So this revolution thing, and
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:54am.
So this revolution thing, and taking our country back, and dismantling the socialist welfare state...none of that would involve or require a fundamental transformation of the country?
Sounds to me like there would be a whole bunch of transforming taking place. Does it mean those particular [conservative] transformers hate America?
Jer
Transform?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:11am.
Or reform.
There is a difference you know.
Obama wants to change the fundamentals. Conservatives want to go back to the original fundamentals.
The bridge is getting wobbly because it's top heavy. Conservatives want to lower the weight being added to it. Obama wants to add more weight and change out the supports all at the same time. What do you think will happen?
We Are The 53%
Frankly, toney, if we don't
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:16am.
Frankly, toney, if we don't devote a lot of resources to rebuilding our nation's infrastructure, the bridge is going to collapse under its own weight.
Jer
So, conservatives have an obligation---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:01am.
to disclose, eh?
They will, as soon as libs start doing the same.
Howzat?
MD
Admit it Jer. You think Michelle is hot!
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:06am.
toneyuki is gonna go nuts trying to figure out why you jumped on him instead of Tomorama.
MD
Whoops...how about the
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:14am.
Whoops...how about the microscopic NB text for an excuse?
Plus, I said I was surprised at the position toney was taking. Tomorama...not so much. ;-)
My apologies to both toney and Tomorama.
And thanks for the heads up, Matthew.
Jer
''Whoops...''
Submitted by DoktorFranken on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:39am.
"Whoops...how about the microscopic NB text for an excuse?"This is the only thing you've written in this thread to this point that I can remotely, and for the first time, agree with.
I do not like this ''new look'' at all. Nor the way the Comment box works. Nor how the Comments are split to another page.
Dok Franken...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:21am.
Not even my Comment #20 in which I agreed with JWF? The Vet will be disappointed.
On a more serious note, do you not think Palin had an obligation to at least mention Michele's explanation--even if she disagreed with it?
Jer
There's a hell of a lot of tweaking that needs to be done. Even seemingly trivial things which I noticed earlier such as the fact that the "Preview" box is on the right on the comment threads, but is on the left at the PM page. Consequently, when I wanted to preview a PM earlier, I reflexively clicked the box on the right which sent the message before it was ready.
Ya JER
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:48am.
Why ya pickin on me huh?
Huh? HUH????
;-)
We Are The 53%
Denny---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:07am.
Maybe I better tell Jer about your samurai sword.
MD
MD
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:22am.
Shhhhhhhhhh!
(It's a super secret ninja troll filleting sword)
We Are The 53%
I called you FN pathetic and
Submitted by Tomorama on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 11:34am.
I called you FN pathetic and I meant it.
Unlike your hero here, I say what I mean and I don't need a few days to come up with a "response" to what say.
We usually find some common ground Jer, here you could not be any more pathetic in your defending this anti-american bitch who I rightfullt detest.
How'd she like that cheesburger and large fries the other day, nothing but a fraud and a charlatan is she.
I would love to see all her school thesis and papers where she did nothing but bash whitey capitalism and America while living off the very symbols she detests.
Then why did she say it? The
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:00am.
Then why did she say it? The remarks and speech were prepared before hand. The Obama's are horrible extemporanous speakers. Besides the background she has just made sure the chickens came home to roost ... on her head.
I don't know. But here is
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:29am.
I don't know. But here is her elaboration on the topic a couple of days later.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:36am.
I might believe that she has been proud of the U.S. all her life, except she sat in a church where the pastor has preached against the U.S. for 20 years. Is her pastor proud of the U.S.?
This was just a speech to bandaid the gaffe she made. Unfortunately the gaffe was brutally truthful.
We Are The 53%
toney...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:00am.
Based on the snippets of Reverend Wright's sermons which I have heard, I, don't think he finds a whole lot to be proud about with respect to this country--and, if so, that's very unfortunate.
Based on the many statements by the Obamas which I have heard or read, I believe they have indeed been proud of this country for many reasons for many years.
Based on the general sentiment toward the Obamas displayed at the website, I don't expect you or anyone else to give either of them the benefit of the doubt.
In any event, here are additional comments from Michele on the subject.
Jer
How about a few choice quotes?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:16am.
Uncle Jer: many statements by the Obamas ...have indeed been proud...
Few quotes pliz.
I've already posted a video
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:28am.
I've already posted a video plus additional quotes by Michele. [By the way, she says she received a letter of support from Laura Bush regarding the controversy.] It's your turn to post another quote where either one of them says "I've never been proud of my country" or "I've never been proud to be an American."
Jer
Did you and that banned dude have lunch?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:48am.
What is it with the rash of videos supporting people's statements? How will be ever be able to discuss the history of mankind prior to the invention of the moving picture camera?
I can read a quote in 3.4 seconds flat. Faster if it is a short sentence. I have to WAAAAAIIIIIITTTTT for a video to load and then FISH out your quote from your video.
Look, I never took a class on sourcing, but unless the topic is a VIDEO itself, VIDEOS SUCK for sourcing. 'K?
And. And. And. And. Peoples work filters don't allow video. OK banned dude?
Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:03am.
Have you informed the multitude of NB contributors, all of whom use video sourcing routinely, of your concerns?
I had to install the Adobe Flash Player earlier. If you can access the video but don't want to watch all of it, the relevant portion starts around the 55 second mark.
If you can't access the video, I can quote her statement for you. It was fairly brief.
Jer
You might.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:14am.
On the other hand, this is the first time in the 3.5 years I have been here that I have been utterly unable to know what the banned user/Uncle Jer is talking about because they point to a video I cannot see and say - there, see, there is what I am talking about. What? The video. Huh? The video, that is my evidence. But I.. Watch it! Quote pliz. No. Watch my video, the entire 45 minutes of it. Then we will talk.
3.5 years. Suddenly I have a wall.
First, please stop referring
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:25am.
First, please stop referring to me as the banned user or in conjunction with the banned user or in any manner associated with the banned user.
Second, I wasn't quite sure if it was a case of your not being able to see the video or that you simply didn't wish to watch all of it. It's less than two minutes in length. But I told you at what time mark her clarification started, or if you couldn't access it, I would quote the relevant language.
So hang on, and I'll transcribe her exact words in a few minutes.
Jer
No. I understand now.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:12am.
Sorry about the banned user cracks. It is just that you and he agreed on sumthin' and then he was gone.
No. Don't transcribe. I am saying I don't need the walky backy talk from M.O.
I need a quote from outside the milwakee/madison no proud incidents and it's clarifications.
Oh and no linky to entire articles either.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:56am.
In any event, here are additional comments from Michele on the subject.
As I tell trolls, not saying Uncler Jer is a troll, as I tell trolls, don't link to a 400 page article and expect me to read it and pick out the 2 sentences that support your argument.
no linky to articles. linky to articles only as a source of where your quotes came from.
C'mon Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:08am.
It was a short one-page article. I NEVER intentionally link voluminous articles/treatises/studies etc. for someone to hunt through to find a couple of sentences buried deep inside.
Please don't hang that on me.
Jer
Oh all right. It was still too long.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:17am.
And I did post about half of an article from Krauthammer. Your article sucks. It is only Mrs. Obama walking back her proud of America remarks.
How about something they are saying OUTSIDE of the backlash from her nonproudness remarks?
Your Krauthammer article is
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:28am.
Your Krauthammer article is partisan garbage and is utterly worthless as an objective source.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:43am.
That's not nice. I didn't think the article was "garbage".
Has Obama not bowed to foreigners more than once?
Still trying to figure this one out.
CK gave his opinion and gave specific reasons for it. I f you want to quote a lib talking head to rebutt it, go ahead, Vet is just asking that they have specifics to back up their opinions.
We Are The 53%
toney...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:07am.
I'm a lot "nicer" to Charles Krauthammer and have expressed more admiration for him than has been reciprocated by NBers for any liberal pundits that I can think of offhand.
However, I should have made it more clear that I considered it 'garbage' as an objective source. How about if I posted that sickenly sycophantic Rolling Stone article in support of an argument on behalf of Obama? What adjectives would you use to describe its "neutrality", toney?
Jer
Dude.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:30am.
a. if it has quotes from PBO showing his hearty gushy patriotism on display - GO FOR IT.
b. I only posted C.K because I got tired of waiting for you to come up with one PBO/MO quote outside of the backwalking/backside covering from the no proudies milwaukee/madison BROUHAHA.
c. still waiting. Please post as a separate post under the article. Can't read this.
You are too thin skinned.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:47am.
I mean your article sucks in relation to the requested quote for the love the Obama's feel for the country that gave them the Presidency. It sucks in that it was an example of Michelle Obama being force to walk back her comments.
As a stand alone article not in relation to the discussion, no, the article is fine.
Sheesh.
Now can we please get an example of the Obama's feeling hearty to the oo es ay that is not related to her walking back negative comments from the previous day.
Jeez, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:22am.
You are blind, dumb, and deaf when it comes to the liberal Obamas, despite your protestations otherwise.
"Based on the many statements by the Obamas I have heard or read, I believe they have indeed been proud of this country for many reasons for many years."
That must have been during the years prior to his slide into the Oval Office, where he subsequently talked America down in front of foreign crowds and dignitaries.
Probably before his twenty years listening to Jeremiah Mad Dog Wright.
You sound like you are angling for a spot in ol' purple-lips administration.
I can see it now:
A twofer for Obammie.
He sez, "I present to you now my new Czar for both the Avuncular AND the Manure sections, Uncle Jer, the Bullsh*t expert and go-getter from Georgia."
MD
Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 3:46am.
No, I criticize for policy [and political] reasons. That was the basis of my criticism of Bush, and the basis of my criticism, albeit to a lesser degree, of Obama.
Your unrelenting hatred of Obama is not just ideologically based, but is also personal, irrational and pathological.
Jer
Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 8:29pm.
And your continuing slobbering apologizing take on all things Barack/Michelle/Democratic/ and liberal ain't ideological, huh?
Ain't personal, huh?
Ain't irrational, huh?
Ain't pathological, huh?
Take a poll of NewsBusters regulars, there, liberal talking point Obama lover, Democratic excuse-maker-in-chief for the lying pos camped out in the Oval Office, and get back to me on whether or not anyone here buys that particular claptrap reference your professed lack of PIP involvement.
(Personal-Irrational-Pathological)
In your case, a degree with the letters LLD must stand for Loony Liberal Democrat.
I, Jer, lately a litigator for all things litigious (thumping on chest like Tarzan of the Anthropoid Ancestors of All Things Attorney-like) do hereby swear and take this oath, before all NewsBuster contributors, posters, perusers, conservative patriots and liberal pinheads, that I, Jer, rise above the lowly infighting indicative of being personally involved in puerile political leanings and being an irrational ideologue, and, forsooth, deal ONLY with the pristine purview of lofty liberal linkages, and do NOT in any way, manner, shape, form, or verbiage, engage in any pattern of patter that could possibly be pointed out as being purposely pathologic towards Republicans.
Why, I praise Republicans.
Dontcha know?
If not, read back over my many love offerings to same here on NB threads.
You funny guy, Jer.
MD
Krauthammer disagrees with Uncler Jer.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:06am.
There was no finer expression of belief in American exceptionalism than Kennedy's. Obama has a different take. As he said last year in Strasbourg, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." Which of course means: If we're all exceptional, no one is.
Take human rights. After Obama's meeting with the president of Kazakhstan, Mike McFaul of the National Security Council reported that Obama actually explained to the leader of that thuggish kleptocracy that we, too, are working to perfect our own democracy.
Nor is this the only example of an implied moral equivalence that diminishes and devalues America. Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner reported that in discussions with China about human rights, the U.S. side brought up Arizona's immigration law - "early and often." As if there is the remotest connection between that and the persecution of dissidents, jailing of opponents, and suppression of religion routinely practiced by the Chinese dictatorship.
Nothing new here. In his major addresses, Obama's modesty about his own country has been repeatedly on display as, in one venue after another, he has gratuitously confessed America's alleged failings - from disrespecting foreigners to having lost its way morally after 9/11.
It's fine to recognize the achievements of others and be nonchauvinistic about one's country. But Obama's modesty is curiously selective. When it comes to himself, modesty is in short supply.
It began with the almost comical self-inflation of his presidential campaign, from the still-inexplicable mass rally in Berlin, in front of a Prussian victory column, to the Greek columns framing him at the Democratic convention. And it carried into his presidency, from his posture of philosopher-king adjudicating between America's sins and the world's to his speeches marked by a spectacularly promiscuous use of the first-person pronoun.
Notice, too, how Obama habitually refers to cabinet members and other high government officials as "my" - "my secretary of homeland security," "my national security team," "my ambassador." The more normal - and respectful - usage is to say "the," as in "the secretary of state." These are, after all, public officials sworn to serve the nation and the Constitution - not just the man who appointed them.
It's a stylistic detail, but quite revealing of Obama's exalted view of himself. Not surprising, perhaps, in a man whose major achievement before acceding to the presidency was writing two autobiographies.
Obama is not the first president with a large streak of narcissism. But the others had equally expansive feelings about their country. Obama's modesty about America would be more understandable if he treated himself with the same reserve. What is odd is to have a president so convinced of his own magnificence - yet not his country's.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20100712_Charles_Krauthammer__Obama_s_selective_modesty.html#ixzz12VUa7CQa
I respect Dr. Krauthammer's
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:12am.
I respect Dr. Krauthammer's intellect, but he is a fierce and relentless critic of Obama.
Which Obamaphile would you like for me to link for a rebuttal?
Jer
Donk. Huh?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:22am.
critic. yes. fierce and relentless? no. He talked admiringly of him at times during the campaign. And he speaks up when President Obama does things right on the rare occasions he does things right.
I posted it because C.K had examples. Sure, if you can find something that has several concrete examples/quotes, fine.
Examples with his anti-Obama
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:31am.
Examples with his anti-Obama spin. What next Hannity, Limbaugh and Coulter?
Jer
Dude? Must I?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:42am.
While we are waiting for you to find something where the Obama's prove they love this country....
C.K quoted PBO in Strausberg. Reported guy from NSC. Reported Ass. Sec State. wih quote. Reported confessions from speeches. Then went on to talk about his narcissism.
Why are you making this about C.K. ? We are waiting for the love of the Obama's from the country they were rasied in.
Do you want me to post
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:56am.
Do you want me to post a transcription of Michele Obama's explanation, or will you simply dismiss it as self-serving and after-the-fact damage control?
There are more than a few here who simply refuse to accept any evidence which is favorable toward the Obamas. It's like the Christian/Muslim "controversy". Any statement or action which supports his being Christian is laughed off as a lie or insincere posturing.
Jer
Big guy.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:01am.
I am asking for one quote OUTSIDE of the backside covering of the not proud remarks. Pointing out her love for the country was EXPECTED when walking back her not proud statements. It was obligatory. Just like if Uncle Jer got caught stealing candy from a baby. In his press conference, he would let the world know how much he loves babies. We get it.
One quote, outside.
If you don't wanna do it, just say so.
Point of order, Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:46am.
Is any statement that she made after Feb. 2008 subject to being rejected on the grounds that it is contrived and insincere?
There is not a huge amount of pre-2008 material. She loves reruns of the Dick Van Dyke Show and she has committed every episode of The Brady Bunch to memory.
How much more thoroughly American can one be?
Oh, fwiw...she's smart as a whip. Outstanding academic career.
Jer
I already conceded.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 6:14am.
I don't care about her academic career. Kindly do not point out someone's academic career as an example of IQ.
Smart people do not grab microphones and procliam for all the world to hear - I was not proud of my country until just now this very minute here on stage while I look you in the eyes.
I am smart as a whip. Never managed to utter it, microphone or not.
Oh and smarty as a whip people don't have to clarify their statements 2 days later.
When I say I was not proud, I meant in the sense of proud of accomplishments that I had not participaed in, of course I love my country, (pat pat pat) I only feed it the dog chow with the highest caliber ingredients, ALPO, (smile) (hold up can) (no, not the dog, the can dummy)
I didn't think you would
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 6:22am.
I didn't think you would attach much importance to it. That's why I inserted "fwiw". But, fwiw, she was reading by age 4, enrolled in gifted courses, and was the salutatorian of her senior class. I would suggest that does reflect somewhat on IQ.
And it certainly tends to debunk a lot of the "dumb as a post" drivel that floats around here.
Jer
Anyhoo, gotta run. We can carry on later. Always enjoy you, Vet.
no, not the dog, the can dummy
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 9:28am.
Oh thank goodness, I was worried there for a moment
Dude.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:06am.
There are more than a few here...
Fallacious argument - We are not talking about others here. It is you, I and a few other nigh owls.
Vet...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 5:57am.
In Michele's address at the Democratic Convention in the summer of 2008, she made many positive statements about America. I can get those for you, but if they are unacceptable because they were made after the controversial comment, then I won't waste my time or yours.
Jer
Conceded. She loves her country.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 6:02am.
Then her statements about not being proud are weird and out of place. Why would someone say those things knowing a microphone is nearby.
Please take that as rhetorical and don't answer.
Misleading at least
Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 10:10am.
Notice, too, how Obama habitually refers to cabinet members and other high government officials as "my" - "my secretary of homeland security," "my national security team," "my ambassador." The more normal - and respectful - usage is to say "the," as in "the secretary of state." These are, after all, public officials sworn to serve the nation and the Constitution - not just the man who appointed them.
I think Krauthammers dislike of Obama tends to make him look foolish on that particular detail. If one makes a quick a google search one will find plenty of presidential quotes throughout the history of the US involving the possessive pronoun in connection with a Secretary of the US government.
The really interesting question (at least for me) is: On what tradition is this habit based on?
Bug!
Submitted by troglodyt on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 10:17am.
That is a strange bug. I replied to JWFs post containing Krauthammers article and my post ends up here.
Bug for sure
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 12:32pm.
Look at my reply to the Vet, then his next post written 4 hr earlier looks to reply mine?
I always thought that times
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 2:50am.
I always thought that times like those where the true character of a person comes out. When a person speaks what is in their hearts. You do know and you knowin your gut but you wont be honest about it. A true liar even lies to himself.
Still pathetically cheap shot?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:55am.
We have learned now that the quote from the First lady was -
a. accurate.
b. not mischaracterized as we have yet to see a quote where Mrs. Obama praises this country.
c. the military reference was more than likely true.
Does anyone at this time want to provide an example of the Obama's getting their gushy patriotism on and please, no pictures of then Senator Obama covering/protecting his privates when the national anthem was played.
And yes we know he did not want to wear a flag pin because there are better ways to show your patriotism than honoring the flag. And yes we know the flag code actually mentions A FLAG PIN.
And we have seen this picture too.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 4:57am.
Not exactly getting the gushy patriotism on here either.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/306900.php
I hope this thread is about over---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 8:43pm.
as watching Jer climb ever higher up Michelle Obamas lower digestive tract as though he wants to kiss her tonsils from the inside, is rapidly reaching beyond the pale heights, even for an Obama lover.
MD
Dont worry Matt
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 10:02pm.
I think Jer packs a ladder?
Hmmm...nowhere in Palin's
Submitted by fitzfong on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 9:35pm.
Hmmm...nowhere in Palin's quote does she say "Michelle Obama" (she referred to "people"), yet you and Norah O'Donnell both assume that Palin's comment was directed at Michelle Obama. Why? A little defensive, wouldn't you say? Michelle Obama said what she said about this country. It was disgraceful, if totally unsurprising and worthy of someone of her ilk. No amount of spin, revisionist history or special polish will clean that turd.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
I think we should pray for Norah O'Donnell
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/15/2010 - 7:52pm.
I mean, early-onset Alzheimer's is nothing to sneeze at. -DaveVote for the American in November
Not to mention....
Submitted by samhermanmd on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 9:01pm.
...early onset Alzheimer's is the most malignant form and damn tough to treat.
Just my two cents.
How ironic
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 1:07am.
"Of course, Mrs. Obama never said that. She never said that she had not been proud of her country."And Palin never said she could see Russia from her home, but thats not important is it Nora?