According to ABC anchor Diane Sawyer, a new Oklahoma law making it a felony for U.S. citizens to knowingly provide shelter or transportation to illegal immigrants goes "across the line," "too far," and turns people into "vigilantes." Interviewing Lou Dobbs, CNN host and noted opponent of illegal immigration, on Tuesday's edition of "Good Morning America," Sawyer appeared to be aghast at what she considered "turning people in" for offering assistance to illegals.
The GMA host even quizzed Dobbs about whether his problem is with Hispanics in general. After noting a new Census Bureau report that found last names such as Garcia and Rodriguez are increasing in number, she guardedly wondered, "To Lou Dobbs, is this a good thing or a bad thing?" After Dobbs responded in favor of legal immigration, Sawyer plowed ahead with her question about the new Oklahoma law. She incredulously queried, "People are vigilantes about transportation and shelter? Isn't that going too far?"
The CNN host, who was appearing to promote "Independents Day," his new book on politics and the '08 election, firmly responded by educating Sawyer to the fact that federal statutes already make it a crime to knowingly assist someone in breaking the law. This, of course, is the same journalist who, in September, appeared confused as to why anyone would label a John Edwards-floated idea to deny health care to Congress a "gimmick." (This was during an interview with Hillary Clinton. The senator slowly explained that Congress itself would have to approve such a plan.) The ABC host closed the immigration conversation by politely, but firmly, asserting, "We could go on all morning, you and I, and may some day, I hope."
Earlier in the interview, however, when Dobbs peddled his populist mantra about big corporations taking advantage of average Americans, the GMA anchor was nowhere near as combative. She jokingly asked if the cable host would be running for president and tossed him this softball about the other two political parties: "Why can't the Republican and Democratic parties get it done?"
Sawyer has made her opinion on immigration quite clear. In October, she traveled to Mexico to interview that country's president and report live on the state of the border. The ABC anchor alleged that emotional Americans, "fueled by anger" were driving the debate on the contentious issue.
A transcript of the November 20 segment, which aired at 7:40am, follows:
DIANE SAWYER: We're going to turn now to CNN anchor Lou Dobbs creating a kind of revolution, if he has his way. He has a new book out called "Independents Day: Awakening the American Spirit." It's a swashbuckling review of what is broken in America, including the Republican and Democratic parties, if I read it right. And Lou Dobbs is with us this morning. It's good to see you.
LOU DOBBS: Great to be with you, Diane.
SAWYER: All right. You write, "Next November's surprise will be the election of man or woman of great character, vision and accomplishment, a candidate who has not yet entered the race." Are you saying that nobody in the race now has character, vision, accomplishment?
DOBBS: I'm saying that in my judgment, as I travel around the country, I don't think the American people believe that. There is so little, so little excitement, enthusiasm, for any one of these candidates, including the two front-runners in either party, that I truly believe we're going to see an independent populous emerge from some quarter of our society. I have not a clue where.
SAWYER: Not a clue? And look into my eyes, Lou Dobbs, because in the Wall Street Journal friends of Lou Dobbs were quoted as saying you were seriously contemplating running for president as an independent.
DOBBS: What kind of friend would, you know, urge that thinking on one, even in the Wall Street Journal, without being named? I -- you know, I -- that's not where my interests lies right now.
SAWYER: Not going to do it. Not going to be you?
DOBBS: I doubt that very seriously that anything like that could even possibly emerge.
SAWYER: All right. We had a doubt it seriously in there, parsing this, we didn't close the door completely. The other thing that you write is, "November 2008 could well be that a majority of Americans who consider themselves independents. I believe only an independent voter rebellion in effect will return the country to the common good and the national interest." Why can't the Republican and Democratic parties get it done?
DOBBS: I don't know, but over 30 years, Diane, as you've witnessed and chronicled, this country is --- we have gone into a malaise over 30 years because of our ruling elite, those are the elites in government, both political parties, business elites. We used to be able to turn to a CEO of a major corporation and say "We need you for public service." That is no longer the case in which there's a great commitment to public service on the part of corporate America. In fact, the commitment is neither to their employers, to their country, but rather to commerce and profits. At the end, corporate America is spending $2 billion a year lobbying in Washington to crowd out any representation of middle class, working men and women of their families.
SAWYER: Let me just turn if we can, because we can't cover all the issues you tackle in the book.
DOBBS: Sure.
SAWYER: But, as we know, you're so identified with the question of illegal immigration and what you think it's doing to this country. I just want to try to parse some of the things that have been happening in the last few days. For instance, news about illegal immigration, not illegal immigration, just immigration. The Census Bureau now says among the top ten names in America, along with "Smith" and "Johnson," still number one and two, for the first time, eight and nine are "Garcia" and "Rodriguez. To Lou Dobbs, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
DOBBS: To me, it's a good thing. Diversity is the strength of this country. This is the most socially, ethnically, racially, religiously diverse society on Earth. What in the world could be -- you know could better for this country? We bring in more legal immigrants into this country than the rest of the world combined.
SAWYER: So your question is only about where we draw the line on illegal immigration?
DOBBS: I don't have a question. My insistence is we follow the law in this country that we secure our borders. More than six years after September 11th, that we secure our ports.
SAWYER: But let me address something a lot of people think is really going across the line.
DOBBS: Sure.
SAWYER: For instance, recently, a new law just in effect in Oklahoma made it a felony not only to provide employment, a job, to an illegal immigrant, but how about this? Provide transportation or shelter?
DOBBS: Right, it's already --
SAWYER: People are vigilantes about transportation and shelter? Isn't that going too far?
DOBBS: Vigilantes? I think that's a law that should be --
SAWYER: Well, turning, turning people in for transportation or shelter--
DOBBS: It's already a felony, by the way to do so. It's against the law in this country to aid and abet anyone breaking U.S. law so we have a lot of people in violation on the federal level. Oklahoma did a, put together a strong powerful law in that state. In the state legislature and that government followed the will of the people. It is precisely that will that exists across this country. This is a welcoming nation. We have, as I said, we're the most racially divorce, socially diverse society on Earth. And we bring in more than two million legal immigrants. Why do you-- does anyone expect working men and women in this country, the middle class in this country, to accept being ignored, their will being ignored by the two political parties on the issue of illegal immigration, border security, the failure of public education, the failure to invest in our infrastructure. Who in the world are these arrogant elites who think that because they're in a branding mechanism called the Republican or Democratic parties, they have the right to ignore the will of the majority? It's the basic tenet of democracy, to represent the majority.
SAWYER: We could go on all morning, you and I, and may some day, I hope.
DOBBS: Look forward to it.
SAWYER: Thanks again. It is a really provocative book, as I said. And happy Thanksgiving to everyone at the Dobbs house.
DOBBS: You too. All the best.
SAWYER: "Independents Day" is now in the bookstores. You can read all about these issues and also an excerpt on ABCNews.com.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.















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Diane
November 20, 2007 - 13:46 ET by iveseenitall70% or more of the American people ( Dems, Republicans and Independents ) don't want "illegals" in this country. Diane Sawyer is an ignorant, pompous ass!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
70% of the country wants us out of Iraq by Dec 2008
November 20, 2007 - 13:58 ET by Daniel BakerMajority should not always get what they want.
You're comparing apples to
November 20, 2007 - 15:09 ET by Darth DutchYou're comparing apples to oranges.
With Iraq, the people have no direct authority in getting the troops out. If they did, then the troops would be out.
With illegals, America's way of life is being slowly eroded, the culture is changing, hospitals are closing, schools are over-crowded; all very real things that people can see happening. And we do have a say in this with the votes that we cast. People want the laws followed, plain and simple. Your argument is very weak.
Darth Dutch
illegals are the source of all ills is silly
November 20, 2007 - 17:32 ET by Daniel Baker"With illegals, America's way of life is being slowly eroded, the
culture is changing, hospitals are closing, schools are over-crowded;
all very real things that people can see happening."
These very real things are not all the illegals fault. It is more a fault of the welfare state. Sorry they offend you for trying to improve their lives
"offend you for improving their lives"
November 20, 2007 - 17:43 ET by RJNo, they don't offend us because they are trying to improve their lives.
They offend us because, among other things, they are here illegally and are demanding "rights", services and amnesty ahead of potential immigrants who follow lawful entry procedures.
The Constitution guarantees
November 20, 2007 - 18:15 ET by TexasOptimistThe Constitution guarantees its rights to ALL persons within the borders of this great nation.
George W. Bush is not a full-fledged conservative, but I still support his presidency. (Although I am rethinking this position daily!) Still, I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats. Merry Christmas 2007.
"The Constitution guarantees its rights to ALL persons..."
November 20, 2007 - 18:25 ET by vrwc13Right...and this one too:
"You have the right to remain silent and..."
v
"…you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts." -the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Constitutional rights....well....possibly....but
November 20, 2007 - 19:04 ET by RJthey are even abusing that, with their lawsuits to prevent deportation. They're also demanding a host of other "rights", like schooling (including college), free medical and social care....even jobs.
Fine
November 20, 2007 - 21:03 ET by ArcherBFine, read them rights and deport them. What's the problem? The Constitution is the LAW. When you break the law, you are pissing on the Constitution. I have rights to. Mind if I break into your house and take what I like? Who's gonna stop me? That's right, THE LAW. Why are the laws protecting you any more important than the laws protecting the border?
Deport the ones breaking the law and make it easier for those who want to come here legally to do so. You have to have BOTH!
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. --George Orwell
Ouch, you're batting
November 20, 2007 - 18:14 ET by TexasOptimistOuch, you're batting 2-for-2.
George W. Bush is not a full-fledged conservative, but I still support his presidency. (Although I am rethinking this position daily!) Still, I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats. Merry Christmas 2007.
eh?
November 20, 2007 - 18:09 ET by UndercoverConservativeYou from South Africa, Mr. Baker? They had this nifty little social policy called "apartheid".
Unless you were joking, and your sarcasm went righ over my head :)
Touche. George W. Bush is
November 20, 2007 - 18:13 ET by TexasOptimistTouche.
George W. Bush is not a full-fledged conservative, but I still support his presidency. (Although I am rethinking this position daily!) Still, I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats. Merry Christmas 2007.
Diane
November 20, 2007 - 13:51 ET by candanceBut haven't you heard, Diane Sawyer worked for Nixon's staff when she was in college. She can't possibly be a liberal 30 years later.
card holding member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
Diane can stay out too!!
November 20, 2007 - 13:58 ET by OldSailor88Born and raised around Alva, Oklahoma. Couldn't be prouder of my home state leading the way on the immigration issue. As far as we're concerned Diane can stay out too. You don't like our laws, don't come here.
OldSailor88, you vigilante
November 20, 2007 - 14:06 ET by RJDon't usually watch that program, but as I was looking for a weather forecast I came across this interview. Actually, Dobb's rebuke for Sawyer calling the new law "vigilantism" was immediate and sharp, although he did become "patient."
But her slip of the tongue points up two things:
1) It reveals Sawyer's clear pro-amnesty mindset on the issue.
2) Dobbs is one of the few willing to challenge that kind of nonsense from the media or politicans
Good point, RJ
November 20, 2007 - 15:42 ET by Scott WhitlockDobbs' response, though it did become patient (as he explained the federal statues), was rather sharp at first. I altered my description of that exchange.
Sawyer is actually worried
November 20, 2007 - 14:15 ET by ConservativeRexSawyer is actually worried about somebody stopping the slaves on the way to her house to clean up and do her yard work.
Lou
November 20, 2007 - 14:41 ET by okiehawk44Let's see now ... Lou's wife is a hispanic from Mexico and Diane's husband is a pasty white guy from eastern europe ... who's got cred here on this issue?
Does she even know what the word means?
November 20, 2007 - 15:13 ET by NBFMaybe we can all chip in and buy Diane Sawyer a dictionary. How embarrassing.
ABC's Sawyer: 'Vigilantes'
November 20, 2007 - 15:55 ET by Chris NormanABC's Sawyer: 'Vigilantes' Going 'Too Far' to Combat Illegals?
Heck, I'm sure she thinks calling them "illegals" is going "too far"...
The Problem
November 20, 2007 - 17:45 ET by PAPA LThe Problem with Diane Sawyer and the likes. Is in my humble opinion, they live on the top of the hill, and you know what runs down hill. I think she and the sanctuary crowd and of course the amnesty crown need to be brought down off that hill, or knocked off their high horses (figuaritivly speaking of course, ahem)
A PROUD AMERICAN
and The Solution...
November 20, 2007 - 18:42 ET by planetrepublicanYou are correct, the Diane Sawyers of the world DO live on top of the hill but they also live a limousine liberal, 35,000 ft in a Lear jet life too. They are the "green people" (people with lots of $) and are totally unaffected by what we common folk are. Nationalized health? Big deal, they will have private hospitals with the best docs. Illegal’s pouring across the boarders? So what, they live in the ivory towers surrounded by armed body guards (private armies are more like it). Global Warming tax credits? So what, they will pay them and still drive their Hummers and fly their Lears around. Things get too tough in America? So what, they will move to the south of France and drink Chardonnay all day. Most pampered out of touch people since the French revolution…uh, wait a moment…now that’s got me thinking…
Yup
November 20, 2007 - 19:43 ET by well99That pretty well sums it up.
The ABC anchor alleged that
November 20, 2007 - 16:07 ET by Chris NormanThe ABC anchor alleged that emotional Americans, "fueled by anger" were driving the debate on the contentious issue
Ever notice how liberals and the liberal media love to label conservatives and their positions as "angry"? I think they do that to imply "immaturity". As if Conservatives are immature and don't know what they're doing, where as Liberals and their positions are mature and reasoned. I think this is also true with many RINO senators, who see themselves as more mature (not angry) than their party's rank and file.
from an email I received today...ode to Tumbler...
November 20, 2007 - 16:24 ET by vrwc13. . . Everyone concentrates on the problems we're having in this country lately; illegal immigration, hurricane recovery, alligators attacking people in Florida . .
Not me. I concentrate on solutions for the problems. It's a win-win situation.
+ Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
+ Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.
+ Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.
Any other problems you would like for me to solve today?
and...
I'm sorry, but after hearing they want
to sing OUR National Anthem in Spanish -
enough is Too much!
NEVER did they sing it in Italian,
Japanese, Polish, Irish-Celtic, German, Portuguese, Greek, French, or any other language because of immigration.
It was written by Francis Scott Key and should be sung word for word the way it
was written. The news broadcasts
gave a translation that's NOT even close.
Sorry if this offends anyone,
THIS IS MY COUNTRY!
Do YOU - sing MY
National Anthem in YOUR COUNTRY
IN ENGLISH ? ? ?
And, because I make this statement
DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration!!!
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE IN MY COUNTRY.
Welcome to come through like
everyone else has.
Get a sponsor !
Get a place to lay your head !
Get a job !
Live by OUR rules !
Pay YOUR taxes !
And
LEARN THE LANGUAGE
LIKE ALL OTHER IMMIGRANTS HAVE
IN THE PAST!!!
AND PLEASE DON'T DEMAND THAT WE HAND OVER OUR LIFETIME SAVINGS OF SOCIAL SECURITY FUNDS TO YOU
TO MAKE UP FOR ''YOUR'' LOSSES.
If you don't want to forward this
for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
When will AMERICAN'S STOP giving away THEIR RIGHTS???
We've gone so far the other way,
bent over backwards not to
offend anyone.
But it seems no one cares about the AMERICAN
that's being offended!
WAKE UP America!!!
If you agree - pass this on...
if you don't agree - delete it ! ! !
LOL!
November 20, 2007 - 18:25 ET by UndercoverConservativeI love it, I think I'll have to steal that first part. Giving credit where due of course.
I had an add on, that would also take care of nuclear proliferation issues. We can dig the trench using this:
http://en.wikipedia....
woohoo!:)
I'll bet there isn't an
November 20, 2007 - 16:25 ET by nicksmith112I'll bet there isn't an illegal flop house within 20 miles of the Sawyer homes. You know the dwellings intended to legally house 10 people but turn into a shelter for 50 that have sprung up in middle class america?
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
I bet you're absolutely
November 20, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Darth DutchI bet you're absolutely right. Part of the problem with Sawyer and many others in the media is that they don't see the absolute devastation that illegal immigration causes. They live primarily in the east coast (where illegal immigration isn't as prevalent) or, if they do live in the west coast, they are way to politically correct.
You can bet that in 20 years when our country is literally overrun by illegals, state and county coffers are near zero, hospitals have shut down, it's hard to find a class in English, etc., that Sawyer and those like her will be blaming the government for not cracking down on illegal immigration. They like to complain about both sides of the coin.
Darth Dutch
not just middle class
November 20, 2007 - 18:19 ET by UndercoverConservativeapartments at the low end here too. My first neighbors (been at this address over three years) had over a dozen adults (and two or three children) living in a two bedroom unit at any one time. They got evicted after numerous complaints (apartment manager wouldn't do anything about it) and finally the tenants who weren't even on the lease getting in the building *owner's* face-finally the manager had to do something.
Current neighbors are supposed to be a couple and their two children. They have four cars and a van parked in the streets and around. three bicycles chained up in various places in front of their unit and the parking lot, with at least a half a dozen adults there in the evenings. Between four and six children during the day. Supposedly, these other adults are "relatives" who live "down the street" but never spend time there or park their cars "down the street" either.
To top it off, they absolutely love the ganja. Stinky clouds coming out during the day and evenings, when the kids can be heard screaming around. Never heard a 5 year old tell his mother and father-figure "F**k You!" in english, and call her a whore in spanish (witnessed this myself as they were outside in the driveway in front of my unit, hanging out every evening and leaving trash). Yep, that's the kind of cultural diversity we need to celebrate, mmm hmm.
Sawyers always seems to be
November 20, 2007 - 19:55 ET by bigtimerSawyers always seems to be quietly aghast about something...
What I am happy about and the leftist in the msm aren't is illegal immigration is going to be a number one issue...
They just wished it would all go away...their little stories aren't doing them any good anymore when it comes to pro-illegal immigration, it has finally backfired and the MAJORITY of people of both parties are past fed up.
I don't agree with Dobbs about a lot of things but he has done a great job on all of this, I have wondered quite a bit if CNN isn't sorry they hired him back on their team...heheheee
Getting more ballsey and it makes me sick
November 21, 2007 - 21:14 ET by red_dragon311My wife was here illegaly 11 years ago, and we married 10 years later we have 3 kids ( my "step"-daughter was 2 when get got married and we have 2 boys together)
so we know many people who are here illiegaly , and that didn't bother me much but my wife told me a family we know found a person to do ther taxes ( with fake SS#'s) and they did their back taxes for the last 3 years and got a refund of $18,000.
needless to say that pissed me off. I know the aurgument "they worked for the money it's their's" well they way I look at it is it's a small price you people pay to be here.
what can I do about this, this can not go on, I am fed up with them wanting the world from the USA.