ABC Bashes U.S. Maternity Leave Policies: Again Links Them to Swaziland, Liberia

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On Tuesday's Good Morning America, Diane Sawyer complained about America's maternity leave policies for women, and for the fourth time in slightly more than two years, the show connected them to such struggling countries as Swaziland and Papua New Guinea. The host solemnly observed that only three countries "have policies equal to the United States. Swaziland, Liberia and Papua New Guinea."

Sawyer, who was introducing a segment on how women are afraid to take much maternity leave during the recession, derided, "Even in Iraq, women get one year of leave, six months at full pay, and six months of half pay." Linking the U.S. to such poor countries was, perhaps, intended to horrify viewers. However, the ABC anchor left out some key stats, such as the fact that nations mandating paid maternity leave, such as Germany, often also have high unemployment rates.

As for the countries Sawyer mentioned, Swaziland also has an unemployment rate of 40 percent, an infant mortality rate of 70 percent and a life expectancy of 32. Papua New Guinea's unemployment rate is up to 80 percent in some urban areas. So, there seems to be some differences between America and these countries.

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As noted earlier, this is the fourth time in two years that the ABC morning show has connected America to Swaziland, among others. On September 28, 2007, co-host Robin Roberts fretted, "Did you know that among 173 countries surveyed, there are only five countries without a national maternity leave? Lesotho, Swaziland, New Guinea, Liberia and the U.S."

On June 21, 2007, reporter David Wright sounded a similar theme:

DAVID WRIGHT: A recent Harvard-McGill study of more than 170 countries found that only four of them do not require paid leave for new mothers: Liberia, Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, and the U.S.

On February 2, 2007, correspondent Elizabeth Vargas chided:

ELIZABETH VARGAS: In fact, a study out this week from Harvard and McGill University, shows that of 173 countries surveyed, only five provide no form of paid maternity leave: Papua New Guinea, Lesotho, Swaziland, Liberia, and the United States.

During the June 16 segment, reporter Kate Snow offered no dissenting voice what the cost of companies providing more paid leave might be. Instead, she featured only clips from Ellen Galinsky, the co-founder of the Families and Work Institute and Carol Evans, the founder of Working Mother Media.

See the April 20, 2001 CyberAlert for more examples of ABC's promotion of paid leave.

A transcript of the June 16 segment, which aired at 7:40am, follows:

DIANE SAWYER: Our new series, "the new normal" explores how we live in the wake of the recession. And today, we're going to look at maternity leave. There are only three countries in the world, according to many study groups, that have policies equal to the United States. Swaziland, Liberia and Papua New Guinea. Even in Iraq, women get one year of leave, six months at full pay, and six months of half pay. And so many other countries, particularly industrialized nations, offer similarly generous benefits for women who are taking maternity leave. But "the new normal" in America finds some American women afraid of taking any leave at all. Wondering if their jobs will be there when they're ready to come back. And here is Kate Snow.

KATE SNOW: In California, Kristen Carter is preparing the nursery. In New York, Michelle Papachristou is home with eight-week-old Nina. Two women who have never met, with strikingly similar stories. Michelle had planned on taking nine months from her job as a flight attendant, most of it unpaid, the same way she did with her first born. After trying to get pregnant for a year, Kristen was hoping it would be six months before she would need to return full time to her college teaching position.

KRISTEN CARTER: I get pregnant and then it was almost immediately that they, like, started slowing things down at my husband's job. And then, they started having less course offerings at the college I teach at. And then it just all sort of all fell apart.

MICHELLE PAPACHRISTOU: And then in January, my husband's company announced that everyone was getting a 10 percent pay cut, across the board, permanent. So, we really had to rethink how long I can stay out of work.

SNOW: Instead of nine months, Michelle will stay home about four. Instead of six months, Kristen will take six weeks.

CARTER: The longer that I'm away from work, the more I'm worried that they're going to discover that, hey, maybe we don't really need her. Maybe we've have got other people that could teach those classes. They're not trying to squeeze me out or anything like that. This is not a reflection on them. It's just the economy and the way of the world.

SNOW: In an informal online questionnaire by Working Mother magazine, about one-third of respondents said the recession was impacting their decision in taking maternity leave.

ELLEN GALINSKY (Pres, co-founder, Families and Work Institute): The issue for women these days is they are increasingly important financial supporters of their family.

SNOW: Maternity policies vary by employer. But by law, any company with more than 50 workers is supposed to offer 12 weeks of unpaid leave.

CAROL EVANS (Founder/CEO, Working Mother Media): Women are starting to be afraid to take their maternity leave. They're afraid of not being in the office, immediately after having a child, it seems. Women should be fighting. They should be doing the opposite of feeling afraid. They should be fighting this fear.

SNOW: And it's not just fear. Both Kristen and Michelle say they feel guilty about taking less time.

PAPACHRISTOU: I just feel like I'm cheating her a little bit, out of time that I thought I was going to have to spend with her.

CARTER: I'm really afraid that I'm going to miss out on the milestones. The little things. Like the first smile, and the first step, and the first word. You know, I'm just going to cry if someone else is there for that and I'm not.

SNOW: The worries are right there under the surface. But Kristen is trying to keep things in perspective.

CARTER: I'm really optimistic about our future as a family. And money can be sorted out. If we have a healthy baby, I'm happy.

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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Get with the program!  If

Get with the program!  If we've learned anything from That One, his Administration and the Democrat-dominated Congress, it is that businesses aren't in business to provide goods and services at competitive prices to meet consumer demand.  Businesses are in business to subsidize the personal life choices of their employees and to pay them for not working.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Congratulations for tying

Congratulations for tying the president into an article that has absolutely NOTHING to do with him.

It has to do with pushing

It has to do with pushing his radical left wing agenda, which has EVERYTHING to do with him.  Now, care to discuss the merits of my argument, or are you just content to whine about my correctly tying him to the issue? 

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

That is 100% bulls**t.

That is 100% bulls**t.  Obama did not put the policies in place for the last 100 years.  Please tell everyone here exactly what Obama did to change maternity leave policy from the last administration.  

Also nice to revise your

Also nice to revise your post before I could reply to it.  Use an "edit" post next time.

I don't take etiquette

I don't take etiquette lessons from someone who's as undeserving of my respect as you are.  Piss off.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Enough of your lib trash...

 Kennedy,

You constantly come here an post your uninformed dribble. You spout your liberal rhetoric and think it is the word of the land. You never offer a good arguement but rather you poke at other peoples posts. Granted...I come here and make sarcastic remarks but when confronted I provide facts (like the Willow photo in the other thread, which you dismissed and said not that proof the other proof).

Explain to me what the last 100 years of policy have to do with anything? For the most part of that 100 years women did not work. When they burned their bras in the sixties they "broke free" from the oppressive so called family system that was holding them back. Now over forty years later, the same liberal line is bitching about not getting enough time off of work to have a family. Which do you want libs? Both pieces of the pie obviously.

Business owners should decide these things not government. They own the business and if they say you only have two weeks of leave after having a baby so be it. If  you don't like it find another job. They should also be free to hire who the heck ever they want.

 Kennedy explain to my why we can have black colleges and they don't have to have white professors but if a traditional college doesn't have a black professor they are breaking the law. Why can a black owned business have all black employees with no repercussion but a business owned by a white man with no minority employees will be in trouble. Why the double standard Death?

And yes all of this does tie together. If you can't see that go back to school.

 

 

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

Typical conservative

Typical conservative response - 

You're a liberal, you know nothing...

You're a liberal, you're uninformed...

You're a liberal, spouting liberal rhetoric...

Then you go on to characterize the liberal because, gosh, all liberals think the same!

Then tie in something to the thread that has nothing to do with the topic, making it a black versus white issue all of a sudden.

So please, read my comments below about how I feel about this subject.  I'll answer your black and white questions on a relevant post. 

This post is relevent..

 so answer away Death. I presented the situations, answer away enlighted one.

Once again you dribble on and do not add any substance to your response.

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

Hey, jackass, it's not

Hey, jackass, it's not about the policies of the last 100 years.  It's about today's left wing agenda (led by That One) being shoved down the throats of business using mass media as the conduit.  This is just another example of That One's mouthpieces exploiting the ignorance of the average news consumer in a brazen attempt to erode the private sector in favor of a concentrated collective...with That One in charge dictating policy based on his perverse values.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

You kiss your mama with that

You kiss your mama with that mouth?

You know nothing here.  Keep blaming everything on the president.  Hope it makes you happy. 

Once again...

 you avert and do not have an intelligent response. 

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

The next thing of substance

The next thing of substance you contribute to this debate will be the first.  You have had plenty of opportunity to debunk what I originally stated, but chose instead to engage in tired non sequiturs.  I suspect you have not the first clue what this issue is about, but felt compelled to write something in defense of the community organizer, so you "ran your mouth".  In any event, you're in over head and will eventually come to realize it, if you haven't figured it out by now.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Wah wah wah.  Come on, you

Wah wah wah.  Come on, you can do it.  Make your next post "game...set...match."  You still haven't proven your case, and I know you never will.  Enjoy this thread.  I'm not playing this little pissing game of yours anymore.

Big shock there, KDW.  You

Big shock there, KDW.  You had nothing but bluster so you took the coward's way out.  Probably your best move.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

and you KDW

still haven't provided a well backed response to anything anyone has said on here. You avert and dodge. It is what we expect though..so thanks for living up to our expectations. 

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

Pathetic. Even the author of

Pathetic. Even the author of this article failed to blame Obama.  You both still refuse to provide any proof that the president has anything to do with the current state of maternity leave policy.  You've made it perfectly clear that you have no interest in providing such proof (of course you can't because no proof exists), so alas, I give up.  Feel free to trash talk me as much as you'd like.  Navy, I'll see you on another post.  Perhaps you can pick another fight on a topic on which we agree.

It's not about the current

It's not about the current state of the maternity leave policy.  It's about That One and his minions at ABC dishonestly portraying American Business' "attitude" towards subsidized maternity leave in an unfavorable light (i.e. comparing it to a host of third world countries) in order to create the public sentiment that will tolerate the community organizer and his Administration advancing their bankrupt agenda and further interfering in the private sector.  As you have thus far failed to defend (or even articulate) your position, I won't hold my breath expecting you to this time, either.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

My position is clearly

My position is clearly stated below.  Please read my comments down the page.

The position you've stated

The position you've stated below is not unlike my position.  However, the position that ABC is taking is Obama's position...which is to make villains out of private sector businesses for "exploiting" their female employees by not offering longer subsidized maternity leave.  By comparing maternity leave policies in the United States unfavorably to those of Papua, New Guinea and Swaizaland, ABC is deliberately manipulating facts to create phony moral outrage and soften people to legislation that will enforce stricter regulations with regard to maternity leave.  The Obama agenda is not to strengthen private sector businesses, it is to weaken them through unsustainable regulation so that he can accumulate them and run them as he sees fit.  For further reference: see GM, Chrysler, Bank of America...

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

I think you're right for the

I think you're right for the most part, but considering most Americans at some point will benefit from the expansion of the Family and Medial Leave Act, I don't see a majority of ABC viewers becoming outraged over this.  It's one of those topics that is easy to fight against until we become beneficiaries of the program.  My wife and I decided long ago not to have children, so perhaps that decision shapes my views on this topic.  And after further research I'm surprised that so many countries have extended these benefits far beyond those of the US.

What leads you to the

What leads you to the conclusion that "most Americans at some point will benefit from the expansion of the Family and Medical Leave Act"?  Perhaps most families who are eligible will take advantage of the legislation...but that will largely be to the detriment of most Americans.  When you weigh private sector businesses down with onerous and unnecessary regulations like the Family and Medical Leave Act, you create a disincentive for businesses to hire women...all other things being equal, if an employer is making a choice between a male and a female candidate, more often than not the employer is going to pick the man...based on the calculated projection that the woman is more likely to cost the company more money through paid maternity leave (and/or that the company will be required to "hold the place" of the prospective female while she is out on leave).  And, if you as a business are forced to subsidize the personal life choices of your employees (whether that be drug rehab, maternity leave or countless other revenue drains), you naturally have less funds available to hire more productive employees.  Who does this benefit? 

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Once again I agree with

Once again I agree with everything you say here (I know, huh?).  I suppose rather than "benefit" I should have said "will take advantage of."  The only thing I mean here is that the majority of women will choose to have a child, and in doing so will take advantage of the laws on the books - in this case, Family/Med Leave Act.  In doing so, both the husband and wife will benefit from these laws.  I do not think it's right. 

O.K., fair enough, KDW. 

O.K., fair enough, KDW.  Do you at least understand why I am tying Obama, his Administration and Congress into it?  I wasn't reaching for the low-hanging fruit or taking a cheap opportunity to arbitrarily bash the President.  I sincerely believe that ABC is operating as a propaganda unit to repackage and advance Obama's ideological objectives, and this story is a textbook example.  I'm sorry for the namecalling.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

I understand how you're

I understand how you're tying it in, but at least give me my point that as of yet, the current policy that we're under was put in place in '93 during Clinton's first term.  Feel free to blame Obama (and I will join you) once the benefits have been extended, but in the meantime it's all on Clinton and his congress.

No dispute there, but my

No dispute there, but my point is that Obama is using ABC as a propaganda vehicle to advance his agenda of doubling down on this regressive maternity leave regulation.  ABC's tactic (on Obama's behalf) is to shame us into accepting this interference by falsely comparing our current policy to those of shockingly under-developed countries.  And that's the bias highlighted in the original post.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Still no substance, just dodging.

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

delete

double post

I call BS, kdw (what else

I call BS, kdw (what else is new?).  From the Obama/Biden platform:

"Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA): The FMLA covers only certain people who work for employers with 50 or more employees. Barack Obama
and Joe Biden will expand the FMLA to cover businesses with 25 or more
employees, and to cover more purposes including allowing: leave for workers who provide elder care;"

Now how does it have nothing to do with the president again?

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

Is this policy in place

Is this policy in place today?  Have they expanded it?  We're not talking about the future here, we're talking about present day laws.  

Oh...Cry me a river

Oh...Cry me a river here.

...this is getting sooo old.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Have they no shame...?

 How  more dishonest could they possibly be?

There are only three countries in the world, according to many study
groups, that have policies equal to the United States. Swaziland,
Liberia and Papua New Guinea. Even in Iraq, women get one year of
leave, six months at full pay, and six months of half pay. And so many
other countries, particularly industrialized nations, offer similarly
generous benefits for women who are taking maternity leave.

What's the going rate in the Sudan?  How about Haiti?  What sort of benefits package do you get in North Korea?  I hear in China it is very generous.Sometimes they don't even kill your baby.  I wonder how the maternity pay is in Vietnam or Cuba. In Pakistsan every pregnant women gets a lovely suicide vest.

 What a crock for ABC to put out such B.S.  Now they are even openly shilling for the Obama adminstration. Credibility has died.

 

Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.

Faux Statistics

I'm sure maternity leave in Afghanastan is also very enlightened, as it would be in Saudi Arabia.

Another case of the left useing "faux statistics"

Ummm so what....

 I am so sick of this BS from the left.

 Life has choices. Women can choose to have either a career or a family or both. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. To fit the liberals mentality...shouldn't all male employees be offered the same exact time off periodically, that a woman recieves for maternity leave? I mean its only FAIR.

If you want a family then deal with the consequences as well if you want to work too. My wife and I did and we just adjusted to what was available.

Whine, whine, whine.....whine, whine, whine...gosh darn do liberals do anything else?

 

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

Here's a thought - maybe all

Here's a thought - maybe all liberals don't think this way.  I for one don't.  I consider having a baby to be a lifestyle choice, and by choosing to have a baby, you're choosing the responsibilities and consequences that go along with it.  If an employer wants to be extremely generous and offer a woman the time off to have a baby, then I have no problem.  But in no way do I think she should be able to take as much time off as she wants, with pay, while the employer is either forced to hire someone to temporarily replace her, or make the other employees responsible for her work with no additional pay.  Filthy, whiney liberal I am, eh?

Ironically Kennedy...

 that contradicts the notion  you portray just a few posts above this one. Are you too, trying to have the cake and eat it too? Or are you just following  your mentor Obambi and speaking out both sides of your mouth?

 

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

You can't even admit it when

You can't even admit it when you're wrong, can you?  

The poster above blamed this on Obama.  I called BS on it because the current state of maternity rights has nothing to do with this president, whatsoever.  These same policies have been in place for many years.  Sure you can blame Obama for many things you disagree with, but this time it's not the case.

Now tell me where the contradiction is? 

The reason the poster above..

says it relates to Obambi is because he has brought the subject up. Like a previous poster has mentioned Biden and Obama want to change the family leave act. That is why the media is talking about the topic, period. Its called correlation. It is what you, Kennedy Death Watch, did with the Letterman joke. He made a joke about a Palin kid. The one at the game was Willow, the joke was about a Palin child getting banged under the bleachers by A-Rod....yet you, using correlation assuemed it was Bristol (she was pregnant in the past, even though she didn't make the trip and she wasn't at the game) but she was pregnant. So correlating the two topics you assuemed he meant Bristol.

No soup for you!!! Next.

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

That's a

That's a stretch.

Game.

Set.

Match.

(I think that's what you meant to write) 

Once again no substance.

"You see Obama is going to tax those not paying taxes...those making over 97,000 dollars ayear. Once you make that much you don't pay taxes...he's going to make them pay. And I will finally get a break." -My mom who is on welfare and food st

KDW, I told you earlier, I

KDW, I told you earlier, I think there's hope for you yet! 

Stick around here, we'll swing you over!  ;-)

\I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

I like you MB.  If there

I like you MB.  If there was such a thing as a virtual cup o' joe, I'd be extending you an invitation right now.

Well, here's the problem

Well, here's the problem with maternity leave.  Getting paid to not work in no way helps productivity.  Mandating that a job be held for someone for over a year also doesn't help.  If the government chose to mandate that companies give paid or unpaid leave for maternity, then what it does is encourage women to get pregnant in order to get paid for being mothers.  This is an expansion of the welfare state being paid directly by the corporations. 

Now, should companies offer maternity leave?  Of course they should, but with conditions that allow business to remain healthy.  For instance, my employer grants a certain amount of sick leave.  If one manages to accrue enough time to take full paid maternity leave, then they are free to use those hours.  Once you remove the freedom of businesses to choose how they offer benefits, they become mandated to work at far lower efficiency.  This also incentivizes certain behaviours not conducive to productivity.

Leave it alone and allow business to operate as it will.  That is where freedom of choice allows people to choose where they work based on the pros and cons and how each relates to their lives.

Why should I be required to

Why should I be required to pay a salary to you if you are not working?  You're child-bearing is your business.  I know that sounds cold, but really, how am I supposed to stay in business if I am paying everyone's maternity leave and getting nothing in return?  It's simple contract law: I should get something in return for giving you a salary.  With maternity leave, you get two things and I get nothing.

Ouija Board programming

I swear, ABC must use a Ouija Board to come up with their news topics.

Why this Libtard insistence

Why this Libtard insistence in holding up failed countries as an example to America?

Of course, the way things are going we may one day be rather like Swaziland or Papua New Guinea in the not too distant future.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).