Bill Maher Calls Joe the Plumber a Liar

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Add Bill Maher to the long liberal list of media members and celebrities who have hopped on the bandwagon of smearing Joe the Plumber aka Joe Wurzelbacher. In the case of Maher, this is quite an ironic charge given that Maher admitted he lied to get people to appear in his movie bomb, "Religulous." Maher made his slams against Joe the Plumber while on appearing on the Larry King show last night. Here is the transcript (emphasis mine):

KING: All right. What do you make of this whole "Joe the Plumber?"

An Ohio plumber had an off-the-cuff chat with Obama about tax policies. "Joe the Plumber" got mentioned -- in fact, we have -- this will give us a kick out of this -- we got a blog from Michelle, who blogs: "Bill, isn't it funny that "Joe the Plumber" has already done more interviews than Sarah Palin?"

MAHER: I did that joke today.

(LAUGHTER)

MAHER: We do our -- the bloggers are beating me to my monologue. Oh, that's not a good sign. We do a rehearsal on Thursday for our show tomorrow. I just did that joke.

KING: (INAUDIBLE).

MAHER: I think it worked better for her.

I think it's great that McCain has chosen this guy to be the exemplar of middle America, because, to me, "Joe the Plumber" proves exactly what I've been saying -- and many people have been saying for so long about the Republican Party in the modern era -- they take advantage. They prey on people like "Joe the Plumber," who don't really understand the issues. He finally admitted, I think, today that, yes, Obama's plan -- tax plan would actually benefit him more.

But you see "Joe the Plumber," who, by the way, isn't really a plumber...

KING: He's not a plumber?

MAHER: He's kind of Joe the liar. Well, he doesn't have a plumbing license. You know...

KING: So how does he plumb?

MAHER: Exactly. And he's -- see, he's like so many -- this is what the Republicans do. They prey on people who have a dream -- and we're all for dreams. I'm not against dreams. The American dream, terrific. But sometimes it's just a fantasy.

And Joe thinks, apparently, he's going to take over his boss' business and make more than $250,000 a year. So really what we're talking about is someone who would benefit from the plan that Obama has on the table, but doesn't want to vote for Obama, for whatever reason. He might think he may be an Arab or a communist or, you know, maybe he's black. "Joe the Plumber" did compare him to Sammy Davis, Jr. tap dancing today.

KING: He did?

MAHER: Yes. He said he tap danced on the answer to taxes like Sammy Davis, Jr. -- you're kind of tipping your Mitt there, "Joe the Plumber".

But, you know, Obama is for people who live in reality, who actually need money and a tax break now. He's living in the Republican fantasy world, where he's going to become rich and he's going to have over $250,000 and then he might have to pay some more taxes, Larry. And we can't have that in America, because we only two have two wars going, the economy is melting, we're $11 trillion in debt.

You know, at some point, somebody is going to have to pay the taxes. Neither one of the candidates was very forthcoming about that last night.

Apparently Maher missed the real controversy over the encounter between Barack Obama and Joe the Plumber. It wasn't what Joe asked as it was about Obama claiming that we needed to spread the wealth. So now liberals like Maher are enraged at Joe for causing Obama to be too honest about his redistributionist self.

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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The liar in chief, Maher.........

accuses someone else of lying???  Oh, thats rich......He and Larry Kings still alive, deserve each other.  There isnt a word derogatory enough, or vile enough for me to describe the absolute disgust I feel for Maher. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Imagine that

Imagine that.  Bill Maharijuana, an insulting scab on the face of decency, goes to meet his maker:    

"Hi Bill" 

"Wow..St Peter?" 

"You betcha... keep going Bill" 

Barak 0bama - Afraction American

Obama bitched and moaned

that McCain hadn't brought up the subjects of ACORN, Ayers et. al to his face.

Well I'd like to see this big-mouthed midget (and ****ing punk) Maher tell Joe Wurzelbacher that he's a Liar to his  face!

C'mon Billy. Put Up or STFU!

John McCain did!

 

If it can happen to Joe it can happen to any of us.

I am linking my post
Joe Public meet your neighbor Joe Plumber

http://www.jeremiahf...

to this article. We need more people like Joe who have dreams to be able to retire without needing a government check. The MSM should not be in the business to rip down people's dreams.

They may want to be careful

They may want to be careful insulting and smearing Joe because unlike the celebs and politicians these hacks smear on a weekly basis, Joe is not a public figure. He was thrust in the spotlight just for daring to question "The One". So he could bring a liable or slander suit against one of these hacks and make it stick. He may make his 250,000 easier than they think.

Hey Apache.... Good

Hey Apache....

Good thought...you are so right.

I noticed tonight the dems politicos are backing down and saying this smearing isn't right...but....but ...but...

Well, they see the outrage from the people out here of how this man is being treated, they do not want the attention given to him this close to the election, why he is just one of all of us out here...they are scared...they may of wanted to warn their Leader the ONE to shut-up and not show the arrogance he did with his words at a rally, let alone Biden....

Big mistake, they know it..now they are trying to hurriedly tamp this down and off the 24/7 cable shows....

Please...don't let this go away..but it will, the msm is behind their plans as we all know.

One mistake...we shall not forget!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

and don't you love the

and don't you love the Amazing Carnac Maher who knows that Joe doesn't want to vote for Obama, for whatever reason. He might think
he may be an Arab or a communist or, you know, maybe he's black.

Whatever anyone's reason to not vote for Obama is just a cover for racism.

BTW isn't it time Larry King retired?  He's already dead, after all....

BT & NB

You are right.

Now, with 18 days to go before the big E-Day, let us review, in reverse chronology, all the damage the MSM has *tried* to terminally inflict on the GOP ticket, as well as some other factors:

 

  • Report shows entertainment media make fun of GOP more than Dems 7 to 1
  • MSM attacks and tries to completely discredit Joe the Plumber
  • MSM stays mum on ACORN
  • MSM inflates and plasters positive Dem poll numbers daily
  • MSM declares Dems victorious in all 4 debates
  • McCain and Palin make some mistakes with bad choices (interviews and postponing the campaign)
  • Economic near-disaster hits the country, MSM mostly echoes Dems talking points that current administration/GOP are to blame
  • MSM goes silent when GOP takes poll lead in September
  • MSM attacks and tries to completely discredit VP Sarah Palin

 

And still..... STILL.... after this avalanche of elements and circumstances against McCain/Palin, they're only down 5-6 points in overall polls!!

 

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Hey MrS... You summed

Hey MrS...

You summed that up rather tidy...

I can think of a couple of others, but I like you chronicle just fine...the rest would muddy up a simple chronology for all to follow.

...and I am sure others would think of some add-ons too.

You got the main base covered, that is all that counts to me.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Shy...The MSM is Scared!!!

Just look at the story lines....

I see FEAR in the eyes of Crissy, Olby, MooCow, et. all!!

The PRESS has internal polls...4-6 points is not enough.

They know it!!!  LOL!!!

Ster.

Ster,

I think the condescending treatment of Joe by the MSM is going to blow up in their ivy-leagued faces in a big way, and that right soon.  :-)

I don't think the MSM truly understands just how far the disconnect has become between them and the average Amurrican.

And, you are right. They are scared sh*tless.

As well they should be.

-Dave

Dave, Shy, Bt...I am a NEWS JUNKIE!!! Help!

I find most TV shows LACKING.  I do like Heroes, Chuck, and American Chopper.  Other than that...I listen to Rush, Hannity on my MP3.  I listen to XM radio FOX/Talk channels at WORK.  I come home...watch O'Reilly, Hardball, Olby, H&C.

That combined is over 12 HOURS A DAY!!!

Then I'm here VENTING here on NB!!

Is there something WRONG with me???

I need a hobby. Any suggestions???  ANYONE??

Ster.

Ster

May I suggest starting up a Coffee business. Ster the Coffee Guy? Has a nice ring to it....

No wait, Ster + coffee, might be too much. :p

I tease. :) 

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Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

Ster never Shake

Martini dealer, but if you realy watch Oberdud and ChissyMatt, therapy might actualy be more constructive, least in the short term.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Thanx guys!!!

And now...for something Completely Different!!

Ster.

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Ster,

LOL-If you are ever in need of some serious "quiet time," just go check out my blog.

Might just put you to sleep.  :-)

-Dave

Thanks Dave!!!

I want to set up my own web page/ blog for the experience and to learn how to be web master.  Seriously!!!

If you got any Tips or Tools I can use ...PLEASE help me out!!!

Site looks Great!!

So...where do I start!!

Ster.

Try this Ster

http://www.blogger.c...

Start here, pretty easy. just takes time. Lots of it : ]

 

 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Nah Ster you're normal,

Nah Ster you're normal, just need to calm down some at times...lol!

...although, yesterday/last night I was very angry too...

We all get that way now and then...the msm did it for me, but then again I knew they would before the election, who knew what vehicle, but Joe did if for me.

NBs is priceless for all to vent.

we just all need to march to the booth and vote on the 4th and stick it to the msm if anything, let alone getting congress-critters with an 'R' after their name elected, reelected.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT

Yeah, NB really is a Godsend to me. I stumbled onto this site almost two years ago, when I was already seething at the treatment Bush was getting from pretty much everywhere, and did some search and found this.

I was telling all of you to keep your chin up last week, when we were at a low point, and I really think things are lining up pretty good to somehow pull this off on Nov. 4th.

Again, most importantly is, the polls are bull***t and we've always known this, and if Obama was really in any sort of control and the MSM was so all-powerful as they wish they were, he's be up 20-25 points by now! That makes me confident that large sections of our population, including many undecideds, aren't swallowing their crap. 

 

NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun

 

Ster, take up Boortz, too.

LOL-At least he will lend some balance.

And as far as TV goes, I only watch sports and the Food Network.

I can't even watch BOR and H&C anymore!

And yeah, American Chopper is pretty cool. Hell, at least they still "get it."

-Dave

Maher

Joe the Plumber is a liar? And Maher isn't? (sputter)

There's a tape out there somewhere when Maher was on a game show. Pictionary, I think. He was leaning over the shoulder of another contestant. The guy made an expansive, sudden gesture and smacked Maher right in the nose. Knocked him on his rear end.

I wouldn't mind watching that tape a few hundred times more, but I wouldn't have any idea of how to find it.

Ask and you shall receive

oldreporter.

"Officer Ponchorello" serves the dwarf an accidental Punchorello @ about 3:00 minutes into the clip.

Comedy Gold!

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.c...

 

Great minds etc....

;-}

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Tip

Of The Hat To You Too HK! LOL!

That was classic!!!!!

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Maher is such a wimp*ssy!

Geez, Estrada barely made contact, and Maher falls to the floor! No blood, yet he's holding a cloth over his nose like it's gushing.

What a candy-a$$!

 

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use." - Galileo Galilei

Here it is oldreporter

You asked for it.

GO PONCH!!!!

Enjoy.

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Liberal Traitors

Can there possibly be enough rope to hang these liberal traitors after our country goes into a decline if Obama is elected? This twenty four hour a day liberal propaganda that is broadcast into the homes of the ignorant is nothing less than treason.

Uh...Ohhh...Can Maher Make fun of This?

I bet what's left of my 401k he doesn't!!!

Ster.

Farrakhan Says 'New Beginning' For Nation of Islam

CHICAGO (AP) ― The Nation of Islam, a secretive movement generally closed to outsiders, has planned a rare open-to-the public event at its Chicago-based headquarters in what the Minister Louis Farrakhan deemed a "new beginning" for the group.

Hundreds of religious leaders of different faiths have been invited to the event planned for Sunday, a rededication of the group's historic Mosque Maryam on the city's South Side. Farrakhan is scheduled to speak.

"We have restored Mosque Maryam completely, and we will dedicate it to the universal message of Islam, and the universal aspect of the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad," Farrakhan said in an invitation letter. "It represents for the Nation of Islam, a new beginning."

The event comes just weeks after the death of Imam W.D. Mohammed, the son of Nation founder Elijah Muhammad who broke with the group and moved thousands of African-Americans toward mainstream Islam.

The Nation purchased the mosque, a former Greek Orthodox church, in 1972 and has since been making renovations. The stately 1948 structure, embellished with a golden dome and topped with an Islamic crescent moon, is adorned with Quranic verses in Arabic.

Experts say opening the mosque's doors to the public is a calculated move.

"It is a very conscious effort to open the mosque up to the community and to rededicate the community to learning about Islam," said Aminah McCloud, a professor of Islamic studies at DePaul University. "Previously, the Nation has been open to people coming to visit it, but its members don't generally go anywhere else ... now there is a concerted effort."

While the Nation has espoused black nationalism and self-reliance since it was founded in the 1930s, in recent years members have reached out to other groups. For instance, the Nation has a Latino liaison and has become involved in immigrant rights rallies and marches. Also, the Minister Ishmael Muhammad, a top assisting minister at the mosque and widely thought to be a potential successor to Farrakhan, has talked about unity between all people, at times speaking in Spanish.

Farrakhan, 75, has haltingly tried to move the Nation toward traditional Islam, which considers the American movement heretical because of its view of Elijah Muhammad as a prophet -- among other novel teachings. Orthodox Islam teaches that there has been no prophet after Prophet Muhammad in the seventh century.

He's also played down some of the group's more controversial beliefs. The Nation of Islam has taught that whites are descended from the devil and that blacks are the chosen people of Allah.

The event on Sunday also wraps up a week of events marking the 13th anniversary of the Million Man March, which Farrakhan began in 1995. That year, hundreds of thousands of people traveled to Washington, D.C. to participate.

On Thursday, Farrakhan spoke to inmates at Cook County jail urging self improvement, atonement and reconciliation, principles the Million Man March promoted.

Those values "can help reduce violence and anti-social behavior ... and have universal significance and will benefit those willing to listen," according to a statement from the Nation.

Farrakhan's Sunday speech will mark his second major public address this year and is among several smaller community and religious events he has attended.

His public appearances have surprised many since in 2006, he seceded leadership to an executive board while recuperating from serious complications from prostate cancer.

In February, Farrakhan appeared at an annual Saviours' Day event in Chicago and called Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S. will change for the better. The Obama campaign quickly denounced Farrakhan's support, because of past comments about Jews that many have called offensive.

In the past months, Farrakhan has attended funeral services of W.D. Mohammed and Jabir Herbert Muhammad, both sons of the late Elijah Muhammad.

 

Maher is and always has been

Maher is and always has been a coward.  He can sit if front of his microphone and feel safe spouting off all kinds of nonsense.  Joe wouldn't kick his ass, because Maher is just pathetic, pitiful really.  No victory in kicking his ass.   Other that that, he's not worth anything.

...Just a perfect

...Just a perfect ass.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Well I donno CR

  No victory in kicking his ass.   Other that that, he's not worth anything.

 I would like to take his Microphone, and then return it in my own "special" way!!

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

This is insane.

There are times when I truly believe that reality has fractured and I've fallen down the rabbit hole. No, they are not acid flashbacks and unlike Bill, I can  pass a drug test. :-} It is due to the fact that events like Bill and Larry talkling this pure jibberish actually took place. If the nonsequential rantings of those two imbeciles is what passes for intelligent banter these days, then we are all doomed. 

Another "has the world gone insane" provoking event that is happenning right before our eyes is this; The manufactured opinion outlets are attacking Joe the Plumber's name. I'm sure you've seen the post's here on NB and I'm sure you've heard the attacks, so there is no need to rehash it. However, is that not the most idiotic, insane an irrelevant smear campaign to have ever taken place? The simply fact that they attack his name leaves me for a loss. I thought that I had become inured to their incompetence, yet this latest scenario has proven me wrong. I am once again forced to wonder through which side of the looking glass I am viewing the world.

I think I'll go read Atlas Shrugged again. Maybe it's time to find Galt's Gulch.     

 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

reality has fractured

Hey HillbillyKing, what's wrong with pointing out that Joe the Plumber isn't who he purports to be?

Facts:  He's not a licensed plumber, he makes around $40,000 per year and he can't afford to buy his boss's business.  His boss claims his company earns much, much less than $250,000 and the business isn't even for sale.

It was inevitable that Joe the Plumber would be investigated by the media, as has been the case in the past with every Average Joe American both Republican and Democratic candidate trotted out in order to score political points.John McCain made Joe the issue by invoking his name 15 or 20 times during the debate.  McCain would have done Joe a favor if in fact he had vetted the guy prior to making him famous.

By the way, I'm not exactly sure of those facts about Joe that I recited above, but that's what I have gleaned from news reports.  Normally I would fact check, or vet myself, but I'm too lazy in this case - just as the McCain Campaign was too lazy to vett the guy themselves.

Last but not least, if your going to come up with an example of the insanity of the media you sure as heck should come up with a better example than this.   You remember who Galt was and quote Don Marquis for gosh sakes (whoever that is, but I love the quote nonetheless).

Sniff, sniff. Peeeeeuuuuuuwwww! I smell a troll.

-Dave

My apologies, Dave.

For hijacking your reply area for my response to 007. :-}

Moneypenny's Mimeographer,

First, welcome to NewsBusters. My, what an entrance. Secondly, thanks for liking my tagline. Here's where to learn more on Don Marquis. Now on to your points.

The precise thing that is WRONG with what the media is doing to Joe the Plumber is this; They are not addressing the question he posed to Barry. The manufactured opinion outlets are assassinating Joe's character in an attempt to portray their effort's as a rebuttal to his posed question about taxes. Notice how any mention of a rebuttal to Joe's concerns about Barry's tax plan are made long after the inane and utterly stupid opinions are presented on Joe's life. Joe's current employment, his tax issues, etc are totally IRRELEVANT to the fact that the issue is Barry's response to Joe's question. Not Joe's life, Barry's response to the question. Again, not Joe, but Barry's response. That is the issue at hand. 

You claim it was inevitable that the media go after him that way. That is exactly why I feel reality has fractured. The current culture of media sladerization of people disgusts me. I habor complete ill will towards those that refuse to confront ideas an instead choose to discredit people as a means of rebuttal. This is intellectual thuggery. Only the intellectually weak resort to this.

McCain vetting him? Come on. 

I suggest that here at NB, you check your facts if you want to be taken seriously. There are some here who love a well grounded, well thought out POV, whether it is different from their's or not. I happen to be one of them. Support your thoughts with reasoning and you'll be surprised at the response.

As for my example, well I normally would say think about it. But, since your new, I'll help you out a little. Insinuating that he is a fraud because he goes by a shortened version of his middle name? Insinuating that he is a fraud because "Joe" isn't even his "real" name? Insinuating he is a fraud because his full name is Samuel Joseph  Wurzelbacher? Insinuating he is a fraud because he is registered to vote by his full name? I can go on an on. The point is, when the media decries ANY mention of Barry's middle name, Hussein, and yet IMMEDIATELY uses Joe's name in an effort to slander and discredit him, well we have our latest and greatest dumbf@ck MOO moment. This causes me concern for the fact that to me, only a crazy person,(and yes I mean the mentally ill variety), would consider someone's name to be a means of rebuttal. I felt this about the absurd claims about Barry's middle name and I feel just as strongly about it in this case. What logical, reasoning person insists that because someone is called by the shorthand version of their middle name they are therefore fraudulent? Yet, this is the way the vast majority of MOO's lead off their hit pieces against Joe. 

Normally the MOO's attempts at propaganda are somewhat more convoluted, yet possess a degree of rational thought. With the name angle, I see none. I see a delusional thought process at work. However, I would welcome any suggestions you may have at what would be a better example.  

Read Atlas Shrugged again, I highly recommend it. Hell, just hit the highlights

Welcome aboard 007memo,

HBK

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Troll.... James Troll.....

"what's wrong with pointing out that Joe the Plumber isn't who he purports to be?"

No, first you should ask, what's wrong with someone -- anyone -- asking Obama a really good question (btw, small business's pull in over $250 per year a lot) about his tax plan?

Then, when you hear how scary his answer is, you and any sane person shouldn't give two sh*ts about the background of some guy off the street who asked it.

But alas, you and so many Obama-water carriers have your own twisted priorities in all of this.

 

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But alas, you and so many

But alas, you and so many Obama-water carriers have your own twisted priorities in all of this.

Not to mention their holed buckets.

- Sorry. 

-Dave

Dave!! Sending you a PM!!

Look for it!!

Ster.

I got Dibbs on this Dave!!!!

Hmmmm....

ummm...uhhhh...007memo...couldn't make it to the Junior Varsity Spy class Huh??  You didn't fill out the paper work correctly...Try to spice up "food server" with "Putin's Tea Boy".

Sorry memo, I just read your "talking points" off KOS and Huff Post.

We don't do "cut and paste" trolls here.

If you got anything else though, I'll be here ALL night!!!

My name is Ster, The Ster.

 

Googled “troll” cause I

Googled “troll” cause I wasn't sure what it was.

 

“What Is A Troll?  The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.”

 

Yeehaw!!!  So, you think I “intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group”.  I thought I was making a pretty obvious, harmless, and innocuous point. You guys sure are “passionate” about your opinions.

 

This was my first post to Newsbusters.  I’ve never really post counterpoints on any blogs.  The result here was similar to my first comment ever on any website, which just so happens to have been on Huffpo. 

 

The blogger was so incensed by my comment she felt it necessary to responded to my comment personally.  She called me sexist for questioning her asinine premise… and now you guys call me a liberal troll.   I guess wing nuts are wing nuts no matter what the stripe.

 

Ster:  I gotta admit the “007memo” name is pretty lame, it’s a long story.  It’s a name “full of… signifying nothing.”  As far as going any further on this subject, it’s a pretty lame discussion anyway.  I don’t feel nearly so “passionate” about it.

 

And, Bigtimer:  “Such arrogance” you accuse?  You use the name “Bigtimer”???  You go on and on about how you’re a captain of industry???  Now that is arrogance!

 

I started my own business as well, but I’m not quite so full of myself.  But I digress.

007

I'm sorry about my part in the needling. Welcome to Newsbusters. It is not your fault, but sometimes there are some extremely liberal posters that come on here and post and run and many posters or very weary of that.

I'm not sure about some members, but the moderators on this site welcome different POV and to me that is very hard to find on either side of the aisle

You might want to tread lightly for a little while until you get to know all the players and that is my .02 cents. Have a good night.

 

Real life video games are cool

007, I'll give you a 2nd chance.

Just make a valid argument...I don't have to agree with you!!!

I love a great debate...but if someone just comes in here, throws talking points out I already read before on a LIB site...Why should you deserve my time?? 

Memo...that's why I came down on you.  Nothing personal.

I'm REALLY good at pwning Trolls.  I love it.

OK??

What do you got?

Ster.

Ok...Memo..Will you stay a bit??

My definition of Troll is...throw crap out...no backup...then LEAVE!!!

How long have you been gone??

Then we shall Debate.

This is a test.

Ster.

Stay a bit

Sorry, I had to go to bed.   Now I have to go to work.  I'll try later.

Hey CLOWN....we dont put up with...

hit and run trolls.....especially ones who talk out their @SS, and DONT BACK UP THEIR POINTS,,,,,,,throw insults MORON all you want.  But the point stands.....If an average "Joe" cant ask a question of the messiah without being PERSONALLY destroyed by the MSM.... for DARING TO QUESTION "THE CHOSEN ONE" we are doomed as a country, and you will get the dictatorship you SO DESIRE!!!!!!!!!!  AND DESERVE!!!!!!!!

Grunt...I'm LOCKED and LOADED.

Memo...

Where are you???

Ster.

Me too.....GRRRRRRRRR

I have had enough!!!I'm sick of the lies and deciet...DAMN IT...... 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt...

Idea:  use my name first on subject line...so I can find your next comment!

Also...I'm sending you a "Friend request"...deal with it.  I find you amusing enough to waste a few minutes of my sorry life typing crap to you.

Ster.

The Ster

 OK ster......I'll try to figure it out....here is my first test

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt...call me Ster!!

Look at your inbox or on top of this post...

Ster.

Mr. Praline [John Cleese]: It's not pining. It's passed on. This parrot is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late parrot. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If you hadn't nailed it to the perch, it would be pushing up the daisies. It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. THIS IS AN EX-PARROT.

Ster

Ok I'm sure this is easy....but I might be slow on the uptake 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

He might have a Walter PPK.

He might have a Walter PPK. I think that was Bond's gun. I haven't seen anything in 007 post that makes me think he's a troll though. He wasn't disrepectufl, and just seemed to be asking a question. Granted, the MSM would never investigate anyone at a rally who asked a Republican a question, but I don't see anything trollish in his post. And don't forget Tatoo's perfomance in "The Man With the Golden Gun."  Now that's more Oscar worthy than Gore's movie.

 

 

Hey Carl!! Good to see you!!

Hey, I know......I have just had my fill lately.......short fuse...this and other things...but I digress....... 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

By the way Carl.......

my weapon of choice is the Colt 1911...none better. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Always good to see you

Always good to see you Begrunt. Hope you and your family are doing well.

How about a 44 Magnum used by my main man Harry Callahan?

Always good to see you

Always good to see you Begrunt. Hope you and your family are doing well. How about a 44 Magnum which was used by my main man Harry Callahan?

"You have to ask yourself one question.  Do I feel lucky?  Well do ya punk!"  Harry Callahan

Classic Carl!!.....one of my.....

favorite movie lines.......I never got to use it when I was on the job.....There was never "that" perfect moment. 

We are all good here.....got a scare with the fires though,.....but it quit before it got to us....thank god. 

Hope all is well with you and yours too!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt!! A real Colt 1911???

If so....I HATE YOU.

I want one!!!  $500-600 bucks??

Ster.

Ster....your going to hate me even more.... ;-)

I have a Colt 1911, 45auto........a WW1 model that my Grandfather carried in France, as a side arm. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Ster & Grunt

Stop clinging to yer damn guns, and be ready to hand them over to "THAT" One.

 

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NEVER.....they will have to.........

pry my fingers off of Grandpa's .45 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Grunt...It's...

COLD DEAD FINGERS!!! 

get my friend request or what?

Ster.

Resistance is

Resistance is futile.

Signed

Big Brother

Shy..Where the F have U been??

Have a nice CHAT???

That's the last time I leave to change my PURPLE color to be nice!!  I got locked out.

Only for Bt...nobody else!!!

Ster.

WHO'S STILL AWAKE ????

Sorry, I DID try and fetch you... Let's try this one:

http://www.chatzy.co...

Come one, come all!

 

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Shy...I sent you a friend request!!!

I thought you were on my buddy list already!!!

Ster.

I'm there...............

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Shy did you take that gig

Shy did you take that gig with the NYT?

"You don't know the power of the Dark Side" Darth Vader

Carl

Hasn't been offered yet. I think I'll know some time next week. They're in a fancy new, tall building. Man, they must be swimming in money.

Hey, we're all chatting here:

http://www.chatzy.co...

Join us! 

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I need to retire for the

I need to retire for the evening, but thanks for the invite. My youngest son has a flag football game, so I have to get some shuteye.

Have a good evening

Grunt...I HATE YOU!!!

I love your Grandfather...God bless him!!!

My Grandfather served in the Navy...WWII.

My Dad...Vietnam.

I wanted to join the NAVY in 1991.

I couldn't pass MEPS...the hearing test in 1991...failed 4 times!!

I'm a certified NAUI SCUBA Instructor..I literally faught with the recruiters to let me join!!!  I got 96% on the ASVAB Test...I had the choice of any assignment I wanted.  I had over 100 hours of college in Marine Biology.  I would have walked in as an E4...then go straight to OTC!!!

Ster.

 

My Dad was in the USAF during the Korean war....Me.....

I was an ROTC boy......comissioned a second Lieutenant.....My Dad retired a full Bird Colonel.....Me, a Captain...And then into Law Enforcement...(yes, I was nuts, but i was going to "save the world from crime".....BWahahahahaha....ya right ), to be a "cog" in the machine.  Retired, Yeah!!!!  I dont have to worry about that BS anymore!!!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Carl...U talkin' to Me..U talkin' to ME??

LOL!!

I got a Ruger P89 Stainless Steel (looks better than boring Black).

I gave Memo a second chance...read below.

Just waiting...he set me off on his talking points and snarky comments.

Ster....The Ster.

Jodi Foster is my favorie

Jodi Foster is my favorie actress.

Signed

John Hinkley Jr.

Carl..What was that movie...

Jodi got "reprogrammed" to kill???

Crap....

Ster.

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: Fuck off! We're the People's Front of Judea.

Are you talking about "Taxi

Are you talking about "Taxi Driver" or is it another movie?

Don't forget Jodie Foster's perfomance in "Bugsy Malone" with Scott Baio. When I was a kid that was one of my favorite movies with the little kids acting like gangsters. That also is more worthy of an Oscar than Gore's movie in my opinion.

Carl

Forget Jodie Foster in "Taxi Driver"... how 'bout Cybill Shepherd !?!? ("wooo haaaa!")

(sadly, now another aging, no-nothing liberal has been....) 

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Carl...No...

The one where she is an assassin...

Ster.

*Blots tears*

Good morning Carl

I personally want James T. Kirks Phazer. Much less messy than Harry Callahans Magnum.

Real life video games are cool

007

I have one thing to say to all of this....

For the love of GOD (and Country :)) since you now have proven yourself to not be a hit-and-run "troll" (yes, that's why we are quick to brand you a troll... they can be one-and-done-ers, often) please, please learn to separate your paragraphs with single spaces.

Yes, we here at NB are also very anal-retentive. 

:)

Oh, and welcome... our new liberal.... friend (better?)

 

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007... What

007...

What arrogance...how do you think people start a business....they take a risk with the belief in themselves....along with all the other crap the wonderful govt. regulations, rules,bonds, insurance... plus the states individual laws to deal with, I am not going to go into it all, but you take a risk, you borrow money from your local banker and have something to put up for collateral if need be, which is something you pathetic leftists just don't get, you bring money and income to the economy, you know the community, you employ other people, see this is how it works...

You know how you do that...you have a dream, a belief, a yearning, guts, determination, something the left will never have, they depend on the gov. by people who fulfill their dreams, support you whining babies in this world by the sweat from our own backs...none of you deserve one red cent from all the taxes we pay or have paid.

Joe is us out here speaking for all of us...you aren't the silent majority...you must be a blood-sucking pathetic leftist...go play with HuffnPuff where you belong.

Vet yourself. 

 "America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Bt...SLAP!!!

I was baiting him.  You NAILED him!!

THE AMERICAN DREAM.

WOW.

I'm speechless. Yes...I am.

Ster.

Sniff, sniff. Yeah, I thought so 007-5.

It is painfully clear, based on your elitest, snot-dripping post, that you just don't get it.

Then again, as you obviously attended government school during your formative years, which explains your ingrained affinity for a Marxist like Barry Hussein Obama, your mising the point by a mile is not exactly puzzling.

Even if Joe the Plumber turns out to be something other that advertised (and I don't believe he will) he has more in common with 95% of the US population than a plan-load of holier-than-thou coastal libs.

PUT THAT IN YOUR SMOKE AND PIPE IT!

-Dave

Bt, Dave...ok..I'll leave it to the PROS.

I just wanted a fight...<snif>

Ster.

Ster, LOL. Damn, don't wuss now!

 
:-)

-Dave

My name is Helm... RD Helm

I guess you like your trolls shaken but not Stered? Lol, that was terrible, Sorry  could not help myself. :-)

Real life video games are cool

shawn,

ROFL.  :-)

-Dave

OH!! OK!! Kill the Troll...Gang up on me?!?!

WTF!!!

Ster.

Ster, shawn was referring to 007-5, a troll if there ever was.

LMAO!

-Dave

Dave...I Know...

Being scarstic.  LOL!!!

Hey guys...Great POUNDING on 007!! Facts scare Trolls!!

I want MORE!!

Ster.

WOMAN: Well, how did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,... [angels sing] ...her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up, will you. Shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?

 

Shawn..U Funny..U should be a Comedian!

Verry Funny <sarc>

I busted that Troll on the first post AFTER Dave smelled him out!!!

I'm just not as good as Bt and Dave. I admit it. I'll get better.

I do love going after Trolls.

Shawn..just kiddin' with ya!

I WANT MY OWN TROLL!!! :(

Ster.

 

Ster

Daves right, I was not referring to you as a troll. 007 always liked his martini's shaken and not stirred.

It was just a weak attempt at humor when I put your name in there. I could have said The Ster who loved me, but that would have been kinda gay :-

Real life video games are cool

Shawn..I know..Being SCARSTIC..lol!!!

Actually...Good DIG!!!

LOL!!!

Ster.

Dave, Bt, I never Wuss out. I can't type!

You and Bt just NAILED THAT JELLO TO THE WALL!!!

AND IT STUCK!!!

I'm just here ...Watching the Masters at Work!!!

<snif>

Ster.

CHAT.....

All Hail Joe The Plumber Gala Event

And 007 is welcome to celebrate with us.

 

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SHY!!! I CANT GET BACK IN CHAT!!!

TRIED TO CHANGE COLOR.  NOW I CANT GET BACK IN!!!

12:16 CST

Ster

Really? I wonder why... you shouldn't have any problem. Try re-booting your browser, maybe... clear the cache... ?

http://www.chatzy.co...

 

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I WANT BACK IN!!!

THANKS FOR TAKING SO LONG TO LOOK FOR ME!!!  LOL!!!  I REALLY FEEL THE LOVE!

It sais I'm already logged in. I cant get around it. You will have to start a new chat.  Don't worry about it.  I would like to Join...

 

 

"He's not a licensed

"He's not a licensed plumber"

SO what?  He IS a plumber.   The state does not require a license.   My line of work does not require a license either.  That doesn't mean I don't really do what I do.    Your so called "fact" is meaningless.

"he can't afford to buy his boss's business"

And this precludes the man from striving to one day do so? 

"It was inevitable that Joe the Plumber would be investigated by the media, as has been the case in the past with every Average Joe American both Republican and Democratic candidate trotted out.."

Puhleeassee... Name ONE democrat that has even been questioned by the MSM, much less viciously attacked like Joe the Plumber.

"just as the McCain Campaign was too lazy to vett the guy"

Why would you vet someone who just speaks up for what he believes in.   He IS a plumber.   He DOES want to buy or start his own business.   He PLANS to break the $250k barrier.  And he DOES believe that Obama's "spreading the wealth" ideology is SOCIALIST.  SO.. what is it that invalidates his passionate beliefs?  The reason he is being attacked is because he shed a light onto Obama's socialist dreams, and the MSM must demonize him to make Joe the story instead of SOCIALIST Obama.

 

 

 

When asked if he went to war with Iraq  to derail the impeachment vote:  “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

 Facts:  He's not a

 Facts:  He's not a licensed plumber, he makes around $40,000 per year and he can't afford to buy his boss's business.

I started my business with much less

 His boss claims his company earns much, much less than $250,000 and the business isn't even for sale.

Soooooooo, what would you say dipstick?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

welcome to NB 007

Now let's take a look at your post:

He's not a licensed plumber, he makes around $40,000 per year and he can't afford to buy his boss's business.  His boss claims his company earns much, much less than $250,000 and the business isn't even for sale.

He does not have his *personal* license but currently works for a licensed company. And just because the company is a small business right now doesn't mean Joe can't wonder about the next four years. As to the boss saying the company is for sale, link please Hint: DailyKos doesn't count as a trustworthy source.

It was inevitable that Joe the Plumber would be investigated by the media, as has been the case in the past with every Average Joe American both Republican and Democratic candidate trotted out in order to score political points.John McCain made Joe the issue by invoking his name 15 or 20 times during the debate.  McCain would have done Joe a favor if in fact he had vetted the guy prior to making him famous.

McCain is not the one who made him famous. The media was already highlighting Obama's answer before the debate, and Obama himself spoke about Joe several times. Now McCain is supposed to vet random strangers who show up campaign stops?

And while we're at it let's talk about Average Joes trotted out by the left. Let's talk about Democrat plants who were used in primary debates - where was the media vetting them? You can't ask Obama a challenging question about taxes, but you can wear a T shirt that says "Sarah Palin is a ----" and the media thinks it's cute?

By the way, I'm not exactly sure of those facts about Joe that I recited above, but that's what I have gleaned from news reports.  Normally I would fact check, or vet myself, but I'm too lazy in this case - just as the McCain Campaign was too lazy to vett the guy themselves.

So you're perfectly willing to state something as "fact" without even knowing if it's a fact or not, and it's John McCain's fault because he didn't investigate a random citizen on the street who showed up at an Obama campaign stop?

Last but not least, if your going to come up with an example of the insanity of the media you sure as heck should come up with a better example than this.

Translation: Tom Brokaw could tell his viewers to vote for Obama on national TV and I would say that it A) doesn't matter and B) is John McCain's fault.

 

Change is what you're left with when you've spent all your dollars.

Great reply Can......as you could see....

I was a bit cranky last night........I had my fill of BS for the day.....and that one set me off. People like that just show their ignorance of the facts...sometimes it feels like I'm debating with a brick. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Welcome to Neo-America...

Welcome to Neo-America... it sort of a bizarro version of traditional America, only here it's ordinary citizen voters who are "vetted" by the media; while Democrat Presidential "candidates" not only skate, they actually get media support.

Let's just get this right, you have an opinion about what Joe "purports" to be?

That would be the guy Obama wanders up to in the street and purports to bamboozle him with his socialist gibberish?

But Joe was having none of it. More fool Joe.

I am impressed with your detailed knowledge of what Joe can and cannot do with his life. Based on what, I have no idea though.

By the way, are you a licensed poster?

But don't worry if you're not. By the time a President Obama's regulators get into power it'll only be those who disagree with him who need a license.

You do realize that your post makes you sound like the guy who cheers on Goliath as he beats David to death..

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Great post, thanks for

Great post, thanks for bringing some common sense and sanity to this forum.

I am a conservative who is willing to think for himself.

Hillbilly..GREAT POST!!!

You got it!  Joe hit a NERVE...and the MSM knows it!!!

So does 007...

His reply...<crickets>

Ster.

A Typical Plumber Profile.

Some excerpts from: A Typical Plumber Profile: A Proud, Trained, Hard-Working Professional

[...]

Here is some information to help provide a view of today's typical
plumber:

-- The average wage of plumbers is $47,000 a year, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

[...]

-- Many plumbers start out working for plumbing companies, and may end up starting or buying their own company after a few years.

[...] 

According to a 2005 PHCC Member Survey (which could provide a representation of the industry), annual business sales volume of plumbing, heating and air conditioning companies breaks down like this:


26.3 percent, $500,000 or less

22.5 percent, $500,000-$999,000

22.5 percent, $1 million-$2.49 million

28.7 percent, $2.49 million or more

[...]

SOURCE Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors National Association

Par

You have exposed the main error in left-wing extremist thinking. They have no conception of reality in the business world. I am in the flooring business and what you say is true for everyone in the trades. They don't have a clue regarding license requirements, apprenticeships, expenses, profits, or anything else involved.

P.J.. No. It's Obama who lied to "Joe the Plumber"

P.J.. No. It's Obama who lied to "Joe the Plumber."

And Maher said,"They prey on people like "Joe the Plumber," who don't really understand the issues.

Again, apparently, it's Senator Obama Democratic, candid for the POTUS, who doesn't really understand the issues.

The entire national media interest here, w/Bill Maher jumping on the frantic and desperate bandwagon, is in trying to pick apart "Joe the Plumber's" tax sense, in the packaged effort of showcasing how they wish to spin Obama's understanding of tax policy to be superior. Should not the first point in order here be for them to notice the little lie from Obama right there in the video tape?

Right off the top, Obama just out and out lied to Joe. Obama said: 

 "we haven't given a break to folks who make less." 

 

He was comparing poorer and middle income folks to wealthier folks - like himself; trying to diss the higher tax breaks and stating that the worker bee did not receive any tax breaks during the past 8 years. Really - Mars must be lonely this time of year, Bill.

For the record, the Bush administration, with congress, did in fact give poorer and middle class working folks significant tax breaks; all middle and lower tax rates were lowered, with the 15% lower bracket being cut to 10% (a 50% reduction); child tax credit was doubled; and the marriage penalty tax trap was fixed - and it helped a ton. They extended the AMT adjustment each and every year. In 2001 they received a tax rebate, pushed by the Democrats - eventually Bush gave in and gave them most of what they wanted there. In 2008, for goodness sakes, once again, we are given a tax rebate, a larger one, a part of a stimulus package. Many middle class workers invest in the equity markets and did in fact benefit from lower capital gains tax and lower dividend tax rates.

Main street [middle class] workers; those making much less than "rich folks like Obama" received significant reductions in tax liability - during these years. Obama has the right to argue that it was not enough - that it was not fair. That's not what he did - in this much covered event, Obama lied - and the entire national media blinked? Obama lied to the taxpaying workers in the country. Last month he lied to the seniors on the Bush and McCain positions, trying to scare them into believing, falsely, that they would loose their benefits if McCain was elected. Shameless.

That is the news the media should be most interested in. (;~/ gary

Thank You MSM

Thank you thank you thank you MSM. Please, keep up the attacks from all corners of the liberal world on an ordinary working American citizen. Thank you for ramping up your attacks on someone I can relate to. Thank you for reminding us that we nothing but a pile of dung and are not smart enough nor classy enough to pal around with you. Thank you for reminding us that we all should live in shame of our failings, whether it's keeping up with our taxes, or our credentials, all the while trying to eek out a living for us and our families. Thank you for reminding us that if we dare make any inquiries about what our government and president will do for us, that we will be flogged to death on the national stage. Thank you for reminding us, that we do not count. Thank you for calling us a liar to our face. All we can do is smile and await our day at the polls. We are disgusted and angry and you will be surprised at how many of us are out there and are not being counted by your polls.

These people are fools. 

These people are fools.  Whether he lied or not is irrelevant.  They continue to toss aside the Socialism that Obama spewed.  Was he baited into it?  I don't care, and it's irrelevant.  An American asked him a question, and he's a candidate and would be a fool to brush it off.

These goofs surely aren't concerned with any of Obama's lies.  Guess who's running for president?  It ain't Joe the Plumber.

If Barack Obama was on my street going door to door, I'll say right now that if I wanted to get him to explain his Socialism to the world and had a video camera to get it on tape, the best way would be to ask the question in the form of a real-life scenario.  A true one or not, that would be irrelevant.  I already know his answer, but millions of Americans don't, so my question would be not for me, but for many more.

And to Joe Wurzelbacher I say excellent job in presenting a question to him that made him, in 20 months of campaigning, tell the world his true motives.  And it took a REGULAR American to make him do it.  Not a debate, not a speech, not another politician, but a regular guy, just like millions of us.  Much more of a regular guy than the Obama would ever be.

  And to Joe Wurzelbacher

 
And to Joe Wurzelbacher I say excellent job in presenting a question to
him that made him, in 20 months of campaigning, tell the world his true
motives.  And it took a REGULAR American to make him do it.

 Wouldnt you love to see 10-20 moreAmericans ask him questions? Know wonder he ran away from the Town Hall meetings!!!!

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

gc... Bulls-Eye...if he

gc...

Bulls-Eye...if he didn't have total control ahead of time of what was going to be said or asked, he will not do it.

If the parties were reversed in this situation with the Town Hall Meetings, the msm would of been all over the republican until they shamed him/her, if they could, that is.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Let's reward Joe... Poor

Let's reward Joe...

Poor Joe had no idea that by questioning Obama that he would get an anal exam by the media and the messiah lovers. The only fair thing for us to do is...reward Joe. The best possible gift we could give Joe, is an Obama defeat in Nov. Don't let up for a second, Obama must not win!

Why Obama Scares The Crap Out Of Me

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Clear....

PLUMBER / ASPIRING BUSINESSMAN JOE (SAMUEL :)) IS OUR HERO !!!!!

 

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Shy... How much you wanna

Shy...

How much you wanna bet that a few people will write-in Joe the Plumber for president? Hell, I'd vote for him before I would ever vote for Obama!

Obama Will Continue Americas Wealth Re-distribution

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/ 

Heck...I would before

Heck...I would before McCain.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

CT!!! There is a Draft Joe website up already!!

I didn't catch the URL...but somebody already has a web site up with Joe 2010.

Can you look for it??

AND, I want one of those "Hello my name is...Joe The Plumber" T-Shirts I saw at today's Rally!!!

I'm watching Christopher Hitchens explain to Laura Ingraham WHY he is backing Obama???  OMG!

Ster.

Teddy/HillbillyKing

You guys are good! Thanks. Somehow I find that tape very entertaining.

It was my great pleasure, oldreporter!

Glad I could help, and thanks for the compliment. 

I find that clip Very entertaining too!

I sometimes wonder what kind of damage 'Ponch' would do to Ms. Maher if they'd ever actually square-off in a Redux, and he'd tag him on the honker again though?

No accidental Love Tap stuff. Golden Gloves stuff.

Even all these years later. 

Dare To Dream (or "fantasize", as Behar puts it), I guess.

 

American Arafat

Yassar Arafat used to make nice when he spoke in English or French, but when the little Ringo Starr wannabe spoke in Arabic, he expressed his true feelings.

I have always found that liberals speak their true motives when they are in their comfort zone. When they think they are surrounded by like minded people, they let their true feelings be known. Barack probably thought he was speaking to someone who would by his true socialist feelings, so he spoke his own truth.

Any comparisons of Barack Hussein to Arafat are purely incidental. He might share a lot of things with Arafat, but we know that Barack Hussein is not Arab. They've worn similar clothing. They have/had Arabic names, and there's rumors that both have/had a taste for men. That's just a vicious rumor, though. 

"He might think he may be

"He might think he may be an Arab or a communist or, you know, maybe he's black."

maher race baiting? obama would be proud.

he probably does think obama is a socialist now. obama said himself he wants to "spread your wealth around".

Moderate Democrats

If there actually is such a thing as a moderate democrat, are you people totally blind to the fact your party has been taken over by the extreme left?. I can't believe any sensible person can't see this. Are you that desperate to have a democrat in the White House that you are willing to put in someone as totally unqualified and with more skeletons in his closet than you can count.

What in heavens name do you people know about this guy that the mainstream media refuses to discuss. How can you see a perfect candidate with absolutely no problems whose only claim to fame is he has 143 days experience, voted to raise taxes 95 times and when a vote of importance or requiring leadership only voted present.

For the sake of the country if there are any of you left in that party stand up for your country don't give your vote to a complete unknown with an obvious agenda, IF your willing to scratch the surface and see him for what he is, an empty suit.

Moderate democrats / Spreading the wealth

Not that the following is necessarily what Obama has in mind, but is there not some value in spreading the wealth, in the sense of a kind of "trickle up" effect. If a country were to get too stratified, such that 1% of the population held 99% of the wealth, and the other 99% held 1% of it among them, might not a neighbor country where 1% had 50% of the wealth and 99% had 50% of the wealth sometimes become more prosperous, all other factors the same.

In the case of the second country, might not that wealthy elite 1% actually end up with more actual wealth for themselves than the elite in the first case, given they would have a much richer base population to earn their wealth from? Plus the broader population would have a much easier time -- more Joe the Plumbers would have a shot at joining the top or the near top in second case than in the first, right?

I Feel A Mighty Backlash Brewing!

The storm that is brewing from all the attacks on Sarah and now Joe are about to strike the MSM with the force of a F-5 hurricane!  It is one thing to attack a politician, they're in the public arena, but when you go after their families and an innocent hard working civilian, you have crossed the line.  HOW DARE THEY!  I AM JOE!

Isn't it funny how a small town politician and a working class plumber can send the MSM and the liberal elites into a tizzy?!  This is a gift that the McCain camp never expected.  This is a year in which any generic Dem. should be wiping the floor with any generic Rep.  How poetic is it that a moose hunting rube from a small town and a blue collar septic tank cleaner is going to win the election for us?

BTW, I copied this from Iowahawk.

First, a pre-emptive apology for the intentional non-humor to follow. I promise that all future non-humor will be strictly unintentional.

We've all witnessed a lot of insanity in American politics over the last few years. Up until the last few days, none of it has seriously bothered me; hey, just more grist for the satire mill. But after witnessing the media's blitzkreig on Joe 'the Plumber' Wurzelbacher, I can only muster anger, and no small amount of fear.

Politicians -- Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, et al. --  obviously have to put up with some rude, nasty shit, but it's  right there in the jobs description. Joe the Plumber is different. He was a guy tossing a football with his kid in the front yard of his $125,000 house when a politician picked him out as a prop for a 30 second newsbite for the cable news cameras. Joe simply had the temerity to speak truth (or, if you prefer, an uninformed opinion) to power, for which the politico-media axis apparently determined that he must be humiliated, harassed, smashed, destroyed. The viciousness and glee with which they set about the task ought to concern anyone who still cares about citizen participation, and freedom of speech, and all that old crap they taught in Civics class before politics turned into Narrative Deathrace 3000, and Web 2.0 turned into Berlin 1932.0.

Godwin's Law! you say? if the jackboot fits, wear it.

If it's meta-memes and meta-meta-narratives these media headlice want, so be it. I hope you will join me in expressing a simple bit of solidarity with this guy, Spartacus style. I AM JOE. I am a Wal Mart schlub in flyover country who changes my own oil and unclogs drains without a license. I smoke and drink beer and toss the football in the front yard with my kid, and I figure I can fend my way without handouts from some Magic Messiah's candy bags. Most everyone in my family and most everyone I grew up with is another Joe, and if you screw with them, you screw with me.

Are you a Joe? Say it proud. Leave it on every goddamn newspaper comment section and online forum. Let these pressroom and online thugs know you won't stay silent when they try to destroy the life of a private citizen for speaking his mind -- because for every one of them, there are a million Joe Wurzelbachers. And for that we should all be thankful.

"What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?  They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon." - Rush Limbaugh

"Not a licensed Plumber"

I am amazed how someone grasps to a statement and believes it to be true. Bill M. calls Joe the Plumber a liar since he is not licensed.

A few years ago, I had an elderly gentleman working for me that had a business installing HVAC systems. It was a three man shop. He had a job to install a furnace in a house in Kent, Ohio. Before he accepted the job, he discovered that the city of Kent required HVAC installers to be licensed in the city. The license was a few hunderd dollars. When he called the city department that issued the HVAC licenses, he asked the following questions:

1. Is there a test I need to take and pass? NO

2. Will the city inspect my work? NO

3. Does the city guarantee my work? NO

4. Will the city guarantee I receive full payment? NO

He stopped rith there and said, "This is not a license, but a tax!"

The reply was, "So!"

He refused to do any work in the city limits of Kent Ohio.

Bill M. is an A**!

 

Lkotur

 

 Maher, If we should all

 Maher, If we should all resign ourselves by living in "reality" I suggest you lead the way by giving up. You are not funny, never were, and never will be.

 

Bill Maher

Bill you  must remember that when you point a finger at anyone and call them a liar, there are four fingers pointing back at you.  What a pathetic person Maher is.  He has no faith in Jesus and depends on himself to get through this life here.  Well with that belief that is as far as he will go.  Remember, for the believer in Christ, this is the worst we willever have it.  For the non-believer, this is the best they will ever have it.  Enjoy Bill!

A bit overboard...

If Obama is elected then you should just calm down and give it a chance.

I won't vote for him but I certainly won't hope against him if he is elected.

Alot of you sound like people that may very well do something very, very stupid in the future out of anger towards someone that you've allowed Sean Hannity to build up in your head.

Calm down, focus on the issues and vote for John McCain and Gov. Palin and we'll be fine, but if by chance they don't win we need to drop this anger from our side and realize we're the ones that got ourselves into this mess of being the minority in Congress, not Bill Maher.

If you think dissent means beng a traitor then I expect that you will not say one negative word toward Obama if he is elected and that as an American you will hope that he becomes successful and helps the nation to prosper.

Otherwise your just another loud mouthed hypocrite. 

"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan

IAR... Say what? I've

IAR...

Say what?

I've read your post three times...I sure don't like what I am taking from it.

...that could be just me...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

IAR

You've been reading too much "conservatives are violent" stories. Get a grip and stay from the left-wing extremists for a while. They are clouding your judgement.

Its moreso...

What I'm saying is this: do I agree with liberals on anything regarding politics? - NO. But I can certainly find common ground with them on numerous other things to where I don't need to be angry at them. regardless of what alot of you think, I believe that liberals want what's best for the country, maybe too much as they seem to want to eliminate personal responsibilty and hand that over to the government. I just think that we need to find the common ground on both sides and work towards it. Liberals are always wrong but that doesn't mean they are ill intentioned.

The original post of mine was directed to the poster cayenne523 but instead of hitting reply I just logged in and posted so it looks out of place. I think saying, "Can there possibly be enough rope to hang these liberal traitors after our country goes into a decline if Obama is elected? This twenty four hour a day liberal propaganda that is broadcast into the homes of the ignorant is nothing less than treason," is a bit much even if it was meant in a joking manner which if it was kind of missed the boat. 

My mistake for making it seem random and as if I was just spouting off towards a generality.

"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan

ImAllRight

I only needed to read your post once to know it is an excellent Post! Thank you for that. You are one of the few I have seen on this site, that realize that not everything is the msm and liberals fault, some of it has to fall on the GOP's shoulders as well.

Real life video games are cool

Joe The Plumber

Sorry I didn’t stick around to post further, and more rapidly, last night but I assumed I’d be talking to myself since it was so late in the night. 

Here’s just a couple brief points since I assume there’s not much chance too many of you will be revisiting this page again:

It is quite valid to take the McCain Campaign to task (very gently though cause I don’t want to upset anyone) for failing to vett the guy prior to making him their poster boy.  They made a rookie mistake.   The media will always go for the easy and sensational  story, and the easy story is to tear apart the background of any “poster boy”, be they Republican or Democrat.  I believe the media is an equal opportunity character destroyer. 

Why is it this way? Cause the media is lazy and the American people are by and large ignorant and ill informed and refuse to follow a story past a five second sound bite anyway.  The five second sound bite, or breaking news, makes the headline.  Why do you think the media grabbed hold of the quote by McCain “I’m not George Bush” as the most significant moment of the debate?  GIve me a break.  That’s evidence of a very lazy media.

Now, on to brother Joe.  As harmless as you may think it is, and granted he meant no harm, he didn’t tell the truth and the truth really does matter. I can anticipate the vitriol coming at me for that point but I stand by it.   Joe lost his credibility.  Whatever excellent point he was making got subjugated because of that.  I truly feel sorry for Joe. 

Lastly, if Obama’s response to Joe was the smoking gun that revealed his far left socialist agenda, that point sure was subjugated.  But you guys recognize it exactly for what it was.  But maybe, just maybe, Obama doesn’t really have a far left socialist agenda.  And maybe, you just heard what you wanted to hear.  Maybe that’s the simple answer as to why the media didn’t pick up on it the way you picked up on it.

How did "brother" Joe lie,

How did "brother" Joe lie, may I ask?

Why should someone that asks a question from the Obama campaign be crucified by the media, Liberals and the Obama campaign?  and don't tell me the Obama campaign had nothing to do with trying to destroy this man for asking a simple question!

Furthermore, we heard what we wanted to hear?!  really?!  so he never said, "Spread the Wealth..."?  really?!

maybe YOU don't want to hear what he said so you can excuse your vote for hime. 

Joe the Plumber never lied! He did say that he was looking to own a business in which he was going to make $250,000 a year.  How did he lie?  because he never said he wasn't licensed?  oh please do you know how many contractors are out there who are not licenseed?

and how about the media and the Liberals going after him for owing taxes?  what is more important that this guy hasn't paid his back taxes or that people in Obama's campaign haven't?  Like Nebbits, you do know who he is right?  Obama's top campaign treasurer!!!!!  or how about Rangel not paying taxes or the countless other Democrat politicians in power who as of today haven't paid taxes!

Joe is an average citizen who asked a question and individuals like you, Obama nd his campaign want to crucify him for asking a question that got the truth out of Obama!

I AM JOE!!! I STAND PROUDLY BY THIS MAN AND I AM JOE!  SAID LOUD, SAY PROUD! I AM JOE!! WE CANNOT ALLOW THE LEFT AND THE MEDIA TO ATTACK CITIZENS FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF THEIR GOD!  These media attack on Joe, the Liberal attack on Joe is NO different than what you saw Nazis, Communist, etc do to citizens who dare stand up to governments they knew were wrong and bad!

 

I AM JOE!

Sorry - Piffle about Average Joe

I posted the Piffle about Average Joe comment before I saw your post, I wasn't reponding to your post. 

007memo, It seems that

007memo,

It seems that you missed the whole point.

It is NOT about Joe the Plumber, it is the answer that Obama gave to Joe the Plumber's question.

Joe the Plumber could have been dirt poor or a millionare, it doesn't matter!!!

It is Obama's answer that is important! don't you get it?

 

I AM JOE!

Dave I Do Get It

I addressed it somewhere already, probably a couple times - it's getting late and losing more and more focus here.

What I get is that Obama will not destroy our economy.  He will not make radical changes.  You think he will, just as you thought Bill Clinton would destroy the economy.  I'm sure you remember the predictions that within 18 months of Clinton's administration we'd be in a depression?  Luckily we had the positive effects of Reaganomics carrying us through the eight years of his administration.

Too bad it's the Clintonomics that ruined the economy for the Bush Administration.

Your putting me in position to argue for Obama as if I expect great things to happen.  Nope, I don't have those expectations.  I just don't think he will radically change things.

It looks like we're going to have a Democratic President, House and Senate soon.  I really don't look forward to that any more than I did the last several years of Republican control.  I expect that the Democrats will screw up the country as handily as the Republicans did.  That "absoulte power" corrupting thing... corrupting absolutely and all.

Gotta go, have to work tomorrow... and the next day, and the next day...  I'm not better off than I was four years ago!

007memo, But that is just

007memo,

But that is just it....Clinton did ruin this nation for 8 years! While 9/11 was carried out by truly evil men, bent on the destruction of America, Bill Clinton did fall asleep at the wheel for 8 years. Let us not forget that it was under Clinton's administration that the terrorist first tried to bring down the Twin Towers.  A inconvinient truth ignored too often by the Democrats, Liberals and the media. 

What did Clinton do to go after these terrorists and the master mind?  Get lawyers to go after them.  great! no so much of course!

Clinton passed the highest tax increase in american history on the middle class! 

The housing disaster started back during the Clinton years when laws, policies, etc were passed that would allow individuals that in most cases could qualify for a home, to qualify for a house, right? 

Clinton's 8 years in office were a disaster and we paid for his mess with 9/11, this poor economy, etc.

and let us not even start talking about abortion, military spending, CIA, etc, etc, etc where Clinton dropped the ball and we are paying the price today.

I mean honestly, why do you think our troops were getting exhausted going to Iraq and AFghanistan?  because Clinton downsized our army, took away resources and money from the military, etc, etc, etc.  I could go on. 

Oh, by the way, let us not forget the countless LIBERAL Federal judges that he appointed that are creating havoc to our justice system.

So, yes an Obama Presidency would radically change this nation.  it will.  ONce again, many in Venezuela believed just like you did.  Hugo Chavez is a bit out there, but this is what we need right now.  Ten years later, a whole different country, Venezuelans regret their vote for Chavez.  Will Obama change this nation like Chavez has?  I don't think Americans would allow it, but not for any lack of trying from Obama. 

Decent Americans need to wake up to who Obama really is.  He is a left wing radical, he is dangerous for America and the world. 

We are in a fork on the road with America, one road leads to a golden age for America.  Another one leads to dark ages for America.  Decent Americans will take us into the dark ages because they have not been told the truth about Obama.  They are too lazy to find out the truth on their own and yes....because Obama's Hope and Change mantra sounds pretty, it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy inside, chills run down the spine of some Americans when they hear this.  History is repeating itself. 

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed in the world, is for enough good man to do nothing!"  This is where we are heading with an Obama Presidency. 

Sorry, don't tell me other wise.  I have heard your song and dance before that you do not believe a candidate will radicalize or change a country too much.  I wish, I truly wish Americans were better versed in history.  Obama would never have won anything if they were. 

 

 

I AM JOE!

Joe purported himself to be

Joe purported himself to be someone who would be directly affected by Obama’s proposal to tax those making over $250,000.  Now don’t you see that as being disingenuous?

I watched plenty of news reports on Friday about Joe the Plumber and by and large there was no crucifying being done.  

You say: “individuals like you, Obama and his campaign want to crucify him”.  Nope, I don’t want to crucify him.  Don’t really care that much about Joe the Plumber.  I think that the subject is a tempest in a teapot that McCain trumped up during a stump speech on Friday about the evil media and Obama campaign.  Score one for McCain though cause that stuff resonates.

You ask: “so he never said, "Spread the Wealth..."?  really?!”  If this is your “smoking gun” there’s no need to register it. 

Bill Maher did make one very good point that neither candidate can be honest about: “You know, at some point, somebody is going to have to pay the taxes. Neither one of the candidates was very forthcoming about that last night.”  The jokes on us folks.

005+2 (on a good day) you really don't get it, do you?

First of all, Obama's confiscatory tax plan is going to affect all of us, regardless of our incomes.

When he hits small business owners with it, do you really believe the increased cost to these businesses isn't going going to be passed right along to the customers of said business?

And in cases where it won't be passed along, what of the employees of those businesses?

Exactly how economically illiterate can you be?

-Dave

007memo, Well as the saying

007memo, Well as the saying in Spanish goes, "No ahi pero siego, que el que no quiere ver!" roughly translated to, there is not worst blind than he who does not want to see.  There was plenty of crucifying and it is scary that you can't see.  You still do not get it!  It is NOT about Joe the Plumber, it is about the answer that Obama gave!  don't you get it?no smoking gun? wow!! So, you do not care about Obama's, "Spread the wealth..." line.  Which he also said he wants those on the bottom to be where Joe is sooner than Joe got there....how?  by taxing anyone that makes over $250,000.  If this is not redistribution of wealth, what is 007memo?  Tell me, why did the media need to do any type of reporting on Joe's background?  care to explain that?  do you?Furthermore, while the media has been hard at work putting out all the dirty secrets of Joe the Plumber, how many of them reported that Obama’s top campaign treasure owed more taxes than Joe the Plumber?  (I know, you’ll ignore this question since it doesn’t benefit your point of view….you complain about politicians, but you do plenty of dancing around and ignoring anything that does not fit your world view)They, the media, Obama, Liberals, have tried to delegitimize Joe the Plumber and his question by attacking him!  Was there any need for you and to know that he owes taxes, was there?  was there?! eh?  was there any need for us to know that while he does plumber work, he doesn't have a license, was there?  eh?  was there?! OF COURSE NOT!!you are still blind to what matters, Obama!!!! not Joe the Plumber!!! Obama!!!!!! get it yet?! it is Obama's answers to Joe's question!  Joe could have been you, me, a filthy rich European, a filthy rich Mexican, a poor American, a rich American, a poor Canadian......it is NOT the question or the person who asked the question that matters!!!! it is the answer that Obama gave that matters!!!!you are doing it, you are attacking Joe the Plumber and you are NOT addressing Obama's answer!  you are crucifying the guy to justify your thought process!  You are claiming that he was disingenuous.....what the hell does it matter whether he was honest or not about his background!  the question stands! and the answer that Obama gave stands...get it?!  does that make sense yet?! and if you can't see that the smoking gun was Obama saying, "Spread the wealth...."  i don't know what is!  or maybe you can get into Obama's head and explain better than Obama what spread the wealth means to him.  Right?  and sorry, anyone that takes Bill Maher seriously has serious issues!  bill maher is a pathetic has been, a person full of hate, vitriol, anger, etc.  I use to watch him way back when when he was on late on ABC, channel 7 in Chicago.  His liberal leanings were annoying back then, but what he spews out is pure and utter hate, contempt and vitriol.so, it would give you a lot more credibility if you stop quoting such a hateful individual! I AM JOE!

 

Liberallies,

help an ol' Hillbilly out. How do you say, Hat Tip and Great Minds in Spanish? ;-}

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Y'all won't get anywhere with him

He's so deep in his liberal rut, he can't see daylight.

Hillbillyking, yes, we do

Hillbillyking,

yes, we do think alike!  :-)

I tell you, I have seen this type of election before, Hugo Chavez in 1998.  Good decent Venezuelans who were tired of politics as usual in their country voted Hugo Chavez into the presidency of Venezuela.  People of all ages, races, classes, income, etc voted for him because Hugo Chavez sold them hope and change! 

I have heard politicians like Obama before in Castro, Hugo Chavez, Hilter, etc (not in the mass murder mind you) but in their political rhetoric. 

Ameircans will come to regret an Obama Presidency rather quickly, but probably too late.

Furthermore, the vitrol that is coming from the left is incredibly scary.  What they have done to Joe the Plumber for asking a question is even scarier. What the media, and Liberals have done to Joe the Plumber is what the Gestapo used to do to those that opposed Hitler. 007memo, is nothing more than an useful tool for the left. Complacement and making moral equivalancy where none exist. 

007memo, let me remind you of something....

"They came for Sarah Palin, and I did nothing because it did not affect me or my family.  They came for Joe the Plumber and I did nothing because it did not affect me or my family.  They came for my family and I...."

If you believe this is not possible in Ameirca, go read some books abou the Spanish Civil War, go read up on European history, mainly German history right before Nazi Germany. 

As my grandfather said, who lived and fought through the Spanish Civil War.  He had not seen in American politics what he saw in Spain right before the Spanish Civil War.  Now he sees it.  He saw many Joe the plumbers in Spain who asked questions of politicians be destroyed by the media, by politicians.  History repeats itself, and as my grandfather said and as my parents from Venezuela said, Obama is nothing new, Obama has no new message, it has been heard before many times during world history.  Obama's attack dogs are nothing new, they have been around long before any of them were born. 

American's lack of knowledge of world history, AMerican history is one of the many contributiors to what is leading to too many decent Americans believe that Obama's Presidency will be a great Presidency.

God help this nation if Obama wins and Democrats obtain a super majority!  what happened to Joe the Plumber is nothing compared to what is coming.

 

I AM JOE!

007memo,

Stay around and post your responses. Many posters here will get up the next morning and continue a debate or for that matter the next evening, the following day, etc. I for one, always check the "track" portion of my account and click on new comments made in stories I have posted on. Hell, I can tell you that there are threads that people have been going back an forth on for weeks now. 

Now as too your post. 

It is quite valid to take the McCain Campaign to task (very gently
though cause I don’t want to upset anyone) for failing to vett the guy
prior to making him their poster boy.  They made a rookie mistake. 
The media will always go for the easy and sensational  story, and the
easy story is to tear apart the background of any “poster boy”, be they
Republican or Democrat.  I believe the media is an equal opportunity
character destroyer.

I disagree with the entire concept that the McCain campaign should have "vetted" Joe. The point is Barry's response to Joe's question. THAT'S the story. Has Joe given any speech's for the McCain camp? Has he appeared in any McCain ad's? McCain used Joe to illustrate Barry's responses.  That's it. Now, can you explain to me why they needed to vett the guy that asked a question to which the response IS the story. If Barry had never said "spread the wealth" Joe wouldn't have ever been mentioned. Hence, the answer is the story. Not the guy that asked it. 

However, IF you wanted to deflect the attention of the public from the REAL story, in this case the answer Barry gave, well, you launch a smear campaign against the guy that asked it. You assassinate his character, you portray him as a tax dodger, you portray him as a fraud, you portray him as a liar, you portray him as a unregistered voter, etc, etc, etc. You do everything in your power to obfuscate the REAL story. Now the methods are easy. You are absolutely right that the media can tear apart the background of anyone. But that raise's the VITAL question: WHY? Why the effort to destroy Joe?  I mean, if they are as lazy as you claim, why go to all the trouble of tearing Joe down? Because it's newsworthy? If it is, then why is it newsworthy? Is Bill Ayer's not newsworthy? He too was mention by McCain. Yet, where is the destruction of Bill Ayers by the media? Should McCain's camp have vetted Ayers before mentioning him in the debate?  I found it alarming the shear number of "easy" stories that the media misses out on that have a liberal connotation.  

 

I call the media "manufacture opinion outlets" or MOO's for short. I believe that the day's of reporting the news are long gone for most media outlets. They are in the business of giving the people opinion. The opinions that they believe the people should have. That's why there are different "brands" of opinion. Fox for conservatives and MSNBC for liberals, etc. Let's just say that I don't think the media is lazy in what they decide to report on. I believe it is calculated and by design on what is "deemed" newsworthy and what is not.  I say let's agree to disagree on why the media is the way it is, ok?

As for your last couple of paragraphs, I'll offer some quick thoughts.

1. I respect your stand on Joe, but I completely disagree. Hell, just read the reply I posted to your 1st post on this thread. (I did it today, see it's worth coming back and checkin)

2. Barry's response wasn't the smoking gun, it is just the latest example of his intentions. Other's here have done a far better job documenting this, so I would suggest that you keep reading and perhaps, if your willing, you will begin to see just how far left Barry really is. I started out as a skeptic about his intentions, but the evidence doesn't lie. Facts are Facts, regardless of the spin attached. 

I really wish I could apply Occam's razor here and be satisfied. Unfortunately, that is not the case. The media has an agenda and I am not to fond of it. 

Btw, if your interested in learning more about how the media functions, go check out Matthew Sheffield's past posts. He's the executive editor here and I find his post's generally very enlightening.

 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Piffle about Average Joe

Every time a politician points out their friend, "Average Joe",  in a stump speech I cringe.  Somehow this is supposed to lend credibility to the politicians position?

But, this piffle sure does resonate with the people.

Hey 00... Piffle

Hey 00...

Piffle YOU!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

OO7memo, are you serious,

OO7memo,

are you serious, Piffle?  WOW!!! you elites Liberal.....honestly!  wow!

I am sure all Liberals cringe when a politician points out to their friend, "Average Joe", except of course when their god Obama does it....please!

The point is that the media, Liberals, Obama, etc have gone after Joe the Plumber for getting Obama to say what McCain could not get him to say....this has angered the left and they want to destroy him!

This is beyond the politics of destruction, this is an attempt from the left, the media to silence anyone that disagrees with them.  That you are too blind to see this shows that you are a mindless Obamabot!

 

I AM JOE!

 

Not a mindless

Not a mindless obamabot.

Not too emotional about my politics.

And I don't get sentimental about the Average Joe stories that Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin have told throughout this campaign.  I don't think McCain should have used Joe as he did. I don't like it when a candidate points out his or her friend in the audience that has some heart tugging background story, it's all showmanship and pure unadulterated crap.

It also makes me cringe because so many people are taken in by this claptrap.

I don't beleive there's a conspiracy of the left and the media either.

Would that conspiracy be anything like the "vast right wing conspiracy"?

007memo,Well you might

007memo,

Well you might not me too emotional about politics, but you are certainly clueless.

I am unsure why you cringe when any politician, according to you, uses an average joe.

and so many people are taking in by this claptrap?  I believe that the only reason people are taken in by Joe the Plumber and his question to Obama was because of the way Obama answered.

Just so you know, long before McCain talked about Joe the Plumber in the debate, I had e-mailed all of my friends and family about this encounter between Obama and Joe the Plumber.  So don't assume so much.

And you do not have to believe in the "conspiracy" about the media and the left, study, after study, after stuy shows that the media leans to the left.  That is NOT a conspiracy, but pure and utter facts.  Obviously, you need to ignore them so your world view is not shattered.

you just don't get it....it is not about Joe the Plumber, it is not about average joe, it is about OBAMA'S ANSWER!!

you have bought into the left and media's game of pointing at Joe the Plumber while ignoring Obama's answer.  It is much like a magic trick.  The magician will occupy your senses while he does his trick.  No different here.  Obama got caught with his pants down and immediately the media and the left went into defense for their god, how? by trying to destroy a man that dare ask a question of their messiah.

how you can miss this is beyond me. 

 

I don't get sentimental about any average joe used by any candidate, but when an average joe asks a question of a candidate and that candidate gets caught with his pants dow, like it happened to Obama, then I care.  get it yet?  stop pointing your finger at Joe the Plumber and focus on Obama and his answer. 

man, you have fallen for exactly what the media and the left want you to fall.  Don't focuse on Obama and his answer, focus and Joe the Plumber.  Incredible how people are manipulated and they don't even realize they are being manipulated.

 

I AM JOE!

I'll Be back Tomorrow

I wish I could keep my eyes open long enough to respond.

 

Maher Calling Someone a Liar!

Oh, puhleeze. How can a person with an IQ higher than a carrot not laugh uproariously at the thought of Maher calling someone else a liar?

A pathological Pied Piper only taken seriously by the dim bulbs that are attracted by light without heat.

Janine Garofolo comes to mind.