WaPo: 'It Is Now a Two-Person Race Between Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owens With Scozzafava Fading Badly'

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 (New poll update at bottom.)

Chris Cillizza at the Washington Post has written a story in his Morning Fix political news analysis that is sure to cause conniption fits over at the Daily Kos which endorsed "Republican" Dede Scozzafava in the New York 23rd CD race that has now grabbed the attention of the political world. The political news that Cillizza has reported looks great for Conservative Doug Hoffman, bad for Scozzafava, and very depressing for the Daily Kos (and Newt Gingrich):

The Iowa caucuses may be more than two years from now but a series of moves by potential Republican presidential contenders has turned a special election in New York's 23rd district into an early test of conservative bona fides.

In the last week three GOPers with an eye on 2012 -- former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.), Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Alaska governor Sarah Palin -- have weighed in on the race with Tpaw and Palin throwing their support behind Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman and Gingrich endorsing state Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava.

(Polling and conversations with those close to the contest on both sides suggest it is now a two-person race between Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owens with Scozzafava fading badly.)

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Besides Scozzafava another apparent loser in the NY-23 race seems to be Newt Gingrich who sent an e-mail to Cillizza pleading a bit too desperately the reasons for his support for the quickly fading Scozzafava:

Gingrich, for his part, insisted in an e-mail to the Fix that the special election was not -- and should not be interpreted as -- a conservative litmus test, and explained that his endorsement of Scozzafava was entirely about respecting local party leaders.

Gingrich noted that Hoffman had run against Scozzafava for the Republican nomination and lost at a series of county meetings; he warned of the "grave danger of establishing the precedent that every faction can run a third party candidate if they lose a primary or a convention," adding that such a strategy is "the road to re-elect [President] Obama and make [Nancy] Pelosi speaker for life."

Give it up, Newt. When you are on the same side as the far left Daily Kos, you know you have problems. And speaking of the Daily Kos they are currently in the process of playing down the lastest Club For Growth poll showing Hoffman surging into the lead. They are basically saying something like: "Please don't believe that Club For Growth Poll because it has a conservative agenda. You should believe our own outdated poll with a leftwing agenda."

Even the Democrat candidate Bill Owens isn't buying the Daily Kos premise that Hoffman is still far back in the pack as Cillizza noted yesterday:

Need more evidence of Hoffman's relevance? The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, after spending several hundred thousand dollars bashing Scozzafava, switched its ad traffic over the weekend to a new commercial hitting Hoffman.

The ad, which was produced by the firm of former DCCC executive director John Lapp, paints Hoffman as a millionaire who is out of touch with the economic hardships of many in the district. "Millionaire Doug Hoffman has a waterfront island home...even a classic car collection," says the ad's narrator. (Hellooooo class warfare!)

Your humble correspondent will be looking intently at the surest sign over the next few days that the Daily Kos doesn't believe in its own flawed poll if they end up switching their endorsement from Scozzafava, who now appears to have almost no chance to win, to the Democrat in the race.

One thing we can all agree on (with possible exception of Gingrich and the Daily Kos) is Cillizza's final observation yesterday about this campaign:

No matter the outcome, the viability of Hoffman's candidacy makes proves -- yet again -- the unpredictability of electoral politics. Man this stuff is fun.

UPDATE: A new Neighborhood Research poll has just come out showing the following results: Hoffman 34.1%, Democrat Bill Owens 29.2%, and Scozzafava 13.9%, with a ±4.8% margin of error. Among definite voters, it's Hoffman 37.5%, Owens 28.4%, and Scozzafava 13.5%, with a ±5.6% margin of error. Daily Kos switching its endorsement to the Democrat in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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Chairman Crybaby

will be paying close attention to this. Newt made a huge mistake with his endorsement, which will render him irrelevant going forward.

Newt needs

to try atanding on principles for once.

Good Riddance!

Scuzxzy is going to get her liberal RINO butt whipped and Newt is going to be rendered totally irrelevant! He can keep going to the talk shows with his buddy, McCrossTheAisle but as far as the Republican party, he is a "Has Been!"

I'm Originally From New York

I'm originally from New York and in 1970, the Rockefeller Rinos nominated Charles [Get out of Vietnam] Goodel for a full term as Senator after being appointed to fill the seat of RFK.

When the Conservative Party nominated James Buckley, the Republicans when into cardiac arrest. A third party is dangerous to the two party system in merica was the outcry! You know what happened? We elected Buckley because he represented what we believed!

He lost in 1976 to Daniel Moynihan in response to the Nixon fiasco. Since that time, every time the Republicans have run a strong Conservative, they've won! They lose when they become liberal [Can you spell Alphonse D'Amato?]!

Vote Hoffman!

Newt

"explained that his endorsement of Scozzafava was entirely about respecting local party leaders"

 

Now explain sitting on the couch with Pelosi and "climate change" er, "global warming".

Get lost. 

Newt is a

Newt is a carpetbagger. 

The Republican Party has been infiltrated by liberals and the Party leaders are too stupid to notice.

The DOP (Dumb old party) had better wake up soon...

It's all about Palin

This isn't about Newt. It's about Sarah Palin. If Hoffman wins, Palin wins bigger. She is about to get the reputation as a Playmaker. She really had no horse in this race at the beginning; but she clearly recognized who the conservative was. Republicans around the country will begin to worry, I hope, whether they are being watched by Palin, or whether she will by-pass them when it's necessary to do so.

And don't worry about Hoffman voting for any Dim bill that is against conservative principles. He will be on the Republican side -- when Republicans make sense, that is.

__________
"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

There's your problem...

"Gingrich, for his part, insisted in an e-mail to the Fix that the special election was not -- and should not be interpreted as -- a conservative litmus test, and explained that his endorsement of Scozzafava was entirely about respecting local party leaders."

In a party that has given us Scozzafava and Colins and Snow and Specter, etc. respecting party leaders "choice" about who gets to run and who doesn't is part of the problem.

Throw 'da bums out!!!

Before it's too late. 

www.loyaltoliberty.com

...and here are a couple more problems:

Gingrich... warned of the "grave danger of establishing the precedent that every faction can run a third party candidate if they lose a primary or a convention…"

Yikes!  We don’t want any stinking democracy around here!

…adding that such a strategy is "the road to re-elect [President] Obama and make [Nancy] Pelosi speaker for life." 

Which is only slightly worse than re-electing RINOs for life.

- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.

Sadly

Sadly, I think we now have proof that Newt is Republican first, conservative second. 

The GOP's argument that they are the only way to promote conservative principles has been shown false. Since Reagan, we elected Republicans, but when they weren't conservative, the party bombed ... both in actual performance and at the ballot box. 

It's simply stupid to argue that conservatives must accept liberals if we want to advance a conservative agenda. I mean, that's contradictory on the face of it. It either fools conservatives to dilute their conservatism, or it offers a ridiculously obvious deceit to the liberals (why would a liberal want to join the GOP if they're only being used to pad the vote so that conservatives can win?). This is the illogic of political parties. As soon as you look at them closely and ask questions, you discover that they're hollow intellectually.  

The Republican party pushes that argument only because we don't have a different vehicle to oppose it. Now, with the Hoffman success, maybe we have a way to be freed from the slavery to the "moderate" Republican establishment.

Exactly

This so-called republican is exactly like Alen Specter, run as a republican because it's easier to get elected that way, nothing more.  If elected, she'd pull a Specter and switch parties to retain her position if expedient.  (How's that working out for you Arlen....do you enjoy the kiddie table at Thanksgiving?).

Newt's reasoning to "respect local party poltics" is so much hog wash.  John Cornyn and the Senate Republicans endorsed Charlie Crist on the day he announced for the Senate.  I suppose they figured this "highly popular" (well, he was before he hugged Obama) Republican governor could beat all democratic comers.  Guess what?  They're running the nepotic Kendric Meek (hmmm....what happened to Rob Wexler? No journalism happening there with his sudden resignation).

The fine young conservative Marco Rubio is sweeping all of the local straw votes.  Wonder who Newt's backing in this race, hmmmm?

If the RINO's are so in love with Charlie and his chances, pull him out now and run him in two years against the Space Senator, democrat Bill Nelson.

I truly hope Hoffman wins, and sends a huge message to the RINO establishment.   If I wanted a Dem-light candidate, I'd vote democrat.  According to the latest (Pugh?) poll, 40 percent of Americans self-identify as conservatives.  So the idiot Republicans need to quit pandering to us only during elections.  We want conservatives, now.  Not RINO's, and not the lesser of two evils.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

I could care less about the

I could care less about the Obama hug. Crist lost my vote when he cozied up to the trial lawyers and agreed to renew the liability insurance fiasco that finally ended two years ago. Now, once again, we have to pay a fortune for liability insurance AND we're able to get sued after an accident, when the purpose of having the liability insurance was to prevent you from getting sued! Thanks Charlie!

I was merely trying to make the point

....that Crist is not as popular as he once was amongst the non-political freaks like us.  People who are simply Republicans without thinking about it, and vote that way. 

I'm just annoyed that supposed conservatives like Newt and Cornyn are backing RINO's....and worse, DIABLO's.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Newt is not a conservative.

Newt is not a conservative. He is a politician who decided to play on the republican team. As such, everything he does (historically) has to be weighed in that light.

He sometimes does come down on the side of true conservatives, and at other times, he covers his political butt (or tries to).

This is the kind of thing that has almost destroyed our wonderful country. We have "politicians", rather than volunteer citizens as our forefounders intended. And publicly-educated citizens have been dumbed down to the point that they have no clue about what made our country great.

"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt

              

                If you put a label that says beef stew on a can of dog food, it doesn't make it stew. The people aren't looking the other way, any more. We are watching, and listening, to the lies coming out of washington. The reign of democrats & republicans is about to end, hopefully, soon.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

Yep, but it may take a few

Yep, but it may take a few cycles to get back to Constitutional principled governance.

Throw All The Bums Out!

Saw Hoffman on Beck. Seems like a "regular" guy. Did someone say --"Representative government of the people, by the people, for the people"?

 TERM LIMITS!

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Regular Guy

I saw Hoffman on Beck too.  It's interesting how lots of people automatically pre-judge on the good looks, the charm, the outward indicators.  Same with Christie in NJ.  He's overweight so it's seen as a way for Corizine to win. Huh? Hoffman is a regular no frills guy who appears to be geniunely interested in serving the country.  I wonder what would happen if we only used radio to 'listen' to people's views; then only get to see them after they're elected.  Imagine that?  No need for the botox, the hair over the top thing and face lifts. Give me a quiet simple achiever like Hoffman any day. 

 

Gingrich, for his part,

Gingrich, for his part, insisted in an e-mail to the Fix that the special election was not -- and should not be interpreted as -- a conservative litmus test, and explained that his endorsement of Scozzafava was entirely about respecting local party leaders.

    .....hhhmmm    how about respecting conservative values?

  That is the problem with politicians who have been on the inside too long.  They no longer feel the need to represent the voters who send them to Washington but instead they think they owe their allegiance to the system.

Insiders

Right on, Mid-America. I get sick every time I see these Washington clowns acting as though they are in a poker game. Nobody is in it but them. Listen to them---they hardly ever address a problem or its solution directly. All they talk about is getting one up on each other. Washington is their little sandbox, loaded with our money as their toys with which to play. Like parents with spoiled kids, real Americans are nothing but economic slaves to these children. Hoffman says he just got "fed up" with them and decided to run for Congress. I hope he wins.

TERM LIMITS!

(P.S. I'm down here in the Orlando area--Alan Grayson territory. Man, this guy is a real sicko!)

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

At great risk of polluting up the thread.

  Matt Latimer wrote on Powerline and made some good points. 

The editors of Power Line graciously have given me this opportunity to discuss my book, SPEECH*LESS: Tales of a White House Survivor. I am deeply appreciative, but I hope you'll bear with me while I discuss a little bit of breaking news - news which, unfortunately, makes my book an even more urgent read than it might have been before.

For several years, Republican elites in the Bush White House urged conservatives like Vice President Dick Cheney to refrain from engaging the media (while they generously leaked to the press against people like ... well, Dick Cheney.) Now elements from this same group - led by Ed Gillespie and other former Karl Rove operatives - are telling talk-radio hosts, tea party attendees and other activists to shut up too.

The strategists and pundits at the top of the GOP and their allies in the media think they have figured out the problem with the lowly state of their party. It's the conservatives' fault. They are worried, as Politico recently reported, "that the party's chances for reversing its electoral routs of 2006 and 2008 are being wounded by the flamboyant rhetoric and angry tone of conservative activists and media personalities." (Did you ever notice that "angry" is a word the media loves to apply to conservatives - we are always scowling or furious, "the angry white male.")

At first I couldn't imagine what conservatives could be so "angry" about. Maybe it's because their leaders ignored them for years and then sent the Republican Party into an identity crisis so severe that it made Michael Jackson look well adjusted. Yes, I suppose that might cause a slight rise in agitation levels. Or perhaps it's these same leaders telling conservatives on whose votes they've depended to drop dead for good measure. Yes, I suppose that, too, might cause conservatives to be a tad peeved.

So now we are supposed to GAG RUSH, BECK, SAVAGE AND LAURA AND hide THEM in a corner somewhere while the "pragmatists" guide us to victory. Maybe it's just me, but I think I'll pass on taking advice from the group that guided President Bush to a 22 percent approval rating and aided the rise of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama.

But alas, even our beloved National Review, under the leadership of Gillespie friend Rich Lowry, has joined in. The magazine that was formerly the standard-bearer of the conservative movement recently published an article expressing admiration for a gubernatorial candidate who was "soft pedaling" his conservative beliefs. I never thought I'd see the day that National Review applauded a "non-ideological campaign." As a longtime friend of William F. Buckley recently told me, "Republicans win when they are conservatives. And Democrats win when they are conservatives." That, he assured me, was all the political advice one needs.

You may have missed it, but I received a generous share of harrumphing from Republican elites over my recent book, SPEECH*LESS: Tales of a White House Survivor. And wouldn't you know it, the harrumphs came from the very same people who want conservatives to take the proverbial long walk off a short pier.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't mind the harrumphing when my book came out. It helped make SPEECH*LESS a New York Times bestseller (for which I'm understandably grateful). Although these critics guised their fulminating against me by claiming they were defending President George W. Bush - who comes out just fine in the book's pages, by the way - what these folks really didn't like was the fact that I exposed what they did to the conservative movement. I also named names. (Understandably, those named didn't like that very much at all.)

Well, the reasons for writing my book, I'm sorry to say, are piling up with every passing day. For the same people who I watched turn the Bush administration into incomprehensible political mush - reversing its positions on climate change, immigration, overtures to Iran and Korea, and even coming out in favor of a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq (except don't call it a "timetable") - are still holding onto the party's car keys, waiting to put their driving glasses back so they can motor us off another electoral cliff. This is why prominent conservatives from Ann Coulter to Stephen Hayes to Laura Ingraham to Jed Babbin of Human Events and many others have commented favorably on my book. It is our roadmap to a post-Bush conservative resurgence.

The Republican elites have their own road map, of course, the same one that detoured us over that cliff a few years back. Their plan goes roughly like this. Vote for Charlie Crist in Florida over conservative Mario Rubio. Unseat the conservative governor in Texas in favor of someone more moderate like Kay Bailey Hutchison. Raise money and campaign for a Congressional candidate in New York State who is more liberal than the Democrat in the race.

Let John "the media is my base" McCain redefine the Republican Party in his image (how many electoral votes did he win again, against a relative novice?). Oh, and turn the other way while Senator Lindsey Graham, who told us he was "Mr. Conservative" to get elected, works on a climate change bill with John Kerry (D-France). We need to do these things, our strategists tell us, in order to win an election. Then once we're back in power, we'll be conservatives again, they promise. Where have we heard that before?

The Republican Party may indeed be making some gains against the Obama Democrats, but that's not because we suddenly became geniuses. And it's not because we are hiding our conservative lights under bushels. If we are pulling ahead it's because the Democrats are in charge now, and their failings - currently at least - are more pronounced than our own.

Counting on the other side to fail is not a recipe for a long-term victory. And sacrificing principles for percentages and votes is what got conservatives into our current mess in the first place. How are voters supposed to understand what the Republican Party represents when we don't understand it ourselves? (Perhaps that's why the number of those identifying with the party is at its lowest point EVER.)

Which brings me back to my book. For more than a decade as a young conservative, I worked my way up the rungs of power of Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, and the Bush White House. And I chronicled that time for other conservatives to see. I watched as the Republican Party forgot what it stood for - and lost control of Congress, the White House, as well as the support of the public. And I saw good conservatives constantly pushed aside in favor of power-hungry strategists or media-friendly "mavericks" who could never win the war for conservative ideas because they either didn't believe in them or didn't understand them.

Ever wonder why conservatives on Capitol Hill failed time and again to pass landmark legislation - on Social Security reform, for example - even when we had a Congressional majority? And yet we passed McCain-Feingold in a Republican Congress? In fact as my book recounts, conservatives never really had a majority in the party. A merry band of heroes - the Mitch McConnells, Jon Kyls, Tom Coburns, Jeff Sessionses, Jim DeMints and John Cornyns -- routinely were outnumbered by what the media considers principled Republicans - principled whenever they stood against conservatives. Then there were others who let power and privilege get the best of them - like one U.S. Senator who had staff members carry her purse around Capitol Hill.

Equally troubling was the endless inability by Republicans to seize communications opportunities - even on small, but delightful matters such as when one Democrat Chuck Schumer admitted talking to an imaginary family he invented to decide how to craft legislation or when Majority Leader Harry Reid revealed his contempt for voters by commenting on their smell when they toured Capitol Hill.

As a member of the Bush administration, I saw firsthand how the Secretary of Defense confronted a Pentagon communications bureaucracy that through inertia or well-intentioned foolishness failed to articulate most of the administration's priorities in the war on terror. I detail a bizarre plan to have Secretary Rumsfeld claim that WMD were found in Iraq - an idea that Rumsfeld knew nothing about but which still made its way to the White House. And I talk about a media world where leakers like Condi Rice and Colin Powell helped demonize those who didn't leak, like Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. People forget these days that Cheney and Rumsfeld, though traditional conservatives, were once widely-admired senior statesmen who received bipartisan acclaim. That was before BushWorld got hold of them.

And at the Bush White House itself, I recount an administration that drifted away from conservative principles by handing the reins over to "pragmatists" and strategists instead of people who believed in communicating concepts and ideals. President Bush was an honorable man - smart, funny, dogged, sometimes overly blunt - who accomplished much. But it does not diminish those achievements to acknowledge where the administration departed from the conservative path.

I believed readers were entitled to know, for example, that the administration planned to come out for a cap-and-trade plan on global warming until conservatives caught wind of it and stopped it at the last minute. That we ended up supporting a tax increase. That we turned the struggle against tyranny into something more "popular" like the fight against diseases such as river blindness in Botswana.

And conservatives should know as well what President Bush meant when he dismissed the Buckley-Reagan conservative movement as a relic of the past. "I redefined the Republican Party," he told me. For conservatives wondering what happened in the final years of the Bush administration that explains a lot. The record of overspending, government bailouts and reversals on key foreign policy issues crippled us in the campaign against the Obama Democrats. It's a lesson worth remembering as we look to people promising to carry the conservative banner forward in 2012.

Ever since I was a kid growing up in Michigan, the conservative son of liberal parents, I dreamed of going to Washington to advance the principles I believed in. As I left in my old maroon Dodge Dynasty, my parents looking at me wistfully, like I was Anakin Skywalker going off to join the Dark Side.

Throughout my time as a conservative in DC, I had one wonderful, frustrating, fascinating, sometimes wacky ride. I made many mistakes, but I learned some important things along the way - things that I hope other idealistic conservatives might benefit from. One conservative radio host recently summed SPEECH-LESS up as follows: "It is the saddest and the funniest book I've ever read about Washington, D.C." That, of course, was a wonderful compliment, one that sums up my view of our nation's capital - the saddest, but funniest, place in the world.

It's time for conservatives to see what has happened there, so we can get to the work of fixing it.

 Ace of Spades (the top listed blog over on the side) piped in too.

This is a bad decision by the RNCC. In order to "win" one seat out of 435 (and what does winning mean in this context?), they're alienating the foot-soldiers and voters and donors in the other 434 districts.

They're spending $300,000 more to prop up Scozzoflava -- and a lot of donors, I imagine, are rather angry their money is being so used for a purpose never intended.
 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Great link, JWF

Attention KC....I think we've identified another book for your reading list.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Good Post

Kerry (D-France)

LOL!

"And I talk about a media world where leakers like Condi Rice and Colin Powell helped demonize those who didn't leak, like Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney."

What did Rice leak?

maybe, just maybe

If Hoffman ends up winning, one or two people here might rethink the GOP brainwashing that third parties are a wasted vote.

Hear, hear. The death of

Hear, hear. The death of that idea is long overdue. 

-----

Random-jumbled-thoughts.blogspot.com

What if. What if. What if.

  What if Sarah "Going Rogue" Palin were to start a new party called wait for it.... wait.... wait.... the Conservative Party.

   Sign me up Candance. Oh sorry about pushing you out of the way in my eagerness. Allow me, ladies first.

  Seriously, I hope that is what she is aiming for. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I dont know,

I am torn, I would like to see Conservatives take back the GOP like Reagan did. Doesnt really matter what you call it, if you dont culture it, they will still come and contaminate it.

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Re third party

I'm all for third party candidates as long as it's the hard way, from the ground up in House and Senate races. Another way to do it is to challenge RINOs in primaries. A third party conservative in a Presidential race will only deliver another win to the Bamster and destroy our country for good.

The Scozzafava disaster is an outlier; it happened because of the special election rules which did not require a primary. That loophole in the democratic process should be fixed.

I'm surprised more folks

I'm surprised more folks aren't for third parties, especially with their long, well-known history of success at winning election after election.

/sarc

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Like it or not though, for all intents and purposes, third parties ARE a wasted vote....especially on a national scale.

so we'll mark you down

as voting "no" for Hoffman.

Have fun complaining about the establishment at your next TEA party.

Newt

Why am I not surprised that Newt backed the liberal GOP candidate. Newt has been trying to break back into politics almost since he left it. I continue to get phone calls, email and direct mailing soliciations from one of his so-called "grass roots" organizations. Newt dropped his candy in the sand with me years ago and I would not trust him as far as I could throw his rather sizeable fat azz. Newt is an opportunists, the likes of Colin Powell and others who will rub shoulders with every scumbag on the planet so they can share in the spotlight even if just for a minute. Now he is backpeddling and trying to make himself look as if he is supporting the local GOP leaders. As others have already stated, "how about supporting the conservative" instead of going for the moderate, middle of the road track. That tactic has not proven to be very successful and the GOP make up is proof of this. The RNC and GOP is full of liberal, country club Repubs who throw us under the bus at every chance. Newt, like the Clintons is like jock itch. When the hell are they going to go away? No one cares what they have to say anymore. Their bus has left the station and they are the only ones who don't know it or won't admit it.

Newt Gingrich

When are the GOP going to get our message that we want conservatism, not socialism?    We will vote them out of office if they continue their Dem values.  I only hope they read this site to get the true feelings of Mid-Americans.  We are conservative, not moderate nor left-leaning.   Get the message PLEASE!!!!

Well said, Doug

And I loved some of your more colorful metaphors!

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Run, Douglas, run! (And

Run, Douglas, run!

(And might I add that Dede Scozzafava has a perfect face for radio campaigning.) 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

CAUTION

I hope Hoffmann wins and wins big, but the time to gloat is AFTER THE ELECTION, not now. 

There's nothing for certain except ballots cast and counted.  The sponsors of the new polling are conservative organizations.  All of us here have poo-pooed polls funded by liberal groups. 

Poor Newt.

Newt has never learned the lesson that <b>you do not do business with the enemy.</b>  He has great ideas and a grip on the onrush of history, very unusual in Washington, but as a solidure he always mistakes quicksand for a fox hole.  When he became Speaker he shook hands with Bill Clinton and let the RINOs assume GOP positions of power.  One of those RINOs, Nancy Johnson as ethics committee Chairperson entertained 86 false charges against Speaker Gingrich and completely destroyed his carreer. He could serve in a cabinet but never be President.   

She's not a RINO, she's a WISC

A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing. A mole. A spy. A spoiler. Somebody who wants to make sure the people's choice is between liberal and liberaler. A t**d in the punchbowl. And a sloppy-looking slug to boot. So let's boot her (Ha!).

Don't do us no scuzzy favors!

Go away, little WISC. (Wolf In Sheep's Clothing).

Dede should Secede

Dede (and the GOP "leaders") should Secede and support the Conservative Party candidate.   

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Is this election is beyond, nose pinching, if the demo, wins

Then Newt is correct.

Man oh man the polls look GREAT...

However, the Republicans and the Independents need  70% to win.

The classic splitting the vote shall take place here.

We know there will be a 30-40% democrat vote.

(wierd math the poll...Why do the 3 totals = 79%)?

It's past time to jump the RINO republican ship and vote for a conservative, a true political science experiment.

Win Hoffman, win!

Re 79%

That's one of the problems with every NY-23 poll that I have seen, there's still a 20%+ of 'undecideds'. No doubt it is a confusing race, how often have Kos and Newt endorsed the same candidate?

There is always

that 10 - 20% of "undecided" in every poll, elections, contest, etc. You name it. I seem to always manage to get in line behind these same mamby pamby "Oh, I can't decide" A-holes in the fast food eateries or check out counters. Many times the choice is so ridiculously easy like "do you want to be cut in half with a chainsaw or get a free lifetime membership to the Country Club of your choice" and they still can't make up their frapping minds. They usually end up going with the one leading just so they can say their candidate won, and then go around bragging about it and how "moderates" like them saved the day once again.