Scarborough Rails Against House Republicans That Opposed Debt Ceiling Agreement
Joe Scarborough on Wednesday railed about House Republicans that opposed Monday's debt ceiling agreement.
Although he agreed the final package "when it comes to actual debt savings [was] a real nothing-burger," the host of MSNBC's "Morning Joe" said GOPers that voted "No" are "going to have to understand if they’re going to stay in the majority they’re going to have act more responsibly than that" (video follows with transcript and commentary):
JOE SCARBOROUGH: The thing that galls me at this point, I understand, Mika, that this was a, as Pat Buchanan said before when it comes to actual debt savings, a real nothing-burger.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Right.
SCARBOROUGH: Nothing at all at the end of the day.
BRZEZINSKI: Coburn yesterday.
SCARBOROUGH: That said, if you were a Republican and you were in the House of Representatives and you were responsible for governing, I find it very hard to justify a no vote. I don’t care, nobody, you know what? They, let them stay in Congress for as long as they want. I, I challenge them to put their fiscal hawk credentials up to mine any time, but 24 hours away from a collapse, why is it that Republicans are voting no and as many Democrats vote yes as no? And the Democrats, everybody knows they got rolled. The President got rolled. This was a Republican package, they still voted no. I just got to say, as they move forward…
BRZEZINSKI: I can’t disagree with you.
SCARBOROUGH: …they’re going to have to understand if they’re going to stay in the majority, they’re going, they’re going to have act more responsibly than that.
So, as far as debt savings is concerned, Scarborough realizes this deal was a "real nothing-burger."
Then why is it irresponsible for someone concerned about the debt explosion in the last four years to vote against something that doesn't reduce the debt very much?
Isn't that actually the responsible thing to do?
As for the Democrats and the President getting "rolled," didn't the real fiscal conservatives as well?
As we heard from a number of Republican Senators during the pre-vote debate Tuesday, this package really does very little as far as either short- or long-term deficit reduction.
For those that left successful careers last year to come to Washington to solve the nation's fiscal crisis, this agreement did very little in that regard.
As such, if they were true to their principles, why would they vote for it? Exactly how are they the irresponsible ones in this debate?
If Scarborough thinks his "fiscal hawk credentials" are in the same league as the 66 House Republicans that voted against this package, he should ask himself how he could have voted for something that was a "real nothing-burger" in terms of deficit reduction.
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Hmmmmmm.....
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:50am.
I guess he wouldn't think much of the Tea Party then, who also opposed this deal.
Wow. Liberal MSMer's using the word, "responsible".
Submitted by johnsonl on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:52am.
Isn't that a curse word to liberals? Especially when preceded by the word, "personally"?
What's up with the Harry Potter glasses?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 11:04am.
Shmoe is clearly riding the wave.
For the long run, I'd recommend his mentor's timeless style.
Lib glasses
Submitted by Schofield Kid on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 3:05pm.
Either way these glasses have become trendy among libs who want to appear hip, cool and oh so intelligent. Alec Baldwin breaks out his version when he's making one of his incoherent political rants. IMO it makes the wearer look like a complete tool!
Even Putin knows better
Submitted by Slyrr on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 11:02am.
Even Communist China and DINO (democracy in name only) Russia know that Obama and the Democrats' greedy taxation and reckless spending is a path to disaster.
When Vladmir Putin starts sounding reasonable compared to Obama, it shows what horrible leaders he and the Democrats truly are.
Heard about that yesterday
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 12:15pm.
I read about that yesterday and thought to myself, "it's really sunk this low that it's come to this."
edit: Here's an article about it with Russia and China blasting us for it: Russia and China
The example of Greece was there for all to see, but people in this country chose to deliberately ignore it.
How many people on here know people who grew up during or just after the depression? My dad did(he's 76, grew up coming out of it) and I've been asking him all kinds of questions about it.
-Jon
Someone alert Martin Handford
Submitted by Maideneer on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 11:05am.
Someone alert Martin Handford that we found Waldo.
Joe Scarborough's challenge is laughable and misleading
Submitted by Conservator on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 12:10pm.
He spend's three hours a day chumming around with far left wackos. If Joey had actually took the time and read the votes in Congress, he would have found 76 members who were endorsed by Tea Party voted for the bill compared to 34 who voted against it (see below):
Final debt deal - http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/112/house/1/votes/690/
Conservatives passed Cut Cap
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 4:19pm.
Let me help you out Joe. Conservatives passed Cut Cap and Balance as a compromise to give Obama his debt limit increase. That was the RESPONSIBLE solution that satisfied the demands of the credit houses and Democrats were IRRESPONSIBLE for saying no to it.
Which side of the fence do you view the world Joe? Don't bother saying, I already know the answer.
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonWhy Can't The Left Tell The Truth?
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 4:46pm.
More Democrats voted against increasing the debt ceiling than Republicans in the House. The left stream media is guilty of Chinese water torture. Relentlessly dripping the same old disinformation over and over and over again. There has to be a way of turning it off.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Here's some truth for ya.
Submitted by hayate1 on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:15pm.
The Republicans have embraced a philosophy of no new taxes or revenues that has little relation to reality—except for the fact that their long-standing goal has been to shrink the size of the federal government. This began with the major tax cut passed early in George W. Bush’s presidency, which purposely put serious pressure on domestic programs and which some saw at the time as folly—folly with grim implications for the future. That tax cut, renewed in December with Obama’s assent (he didn’t have the votes to stop it, and he got some stimulus money in exchange), began the Republicans’ march from the $137 billion surplus Bill Clinton had bequeathed the country to the deficit of $1.2 trillion when Bush left office. It accounts for more than one quarter of the current deficit.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
In a word....
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:21pm.
Bullsh*t.
Well, I think that about covers it.
Night, all.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Forget about the tiny cuts,
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 5:33pm.
Forget about the tiny cuts, they were correct to vote against it because of the possibly- unconstitutional-but-definitely-stupid "super committee" of 12 it creates.
Where is Lori JOE?
Submitted by jmigyanka@msn.com on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 6:10pm.
Let's ask Joe Scarborough about the mysterious death of his political assistant (Lori Klausutis) in his Florida office - just prior to his resignation! Go figure! Was Lori his 'weiner' moment? A cover-up waiting to be revealed. This will take him off the air for sure. For all the suspicious facts, try these for openers:
1. http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Joe%20Scarborough
2. http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
3. http://flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/firejoescarborough.html
So Joe the congresscritter
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 7:42pm.
So Joe the congresscritter would have voted no, but Joe the analyst would denounce himself???
Ronald Reagan
How 's this for a dose of reality?
Submitted by hayate1 on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 9:58pm.
..what's relevant today: taxes, spending and the U.S. economy. According to Congressional Budget Office projections, had the nation maintained the fiscal course the Clinton administration laid out, the national debt everybody rants about would have been retired by 2009.
See, that's the real cost of George W. Bush's magical thinking. By any rational accounting, Bush and the GOP Congress that gave him everything he wanted from 2001 to 2007 should be held responsible for the entire $10.6 trillion national debt -- along with the $1.3 trillion yearly deficit they handed to Obama, as well as the Wall Street crisis and bank bailouts.
It's that simple: With no Bush income tax cuts, no unfunded Medicare drug benefit, and no off-budget Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the U.S. balance sheet would have been in fine shape for his successor. Then government investment needed to rescue the economy from the doldrums wouldn't have seemed so alarming.
See, that's how Keynesian macroeconomics is supposed to work. Pay down the debt in good times, spend on job creation and tax cuts when people are hurting and the private economy's sucking wind. This mysterious "confidence" everybody talks about? What it amounts to is money in people's pockets. Economically speaking, there's no other kind.
Instead, heeding Dick Cheney's observation that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter," the Bush administration topped-up Scrooge McDuck's bullion pool. Now Scrooge funds think tanks paying store-bought "scholars" to argue that the massive debt they created is all the Democrats' fault for seducing grandma with socialist schemes like Medicare and Social Security.
"Facts are not decided by how many people believe them. Truth is not determined by how loudly it is shouted."
Kenesian, Shmesian.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:26pm.
We're not dealing with Keynes anymore, it's about Marx.
-Jon
hayate---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 08/04/2011 - 1:27am.
Have you ever considered working as a Hollywood script writer?
You can pack more bullshit into a five paragraph post than Obama can belch out in a 30 minute gag-a-thon.
MD
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Hayate1, even though you never respond anyway...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Thu, 08/04/2011 - 2:38am.
...your version of reality is missing a few pieces.
First of all, I have to point out GWB inherited a recession. The tax cuts were supposed to fix that, and they would've worked if it hadn't been for the financial bubble, which itself would've been mitigated had Dems not blocked Bush's efforts to reform Fannie and Freddie.
Second, I'll remind you that we went to war in Afghanistan because of Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and we went to Iraq because the best intelligence available said the Iraqis had WMD programs and connections to terror groups. Afghanistan was unquestionably necessary, and Iraq seemed necessary at the time. When your intel community says there's a high risk of a given country supplying international terror groups with WMDs, you don't just sit and wait to see if they might be wrong, especially on the heels of an unprovoked attack that killed 3000 people.
And financially speaking, nothing Bush did would have been a problem had it not been for the financial meltdown and recession. A complete failure to reform Fannie and Freddie, coupled with Clinton-era deregulation and 'fair' (meaning loans based on diversity requirements instead of creditworthiness in response to falsely perceived [based an a flawed and biased ACORN study] discrimination on the part of lenders) lending practices caused the bubble that brought everything crashing down.
Just saying, but you left out a few important details in your little 'let's blame Bush and the GOP for everything' tirade. Also, in 6 years of Bush and GOP house, the national debt went up by 3 trillion. 4 years of a Dem controlled Congress pushed it up 5.5 trillion. The Dems were the reason we hit the debt ceiling so fast in the first place.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Party Poopers
Submitted by Chris Norman on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 10:57pm.
Yes, Joe, even though, as you say, the deal was a "nothing burger", those who opposed it were "irresponsible" in not preserving the political fiction that the "savings" in it should have been more than good enough. They should have just went along with the big lie - those party poopers.