Sen. Kerry Asks Media to Stop Giving 'Equal Time or Equal Balance' to 'Absurd' Tea Party Ideas
Last week, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said conservative views about the debt ceiling should be censored from news reports.
On Friday's "Morning Joe," Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) took this a step further calling on media to stop giving "equal time or equal balance" to Tea Party ideas that people like him consider "absurd" and "not factual" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
SENATOR JOHN KERRY (D-MASSACHUSETTS): The bottom line is that what we need to do, and I, I, I am, I feel very strongly about this, you know, we’ve got to step up and start dealing with facts and with reality. And too many people in Congress are making up their own facts, and too many people are avoiding this reality and pretending that the only thing you need to deal with is the debt and deficit.
The real truth is America faces a long-term structural debt. I think I even heard you say this, Joe, a little bit, it’s not the immediate cuts. In fact, the cuts for next year are about $22 billion. The cuts the year after are about $44 billion. We can deal with that. But what people are looking at is the absence of a willingness to try to really deal with America’s twofold long problem. One, the structural deficit on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and two, the lack of job creation, a flat economy, an economy that frankly needs stimulus and needs a growth plan.
So, in Kerry’s view, “Too many people in Congress are making up their own facts, and too many people are avoiding this reality and pretending that the only thing you need to deal with is the debt and deficit.”
As such, folks that don'’t believe in Keynesian economics - that don't think government spending can solve rising unemployment - and instead believe runaway deficits and spiraling debt are the real threat to our nation’s future are “making up their own facts” and are “avoiding” reality.
That in of itself is fine for a politician to think and to posit. However, what Kerry said moments later should really concern Americans on both sides of the aisle:
KERRY: We have to change the minds of those people in the House of Representatives who have appropriately focused on the deficit and debt, but who have completely inappropriately left out any kind of plans whatsoever for how you create jobs and grow America. I mean we literally, I mean everybody’s talked about it. Yes, the Congress was taken hostage, the country, the economy was taken hostage. You had people there who were literally ready to cut the baby in half. I mean, I’ve heard a lot of criticism of the President. Frankly, the President had no choice here. Congress had no choice here. We did the same thing the President had to do which is save America from a default, because a default would have been far more disastrous.
What Kerry, his Party, and his President could have done was actually create a budget – either this year or last year – that incorporated a debt ceiling increase which would have completely prevented this so-called crisis.
For the past several weeks, Democrats and their media minions have accused the Right, and in particular the Tea Party, of manufacturing this crisis.
If Kerry is truly concerned about facts and reality, he would accept responsibility for having for almost two and a half years not offered a budget while refusing to allow Congressman Paul Ryan’s (R-Wisc.) proposal to be voted on in the Senate.
It is indeed such failure on the part of Democrats and the President that brought America to the brink of having to default on some of its commitments this week.
But Kerry isn’t really concerned with facts or reality. Instead, he’s interested in presenting a skewed view of the world, and he wants the media to assist him:
KERRY: And what we had was a group of people who are completely unaware or didn’t care about the consequences of their actions. They were actually arguing for a default which would have been even more catastrophic with respect to what’s happening in Europe and what’s happening here at home now. So we have to break that, and I have to tell you, I say this to you politely: the media in America has a bigger responsibility than it's exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual, it doesn't deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of, of what's real, of who's accountable, of who is not accountable, of who's real, who isn't, who's serious, who isn't?
For those that have forgotten, this is exactly what Krugman wrote last week, and it is truly scary stuff: there should be no news reports that include views the Left doesn’t agree with.
Moments later, Kerry continued with this frightening theme:
KERRY: We have to, have to find a way to get some of these people in Congress, who are locked in to just one view about where we can go, and, and that’s really what’s hampered us. You know, when I have a top Senator in the Republican leadership tell me that he’s been calling members of his delegation and he can’t persuade them to do something reasonable here, that all they’re focused on are cutting, cutting, cutting, we got a problem.
Why is that a problem?
Since the Democrats took over Congress in 2007, the deficit has grown tenfold from $160 billion to $1.6 trillion. Spending has increased $1.1 trillion or 41 percent as the debt exploded $5.9 trillion or 68 percent. Meanwhile, unemployment has gone from 4.4 percent to 9.1 percent.
There hasn’t been a better example of the failure of Keynesian economics since the Depression, and many on the Right think that after four years of this very expensive unsuccessful experiment, it’s time to get our fiscal house in order.
Kerry not only doesn’t agree with this view, he wants media to stop giving it any airtime or print space:
KERRY: When we have people who think default is a good thing, we have a problem. I keep viscerally getting very upset when I, you know, I keep hearing people refer to Congress is broken and Congress can’t do it. It’s not Congress. The institution is the same institution that was there when Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan got together. It’s the people in Congress, and in this case, it’s the minority of a group of people who are literally willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and, and, and do whatever they want because they’ve got a hard ideological point of view. The media and people at home have got to begin to hold them accountable to a different standard of behavior.
Media should hold the Tea Party accountable to a different standard of behavior? Shouldn’t all politicians – as long as they are behaving legally – be held to the same standard?
Much like Krugman before him, that’s not what Kerry thinks. He also doesn’t want Tea Partiers involved in the upcoming Super Committee:
KERRY: And if the joint committee, the joint committee cannot be, I mean John Boehner, please, Mitch McConnell, please, don’t appoint people with a preconceived idea of exactly what they’re going to do. That will not serve the nation. It may serve Party, but that’s not leadership. They need to put people on that committee who are going to work for the interests of our country so we can decide how to deal with our long-term structural problems and put people to work now.
So, not only should media stop giving equal time to the Tea Party's ideas, Congress should as well.
And this is the state of the supposedly free speech-supporting Left: all views that disagree with theirs should be silenced.
Imagine that nearly seven years ago, this man almost became president.
(H/T RCP)
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Ahhh. It warms my heart...
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:53am.
To see our country's famous Viet Nam war hero who won the bronze star {cough} and was so instrumental in the victorious conclusion of that conflict now opining how the media should censor certain viewpoints that he disagrees with.
This is what he was apparently over there fighting for in the first place. That and the right to moor his yacht in a different Sate then it's registerd in so he can avoid the property taxes on it.
What a leader!
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Dont forget the
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:46pm.
Silver Star for heroism under fire.
Practice arrogance much, Senator?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:55am.
Senator Kerry, another advertisement as to why term limit are needed.
REMEMBER.....
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:59am.
If the dimmoRATS have a view its the TRUTH and PATRIOTIC.... Tea party has a view its Terrorism.............. John F'n Kerry is a HYPOCRITE!!!!
Arrogance may be too mild a word for this schmuck
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:07pm.
This is the rich guy who whines about the rich not being taxed enough as his $7 million dollar New Zealand-built yacht sits in a marina at Newport, RI to avoid paying Massachusetts' high luxury tax.
Where was Kerry's concern when Cindy Sheehan and a few dozen supporters staged their anti-war camp just down the road from Bush's Texas residence, garnering nightly news coverage as if she were leading a major movement?
He's just a gigolo ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:50pm.
Kerry is a low life who attended the right schools and married very rich women. As far as I know, he has been on the public tit forever. He as never created one job or met a payroll. Like you said, on top of all that, he is a tax cheat.
He is a worthless piece of liberal flotsam, but he's smart enough to tell the rest of us what to do?
How do we keep electing these piles of shiite to Congress?
Nobody cares for me,
Submitted by AGreer on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 10:59pm.
nobody cares for me. I'm so sad and lonely. Sad and lonely.
He's joined the ranks of Al Gore.
He wishes he was as relevant as David Lee Roth and Van Halen, playing state fairs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-4lX0QyZc&feature=player_embedded#at=126
I hope
Submitted by adamsmith on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:32am.
that we dust off the old Guillotine. And this azzklown has an "E" ticket at the front of the line.....
Lurch spoke about....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:57am.
....people who are locked in to one view (the TEA Party patriots) who are completely unlike those on the esteemed Senator's side of the aisle who are "locked in to" two views: raise taxes and spend more than they take in.
In the interest of fairness, he gets a lot of help with his "vision" from plenty of folks on the other side of the aisle.
Thank heaven for the Swiftboat veterans
Submitted by iamsaved on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:59am.
The honorable men who served with John Kerry during the Vietnam war knew what kind of a snake-in-the-grass he was. Their efforts during the 2004 campaign were honorable and shed light on a liar and a traitor. Of course the left demonized these men by labeling them as "swiftboaters" as if it were a bad word - something they are tying to do to the Tea Party and those who sympathize with their objectives. You know you've hit a nerve when the Democrats and their sychophants start attacking something or someone because they can't stand for the truth to be made known.
The light of truth is the best disinfectant against their hypocrisy and lies. The trouble is, if you don't expose it long enough and intense enough, it keeps growing back, just like mold does in a damp bathroom.
Geez, Noel.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:59am.
I just threw up on my keyboard watching a post of Gin-Jus Khan Kerry's latest regal rant on the Open Thread, and here it comes again.
You people really need to post warnings to read first and watch the actual video later if you think you can stand to hear the idiots talking.
Newsbubba, I never watch the
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:19pm.
Newsbubba, I never watch the videos if there is a transcript.
It's bad enough reading Kerry's sanctimonious tirades without having to listen to him too!
Amen!
Submitted by lgeubank on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:34pm.
Amen brother, you done said a mouthful!
"Control the message,...
Submitted by johnsonl on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:00pm.
...control the masses."
Yes Lurch, you're right.
Submitted by rbosque on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:00pm.
Yes Lurch, you're right. People who are concerned with runaway gov't spending and lack of accountability are "absurd". They're nothing but crazy people.... s/
You forget Lurch, you work for US, not the other way around.
Yeah, why should taxpayers be
Submitted by rbosque on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:02pm.
Yeah, why should taxpayers be upset about how you spend THEIR money? After all it's THEIR money! The nerve of those teaparty people!
The consensus is in
Submitted by CO2Maker on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:09pm.
Anthropomorphic Global Warming? Yep. No need to air anybody who opposes the Green Truth.
Obama's Hopey Changey Spendex plans? Well, everybody love it, so why interview a bunch of nay-sayers (i.e., racists)?
Debt discussions? Done. No need for those Tea-totalers and Tea-Baguettes.
I'm Jean Kerry and Teresa approved this message.
Kerry displays his stupidity
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:26pm.
The vast majority of all media coverage of the Tea Party and Tea Party Republicans has been negative.
They have been called --
- terrorists
- hostage takers
- suicide bombers
- insatiable addicts
I would venture a guess that in terms of minutes of air time and pages of print per capita, the Tea Partiers have been vilified more than the real terrorists, hostage takers, and suicide bombers.
There is not one liberal media outlet that hasn't placed the entire blame for the debt ceiling "crisis" squarely on the Tea Party. The MSM loyally carried out its role in echoing the WH and DNC talking points, and now Kerry scolds them for giving too much coverage to the Tea Party.
The man is too stupid to be taken seriously. I'm no fan of Bush-43, but I am thankful that he, and not this rich boy idiot, won the 2004 Election. I shudder to think what a Kerry-Edwards Administration might have done.
Who knew?
Submitted by BuffNBone on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:22pm.
Two years ago the T.E.A Party was a flash in the pan without clout called astroturf.
Right. And who knew that a bunch of grass roots . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:39pm.
. . . American tax payers -- so stupid, uneducated, irrational, and misinformed as the MSM portray them -- could hold an entire government hostage and nearly bring down the global economy.
Un-truthful and absurd?
Submitted by bbboss on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:25pm.
This is rich coming from this lying POS.....I remember well the day I left the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Leaving and disavowing the VVAW for me, was a direct result of the lies he told about me and the rest of the returning vets...I have hated this piece of crap since about 1972....
John Kerry, who, by the way, , ,
Submitted by rickbren on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:27pm.
. . . is a Vietnam veteran, is accelerating his descent into irrelevancy. . .
Kerry wants to be Secretary of State, but . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:18pm.
. . . he has to wait his turn. And if Obama is not re-elected, Kerry won't ever get the chance.
Galv,
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:39pm.
From fingertips to God's ear.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I watched Morning Smoe this
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:32pm.
I watched Morning Smoe this morning for a bit. to see how they were going to report the new jobs numbers. Before that came on they were going to interview Lurch. I turned it and never went back. Good thing or I might have to buy a new TV.
Shut up, he argued.
Submitted by Morganfrost on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:47pm.
Yeah, can't have conservatives being allowed to argue things on the merits with liberals, because the results will be lopsided and predictable. The only way we can ensure that liberal opinions are fairly represented in the marketplace of ideas is for the government to interfere in that market, in order to ensure the balance. Of course, if just ordering the media to stop covering something doesn't work (and, given the media's sympathies, it might), there's always phase two-- simply suspend the constitutional rights of people who refuse to think properly.
Hey, it's the Senat'e gigolo,
Submitted by jdhawk on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:50pm.
Hey, it's the Senat'e gigolo, aka 3/3/3 - 3 months, 3 wounds, 3 medals or the least serving most medals most wounded Vietnam Vet in the history of that war regardless of service, Kerry.
What? You are going to propose actual legislation? That's a new one. This is the longest serving least prolific senate legislator in the history of the senate.
Bereft of his own ideas, he doesn't want to hear anyone elses unless it is filtered through the liberal viewpoint.
Meanwhile, let's hope that conservatives are very well respresentating on the upcoming "super" committee to decide how 1.2 trillion is cut from the budget in the next ten years.
In regards to our "lopey" ideas of fiscal restraint on spending, capping the budget, and an amendment to the constitution to balance the budget, yeah, those are really absurd ideas - one your own party harped on for eight years non-stop during President Bush's tenure. I guess Kerry was too busy wind surfing to remember those years.
Perhaps, you remember voting in the senate enmasse to stop the debt ceiling from being raised when O'bummer was a fellow senator? No? I thought not.
Come on, Massachussetts,
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:50pm.
You're the home of the Great Adams', Paul Revere and other American patriots. You can do better than this low life night crawler in Senator's clothing.
John Kerry Talking About Creating Jobs
Submitted by Comrade Jim on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:52pm.
Is like Joseph Stalin talking about saving lives. Like Obama, Kerry hasn't the foggiest idea of how jobs are created. Neither has any experience whatsoever in creating jobs, creating wealth, managing a business, or running anything at all (except their mouths).
And worse, they don't really care about creating jobs. They care about growing government power and wealth and shrinking the citizen's power and wealth.
Scary, but Not Surprising
Submitted by tcm14 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:00pm.
This doesn't surprise me at all. The left would have no problem censoring or controlling the media. They just haven't figured out a way to do it yet, or to sell the idea. (I can just see Obama now: "This is Joe Smith, he was lied to by the media and now he is homeless. It is a civil right to control what the media says..." etc.)
In that vein, I am sick and tired of hearing how the debt ceiling was a "manufactured crisis". The passage of Obamacare was the biggest manufactured crisis in the history of this nation. We had a whole year of listening to stories about how thousands of people were dying the longer Obamacare wasn't passed.
In addition, I am sick of hearing Republican tactics criticized after what the Dems did to pass Obamacare (i.e., strictly party-line votes (comprimise wasn't so important then), midnight votes on Christmas Eve, and using budget reconciliation to finally ram it through when they didn't have the votes).
Republicans have done nothing to even approach the tactics the Left used to pass Obamacare. I haven't forgotten, and I hope no one else has either. Every time the left tries to criticize the right for using normal negotiating procedures, the nation should be reminded of what the swine on the left did to pass the bill they wanted, in spite of the wishes of the American people.
John Fitzgerald Kerry....
Submitted by bigdaddy on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:21pm.
....made in America...just like his sailboat.
You mean, the yacht he bought from a boatmaker in
Submitted by CO2Maker on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:19pm.
New Zealand, which he quickly parked in lower-tax Rhode Island? The one Teresa said he could buy? That sailboat?
Put a sock in it Stiff
Submitted by Barack Must Go on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:27pm.
Put a sock in it Stiff Stiffly, then sit down & shut up.
The Ketchup Queen's Gigolo disapproves of freedom of speech?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:36pm.
Thank you for letting us know, Mr. Teresa Heinz. We know exactly where you stand on freedom of speech and where you stand on freedom of the press. Go back to your yacht, Thurston.
Horse-face Kerry
Submitted by notinstl on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:44pm.
is the portrait of the absurd..
If..
Submitted by adamsmith on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:22am.
If he and Sarah Jessica Parker had a baby, it would be an Appaloosa.....
How weird is he?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:45pm.
Anyone remember where he was doing some sort of campaign stop near a marina in Florida and a dolphin broke the event making happy noises and splashing around? He was acting like he was talking to it, saying he hears you, we will do something about pollution, etc.
NUTTY!
-Jon
Maybe that dolphin was making
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 2:21pm.
Maybe that dolphin was making fun of John 'why the long face' Effing Kerry...............dolphins are pretty smart, you know???
And maybe he's still smarting (can I say 'smarting'??? Does it work for a guy like Kerry?? Maybe I should say 'stinging'.) from having Marco Rubio (who's a damn immigrant Hispanic conservative!!!) taking him to the woodshed in a very classy and lucid and straightforward manner...............he doesn't want to see anything like that happen again!!!
You'll have to pardon Senator Kerry
Submitted by pbthinker on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 1:52pm.
He's from Massachusetts, where you can bet the Boston Globe doesn't give the tea party view equal time. I guess you just get used to living in the liberal media bubble and, when it falls apart and you're affected by it, you panic and think it could happen everywhere.
Never fear Senator, life isn't about to change in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts any time in the near future.
You have to pardon Kerry?
Submitted by CO2Maker on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 4:42pm.
Why, did he drown a young, cute staff worker?
Good evening CO2
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 4:46pm.
SEN-ile AKerry lives there but his boat doesn't. I'll pardon him after he has a beer party in a locked down area with his swift-boat mates.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
"the structural deficit" is
Submitted by jwrjr on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 2:47pm.
"the structural deficit" is between Kerry's ears.
Kerry is his own worst enemy.
Submitted by Boil It Down on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 2:59pm.
To come on the air and present an argument that is so easily dismantled and "factually" inaccurate undermines his policies and his own credibility. He essentially calls his opposition crazy liars and which causes a vehement backlash with the actual facts on the economy.
To come out with such wrongheaded statements while admonishing the media for allowing any dissent of his point of view is just about as un-American as it comes.
This was just an extremely bad move on Kerry's part. He needs to get himself a handler to keep him out of this trouble, but I really think it's too late. -bidn-
So,
Submitted by panzerakc on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:01pm.
since I consider Kerry absurd and not factual, will the media stop covering him? (Not holding my breath.)
And I don't think I've been in a coma anytime recently, but just in case I slept through it, could somebody remind me of the Democrats' plan for job creation?
I've got a jobs plan for the Democrats
Submitted by IdahoJim on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:24pm.
If Obama were to simply declare that all those people collecting unemployment insurance are now government employees, the unemployment numbers would plummet. Of course he should do this just before the 2012 election so his numbers look good.
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
I think Kerry is guilty of
Submitted by Snappy on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:04pm.
I think Kerry is guilty of his own sin of fabrication of facts..... did ANYONE go on the record saying they were for default? Did anyone actually argue for the default on Americas loan repayment?
Or is Kerry getting fast and loose with the facts himself, and referring to the debt ceiling increase and inferring that that would equal default.
I do believe that the ceiling increase and default or two completely different things and one does not necessarily equal the other.
"Arrogance and Ignorance Go In Hand!"
Submitted by ljacone on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:17pm.
Thanks to Metallica, "Holier Than Thou."
Like Pelosi, John?
Submitted by Model850 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 3:55pm.
"But what people are looking at is the absence of a willingness to try to really deal with America’s twofold long problem. One, the structural deficit on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security...."
Hmmm. Wasn't it someone in YOUR party who said those things were "off the table?"
Why yes. Yes it was.
* FAIR WARNING *
The link takes you to the Daily Kos so.....
besides being a liar and a fraud-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 4:11pm.
THE SENATOR IS CRAZY-
ASK HIM IF HIS MARRIED MONEY IS READY TO BE SHARED.
AND IF HE PAID THE TXES ON HIS NEW YACHT.
Sen(ile) Kerry is right
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 4:24pm.
There are too many democrats not living in reality, toomany democrats lying, too many democrats making up their own facts, too many democrats not paying their taxes, too many democarats lying to cover up their shameful military record.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
John its' good you bring up
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 4:37pm.
John its' good you bring up denying people their freedom of speech...keep suggesting breaking those first ten inalienable rights and you will find out what they mean with your own personal meeting with god. John I'll let you figure out how you can meet god.
Krugman was right!
Submitted by hayate1 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 5:02pm.
Says ex-Bush speechwriter Frum. Which means that Bush and the Conservative economic polices pushed by the Tea guys are wrong.
Comon guys, it's about time to swallow your pride and anger and accept that the conservative theories upon which all these actions are based is flawed. Stop fighting to beat the democrats and start fighting to help the nation recover.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
But I have a nasty little
Submitted by hayate1 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 5:18pm.
But I have a nasty little secret for you, folks. If you use realistic numbers rather than what I call WAAP - Washington Accepted Accounting Principles - the real federal deficit for the 2007 fiscal year is more than 2-1/2 times the stated deficit. Tricks like accounting for the wars off budget, adding in SS surplus and other gimmicks to hide the real deficit. One way to see the real number is to look at what was added to the debt that year--an increase in "gross federal debt" of $448 billion for 2007 shows a more accurate picture. Using real numbers, Bush's last year saw a deficit over $1 trillion due to the huge collapse of revenue and the restating of real numbers. You know, the kind the Obama folks use.
It is simply untrue to state what you state about the deficits and it is also false to claim that Obama has spent money at levels that are out of range of the spending growth pattern. The problem is that revenues collapsed while the wars, stimulus and other spending went up. You simply can n ot fund wars, bailout companies and cut taxes for the wealthy and not have this situation. Accept it, it is reality.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Just remember, comrade F'ing Kerry, somewhere out there...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 5:27pm.
...is a pitchfork with your name on it.
If you, being a member of the ruling class, want to pressure the media into ignoring people with a legitimate point of view, then move your red communist behind to North Korea.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Freedom of speech is not at issue
Submitted by hayate1 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 5:38pm.
It is the need and our right to hear objective facts from trusted sources. These days too many 'trusted sources' are nothing more than mouthpieces for one powerful interest group or another. These sources are disguised as news outlets or fair and balanced purveyors of facts and truth when they are not. People , for lack of alternatives, place trust in these media and thus are manipulated with the given propaganda of the media they choose. Kerry is just saying that there must be a higher standard of facts and reality used if one calls oneself 'news' or journalist' Without some sort of foundation of factual information to inform the debate we have, well, what we have now.
The tea guys can say what they want, just keep political rhetoric separate from news reporting. People are confused and this is poised the debate bc facts are no longer necessary for making an argument.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Like most liberals, hayate, you appear to be---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 7:29pm.
comfortable living in a world created by the oddest of oddities - words meaning what you either think they mean, or what you want them to mean.
"The tea guys can say what they want, just keep political rhetoric separate from news reporting."
At what point did the "tea" guys:
What is confusing is when you type out something like "People are confused and this is poised the debate bc facts are no longer necessary for making an argument."
'Poisoned' (?) the debate?
"--facts are no longer necessary for making an argument"
A liberal truism, indeed.
MD
Sorry
Submitted by hayate1 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:37am.
About the sloppy writing, spelling and grammar.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Another trolljegeren easily confuses the troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:50am.
Watch out though boys and girls. This well known tactic of the wily yet stupid troll. They will proclaim their sorriness over and over. Yet engage in the very same stupidity the next day. Scientists have concluded they truly have forgotten their errors of the day before. That is why the repeat them so often. The troll skull is quite thick, there is very little room left inside for brain matter. It is why throwing rocks at them have little effect other than to convince them it is raining rocks.
No, hayate,
Submitted by packman on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 9:43am.
People are not confused...and that's why Kerry is squirming.
"...Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread..." ~Thomas Jefferson
Hayate1
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 9:58am.
OK, we're listening. What is it that the Tea Party is lying about?
Come on, Hayate. We've got Tim Geithner on record saying there is no way the US will lose its AAA rating, but you sit there telling us it's the Tea Party that lies?
All you just did is refute your own post. Without some sort of foundation of factual information to inform the debate we have, well, what we have now
OK, hayate. What is it the Tea Party is lying about?
Lie 1
Submitted by hayate1 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:37pm.
ok,
They claim that Obama's stimulus didn't work at all in creating jobs or growth and that his claims to the contrary are lies: That is a lie, or just a display of ignorance.
PolitiFact says it is: "True" That "Most Job Losses" Happened Before Obama Policies Took Effect. According to PolitiFact.com's analysis of President Obama's statement that "most of the jobs that we lost were lost before the economic policies we put in place had any effect": "Looking at BLS data on seasonally adjusted non-farm employment from December 2007, when the recession officially began, to January 2009, the month before the stimulus was enacted (a 25-month period), the jobs number declined by 4.4 million. ... When [Obama] refers to his economic policies, we presume he is referring to his main economic stimulus, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. It passed in February 2009, but it took several months before the impact of its spending was felt in the economy. Job loss didn't stop, but Obama is right that it slowed down. In the 19 months from February 2009 through September 2010, the month of the most recent preliminary data, the overall job decline in the private and public sectors was 2.6 million. And the number of jobs lost per month has declined from around 700,000 a month at the beginning of the administration to months in which there were small net gains. .According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the economy added 230,000 private sector jobs in March of 2011 and that is quite a turnaround from the loss rates of the Bush recession.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Shhhhhh. Another lesson in the troll species boys and girls.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:44pm.
The male troll seems to think the female of the species are attracted to the square with its four pointed angles and all the straight lines. So the troll will type up big block paragraphs filled with droll and boorish nonsense. The female troll will have none of this and wander away.
This causes the male of the species to last out and thrash about. How this species propagates at all is still baffling scientists to this day.
#2
Submitted by hayate1 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:43pm.
Obama created the deficit with his run-away spending.
On The Day President Obama Took The Oath, Bush-Era Policies Had Already Created $1.2 Trillion FY 2009 Deficit. As reported by the Washington Times: "The Congressional Budget Office announced a projected fiscal 2009 deficit of $1.2 trillion even if Congress doesn't enact any new programs. [...] About the only person who was silent on the deficit projection was Mr. Bush, who took office facing a surplus but who saw spending balloon and the country notch the highest deficits on record." [Washington Times, 1/8/09]
CBPP: Deficit Grew By $3 TRILLION Because Of Policies Passed From 2001 To 2007. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: "Congressional Budget Office data show that the tax cuts have been the single largest contributor to the reemergence of substantial budget deficits in recent years. Legislation enacted since 2001 added about $3.0 trillion to deficits between 2001 and 2007, with nearly half of this deterioration in the budget due to the tax cuts (about a third was due to increases in security spending, and about a sixth to increases in domestic spending)." [CBPP.org, accessed 1/31/10, parentheses original]
The Bush Tax Cuts Are The Primary Driver Of Federal Budget Deficits Over The Next Decade. Below is a chart from CBPP showing the deficit impacts of war spending, financial recovery spending, the recession itself, and the Bush tax cuts:
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Continue to be very quiet boys and girls.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:45pm.
You can clearly see the male of the troll species is quite frustrated and thinks repeating the same error as before will somehow magically attract the female that is now long gone. It has been hypothesized the female is actually 4 times smarter than the male of the species.
Scientists still to this day wonder how this species has lasted as long as it has with what little reproducing goes on.
Lie #4
Submitted by hayate1 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:18am.
The Tea Party is for freedom of speech. Yet they support, and when in a position to do so, vote against funding for NPR, an organization whose sole purpose is to inform. The Tea Party supported the recent SCOTUS decision allowing corporations the rights of an individual without any constraint or accountability.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Shhhh. The troll is finally tiring boys and girls.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:39am.
Notice the tone and tenor of the lastest attempt at a mating call. It is getting much shorter and much more shrill. Please boys and girls, this is a dangerous moment in the troll matiing ritual. Should anyone call out "go screw yourself" The male of the troll species will literally attempt to do just that.
Maintain silence boys and girls.
→ Still waiting, hayate1
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:02pm.
Still waiting for you to tell us what, exactly, the Tea Party lied about.
You've gotten to where you take a dump in a thread and slither away without defending your claims.
Now, put up or shut up.
Lie #3
Submitted by hayate1 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 11:52pm.
Obama raised or will raise taxes.
He cut taxes more than 25 times and they are at their lowest levels since records have been kept.
For the 3rd year in a row Americans have seen their taxes lower with President Obama then they did under Bush.
President Obama gave an interview with Fox News pundit Bill O’Reilly and in the interview the President told O’Reilly "I didn’t raise taxes once. I lowered taxes over the last two years."
The Associated Press (AP) wanted to fact check the Presidents statement and asked the Congressional Budget Office for the numbers over the last two years, and the CBO showed that President Obama was correct.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
What about the taxes in ObamaCare?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:02am.
Oops.
You fail.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
What taxes?
Submitted by hayate1 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:35am.
In Obamacare?
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
This is most auspicious boys and girls.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:46am.
A trolljegeren has momentarily confused the troll. The troll will remain frozen in this state for some time. One way to unfreeze the troll is to use the old schoolground tactics of our very own young. Try this boys and girls. Call out to the troll --
Pete and Repeat were sitting on a bench. Pete fell off. Who was left?
Of course the troll will attempt to answer and of course it will be "Repeat"
Pete and Repeat were sitting on a bench. Pete fell off. Who was left?
The troll will again attempt to answer. Be very careful boys and girls. Trolls have been known to starve to death during this interaction.
Easy one, silly
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:52am.
Taxes on Tanning Beds. Taxes on Medical Equipment.
That's just for starters.
OH WAIT....YOU DIDN"T KNOW THAT, DID YOU?
Sheesh...get out.
Stupid trolls.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ah the wise inveterate trolljegeren strikes a blow.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:01am.
Trolljegeren know facts makes trolls shake and shimmy in their tracks. Trolls are unable to incorporate facts due to the tiny size of their brains.
Did you catch the other thing as well boys and girls? The trolljegeren called the troll silly. Silly is the name of the troll's sister. The troll will now spend at least 30 minutes looking for his sister Silly. He may even get so frustrated, he will wonder off just as the trolljegeren planned.
Hey boys and girls, did you know that trolljegeren is the most favorite response to what children want to be when they grow up after Astronaut and Fireman? Trolljegeren are a brave lot and mankind surely owns them all a debt of gratitude.
Hate1*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:07am.
Just cause you read the dem talking points dont make it so. Try living in the real world. My pension has not changed one penny in the last 6 yrs. On 1-1-2011, my tax deductions were increased $50 a month. My pension is less than $30k a year. When I inquired about the reason for the increase, I was told simply "Obamacare". If you look for a vote from congress that says taxes have been increased, you wont find one. But if you look behind the curtain, the Wizard of Oz has been changing rules, regulations, fees, taxes using every government entity. You can make up numbers all you want. The money lost out of my income is called a TAX INCREASE!
The troll continues to attempt the troll mating call.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:14am.
It is a very sad and desperate species boys and girls. It is at this point that we are safe to throw rocks boys and girls. The troll will think it is raining rocks and move to another area. Hopefully it will locate a mate there. This species would have died off long ago were it not for the help of the humankind. Very very sad species indeed.
Another lesson in troll behavoir.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:32am.
The reason we stay quiet boys and girls is because the troll will start to mimic humans and we will no longer be able to look at them in their natural state. For example ----
The entire post was a mimicry of something posted a Daily Kos
Daily Kos ---
For the 3rd year in a row Americans have seen their taxes lower with President Obama then they did under Bush.
Just before this past Sunday’s Super Bowl, President Obama gave an interview with Fox News pundit Bill O’Reilly and in the interview the President told O’Reilly "I didn’t raise taxes once. I lowered taxes over the last two years."
The Associated Press (AP) wanted to fact check the Presidents statement and asked the Congressional Budget Office for the numbers over the last two years, and the CBO showed that President Obama was correct.
Now look at the troll hayte1's post ---
For the 3rd year in a row Americans have seen their taxes lower with President Obama then they did under Bush.
President Obama gave an interview with Fox News pundit Bill O’Reilly and in the interview the President told O’Reilly "I didn’t raise taxes once. I lowered taxes over the last two years."
The Associated Press (AP) wanted to fact check the Presidents statement and asked the Congressional Budget Office for the numbers over the last two years, and the CBO showed that President Obama was correct.
.
→ Dupe
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:03pm.
x
That concludes our troll lessons for today boys and girls.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:13am.
It seems the troll has wandered off in search of that elusive thing known as "reality". The wise NewsBusters staff has come up with a tracking device and implanted it in quite a few trolls here. You can see whether the troll has wandered into NewsBusters territory by looking at the troll's satellite tracking device here ---->
hayate1 satellite tracking monitor --- Currently showing Offline
mandates
Submitted by sherlock1 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 6:17pm.
Kerry thinks you have a mandate BECAUSE you are in DC like him.
No Senator, you get a mandate by GETTING ELECTED RUNNING ON YOUR IDEALS, and THEN you go to DC. That's how the Tea Party Congressmen got there, and you are going to very lucky to be able to repeat their performance the next time you have to stand for election.
shut up already
Submitted by ohio granny on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 7:13pm.
actually you can just go to hell. The only reason you and the democrats want to shut the tea party up is because you are afraid of them. You know what they say is true unlike the lies that you and the democrats tell.
Democrats always accuse their opponents of doing exactly what the democrats are doing.
We don't really care what what you think so SHUT THE HELL UP.
Lighten Up, Thurston
Submitted by IrateNate on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 8:06pm.
Ahoy, Polloi! Anybody seen a receipt for those yacht back-taxes yet? Didn't think so...
John Kerry now: "And too many
Submitted by Onepersonsopinion on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 9:27pm.
John Kerry now:
"And too many people in Congress are making up their own facts, and too many people are avoiding this reality and pretending that the only thing you need to deal with is the debt and deficit."
and:
"And too many people in Congress are making up their own facts, and too many people are avoiding this reality and pretending that the only thing you need to deal with is the debt and deficit."
and:
"The media and people at home have got to begin to hold them accountable to a different standard of behavior."
So when Kerry in 1984 said this:
"the Reagan Administration has no rational plan for our military. Instead, it acts on misinformed assumptions about the strength of the Soviet military and a presumed window of vulnerability, which we now know not to exist."
or in 2004 about the lapsed assault gun ban:
""Today George Bush made the job of terrorists easier and made the job of America's law enforcement officers harder and that's just plain wrong,"
he was avoiding reality, making up his own facts and should be held to a different standard of behavior by the media?
Idiot
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 9:30pm.
So S&P has downgraded the USA's credit. The TEA Party needs MORE media time, not less. It's time to pay attention, shrink the stupid nanny free-spending government. It's BEYOND TIME!!!!
Kerry is using his position of power to talk up censorship of something he disagrees with. The TEA party stands for Constitutional principles, something far beyond the comprehension of a nanny-state pusher like Kerry.
Kerry - MSM time for Tea Party Ideas? What time?
Submitted by Gary Hall on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 9:47pm.
I must be missing something here, Noel. Personally, I don't believe that I've seen any MSM outlet actually give time to Tea Party Ideas. Find me one single national MSM reporter who has actually challenged a Democrat on why they don't support Tea Party ideas. Just one.
Oh, they've given plenty of time to attacking them - to smearing them - of inviting their leftist guests on to spew even more nonsense and rhetoric and hate speech at; but "giving time to them?" I don't think so.
What I have noticed, however, is that the MSM is not giving credence to the national polls, which show that the Tea Party ideas during this last go around on the issue of raising the debt ceiling and addressing the budget deficits, which have strong majority support across the country .
Todays's NB addresses one of those - by an almost 3:1 margin voters felt that this recent agreement on the debt ceiling did not cut enough spending, over those that preferred less in spending cuts.
In previous polls (CNN), 67% supported the Rep/TP position on the House passed (TP supported) Cut, Cap and Balance Bill.
In other polls a majority simply did not want to raise the debt ceiling and a majority do want a Balanced Budget Amendment, BBA -- also the position of the TP.
In other words, John Kerry, the Tea Party's ideas are not absurd ideas; rather they are populist positions of the American people.
Let me rephrase that. When national polls are clearly showing that a super majority of the voters support the views of a group, one should be able to notice that the views, therefore, are not absurd.
Where was Morning Joe? Taking a time out?
Indeed, what should be going on, is that the national media should be challenging the Democrats and the White House to pay attention - to consider - to have a discussion which respects the views of the American people, rather than attacking the populist views out here.
);~> gary
Absurd
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 10:19pm.
Joe should have asked him to give some examples of the absurdity.
Polls should be on ideas. I'm sure the favorability polling is simply........"do you favor the TEA Party?", but the poll should be............"do you favor reducing the side of our government that we cannot control anymore, or do you favor expanding that government?" The numbers for TEA party ideas would rise even more in a poll that presents two ideas, vs just asking about a group of people, since, after all, the media hates that group of people and tells it's viewers every day that that group of people is satanic.
It still boggles my mind (though I know the reason), that a group that espouses Constitutional principles, in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, is talked about as if that's something horrible.
GregE . .
Submitted by Gary Hall on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 10:43pm.
Well, here's what I'm saying. Joe should have asked Kerry:
That's what I'm talking about.
(:~ Gary
Perfect.
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 10:51pm.
Perfect.
Aside from Obama
Submitted by Injest on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 10:06pm.
"The real truth is America faces a long-term structural debt."
Which is the obvious result of long term debt hikes!
Who is so stupid, so dense, so out of touch with reality to not get this!
Aside from Obama, Reid, Pelosi , Kerry every Democrat Senator in office today!
just goes
Submitted by RDWINGS11 on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:02pm.
it just goes to show you stupid knows no bound. kerry you shoould have stayed in vietnam
Everything You ever wanted to know about John Kerry
Submitted by djwolf12 on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 1:17am.
(but were afraid to ask) I learned from Zell Miller:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C58YAONY_hE
Zell Miller??? The last
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 1:31am.
Zell Miller??? The last Democrat that I had any respect for........but the Dems didn't want him.
Oh geez a lightning bolt woke up Frankenstein again!
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 2:19am.
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I agree with John
Submitted by Red Bill on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 8:18am.
John has not learned to be careful for what you ask for....if the media were to truely not cover 'absurd notions' well quite honestly they would have to drop half of their regularly scheduled shows and we would see a lot less of most Dems on TV. But we know that won't happen...what John meant to say was "quit covering conservative notions, how can we slip into Socialism if you keep airing dissenting views."
I think it is time the MSM and their advertisers see just what these 'terrorist Tea Partiers' look like (self included). It's time for national recognition.....the MSM has painted us as racists, muggers, terrorists, and more.....what do we really look like? I am the Engineering Manager in a plastics company and all 12 of the engineers that work for me align themselves with the Tea Party. And I know many other co-workers that do as well, and I don't believe any of them have ever uttered a racist comment, stolen someones purse or strapped bomb to their bodies. We are American's and it is time that we stick our noses outside of the tent so our true profile can speak for itself. The MSM portrays Amarica as liberal leaning...I believe that accounts for less than 30% of us...how can they hold the rest of us hostage to thier ideals?
oh and maybe a boycott or two of some key MSM advertisers just for kicks. We can call it alternative shopping.
Red Bill
Stuck in Iraq. Stuck in the Tea Party.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 9:04am.
You know, facts, if you make the most of facts, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be factual, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in the Tea Party.
John Kerry's relationship
Submitted by HockeyKid on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 5:10pm.
with the truth is like Rachel Maddow's relationship with men. He knows it's out there, but he'd rather not have anything to do with it.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Senator Heinz-Kerry
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 5:22pm.
It's hard to believe, but John Kerry, who accused everybody who fought in Vietnam, (except for himself and his best buddy, the child pornographer), of being war criminals.
Not only does he latch onto an heiress, but promptly dumps her for the widow of a Republican Senator, John Heinz.
Now it can easily be argued that Senator Heinz is in a much better place now, having been married to Teresa while here on earth, but I will forever be amazed that John Kerry, who sold out his buddies, still managed to get his nose under the tents of some high-dollar women.
Simple Concept
Submitted by billyjack on Sat, 08/06/2011 - 6:36pm.
The Tea Party primary tenet is a desire for individual freedom and personal resposibility. The Socialists like Kerry are for dependency. The conflict occurs when their ilk want to use government to take away my freedom to support their dependency.
All the other attacks on the Tea Party are lies designed to avoid debate over this simple concept. Apparently this message must be getting through so the new approach is to attempt to silence.