Watching Saturday’s network morning shows, the talking heads seemed to agree that Friday night’s debate did not produce “a clear winner” or any “knockout punch,” and that it was unlikely that any “needle was moved” among undecided voters. Yet those same networks tried to also argue that Obama had really won the debate, superficially suggesting that McCain’s “disdainful” body language poorly contrasted with the “warm” and “deferential” Obama.
On style, “Barack Obama did a much better job,” ABC contributor Matthew Dowd asserted. NBC’s Chuck Todd insisted that “McCain barely could look at Obama, was disdainful at times, almost annoyed that he was having to share the same stage....Here was Obama being deferential, and here is McCain being disdainful.”
Friday night on CNN, a snap poll of 524 adults who watched the debate suggested more thought Obama had won, by a 51% to 38% margin. But CNN correspondent John King cautioned that the poll was heavy with Democratic viewers: “Looking at our poll...the audience watching has a higher percentage of Democrats than the country as a whole.”
King’s colleague Jeffrey Toobin, however, suggested that the polls would push the country into accepting Obama as the true winner: “Once one side is established as the winner, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy....It is very important, I think, that the first objective analysis -- you know, not from us, but from polls, and I think it's consistent across the networks -- all show Obama winning.”
The only other network to poll a random sample last night was CBS, which selected 483 “previously uncommitted” voters to respond via the Internet. Saturday’s Early Show twice touted the results of that poll, but the numbers were inexplicably different than those caught by NewsBuster’s Brent Baker when he watched CBS’s prime time coverage. Last night, CBS had Obama “winning” by a 40% to 22% margin; by this morning, the poll results had curiously changed to 39% for Obama and 24% for McCain.
Here’s a rundown of some of this morning’s coverage, plus the exchange on CNN last night when they disclosed their own survey showing Obama winning, beginning with the 11:30pm EDT exchange on CNN:
# CNN post-debate coverage, September 26:
ANDERSON COOPER: We've just conducted a telephone poll, a CNN-Opinion Research poll -- 524 adult Americans surveyed by the telephone. First question, who did the best job in the debate? Obama 51%, John McCain, 38%. Next question was, who would better handle Iraq? The answer to that: Obama, 52% to John McCain's 47%. And then the third question, who would better handle the economy? 58% for Obama, 37% of respondents said John McCain. What do you make of that, John King?JOHN KING: Well, one thing looking at our poll is that, what the pollsters are saying, is that the audience watching has a higher percentage of Democrats than the country as a whole. So it will be interesting -- we'll be watching other organizations' polls to see if Democrats tuned into the debate, and what are the reasons for that. But certainly, if you have these headlines tomorrow that say the polls say Obama won, that certainly helps Barack Obama....
JEFFREY TOOBIN: What is significant, I think, about these polls is there tends to be a multiplier effect when these -- about these debates. That, initially, people aren't quite sure, but once one side is established as the winner, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy....It is very important, I think, that the first objective analysis -- you know, not from us, but from polls, and I think it's consistent across the networks -- all show Obama winning.
# ABC Good Morning America, September 27
BILL WEIR: For analysis on all this now, joining us ABC News political contributor Matthew Dowd....Did you see a clear winner last night?MATTHEW DOWD: I don't think there was a clear winner, but I think you'd have to give the possession of the debate to Barack Obama. He went in with a lead. If you look at this as a 12th or 13th round of a prize fight, he's still ahead on points afterwards. John McCain tried to knock him off balance a bit. It didn't happen. So, slight edge, I think, in the end to Barack Obama. And he comes out of it -- goes into it with a lead and comes out with a lead.
WEIR: How about demeanor and tone? It was interesting that Obama made two points of contact -- it took him a while -- but it was the camera and John McCain. Whereas McCain seemed focused on the moderator.
DOWD: Yeah, that was an interesting thing. Most, you know -- debates are judged by the American public by substance and by style and how you connect with the audience. And I think on that regard, Barack Obama did a much better job. He, as you say, he looked at the camera. He smiled. He actually, you know, gave John McCain -- he said 'John McCain is right' a number of times. John McCain never said that to Barack Obama. And just his body language was, he was not going to look -- either somebody told him or he decided he was not going to look at Barack Obama. And I don't think in a debate, in front of the American public, that is a good thing. They want somebody that warms up. And I think Barack Obama did that.
# CBS’s Saturday Early Show, September 27:
CO-HOST ERICA HILL, 8am EDT: Senators Barack Obama and John McCain squaring off for the first time at the University of Mississippi, but did either candidate land that knockout punch? A new CBS News poll taken right after the debate finds that among previously uncommitted voters, Obama won the verbal match, 39 to 24 percent. 37% of those polled thought it was a tie.PRIYA DAVID, 8:30am news update: The presidential candidates faced off in their first televised debate last night. It was supposed to be about foreign policy, but the Wall Street bailout played a major role. The debate was held at the Univesity of Mississippi. While the pundits seemed to agree there was no knockout punch, a new CBS News poll of previously uncommitted voters had Barack Obama as the winner.
# NBC’s Today, September 27:
LESTER HOLT: Did these debates move any needles, in your view?CHUCK TODD: Well, I'd be really surprised if any needle was moved....They were both very good at doing what they do well. Obama being a little more direct than he usually is, but still expansive, and the format helped him there. McCain being very direct, showing a lot of energy, and they presented two very divergent views on foreign policy. I mean, it is not as if a voter could sit there and say, geez, these guys are sounding alike. They did not sound alike at all....
TODD: I was struck by the two different ways that they handled each other. Obama very much was trying to be deferential -- he did this a lot in this primary debates. He would say 'Hillary was right,' or he would say 'Joe was right.'...Take that and compare it to where McCain barely could look at Obama, was disdainful at times, almost annoyed that he was having to share the same stage, that he was being compared on his presidential mettle versus Obama's presidential mettle. And that's -- you wonder, how is that tone playing? You know, a lot of times, tone can dictate how a voter feels about a debate. Here was Obama being deferential, and here is McCain being disdainful. We'll see -- it is an angry public out there right now, so maybe they'll connect with disdainful, but a lot of times that isn't the case.
—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.





JEFFREY TOOBIN: What is significant, I think, about these polls is there tends to be a multiplier effect when these -- about these debates. That, initially, people aren't quite sure, but once one side is established as the winner, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy....It is very important, I think, that the first objective analysis -- you know, not from us, but from polls, and I think it's consistent across the networks -- all show Obama winning.
DOWD: Yeah, that was an interesting thing. Most, you know -- debates are judged by the American public by substance and by style and how you connect with the audience. And I think on that regard, Barack Obama did a much better job. He, as you say, he looked at the camera. He smiled. He actually, you know, gave John McCain -- he said 'John McCain is right' a number of times. John McCain never said that to Barack Obama. And just his body language was, he was not going to look -- either somebody told him or he decided he was not going to look at Barack Obama. And I don't think in a debate, in front of the American public, that is a good thing. They want somebody that warms up. And I think Barack Obama did that.














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Styling and profiling
September 27, 2008 - 11:36 ET by Jerry MackWhen they start talking about who was best at styling and profiling instead of substance, they know that Barry did not do very well.
Anyone who watched Obama
September 27, 2008 - 11:48 ET by motherbeltAnyone who watched Obama while McCain was speaking would not describe him as "warm and deferential."
He smirked a lot, and shook his head, as if he was thinking "Poor old John; it's sad, really...."
As for being "polite" like he was in the primaries, yes that's true. He's a real Eddie Haskell. Face to face he's smarmy. When the other guy isn't around, on the stump, the other Eddie shows up; the cocky know-it-all.
Obama= Eddie Haskel Ha!
September 28, 2008 - 11:44 ET by pumapurrRight on. Add Joe Biden as Wally, who knows his pal Eddie is "sort of a creep".
John and Cindy McCain as Ward and June.
Nancy Pelosi as the nasty self-important Judy
Donna Brazile as Lumpy
And little boy Chis Matthews as... The Beaver!
Surely not the MSM, it is
September 27, 2008 - 11:49 ET by d1carterSurely not the MSM, it is all about style for these idiots..
last night's snapshot polls (corrected column order)
September 27, 2008 - 11:57 ET by wdhorningBoth CNN and Fox had "punch in" polling. Here were the numbers about midnight:
: CNN FoxNews TOTALS
McCain 30317 73800 104117
Obama 73250 30317 88780
These results show a few things:
1) for the total of all Democrats and Republicans and Independents, more voted for McCain where the vote ratio was 44% for Obama, but 56% percent for McCain.
2) CNN has a viewership that is mostly Democrats, that is a ratio of 3:1 over Republicans, yet Obama only got 7:3 ratio which, when a common denominator is used, yields 7:3 ratio out of 9:3 proving that many Democrats switched sides, at least when looking at debate performance. (A tie ratio would have been 9:3, but Obama only got 7:3).
3) FoxNews viewship is mostly Republicans, and that ratio is about 7:5 over Democrats according to recent viewer's survey. In this case McCain got a ratio of 3:1 and when the common denominator is changed for comparison we see that with a viewership of 7:5 McCain got a vote of confidence of 15:5 which exceeds a tie of 7:5 by 2 to 1
4) There was of course some independent voters in the mix, so the ratios are not perfect, but still close
5) Finally, the FoxNews poll also shows a much larger percentage of Democrats watch FoxNews than the percentage of Republicans that watch CNN. Could it be that FoxNews presents both sides more fairly that CNN?
Ans: I watched the interviews after the debate and very strong arguments were allowed to be made by spokespersons from both McCain and Obama camps on FoxNews. I have watched CNN on occasion in the past, just to compare, and sure enough, CNN lets a Republicn who is a "numb nuts" speak on behalf of McCain/Palin, but picks the brightest Democrat to speak for Obama/Biden.
7) I believe it was 6 times Obama had to say something like, "Sen McCain is absolutely right", while McCain only agreed with Obama ever so slightly on a few key points (like doing something about the financial crisis). It seems McCain articulated much better, which was not just debating skills alone, but he has more knowledge in the background of all issues.
8) This simple survey shows that all the MSM commentators are clearly in the Obama camp, because they all said Obama won the debates, but the combined Democrat-Republican survey I just did proves them to be biased at bias can get.
9) I watched a discussion afterwards, where Juan Williams could NOT look anyone in the face when he said Obama won the debate and also while explaining why, showing Mr Williams, in truth, did not believe what he was saying. He finally did look the moderator in the face for those things that were simple statements of fact, however, proving he was embarassed when he lacked confidence in his support of Obama, but OK when what he said was just a statement of fact. All the other commentators looked the moderator in the face, because they all provided more balanced comments that were fairly truthful, including those comments favoring Obama. No one looked down or away when providing favorable comments for McCain.
Uh...
September 27, 2008 - 13:22 ET by BobAnthonyWhat you said!
Seriously I couldn't have dug any deeper than that. I am politically independent with conservative leanings, but I watch Fox News myself--avoiding CNN (except for Glenn Beck on Headline News) and AVOID AT ALL COSTS MSNBC!
last night's snapshot polls
September 27, 2008 - 11:49 ET by wdhorningBoth CNN and Fox had "punch in" polling. Here were the numbers about midnight:
: CNN FoxNews
McCain 15530 73800
Obama 73250 30317
TOTALS 88780 104117
These results show a few things:
1) for the total of all Democrats and Republicans and Independents,
more voted for McCain where the vote ratio was 44% for Obama, but 56%
percent for McCain.
2) CNN has a viewership that is mostly Democrats, that is a ratio of
3:1 over Republicans, yet Obama only got 7:3 ratio which, when a common
denominator is used, yields 7:3 ratio out of 9:3 proving that many
Democrats switched sides, at least when looking at debate performance.
(A tie ratio would have been 9:3, but Obama only got 7:3).
3) FoxNews viewship is mostly Republicans, and that ratio is about
7:5 over Democrats according to recent viewer's survey. In this case
McCain got a ratio of 3:1 and when the common denominator is changed
for comparison we see that with a viewership of 7:5 McCain got a vote
of confidence of 15:5 which exceeds a tie of 7:5 by 2 to 1
4) There was of course some independent voters in the mix, so the ratios are not perfect, but still close
5) Finally, the FoxNews poll also shows a much larger percentage of
Democrats watch FoxNews than the percentage of Republicans that watch
CNN. Could it be that FoxNews presents both sides more fairly that
CNN?
Ans: I watched the interviews after the debate and very strong
arguments were allowed to be made by spokespersons from both McCain and
Obama camps on FoxNews. I have watched CNN on occasion in the past,
just to compare, and sure enough, CNN lets a Republicn who is a "numb
nuts" speak on behalf of McCain/Palin, but picks the brightest Democrat
to speak for Obama/Biden.
7) I believe it was 6 times Obama had to say something like, "Sen
McCain is absolutely right", while McCain only agreed with Obama ever
so slightly on a few key points (like doing something about the
financial crisis). It seems McCain articulated much better, which was
not just debating skills alone, but he has more knowledge in the
background of all issues.
8) This simple survey shows that all the MSM commentators are clearly
in the Obama camp, because they all said Obama won the debates, but the
combined Democrat-Republican survey I just did proves them to be biased
at bias can get.
9) I watched a discussion afterwards, where Juan Williams could NOT
look anyone in the face when he said Obama won the debate and also
while explaining why, showing Mr Williams, in truth, did not believe
what he was saying. He finally did look the moderator in the face for
those things that were simple statements of fact, however, proving he
was embarassed when he lacked confidence in his support of Obama, but
OK when what he said was just a statement of fact. All the other
commentators looked the moderator in the face, because they all
provided more balanced comments that were fairly truthful, including
those comments favoring Obama. No one looked down or away when
providing favorable comments for McCain.
wd
September 27, 2008 - 12:54 ET by cocodrieThanks for taking the time-well said.
Just look at their subdued manner
September 27, 2008 - 12:09 ET by sms5217I agree with those that say that determining the winner in these debates require a degree in reading "tea leaves". That is, how subdued in the MSM's manner? How is their enthusiasm?
I thought McCain won the night, hands down. How did I know I was right? Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews either were subdued (KO) or showed anger that Obama didn't hit harder (CM).
Further, a "tie" means that EVEN THE DRIVE-BY HITJOB MEDIA knows they can't plausibly declare their messiah the outright victor. So, they do the next best thing....declare the whole affair a "tie", and say that Obama "won" anyway.
If McCain truly lost, committed a fatal blunder or in any way appeared out of his element, old, angry, etc., the same media would be absolutely CROWING. You know it, I know it, and they know it.
This whole debate victory, thus, requires a quick study in understanding MSM language and mannerisms.
Trial lawyers are the scum of the earth
The media's influence on politics
September 27, 2008 - 12:13 ET by KC MulvillePeople no longer respond naturally. That's my complaint about the media's influence on the political process. Instead, too many people feel compelled to join the collective bandwagon, and the media tries to create the bandwagon. When asked, they respond how they think they're supposed to respond. They don't respond spontaneously.
McCain believes in negotiation. Obama believes in talking. There's a difference. It came out in the part where McCain wanted to know how talking to Ahmedinejab would counter his threats against Israel. We can tell him "No, don't do that." McCain's reaction, properly so, is that talking isn't enough. Obama's only foreign policy is to talk to opponents, and McCain correctly said that wasn't nearly enough. McCain talked about the strategy behind Petraeus' surge - it's a comprehensive engagement from the ground up. Obama had nothing in return. Oh wait, Obama had a bracelet too.
If you were merely looking for jaw-dropping gaffes, you missed it - as the liberal media missed it. But for any thinking person, McCain smacked Obama into the ground. He exposed the shallowness of Obama's policy. Obama showed himself a lightweight, yet again.
The tie goes to
September 27, 2008 - 13:28 ET by motherbeltThe tie goes to Obama?
What the H is that????
What were they doing, playing "Risk" where ties go to the defender?
Even Chris Wallace at FOX was parroting these talking points
September 27, 2008 - 13:34 ET by Lame CherryOne heard the same lines or lies from PBS, Chris Wallace and the above. This garbage of "well McCain won, but give us a few days and we will change the idiot public's mind" is so insulting and typical of these liberals.
It is past time that NB outed Chris Wallace and everyone at FOX news who is now part of this Murdoch skew for Obama.
John McCain trounced Barack Obama and as I have reported McCain rattled Obama so bad that he blew him out of his Manchurian Hitler staredown he started out with trying to intimidate blacks and minorities around the nation.
Obama got turned into a girly boy by the last 45 minutes of the debate as you saw him standing slumped and that sheen of humiliation on his face.
John McCain won this and it is up to Limbaugh and all the bloggers to note that as the liberals have informed the stupid people how they should think.
OK America, get infuriated at Obama staring you down like gangsta in the hood and his media fluff telling you that you are all stupid and can be told in a few days who won by loosing.
Talk about insane liberals.
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suggested that the polls
September 27, 2008 - 15:07 ET by dscottsuggested that the polls would push the country into accepting Obama as the true winner: “Once one side is established as the winner, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy....It is very important, I think, that the first objective analysis -- you know, not from us, but from polls, and I think it's consistent across the networks -- all show Obama winning.”
Here the libs have revealed their true strategy, rig the polls so their preferred candidate wins. This is why reporting of poll results on election day before the polls are closed is unethical. Watch for this to be played over and over again in order to convince the public they should vote for the winning team. This is just another angle on how libs ASSERT the truth (their agenda) when the sum of the facts don't support it. Our job is to convince the public the polls are rigged just as we already convinced the public the MSM is biased and in the tank for Obama.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Future SHOCK , some low level person in, Rush'ies state?.
September 28, 2008 - 01:28 ET by upcountrywater“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”
I'm still ok FDIC is STILL functioning at the moment.
election is like 38 dazzes away?
will fdic last till 2009? FAWK
CLIMATE CRISIS
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He doesn't like Obama...
September 28, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Uncle Don...so what? Neither do I. There's nothing to like. He's dishonest, he's a fake, he dislikes his Country, he doens't care about me (I'm white) and he wants to take what little of my money I get to keep right now. We don't need to all get along with each other and we don't need to pretend we like someone when everything about them disgusts us. So what if he didn't look at Obama, I can hardly look at him without cringing also..as far as being hunched a little, let's put that jerk Matthews in a bamboo cage for 5 years and see if he hunches a little...jackass!