Maddow Flat Out Lies About S&P’s Downgrade Explanation: 'Not Because There's Too Much Debt'
As NewsBusters previously reported, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow was rewarded for lying about Rush Limbaugh on her program Thursday by getting a guest appearance on Sunday's "Meet the Press."
The top brass at NBC should be pleased with their decision for Maddow proceeded to thoroughly misrepresent the reasons Standard and Poor's gave for downgrading America's debt Friday (video follows with transcript and commentary):
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: I mean, the, the downgrade message whatever you think of S&P, they mentioned the need for increased revenues and for revenues being on the table three separate times. They absolutely indicted the fashionable intransigence of the Republican Party right now in Washington. And there's a question about whether or not there will be a change in fashion, whether or not that will be a sort of wakeup call that the parties need to work together rather than the Republicans' fashion right now, which is that any deal is a bad deal.
DAVID GREGORY, HOST: Alex.
ALEX CASTELLANOS, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Oh, where to begin? I don't think Republicans are saying any deal is a bad deal. But when you look at what these rating agencies are all saying, Standard & Poor's or not, is that we can't continue to maintain an unsustainable level of debt. And these Republicans in the Congress are saying how can you grow an economy when you have to service an unfathomably growing amount of debt? And so they put their foot down on that. And the problem is not Republican intransigents, I think the problem is balance, as the president likes to call for. We have balance. We have Republican intransigence and "We have to stop spending," and Democrat intransigents that "We must continue to keep spending." That's why we got nothing done.
GREGORY: But we...
MADDOW: That's not why S&P says they downgraded us, though. S&P says, "The downgrade was motivated by all the debate about raising of the debt ceiling. It involved a level of brinksmanship greater than what we had expected." That's why they say they downgraded us. Not because there's too much debt, but rather that Washington is not working.
Toward the end of the segment, Maddow reiterated this stupidity:
MADDOW: Let's take them on their word about why they did this. They said they did this because of brinksmanship over the debt ceiling. They did not say they did this because there's too much government spending.
GREGORY: All right. Let's, let...
MADDOW: They said they did this because of Republicans holding the debt...
CASTELLANOS: Because of the debt.
MADDOW: No. The debt ceiling. Brinksmanship...
CASTELLANOS: Yeah, but the debt ceiling is the ceiling...
MADDOW: ...is their word.
Really? Well, why don't we look at the official statement S&P released Friday to discern the truth?
Here is the complete overview (emphasis added throughout to demonstrate just how wrong Maddow was):
Overview
· We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to 'AA+' from 'AAA' and affirmed the 'A-1+' short-term rating.
· We have also removed both the short- and long-term ratings from CreditWatch negative.
· The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.
· More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.
· Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon.
· The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to 'AA' within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case.
Please observe the word "debt" is mentioned three times in that overview. Notice too that S&P cautions about "less reduction in spending."
Now, let's go back to what Maddow said, namely, "That's why they say they downgraded us. Not because there's too much debt, but rather that Washington is not working...They did not say they did this because there's too much government spending."
Is that what you see, or what Maddow made up? Let's look deeper into the press release:
Rationale
We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the general government debt burden by the middle of the decade.
Our lowering of the rating was prompted by our view on the rising public debt burden, and our perception of greater policymaking uncertainty, consistent with our criteria (see "Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions," June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41).
So, right up front in its rationale, and quite contrary to what Maddow said, S&P indicated that "further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending...is less likely than we previously assumed."
In addiition, "Our lowering of the rating was prompted by our view on the rising public debt burden."
Again, this is in stark contrast to what Maddow falsely asserted Sunday, as was this:
Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions," June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).
And a little further in:
When comparing the U.S. to sovereigns with 'AAA' long-term ratings that we view as relevant peers--Canada, France, Germany, and the U.K.--we also observe, based on our base case scenarios for each, that the trajectory of the U.S.'s net public debt is diverging from the others. Including the U.S., we estimate that these five sovereigns will have net general government debt to GDP ratios this year ranging from 34% (Canada) to 80% (the U.K.), with the U.S. debt burden at 74%. By 2015, we project that their net public debt to GDP ratios will range between 30% (lowest, Canada) and 83% (highest, France), with the U.S. debt burden at 79%. However, in contrast with the U.S., we project that the net public debt burdens of these other sovereigns will begin to decline, either before or by 2015.
Please remember that Maddow went on the nation's highest rated broadcast television Sunday talk show claiming that S&P said Friday's downgrade was "[n]ot because there's too much debt, but rather that Washington is not working."
Although the credit rating agency did indeed talk about Washington politics and how it relates to this issue, the focus of its press release on this matter was indeed debt which was mentioned 28 times in this report.
This is, after all, a credit rating agency, not a political analysis think tank.
Something else Maddow misrepresented was the importance of revenues in S&P's analysis saying, "They mentioned the need for increased revenues and for revenues being on the table three separate times."
Isn't it fascinating how Maddow notices the word "revenues" mentioned three times but completely missed the 28 references to "debt?"
But here's something else she missed: "Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."
Indeed, for S&P's concern is debt, and however we reduce the velocity of its growth is irrelevant to the credit ratings agencies regardless of the liberal media's singular focus on tax hikes.
As for Maddow, she once again proved herself to be so overcome with her biases that she is completely incapable of truthfully reporting the facts in a critical eight page analysis.
That this kind of negligence is tolerated on MSNBC is one thing, but for the folks at NBC News to allow her to come on their flagship Sunday political talk show disseminating easily refutable lies is truly disturbing.
Exactly why are so-called journalists allowed to misrepresent the truth to the public when people in every other profession in this nation lose their jobs for doing so?
The folks at Comcast and General Electric are certainly aware of this for every employee at all of their other divisions has a code of conduct regulating such behavior.
Why are people employed by NBC News and MSNBC exempt?
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Comments
Now we know where the Global Warming is coming from!
Submitted by FastEd on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 5:53pm.
Think of it - all those pants on fire! And it's the libs who are doing the lying, no surprise there.
"We the People . . " Hey, congress - I'm one of the people - start listening!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Well the S&P reasoned, "...
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 5:59pm.
Well the S&P reasoned, "... the political confusion surrounding the process of raising the debt ceiling, and lack of confidence that the political system will be able to agree to more DEFICIT REDUCTION."
But in any case, if it is indeed the Tea Party's fault as many Dems are ranting about then why is Obama accusing the S&P of using bad math? Why the desperation to minimalize it? If it is our fault, then he'll have to prove it, and of course he can't.
He'll have to prove it...
Submitted by TheHistorian on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:24pm.
You are REALLY naive. Did he have to prove that the cops were the bad guys when the black prof broke into his own home? Did he have to prove that his budget would erase the deficit? How about all of the other "pants on fire" on politifact? Here are his statistics: Obama's statements by ruling Click on the ruling to see all of Obama's statements for that ruling. True78 Mostly True72 Half True74 Mostly False41 False49 Pants on Fire4
Joe the Biden has a similar record:
George W. Bush has many fewer statements, but none that are false or pants on fire.
Dennis Prager
Sunday morning game
Submitted by zenman1661 on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:24pm.
I just love watching the Sunday morning talk shows, seeing incidents like the one chronicled here, cursing at the TV and then checking in with News Busters throughout the day to see their reliable response to set the record straight. I also sent an email to Politifact to check her claim.
What's really sad
Submitted by Optionyout on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:10pm.
What is really sad is there are mllions of folks on the left that believe her religiously no matter what stupid nonsense she says. They would go to the mat to defend the truth of this preposterous statement and back their defense with name calling rather than facts.
Day by day, hour to hour, minute by minute...............
Submitted by djwolf12 on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:20pm.
Rachel Madcow is starting to resemble Peyton Manning. Just an observation..........
WTF did Peyton Ever do to You?
Submitted by donabernathy on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:54pm.
Roflmao
More like
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-YMrzW8GDwvw/Ti7na_toqPI/AAAAAAAANNU/i_I5recbfAg/Fa...
You're right, dj
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:55pm.
She does sort of resemble him.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I always thought Rage-hell Madcow looked like...
Submitted by drsamherman on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 10:30pm.
...Alfred E. Neuman after the ear-bob was done.
Ralph Madcow's nose...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:21pm.
...just grows and grows.
millions
Submitted by grammajane on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:28pm.
Don't think millions watch her so-called show. Think last week she came in last while Fox took the top five. Think the one below her was that Pierce guy on cnn. Her apology to Rush was the poorest excuse yet, heard on nbc from all who are forced to do so or take a week off with no pay. Soon they will run out of "hosts" Maybe Joe, the greatest VP in history, could fill in
That is how she conducts
Submitted by buddyc on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:30pm.
That is how she conducts herself. Her opening statement is untrue and the entire remainder of her show or presentation is indicting and convicting republicans over her false premise.
I glad someone else beside me caught this. I got banned from HP for pointing out she was lying. S&P specifically says raise revenue or cut. It does not choose one over the other.
Yes, this is her true colors.
Submitted by djwolf12 on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:39pm.
Also, it seems like it is every episode now, she has for be forced to give an on-air apology for something false she convicted a Republican of doing the day before. She, and her staff obviously don't believe in checking reliable sources. They rely on the same old crap sources....MMFA, Think Progress, Gawker, Firedoglake, The Center for American Progress, Crooksandliars, and the Daily Kooks. Speaking of the Daiky Kooks, M.S.S.R. (MSLSD) is the ONLY "news" outlet to actually use that website's polls and present them as facts. Madcow, Ed "Wrong Way" Schultz, Tingles, and the failed (and fired) False Murrow formerly at 8pm used to try and convince their audience that it was a mainstream poll. MY FOOT!
defense of obama
Submitted by MidAmerica on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:40pm.
You know the defense of obama is getting to be very difficult when his defenders have moved from spinning events to make him look good to needing to outright lie about the issues.
Their backs are to the wall and they are desperate. None of their ideas are working and the clock is against them.
Edgar Allen Poe's Dream Within a Dream sums up the frustration of the Left:
I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep- while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
Jeebus
Submitted by donabernathy on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:47pm.
If they ain't gonna respect da Constitution why would ya expect them to respect Facts.
roflmao
I bet Obama is kicking himself in the ass
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:48pm.
for picking Jay Carney over Maddow.
When it comes to spinning, he's a rank amateur compared to her.
Er, Ritchie, we are now over $132 trillion in overall debt
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 6:48pm.
That is more than the GDP of the entire friggin' solar system.
Just exactly at what point will it be too much?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Republican 'strategist' Alex Castellanos is a disappointment.
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 8:23pm.
Castellanos, the only member of the panel who is on the right, could have easily countered Maddow's lies by pointing out the sections of the S&P statement that Noel highlighted. He could have topped it off with a knock out punch by pointing out the 28 references to "debt". Alex Castellanos, knowing the main topic would be the S&P downgrade, and knowing that the other leftist panelist would emphasize "revenue", was clearly unprepared. I would wager that he didn't even read the S&P summary.
In a way, I'm not surprised that Castellanos was unprepared. The Leftist media has a habit of selecting "Republican strategists" who are less than adequate representatives of our side.
Yo Rush Fan:
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 9:55pm.
In a way, I'm not surprised that Castellanos was unprepared. The Leftist media has a habit of selecting "Republican strategists" who are less than adequate representatives of our side.
You nailed it!
Jerry.....
Submitted by Rush Fan on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 8:46pm.
Thanks!
What's more,
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 7:56pm.
according to MSLSD this is their "most intelligent, best researched" talking head. Tells you everything you need to know about the network, doesn't it?
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Madcow is a terrible disease!!!
Submitted by freedomguardian on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 9:13pm.
Stop the stupid, it burns!!!
She's no longer #1 or #2 at MSNBC
Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 9:34pm.
In fact, last I saw she was now running behind Tingles and Crazy Larry. Hannity is crushing her in the ratings. She wears thin and even the left I've seen criticizing her smarminess.
Flag Pole
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 9:53pm.
Madcow is no different from most of the elected Liberals. She makes absurb statements and lies (runs it up the flag pole). If she does not get overwhelmed with negative response then she makes a more outlandish statement. If over whelmed she makes a half-donkey apology. Either way she feeds those morons that watch her show.
If Rachel says it, it's true.
Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 10:18pm.
motherbelt's axiom applies:
Liberals know the truth. The facts are a conspiracy.
No No No!!!!!
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 10:37pm.
Huge debt never prompts a downgrade of credit. Matter of fact, the bigger the debt, the more solid your credit. Credit agencies really like when they look at your debt and notice that the number is bigger than the number of all the stars ever imagined in the universe.
Thanks for nothing, Reid!
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:10pm.
"More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011."
That's not surprising, considering that the Democrats in the Senate has BLOCKED the passage of an actual budget two years running. NO ONE can make accurate, necessary, credit predictions based upon nothing, and nothing is just what the Senate Democrats have produced in the terms of fiscal planning. HOW can anyone know how much money the government will need to borrow when they don't how much money the government is going to spend? This is YOUR FAULT, Reid, and the rest of the Obstructionist Senate Democrats!
You want to upgrade our credit rating? Fine, then I suggest you PASS A BUDGET so S&P has something in which to calculate credit need! THAT'S the true reason our rating was downgraded. S&P has no idea what the government needs in credit. All they know is that you plan to spend more, but no one is sure just how much more as you refuse to put out a BUDGET! Based upon that fact, I'd downgrade your credit too!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Wow, she's really dumb
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 12:13am.
Someone needs to tell Ron Reagan Jr., errrr Rachel Maddow that the S&P is a credit rating agency, not a "brinksmanship" rating agency. The USA's ability to pay its debt has been marginalized in the opinion of S&P.. that's the take-home message. "Brinksmanship" was brought about because Obama & Co. was unwilling to cut the necessay $4 trillion needed to maintain AAA status.
The Chinese Disagree With Kerry and Maddow
Submitted by boscokraft on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 12:34am.
See the Drudge report headline tonight: The Chinese said "No more borrowing". We need to address our spending on military and social programs. Its easay to say you are going to borrow more money, but from who??? Martians?????
Looks like the blame on the tea party will be short lived. What will the libs do now that the world community wants us to live within our means????
Self-Loathing, Loopy, Lying Lesbian
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 6:26am.
Dear Randy,
Why must you constantly lie? Do you hate yourself so much that you can't bear the truth on ANY topic?
Also, I love the "knowing" smirks and the lip-smacks when one of the panelists says something you don't agree with.
What's next? Will you put on an Olberman mask and wiggle your Groucho eyebrows?
You are a hideous, boyish troll who is so desperate for attention that you lie repeatedly to get it. Now that there is no more Air America for you to fail on, we get to watch you embarrass yourself on msnbc every night. But I don't think this venue is really working out for you, so I have a suggestion....
Maybe you and Jeanine Garafolo can start a show on Lifetime network about your lesbian lifestyle.
The Obamination... A crisis leading to a catastrophe..(please donate to MRC)
US debt was just downgraded
Submitted by inquiringmind on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 9:29am.
And from Obama we hear...
We'll be hearing plenty from Obama on the downgrade
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 08/08/2011 - 9:47am.
Once somebody tells him what to say.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November