Chris Matthews: News Organizations Are 'Going to Spend Every Nickel They Have' Investigating Rick Perry
MSNBC's Chris Matthews is clearly afraid of Texas governor Rick Perry beating Barack Obama if he becomes the Republican presidential nominee.
On Monday's "Hardball," the host asked the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson, "Do you think the nation's newspapers and the big news organizations are now going to spend every nickel they have sending young people out there to go investigate this guy?" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Your thought about Perry. You’re a political expert, I haven’t had a chance to, is this guy really the Perry on top of this cake right now?
EUGENE ROBINSON, WASHINGTON POST: I think he is a formidable politician. He’s got experience. He's off like gangbusters. He immediately becomes a top tier candidate. And I think at the White House they are having to do recalibration today, and to think about, gee, maybe we will run against Perry instead of running against Romney.
MATTHEWS: You’ve been an editor, for many years the top editor at the Post. Do you think the nation's newspapers and the big news organizations are now going to spend every nickel they have sending young people out there to go investigate this guy?
ROBINSON: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: I think there is going to be a tremendous amount of investigation on this guy.
ROBINSON: Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: He better be clean as a whistle. Time is coming. He’s arrived. The time, the march of time has begun…
ROBINSON: Well, it's hot in here.
MATTHEWS: …for this guy. Anyway, thank you. If you don’t like the heat, stay out of the kitchen, Governor.
Wouldn't it have been nice if Matthews, Robinson, and the rest of their colleagues behaved this way in 2007 and 2008? Maybe if they had, we'd have someone qualified in the White House now.
Instead, having completely abdicated their journalistic responsibilities in order to assist the inexperienced junior senator from Illinois attain the highest office in the land, media members are now going to bring all forces to bear to discredit any serious challengers to ensure his reelection.
This comes days after Matthews was jubilant at the thought of eleven of his twelve regulars on the syndicated program bearing his name claiming it's going to be easier for the Obama campaign to attack Perry than Romney.
With all the time, energy, and money the press are - in Matthews and Robinson's view - willing to spend on investigating the Texas governor, it's a metaphysical certitude the White House will have plenty of ammunition to place in negative ads regardless of veracity or accuracy.
Makes you seriously worry about the future of this nation witnessing such an unholy collusion between the media and our most powerful elected official.
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Comments
So MSNBC is announcing its donations in kind for Obama?
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:25pm.
Any complaints they do on corporate political influences are now null and void. They are using corporate resources to openly support a candidate and the expenses incurred thereupon should be disallowed for tax purposes. Congratulations, Eugie and Tingly, you just openly admitted that.
Will the LSM implode if BHO
Submitted by d1carter on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:30pm.
Will the LSM implode if BHO loses in 2012? They seem to be willing to throw in all their resources to defend him. Just another incentive to send his eminence packing.
Expert
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:31pm.
Here we go with that EXPERT bullshit again. As a recently appointed expert on experts I say this guy Robinson is as full of road apples as Tingles the Racer. Both of these clowns and I mean no disrespect to the humorous, should have LEDS implanted in their foreheads that continually flash: "We love Obama" AS for Rick Perry he can easily handle everything that the Dims can throw at him.
Gee, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:32pm.
... do you think that they will be able to find out where he was born if they spend all that money?
I'll bet if they dig deep enough they'll find out that he hired a Latino or two to do some work in Texas for him.
Maybe if they go really hard, they can find someone who actually remembers him being in school with them at Texas A&M!
Actually, just the fact that he went to A&M and not Harvard or Yale may be enough dirt to bury him.
Save the money. This is too easy.
I are a Aggie.
Submitted by whw on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:16pm.
Class of 72, same as Rick Perry and I do remember him being a Yell Leader.
Because of the rivalry with a university in Austin, Aggies always use the lower case when writing the letters tu (a dig at texas university). In the case of our current president, I prefer to omit the letters entirely and so the POTUS ends up as a POS!!
oBaMa - delete the vowels and that sums up my opinion.
Hey Aggie
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:39pm.
You going to join us in the SEC?
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Great idea, B!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:51am.
Then we could have the Aggie-Gator game!
Ahem...
Submitted by ontheright on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:19am.
...surely you mean The University OF Texas... there, FIFY. :)
And as you get older ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:48am.
... memory is the second thing to go.
As good a reason to forget "tu" as any!!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:50am.
.
Vetting Or Inquisition?
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:39pm.
Just like they did Obama. Right?
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
~Uh oh
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:52pm.
Somebody said Inquisition. Brace yourselves.
Exactly!
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:00pm.
HRT, I'm still waiting for Diane Sawyer to do a full hour interview with Obama's high school pot buddies and coke dealer.
I hear ya' Tug
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:17pm.
They sure investigated the sudden death of Obama's choir buddy, and of course they were downright brutal investigating an alleged extra-marital affair between Barack Obama and Larry Sinclair, the limo driver.
Now, don't get me wrong. At least he didn't have to worry about ol' Larry gettin' "punished with a baby"
Vera Baker?
Submitted by Dan Diego on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:26pm.
Vera Baker?
cmon
Submitted by KornKing on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:03pm.
Someone had to spend a buck on a coke somewhere, didn't they?
Red Barry
Submitted by Eagle101 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:40pm.
I think they should finish investigating Obama first. We still haven't seen BO's college papers. I suspect they will prove BO is a full fledged Communist.. There are only 2 reasons the worlds smartest man wont show his educational records. )1 He's actually a mediocre idiot. )2 He's a commie
mediocre idiot and commie?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:56am.
That's kind of the same thing ain't it, Milkshaker?
Milkshaker? Nice handle. Do I dare ask?
Right, Tingles and Eugene.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:40pm.
Nobody's ever been in Texas before... it's all locked up tighter than a clam's ass.
Which is---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:52pm.
waterproof.
Inquisitive inquisitors from the lib media may well ruin that gift from nature when they get their heads forcibly placed in said orifice.
MD
At least it's warm.
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:59pm.
I suppose the press should be grateful they won't have to descend upon Alaska in the winter this time around. We need a candidate from Death Valley or some other harsh region, so I can laugh knowing some shlubs from the NY Times will have to stand around there, miles away from any cocktail parties.
Leftist Swine...
Submitted by unkeeaf on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:46pm.
The underhanded tactics of our "fair press" on display for all to see. They know the only way to elect, or in this case, re-elect a far-left political hack is to destroy the competition. Make them so unappealing that voters will hold their nose and vote for a President they know to be an absolute failure.
Is this what men and women are laying down their lives to protect? It's absolutely shameful.
Too bad they didn't investigate Obama
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:49pm.
Even a little bit.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave,
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:53pm.
It's possible that someone in the MSM did investigate Obama's background - but for some unknown reason - they just decided not to report the results to the public...
I'd say the possibility of
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:33am.
I'd say the possibility of that is about the same as a cow literally jumping over the moon. :-)
Howard Fineman reeled back in his chair
Submitted by Texndoc on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:49pm.
Did you see the liberal woman who was a "fellow at the Eisenhower Institute" or something? She was about as fair as one could be and when Tingles tee-d up the easy "Oh yeah, Rick Perry does well in the South but would he beat Obama in your state of New Hampshire?" she immediately said "Yes! People are mad!" and Fineman's eyes popped and he looked shocked.
10 years
Submitted by Tjexcite on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:55pm.
Going though all 10 years of e-mail as governor will cause a jobs boom right there.
The Kudos in Alaska go to
Submitted by KornKing on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:05pm.
Sean Parnell, for releasing them in print
outs(what, we have to frikkin' read?)
We haven't seen anything yet
Submitted by lesterwink23 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 8:57pm.
This is just a preview of things to come. Whoever is able to win the GOP nomination can expect to be portrayed as somewhere in between Al .Capone and Saddam Hussein by the "drive-by" media. And jokes like Prissy and Eugene "knee pads for Obama" Robinson will gleefully lead the charge
Wow Chris, if you were this
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:01pm.
Wow Chris, if you were this concerned over Obama's eligability maybe there'd be more people working right now.
Party politics over the good of the nation Chris?
So much for objectivity.
mere dirt won't get it
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:05pm.
The 2012 election will be about change. Perry would have to have bodies buried under his porch for the people to be concerned. Trivial revelations like what he might have said in eighth grade or if he had any driving violations in college won't matter to people who are disgusted at the direction of the country.
Bodies buried under the porch?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:05am.
No way, MA. They could find the entire Mormon Tabernacle Choir buried under his front porch and I'd still vote for him over that RBFSOB in the White House now!
OK. That's probably a bad example. They could find the entire Dallas Cowboy cheerleader squad, and I'd still vote for Perry over Bambi.
Well..........
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:11pm.
Their coffers should be pretty full, having not used a single nickel to investigate anything related to Obama since day one.
Left Wing news media jobs program
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:12pm.
I hope the news media spends millions of dollars investigating Perry. Look how much they have spent investigating Palin and they have come up empty handed.
What would Matthews know
Submitted by Slyrr on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:12pm.
What would Matthews know about any of that? He's been Obama's media whore for years, and his paychecks are signed by Obama himself through GE. He doesn't have to worry about 'spending' money, because he's stealing it from OUR pockets to keep his failed network afloat.
unbelievable
Submitted by michiganruth on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:12pm.
or, more accurately, all too believable.
I love these people who say Fox News is biased. you would never EVER hear a Fox anchor rooting for one candidate over another like this and in such a nasty sort of way.
I still remember Keith Olbermann's pettiness the nite Scott Brown won...to the point where he actually apologized to Arianna Huffington because one of Brown's daughters was named Arianna--I kid you not...
that whole channel just reeks.
hey Comcast! we thought you were going to clean house at Mess-NBC. what happened?
Meanwhile, Rather and Mapes
Submitted by Dan Diego on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:19pm.
Meanwhile, Rather and Mapes are shopping for typewriters made during Perry's college days.
Don't laugh because you
Submitted by brerol on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:41pm.
Don't laugh because you probably gave Axlerod a evil idea.
By Gahd, If the MSM can't find anything on Perry...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:33pm.
...then they'll make stuff up in the name of honorable journalism.
Why not release all of Rick Perry's e-mails from the last 10 years and ask the public for help looking for naughty stuff? What do you mean it's already been done and was an abject failure?
BECAUSE
Submitted by KornKing on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:16pm.
that would require the ability to read
INVESTIGATION -- interesting word choice
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:38pm.
It has a negative connotation. Research would be a better word, if the media was looking at the whole story. But we know they will investigate to find the dirt on Perry.
As was mentioned earlier, had the MSM ever investigated Obama to the degree that they did Palin, Obama may not have won his party's nomination.
Hillary Clinton not only has
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 9:38pm.
Hillary Clinton not only has skeletons in her closet but bodies in the basement. Where's those investigations? How about the 5000 FBI files or the RoseHills papers? Remember Vince Foster? Or Ron Brown?
Or the other deaths associated with the Clintons- why not spend a nickel on those? How about Reid's re-election fraud? How about "Fast & Furious"? How about Obama's selling of oil stock a few weeks before the oil spill in the Gulf, even though tha particular platform was given a safety pass from this administration? How about investigating why we are giving Hamas $4.4 billion dollars in "aid"?
I can go on and on.....
I've got some spare nickels.
For heaven's sake, rbosque...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:24pm.
How soon you forget. The investigations of the Clintons went on and on and on and on--five separate investigations of the Vince Foster "murder" alone--all on the taxpayer's dime. And, in the end, there was really no "there" there.
Jer
Which, of course---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:54pm.
does not alter the fact that both Clinton's were, are, and will always be, sleazeballs.
Par excellence.
MD
Investigated but not
Submitted by ant on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:28pm.
Investigated but not reported.
Huh?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:17am.
Thoroughly investigated and thoroughly reported. The most exhaustively investigated President and First Lady in the nation's history--by far.
Jer
Didn't forget. It's just that
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:16am.
Didn't forget. It's just that the Dems were dragged kicking and screaming and down-played every accusation. None of the real evidence was heard or the crime scenes were professionally scrubbed. In the end no one was guilty of anything, all those crimes were committed by phantoms.
But the networks cried foul at every investigation and cried like babies when the Clintons were under a microsope knowing full well nothing would happen to them.
Are you kidding?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:24am.
The Republicans were in control of Congress and every congressional investigation with full subpoena power from 1994 forward. Every Special Prosecutor/Independent Counsel was a Republican. The NYT and the LAT took the lead in the Whitewater investigations--with the WaPo [which had a relationship with Ken Star] not far behind.
Jer
So you libs---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:29am.
say. (Reply to Jer's 12:17 post)
I remember those times, and though there was a lot published about the Lewinsky mess, I don't recall the in-depth reporting you keep insisting occurred, every time either of the Clinton's are brought up, actually taking place.
I have always admitted to disliking both Slick Willie and the Hildabeast; and I would have been avidly aware of most everything that would have shone a bad light on them.
There was so damn much personal chicanery with those two there is no way it all saw the light of day.
Just because something was not "proven" does not mean it did not happen.
Funny how people who dislike the Clinton's can make it known so easily, but those who worship them won't own up to doing so.
MD
Yep.
Submitted by ant on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 2:02am.
The press seemed to blow off things like Whitewater as, "..really, it's just too complicated to understand or explain..". SNL actually did a skit about that. They were all there for the dancing on the beach, moving rocks, photo-ops though.
Blowing off?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 3:24am.
As I mentioned earlier, the NYT and LAT both conducted extensive investigations launched and reported on regularly BEFORE the '92 election. Newsweek was also running cover stories on Whitewater prior to the election. The RTC likewise carried out a comprehensive inquiry and found no wrongdoing by the Clintons. Republican Robert Fisk investigated Whitewater and Vince Foster, and when the GOP reportedly decided he hadn't been aggressive enough in linking the Clintons to Foster's death, they had him replaced by Starr. Of course, Starr eventually came to the same conclusions about Foster [suicide] as did the National Park Service and the FBI. Dan "Pumpkin" Burton tried his best but failed also. The final SP, Robert Ray, adopted the same findings as did Starr with respect to Whitewater and Foster. While there was misfeasance by several individuals involved in Whitewater which ended in criminal convictions, none of it was tied to the Clintons.
Bill Clinton did indeed engage in a reckless relationship with Monica Lewinsky, was ensnared in a perjury trap set by the attorneys for Paula Jones [whose laughable lawsuit was being financed by a gaggle of Clinton-haters and was declared devoid of legal merit by the presiding judge] which resulted in his testifying falsely at the Jones deposition and in front of a grand jury concerning the Lewinsky affair, thus precipitating his impeachment.
Whitewater was a ludicrous waste of time and money.
Jer
Well, it is good to know, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 3:52am.
that you agree that ol' Slick Willie "did indeed engage in a reckless relationship with Monica Lewinsky"; otherwise your post would have come off as total partisan bullshit proffered by a liberal Democrat.
Actually, it does anyway. :o)
MD
Sorry, Matthew....
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 3:57am.
Facts are facts...even if they sometimes create the illusion of partisanship.
Jer
I know you're sorry,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 4:09am.
now apologize. :o)
Ain't buying into your "facts", Jer.
No way, no how.
Let me ask you something; if you were sitting in a pasture and a white horse walked by, could you state with absolute, factual certainty, that you just saw a white horse?
MD
what I remember
Submitted by Dr. Ron on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:17pm.
The Dem Clintonista attack dogs trying...and at least semi-succeeding...to paint Monica as a crazed stalker and liar...were it not for the blue dress/semen stain, they would have succeeded.
The sending of a WH staffer into the Pentagon so he could commit a federal crime by back-dooring Linda Tripp's personnel file to a friendly reporter...and the media's use of a 20 year old minor deal to smear her...followed by the MD Dems folks trying to put Linda Tripp away for some sort of wiretap/recordng "crime." Oh, yes, the WH operative who committed the federal crime...he was never prosecuted and in fact got a promo, if not an award to go with it. The media using the DNC talking points on Monica and Linda as if they were facts.
All Democratic Senators, in lock-step, refusing to even look at the evidence against Clinton in the second stage..removal from office...of his impeachment; he was impeached in the House.
Clinton's finger-pointing on TV..."I never had sex with that women!" (along with it depends on what the definition of "is" is...
The loss of his lawyer license (albeit only 5 years) for his perjury.
As to Ms. Jones somehow entraping Clinton...well, her version was credible and she did win the lawsuit...did she not?
O, damn, these inconvenient facts...
There are inconvenient facts,
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 2:18pm.
There are inconvenient facts, but very few of which you were able to accurately recount. Make no mistake. Clinton was the victim of his own inexcusable conduct.
However, Linda Tripp's probable illicit recording of phone conversations with Lewinsky was the catalyst leading to Clinton's downfall. Tripp delivered the tapes to Starr and also to the Jones' attorneys, both actions at the urging of the conservative activist Lucianne Goldberg. Jones' attorneys used the information from the tapes and from additional conversations with Tripp--who was granted immunity by Starr--to set the perjury trap to be sprung during Clinton's deposition.
Jones didn't "win" her lawsuit. Frankly, it was a joke and was thrown out by the judge on a motion for summary judgment because she couldn't show any damages. The ruling was under appeal when Clinton's concealment of the Lewinsky affair was revealed, and he eventually agreed to pay 850G to put an end to the litigation. Of course, the judge also imposed additional sanctions against Clinton because of his contempt of court.
Jer
probably illegal? $850K is not a win?
Submitted by Dr. Ron on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 10:41am.
Probably illegal...joke phrase. What was illegal was Ken Bacon sending a federal employees personel file to a repoter.let us parse that...
Gee, $850 K to Ms. Jones is not a win? Then, what is...and, as you noted, Clinton did commit perjury
Yes Dr. Ron...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 08/17/2011 - 11:17am.
In Maryland, recording the phone calls of another without the latter's consent is illegal, but there is a requirement that the accused be aware of the illegality [and there was evidence that Tripp did indeed possess such knowledge] but it was never established in court because the prosecutor dismissed the indictment against Tripp after the judge suppressed Lewinski's testimony--which rendered the case virtually impossible to prosecute. No joke.
It wasn't a win for Jones on the merits of the case. The only ruling on the substantive issues went against Jones. Clinton agreed to pay 850G as part of an effort to end the litigation which obviously had become a legal, political and PR nightmare. Only a fraction of that amount was received by Jones.
Clinton obstructed justice, was in contempt of court, and swore falsely, although perjury--for which there are very strict criteria which must be satisfied--was never clearly established. It's a debatable issue with plausible arguments on both sides of the question.
Jer
Bull
Submitted by Injest on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 6:07am.
"when the GOP reportedly decided he hadn't been aggressive enough in linking the Clintons to Foster's death, they had him replaced by Starr."
Bull!, Your full of it Buckey!
Special Prosecutor Attorney General Janet Reno appointed Fiske as the special prosecutor" to investigate the Whitewater controversy and the death of White House Counsel Vincent Foster in January 1994
Did ya get that Jer? Special Prosecutor worked FOR the DOJ, clear?
“when the GOP reportedly decided he hadn't been aggressive enough”
Bull!
On the same day that Fiske released his interim report, President Clinton signed the Independent Counsel Reauthorization Act of 1994, abolishing the position of Special Prosecutor and replacing it with the position of Independent Counsel.
Did ya get that Jer?
When Clinton signed the law eliminating the position of Special Prosecutor, the person in that job no longer had that job, not because he “hadn't been aggressive enough”, he lost that job because the job no longer existed!
“they had him replaced by Starr”
BULL!
The Independent Counsel It was the DOJ's “Special Division” that had sole authority to select Independent Counsels. The “Special Division” worked directly FOR the DOJ! In this case Janet Reno! To dumb it down, the Independent Counsel worked for the DOJ Attorney General , or Janet Reno who worked for Clinton!
Did ya get that Jer? I'm sure the rest of your allegations are just as accurate as your “when the GOP reportedly decided he hadn't been aggressive enough in linking the Clintons to Foster's death, they had him replaced by Starr.”
Try again, Ace...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:08pm.
Following Vince Foster's death in 1993, political pressure mounted in Washington for an independent investigation into Whitewater-Madison. The Clinton administration then turned over documents to the Justice Department including the files found in Foster's office. In January 1994, in order to stave off ever-mounting criticism from his political foes, President Clinton reluctantly asked Attorney General Janet Reno to appoint a special counsel. Reno chose former U.S. Attorney Robert B. Fiske of New York, a moderate Republican.
Two months later, further controversy arose with the sudden resignation of Associate Attorney General Webster L. Hubbell, after allegations were raised concerning his conduct while he was a member of the Rose Law Firm. Following his resignation, friends of President Clinton arranged about $700,000 in income for Hubbell just as he was coming under scrutiny by Whitewater investigators. The President's close friend, Vernon Jordan, an influential Washington lawyer, was among those aiding Hubbell.
By the summer of 1994, the House and Senate Banking committees both began hearings concerning Whitewater and eventually called 29 Clinton administration officials to testify.
In August, Robert Fiske's tenure as special Whitewater counsel came to an abrupt end amid charges from conservatives that he simply was not aggressive enough in investigating Bill and Hillary Clinton. On August 5, 1994, following the renewal of the independent counsel law, the three-judge panel responsible for appointing independent counsels replaced Fiske with staunch Republican Kenneth W. Starr, a former Justice Department official in the Reagan administration, and federal appeals court judge and solicitor general in the Bush administration.
source.
Did you get that, Injest?
Brush up on your Whitewater homework, and then get back to me.
Starr vs Fiske
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:31pm.
not trying to interfere but wanted to throw this in because such a mess was created by the politicians and the media that very little actual truth or justice was ever served regardless of who you think did what: "The court's order does not explicitly empower Starr to re-examine the death of Foster as Fiske's charter did but it does give him authority to investigate any future allegations that the Administration might have tried to interfere with the Whitewater criminal investigation."
LA Times is not exactly a Conservative or middle of the road paper and while they noted Starr's political and legal connections, one of which should have prevented him from being named as 'Independent' if true the Times didn't state that Fiske's removal nor Starr's appointment had anything to do with political pressure but there is evidence that it was possible though the given reason was to remove the obvious conflict of interest with Fiske working for Reno.
IMO, there was a lot of editorials passed off as reporting on what caused the change in investigators but the facts are that a change needed to be made but the change didn't have to be to someone with a history in legal matters against the Clintons. The only people who can answer why the change was made are the three judge panel and they have given their reason - anything else would be opinion.
Agnostic...my recollection is as follows and could be
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:59pm.
in error on some of the details.
The OIC did not exist at the time Clinton agreed to the appointment of a Special Prosecutor, but he thought the designation of Fiske would quell the burgeoning accusations of Whitewater impropriety as well as any complicity in the death of Vince Foster--or at the very least muffle the claims of a cover-up. Fiske's investigation was commenced prior to the '94 midterms which swept the Dems out of Congress. To the dismay of the Clinton critics, Fiske's interim reports tended to exonerate the Clintons with regard to the more serious Whitewater allegations and likewise affirmed the already-completed investigations which concluded Foster's death was a suicide.
The anti-Clinton partisan fever which had recently dealt the President a crushing electoral blow was hardly cooled by a Prosecutor issuing reports generally favorable to the Clintons. Citing the appearance of a conflict of interest, the Congressional Republicans and their media allies began intense lobbying for a reinstatement of the Independent Counsel law which eventuated in the appointment of Starr, who, if I remember correctly, did in fact reignite the investigation ab initio--which resulted in wasting months of work and approximately 9mil already expended by the Fiske team--only to ultimately reach the same material conclusions as his [Starr's] predecessor.
Jer
You are presenting inconsistencies, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:41pm.
GOP, or conservatives, that felt Fiske was not aggressive enough in investigating Bill and Hillary Clinton.
They are not one and the same; which group was it?
Reno picked Fiske, a "moderate" Republican, and a three judge panel picked Starr, a "staunch" Republican.
Nothing at all unusual about that particular labeling; other than the possible intent behind stressing moderate versus staunch, which I'm sure was an oversight rather than part of a politically slanted bit.
MD
The Need for Proper Vetting
Submitted by IrateNate on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:05pm.
There are several aspects of Governor Perry's shady past that should be investigated:
These issues must be investigated. We can't afford to have just any lying sack of crap run our country, now can we? You'll get right on that, won't you Chris? That would be great....
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Submitted by MrShy on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:28am.
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After Perry Wins...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:06pm.
After Perry wins the Presidency, I hope he launches an all out investigation of the media and their ties to the Communist Democrats and all their crooked donors.
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
He wont, he will pretend
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:13pm.
They are fair, and make excuses for them.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:23pm.
Really, like something like that would or could ever happen. No, it's up to the MRC and NB to do that all out investigation.
Genius
Submitted by FishFace222 on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 10:18pm.
Man Crissy, you are a genius. How would you come up with a theory like that? You make my leg tingle--or may something else tinkle.
MSM...running dogs for dems
Submitted by Dr. Ron on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:02pm.
I formerly thought the MSM with their lack of real education credentials and their hard -left orientation were simply useful idiots, a la Lenin. But, they are really running dogs (Chinese communist-speak for lackey or tool).
Of course, the media should have a lot of money left from their non-existent investigations of Obama ..altho it must cost some money to take the daily WH fax and xerox it so all the reporters/commentators/writers/pundits/operatives /strategists et al have it to push through every media megaphone...ceaslessly.
The misinformation effect is powerful and used daily by Dem/Lib cabal
The press is going to vet a candidate?
Submitted by pbthinker on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:10pm.
I'll be really impressed if the media actually vets Perry. Personally, I doubt they'll do much more than rehash all the Democrats opposition research and will do little hunting on their own. If they do hunt, it will be at the behest of some Democrat operative.
No one should have a problem
Submitted by brerol on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:14pm.
No one should have a problem with the press scrutinizing the hell out of Perry. After all he might be our next president. But for Mathews to make that point (threat) is laughable. This is the same guy who was the road grader for Obama in 2008.
Don't forget the coin return slots on pay telephones!
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 08/15/2011 - 11:51pm.
"Chris Matthews: News Organizations Are 'Going to Spend Every Nickel They Have' Investigating Rick Perry
To investigate just one candidate? Man, their fortunes really must have fallen on hard times! If they're still short, I suggest they look behind their sofa cushions, behind their car seats, and the bottom of their clothes hampers for that very last elusive nickel.
Yeah, the media should have lot of nickels left...
Submitted by Bill Brasky on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:19am.
because they didn't spend a freakin' penny to investigate Obama in 2008.
Andrea “Black ink on white paper” Mitchell
Submitted by Injest on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:16am.
To be fair they did spend one afternoon looking for a single example of a successful bill/law judgment program of Obama and came up snake eyes.
I'm sure MSNBC crack investigative reporter Andrea “Black ink on white paper” Mitchell (nothing gets past Andrea) will be all over the 11 years of public records trying to find those boxes, packed with single spaced, black ink on white paper public records of info that has never been a matter of public record!
It's automatic that ANY
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 1:43am.
It's automatic that ANY Republican candidate will get the full eyes, ears, nose, throat, and anal exam from the MSM. And if they can't find what they're looking for, they'll MAKE IT UP!!! And they'll sell it as factual, just to put the candidate on the defensive, and scam all of the stupid voters who never bother to pay attention to anything beyond the soundbites or the headlines........
I don't think that the Republican candidate should bother talking to ANY of these guys..........becuase it's NOT going to matter at the end of the day. So screw 'um.......................it'll only make them more loony and delusional, which is quite entertaining it itself.
And as for any of these MSM types who 'might have known' something about Boy Barry...........I'd bet against it, to tell you the truth. If they're anything like my ultra-lib brother (who lives like a conservative and is pro-military), or other Obama Kool-Aid drinkers - they didn't even want to KNOW about anything that wasn't in their little 'hoax and chains' fantasy.
No one needed to investigate Obama to know the type of...
Submitted by jawebster1 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 2:54am.
person he was and is. All one needed to know is the type of people he associated with his entire life. The media knew all this, but because they agreed with his far left politics, they soft peddled his mother's far leftist influence, his mentor's far leftist influence while growing up in Hawaii (Frank something or other) and with his association in Chicago with the wierdo Rev. Wright. They also ignored his association with the terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn among others. The moral to this story is, the media will knock itself out to make Republicans look bad, whether they are or not, but they will barely report the shortcomings of their friends, the Democrats.
In spite of the media reporting, I knew Obama was no good from the first day I heard about him, just like I knew Bill Clinton was no good when I read about his draft dodging escapade. The media did a much better job in hiding the shortcomings of JFK. At least we had hints of the shortcomings of Clinton and Obama, but no one ever knew of his sordid secret life until long after he was assassinated.
Yeah, Jim, I'm not saying
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 2:59am.
Yeah, Jim, I'm not saying that they didn't know something..........or a few things........but, like you said, they chose to 'soft peddle' it, plus they convinced themselves that it wasn't important enough to take it further.........since they were all caught up in the 'hoax and chains', and they were also complicit in running the scam that is Obama.
The guy here in Hawaii was Frank James, I think.........a known 'fellow traveler', and friends with Barry's so-called father and other commies - including a young Neil Abercrombie - a putrid little cretin that I refer to as Uber-Commie - who just so happens to be our Governor now!!! I was at UH when this little hippie SDS/commie type was a cab driver and a rabble-rouser...........I used to see him around the campus - 'organizing'!!! What is WITH this friggin' 'organizing', anyway??? I've got a brain, and I know how to use it............what kind of people need to submit to being 'organized'???? Especially by the likes of Boy Blah-Blah??? I wouldn't give that useless twerp the time of day............
And, seriously..........if you checked out his 'books'...........what kind of person would you have to be to support him??? I told libs that I knew about Barama being endorsed by the communist and socialist parties of the USA.......and the DIDN'T want to hear about it - including my brother!!!!!
Investigating Perry???
Submitted by crimsonspark on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 2:48am.
Isn't this similar to catching a burgular but putting the police on trial?
Chrissie knows that his man crush's head
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 6:09am.
is on the chopping block. So does the rest of the MSM and liberal contingent. We have taken away their momentum and their ability to govern after the 2010 elections. They can either compromise or go home and start campaigning. We see that Obamao has already made his choice.
The lametsream fate is now tied to
Submitted by 10ksnooker on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:16am.
OblameO's fate. They did it, the final solution is in place as progressives now have to march the march of abject failure. The lamestream has no choice, but to die for OblameO
Near 75 years in the making of 'take down America', You want a hoot, read the book "The Death of Conservatism". Substitute Liberalism for Conservatives, perfect fit. What a laugh riot.
Perry will surely welcome this scrutiny...
Submitted by ontheright on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:17am.
...Bill White and goons gave it his best shot and we see what happened.
rick perry in iowa
Submitted by rightwinghawk on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 8:45am.
I attended Rick Perry's appearance at the Iowa State Fair on Monday. It was the first time I'd seen him and hadn't really formed any opinion of the guy. Perry absolutely hit it out of the park. He is charming, smart, funny and quick on his feet. I told some friends that MSNBC would be giggling about him and was I ever right. Matthews immediately called for pograms against Perry and anybody close to him. The Morning Joe crowd was giggling and even laughing out loud today about the Texas governor. Perry clearly scares the wits out of these people. I suspect he welcomes their lame "investigations." The clowns in New York media operations don't know it, but Americans have written them off. This crowd's bias and incompetence have made them irrelevant "out here" in Iowa and the rest of the America Mike Barnicle pretends to know and understand.
Matthews: "Do you think the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:31am.
Matthews: "Do you think the nation's newspapers and the big news organizations are now going to spend every nickel they have sending young people out there to go investigate this guy?"
Another Matthews double-standard for he never asked such a question about Barack Obama OR Hillary Clinton. Typical from Tingles the Clown.
Doing their job
Submitted by locomotivebreath1901 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 9:50am.
"News Organizations Are 'Going to Spend Every Nickel They Have' Investigating Rick Perry"
Yup. Seems fair, 'cause back in 2008 they were all over Obama like flies on dog squeeze; vetting him like no one's bidnez...
Earlier today I heard an
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:35am.
Earlier today I heard an audio clip from this where Tingles started babbling incoherently. He literally turned into a blithering idiot!
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Chris Matthews: The Joy Behar of MSNBC.
Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
Bet the Big News won't mention Perry's secret getaway to
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:45am.
Europe to attend a secret Bilderberg meeting. They certainly won't say nary a word about Perry's support for the NAFTA super highway.http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8505-texas-corridor-developer-in-danger-of-default
They "mainstream" gate keepers will delve into the politician's evangelical connections and perhaps mention that Perry once tried to make the Lone Star State as blue as a Texas blue bonnet when he campaigned for Al "ozone man" Gore. Maybe?
His "write-in" campaign in the Iowa straw poll shows he is weak among traditional conservatives who don't trust RINOs.
The hypocrisy of Chris Mathews
Submitted by NotFondOfLibs on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:57am.
So Chris Mathews says Rick Perry better be clean as a whistle? Just like Obama? Mathews is such a joke, he is past being pathetic. Where was Mathews' concern with Obama's background when this dufus announced his candidacy? Does he really think the American people would have voted for someone who socialized with known domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorne? Does he think the American people would have voted for someone who voted "present" 130 times in the Illinois State Senate?
But somehow the lamestream
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:18pm.
But somehow the lamestream media didn't feel it was worth their while to conduct such an inquisition against their "Magic Negro" inexperienced candidate in 2007-2008
Investigate?
Submitted by PaleHorse on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 4:15pm.
Who needs to "investigate" Perry? He wears his idiocy on his sleeve. No need to dig, he'll lay it all out for you in an easy to follow fashion. Just take his most recent comments about hanging Bernanke for treasonous behavior? Pretty aggressive (and stupid). Not the type of thing you want to hear from a man angling for the highest office in the land.
Even Podhorez found fault with his impulsive comments: "He’s trying to be the next president, and he needs to be judged on that standard. What Perry did was make a thoughtless blunder, an unforced error; we’re now going to spend a couple of days discussing whether he was summoning violence on Ben Bernanke’s head or not, which is of absolutely no use to Perry. He is, or was, moments away from becoming the race’s frontrunner, and what is in his interest is to harness the excitement of his late entry with qualities of leadership and control that will rally the majority of Republicans unhappy with the choices facing them to his side. Rick Perry made that more difficult today; this was a serious rookie mistake on the national stage." http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/08/15/perry-bernanke-treason-2/
Not a great start. What's the over / under on him bowing out of the primary?
worship
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 4:24pm.
Who will the liberals worship when Obama is gone? The Kennedys are no longer with us, one of the Clintons could ascend but my guess is they will look toward someone blessed by Obama and paid for by Soros.