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Sarah Palin: 'Journalists and Pundits Should Not Manufacture a Blood Libel'

By Noel Sheppard | January 12, 2011 | 11:18

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Media members that have been shamelessly blaming Sarah Palin for helping to incite Jared Lee Loughner's shooting rampage in Tucson on Saturday have been in the past couple of days ridiculing her silence since the event.

On Wednesday, just hours before the President is set to speak on this subject, the former Alaska governor posted her thoughtful response to the tragedy - as well as the press's abhorrent behavior since - at her Facebook page (video follows with partial transcript and commentary):

Like many, I’ve spent the past few days reflecting on what happened and praying for guidance. After this shocking tragedy, I listened at first puzzled, then with concern, and now with sadness, to the irresponsible statements from people attempting to apportion blame for this terrible event.

President Reagan said, “We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not with law-abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their First Amendment rights at campaign rallies, not with those who proudly voted in the last election. [...]

Vigorous and spirited public debates during elections are among our most cherished traditions.  And after the election, we shake hands and get back to work, and often both sides find common ground back in D.C. and elsewhere. If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

For those unfamiliar with the phrase, blood libel was originally an anti-Semitic smear first witnessed in the 1700s:

The blood libel is a false accusation that Jews sacrifice Christian children either to use the blood for various "medicinal" purposes or to prepare Passover Matzoth (unleavened bread) or for vengeance and mock crucifixions. It is one of the central fables of Anti-Semitism of the older (middle ages) type. The blood libel is a phenomenon of medieval and modern Christian anti-Semitism, but spread to the Middle East as early as 1775, when there was a blood libel in Hebron. A second blood libel occurred in Damascus in 1840 and one occurred in Cyprus in the same year. As the blood libel was the subject of folk ballads and literature, it was not simply a religious superstition in Europe, but a staple of popular culture, like most anti-Semitic prejudices.

Blood libels in the both the West and the East were generally occasions for large-scale persecution and judicial murders of Jews, as well as the basis for expulsions and pogroms. There have been about 150 cases of blood libel that were actually tried by Catholic authorities, and many other rumored cases that never came to trial.

To my knowledge, the first person to associate this term with the media and the Left's accusations that Giffords' shooting was caused by conservative rhetoric was Glenn Reynolds in his fabulous column at the Wall Street Journal Monday titled "The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel":

So as the usual talking heads begin their "have you no decency?" routine aimed at talk radio and Republican politicians, perhaps we should turn the question around. Where is the decency in blood libel?

To paraphrase Justice Cardozo ("proof of negligence in the air, so to speak, will not do"), there is no such thing as responsibility in the air. Those who try to connect Sarah Palin and other political figures with whom they disagree to the shootings in Arizona use attacks on "rhetoric" and a "climate of hate" to obscure their own dishonesty in trying to imply responsibility where none exists. But the dishonesty remains.

To be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?

I understand the desperation that Democrats must feel after taking a historic beating in the midterm elections and seeing the popularity of ObamaCare plummet while voters flee the party in droves. But those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrate precious little actual concern for America's political well-being when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.

Where is the decency in that?

Palin's views Wednesday amplified this theme:

There are those who claim political rhetoric is to blame for the despicable act of this deranged, apparently apolitical criminal. And they claim political debate has somehow gotten more heated just recently. But when was it less heated? Back in those “calm days” when political figures literally settled their differences with dueling pistols? In an ideal world all discourse would be civil and all disagreements cordial. But our Founding Fathers knew they weren’t designing a system for perfect men and women. If men and women were angels, there would be no need for government. Our Founders’ genius was to design a system that helped settle the inevitable conflicts caused by our imperfect passions in civil ways. So, we must condemn violence if our Republic is to endure.

As I said while campaigning for others last March in Arizona during a very heated primary race, “We know violence isn’t the answer. When we ‘take up our arms’, we’re talking about our vote.” Yes, our debates are full of passion, but we settle our political differences respectfully at the ballot box – as we did just two months ago, and as our Republic enables us to do again in the next election, and the next. That’s who we are as Americans and how we were meant to be. Public discourse and debate isn’t a sign of crisis, but of our enduring strength. It is part of why America is exceptional.

Indeed. As NewsBusters reported Tuesday, and as media members have conveniently ignored as they dishonestly used Palin's "Don't retreat - RELOAD" tweet to blame her for Saturday's killings, the former Alaska governor and her former running mate fully explained her remark last March:

SARAH PALIN: Now, when I talk about "It’s not a time to retreat, it’s a time to reload," what I’m talking about – now media, try to get this right, okay? That’s not inciting violence. What’s that, that is doing is trying to inspire people to get involved in their local elections and these upcoming federal elections. It’s telling people that their arms are their votes. It’s not inciting violence. It’s telling people, “Don’t ever let anybody tell you to sit down and shut up Americans. You stand up and you stand tall.”

Pretty good explanation, right?

So was the one John McCain gave to NBC's Ann Curry two days earlier:

ANN CURRY: You're also working, Senator, for re-election. And I understand that Sarah Palin will be joining you in Arizona as you campaign tomorrow. And as we just saw from Kelly O'Donnell's report, she has used some pretty incendiary language. She Tweeted in response to the health care vote, "Commonsense, conservative and lovers of America don't retreat, instead reload." And on her Facebook page she also posted a map highlighting weak Democratic districts that conservatives should target with a crosshair symbol. Considering these threats, these concerns, that we've been hearing about regarding violence, do you think, do you now recommend that your party use less incendiary language and will you say that to her tomorrow?

JOHN MCCAIN: Ann, I have seen the rhetoric of targeted districts as long as I've been in politics. Please. This is - any threat of violence is terrible. But to say that there is a targeted district or that we reload or go back in to the fight again, please. That's just language.

CURRY: Those are not my words, those are her words!

MCCAIN: Oh those, those are fine. We, they're used all the time. Those words have been used throughout my political career.

CURRY: But should they be perhaps used less.

MCCAIN: There are targeted districts.

CURRY: Sorry for interrupting Senator.

MCCAIN: There are targeted districts and there are areas that we call battleground states. And so, please. That, that rhetoric and kind of language is just part of the political lexicon. It is in no place for threats or violence or anything else. But to say someone is in a battle ground state, is not originated today.

CURRY: Senator, with all due respect and, and I, I heard what you had to say.

MCCAIN: With all due respect, that's, that's, with all due respect that's simply...

CURRY: No let me just simply, let me just inject this one question sir.

MCCAIN: Sure.

CURRY: The question is, given even if, even if what you're saying is, is accepted by everyone that this is a language of campaigning, this is the language of politics. Given, however, the sensitivity regarding this particular bill, should this still be the language of this day, given how much we are hearing about hundreds of calls regarding threats, about vandalism, about the gas line of a congressman's brother's home being cut. Sir, this is, these are very dangerous times. Is this the language that we should be hearing today?

MCCAIN: The language that we should be using today is the language that we are using. We condemn violence. We, we condemn threats of violence. If anyone does that, and violates the law, they will be persecuted to the full extent of the law and that there is no place for it. But to somehow say that someone's in a battleground state is somehow offensive simply, I'm sorry.

CURRY: Well I think it's the "reload" and the, and the crosshairs, I think, that's caused a lot of people to be concerned, Senator.

MCCAIN: Well maybe it has and we condemn any violence, any threats of violence. But I've heard all of that language throughout my political career. But we have to do everything we can to make sure the American people know that there's no place for that in America but what has just been done, against the overwhelming opposition of the American people, sleazy deals done in an unprecedented fashion, of course has people angry. That anger should be, should be channeled into voter registration and go continue the, the struggle that we're in to regain America and stop mortgaging our children's futures.

Quite right, and on Wednesday, Palin expounded on this:

No one should be deterred from speaking up and speaking out in peaceful dissent, and we certainly must not be deterred by those who embrace evil and call it good. And we will not be stopped from celebrating the greatness of our country and our foundational freedoms by those who mock its greatness by being intolerant of differing opinion and seeking to muzzle dissent with shrill cries of imagined insults.

Just days before she was shot, Congresswoman Giffords read the First Amendment on the floor of the House. It was a beautiful moment and more than simply “symbolic,” as some claim, to have the Constitution read by our Congress. I am confident she knew that reading our sacred charter of liberty was more than just “symbolic.” But less than a week after Congresswoman Giffords reaffirmed our protected freedoms, another member of Congress announced that he would propose a law that would criminalize speech he found offensive.

It is in the hour when our values are challenged that we must remain resolved to protect those values. Recall how the events of 9-11 challenged our values and we had to fight the tendency to trade our freedoms for perceived security. And so it is today.

Now that Palin has spoken, it's going to be very interesting to see how media respond to it. Frankly, it seems no matter what she says, they're going to attack her.

Some are already glomming on to her use of the phrase blood libel. Ben Smith at Politico noted (h/t Ed Morrissey):

I was curious how "blood libel" -- historically the specific term for the anti-semitic slur and incitement that Jews prepared ritual food with the blood of Christian children -- has made its way into the American political debate, and I speculated that it was an echo of Israel's use of the term defending itself against charges of having killed Palestinian civilians.

Smith e-mailed Reynolds about this getting back the following:

I got email saying that on Morning Joe somebody was complaining about her use of that term this morning. I am of course aware -- and I imagine the very pro-Israel Palin is, too -- of *The* Blood Libel from medieval times, but one sees false associations with murder called *a* blood libel without reference to that. I seem to recall Tony Blankley calling the Haditha allegations (by John Murtha?) a blood libel against American troops, for example.

As Smith noted, Reynolds was right about Blankley's reference to libel.

Will these two words be all media fixate on in the coming days completely ignoring the other 1139?

With the way they've cherry-picked and distorted virtually everything that has come from this woman's mouth or keyboard since the moment she burst onto the scene in August 2008, it wouldn't be at all surprising.

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Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Click here to follow Noel Sheppard on Twitter.
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Sarah's amazing

Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:26am.

  No matter what the Leftist media throws at her she continues to stand there with grace, dignity and determination.  She's the closest person to be in the model of Reagan since Reagan himself.

  Sarah won't bow before others or appologize for America.  She is what's right about America.

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The usual at the NYT

Submitted by StarAZ on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:54pm.

They are all over her for what she wrote...but of course, they are so civil over there they write "witch" and then in case we missed the point, they say they didn't really mean "witch." It's getting pretty old, boring and unimaginative. But she had to know this would happen. She doesn't need me to step in.

 

 

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Funny thing MidAmerica

Submitted by well99 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:42pm.

According to the guys friend

Zach Osler, in an interview Wednesday with ABC's "Good Morning America," said: "He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."



So I would say Sara is spot on with the blood libel description of the BLSM(Blood Libel Stream Media).
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Why

Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:32am.

1.  Why can't she sue these nutjobs?

2.  Why don't they understand that the more they attack her the stronger she becomes?

3. Why do the old guard republicans keep saying she is "unelectable"?

4. Why is her old, small graphic on a website a bigger influence on a nut obsessed with "mind control" and "lucid dreams" than the newly released movie, "Inception" highlighting exactly the same scenario in an openly violent fashion and released only a couple of months before the shooter purchased a gun?

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Well, she set the bar awfully

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:55am.

Well, she set the bar awfully high for Obama's speech today, that's for sure. My guess is he'll spend most of it talking about himself, though.

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This one should be interesting, bk

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:10pm.

Unless Obama's "new" advisors are able to make him actually understand what is required here, I suspect it will be yet another "Obama" speech.  Professorial, aloof, full of "I's" and "me's" rather than "us" and "ours". 

The punditocracy is waiting with bated breath, for Obama to use this speech as a springboard to fulfill their prophecy (hope for change) that Obama is the comeback kid.

Personally, I'm expecting a version of Wellstone funeral v.2.0.  Obama wasn't a "heavy" then, and wasn't invited, so he may not remember the backlash.  I hope his advisors forget it, as well.  Gotta go with my tag here.

Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)

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Exactly my immediate observation.

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:32pm.

I was struck by how often Palin used "our" and "we" as she spoke, also.  It is such a departure from the way Obama can't seem to use anything but "I, me, my, mine" when making even the most simple statement.  He can't even utter a simple "We are going to ..." statement.  It has to be "I have ordered ... !"  His favorite seems to be "My administration ... ."

A famous general once said something to the effect that:

"In a society where it is necessary for one individual to be the superior and another to be the subordinate, the superior, if he is a gentleman, never thinks about it, and the subordinate, if he is a gentleman, never foorgets it."

Apparently Mr. Obama is always thinking about who is in charge.

I have no doubt that He will fail.  As one of his advisors said, they are working very hard to figure out how to make Him "seem sincere."  I think that pretty well sums this President up.

Comrade Bubba
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I was struck by how often

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:41pm.

I was struck by how often Palin used "our" and "we" as she spoke, also.

Perhaps it was the royal we which indicates she will be the supreme ruler if she gets elected?  Appoint her cronies without congress approval and using the government agencies to make sweeping regulations like the FCC restricting righteous speech or perhaps taking over wide swaths of industries?  We need to be afraid, very afraid.
Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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Transferrence

Submitted by kraythe on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:28am.

Liberals seem to suffer from rampant bouts of transferrence. It is Obama's appointees to the FCC that are trying to restrict speech and if not for those pesky meddling supreme court judges, he would have accomplished it. It is Obama's FCC "Diversity Czar" that has praised Hugo Chavez takeover of the Venzuelan media and opined for the same thing in the USA. It is Obama that has made more recess appointments than any other president and to extremely important positions such as appointing the socialized medicine fan Berwick to head medicare. Furthermore, never in the history of the USA have we had more appointed, "Czars" that dont have to go through the political confirmation process, and these Czars have never had more power.

Palin is a libertarian leaning republican who values all aspects of the constitution. I would be surprised if Obama values any part of the constitution. Certainly he has spoken disparagingly of it in the past.

As for you, to the Aristocracy and its members such as Obama and the liberal media, you are merely a useful idiot. Wake up and smell what they are feeding you.

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Make him seem sincere

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:44pm.

Now that's a Tall Order!

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Together We Thrive--haven't you heard?

Submitted by StarAZ on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:57pm.

He named this appearance...probably a logo, too, not sure. Maybe Heal or Cope ...but naming in the first place is soooo tacky.

 

 

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Are you serious, Star?

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:03pm.

He named it?  That I can believe.

Your "logo" bit....well, I have to believe that's just a bit of brilliance on your part, but of course, nothing this man does in the way of self-aggrandizement would surprise me.

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As always, in the end, this

Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:01pm.

As always, in the end, this time in less than a week, Good ( Republicans, Conservatism, America, our Constitution and God ) have  triumphed over Evil ( democrat, liberal, progressive, socialism, atheism, America / Constitution haters, the morally bankrupt and God haters ) here in the Land of the Free ( excluding lunch or ride ) and the Home of the Brave. ( unlike the cowardly pussies  Bill Mahar, Chris Matthews and Paul Krugman, to name but a few. )

Barack_Must_Go.....

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Markos the worm

Submitted by AgentAmerican on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:05pm.

don't forget about Markos, the biggest coward of them all.

"Occupy this...I dare you."
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Absolute Good triumphs over

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:28pm.

Absolute Good triumphs over Absolute Evil?  What is this, Harry Potter?  Are you 9? 

There is no such thing as Absolute Good and Evil.*  And framing complex ideological debates as such displays the mentality of a little kid playing with his GI Joes.  Grow up.
 

 

*WWII was about as close as we'll ever get. 

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JasonC, good eyes

Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:13pm.

They must be because I didn't see the word absolute used any where.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid
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Did I use quotation

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:27pm.

Did I use quotation marks?

Nope.

So what's your point?

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ah JasonC

Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:35pm.

First, with or without quotations marks there is a difference in meaning between good/evil and absolute good/absolute evil.  As a shades of gray issues that should be very understandable.

But that is beyond the point you should just concede and apologize because then you would in effect take away my argument.  That seems to be your argument concerning Palin.  So go ahead and apologize and I will accept and there will be no more disagreement about the subject.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid
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The point is you "embellished".

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:56pm.

The point is, you "embellished" his statement into something it wasn't in order to demean the person. What are you, Liberal?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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The original comment claims

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:31pm.

The original comment claims that "As always, good have [sic] triumphed over evil" (parenthetical examples of each, and other modifiers, omitted for sake of clarity).  This statement, in particular the "as always" participle, semantically presumes the existence of an absolute good and an absolute evil.  That conservatism is always the former and liberalism always the latter.  This is a perfectly accurate summary of the original poster's statement. 

And it is absurd, as it would be if the ideological positions were flip-flopped.

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"As always"---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:39pm.

semantically presumes the existence of an absolute good and an absolute evil.

No it doesn't.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Even if it didn't presume

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:36pm.

Even if it didn't presume this, which it does, the poster claims that Good = Cornerstones of Conservatism and Evil = Cornerstones of Liberalism.  This is basically the textbook definition of imposing absolutes upon abstract concepts.

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One definition of "presume" is---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:51pm.

"imply". Your inference does not prove that the implication in the poster's message was what you interpret it to be; it is merely your opinion. MD
"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Inferences never prove

Submitted by JasonC on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:15am.

Inferences never prove anything, so I guess you're right.  However, what I have provided is a pretty damn bulletproof analysis of the poster's word choices.  "As always," in conjunction with the attribution of conservative traits to Good and liberal traits to Bad suggests/implies/presumes that Good & Bad are absolutes and, what's more, that those absolutes can be categorized as adhering to the same BS left/right model that is skewered in my tagline.  And, big surprise, that conservatism comes out as the Good.

What could possibly be a better example of imposing absolutes upon such concepts as Good & Evil than claiming that "Good is always X and Evil is always Y," when X & Y are simply two sides of the same ideological coin?

Whether this is what the poster intended is irrelevant.  He or she made his or her word choices, and those speak for themselves.

QED

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JasonC---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 1:59am.

"Whether this is what the poster intended is irrelevant", is exactly what I would say about your statement that "--what I have provided is a pretty damn bulletproof analysis of the poster's word choices".

Your statement, too, is irrelevant, because it is your opinion, not fact.

You are making your choices in deciding what was in the mind of another when they chose a particular word for usage.

I doubt you are a mind reader.

MD 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Mind readers...

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:10am.

I guess the gift of clairvoyance has only been granted to a select group of conservative posters, huh?

Jer

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That depends, Jer---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:12am.

on the info you have garnered.

I personally don't know of any.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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I guess this will probably

Submitted by JasonC on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:33pm.

I guess this will probably come as a shock to you, but guess what?  Words have meanings.  My assessment of the original poster's infantile statement is not based on inference or interpretation, but on pure semantic logic.  His statement is meaningless without the presumption of absolutes. 

And his intention is completely without relevance.  If he were to come back on and say "No no, I didn't mean it that way, etc." that would be just dandy.  But it would not undo the meaning of his first statement.  Just as if I say "I have 50 cents in my pocket," and it turns out I neglected to account for a nickel that was there in addition to the two quarters I knew I had, my statement would not retroactively become "I have 55 cents in my pocket."  And this would hold true regardless of whether or not my intention in under-reporting the original amount was to deceive.

Sorry.  You are wrong.

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Keep the "sorry' for yourself, Jason C.---

Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 10:24pm.

you again went on and on with phrases like "words have meanings, infantile statement, inference or interpretation, pure semantic logic,  -- His statement is meaningless without the presumption of absolutes."

The topper:

"And his intention is completely without relevance".

Without relevance to what?

Your interpretation?

You once again put yourself in the position of being both the final judge and jury based on saying in essence that intention is irretrievably locked into whatever definition you as the reader or observer apply to the words used by the writer, unless said writer specifically disavows your interpretation with clarification.

I almost awarded the "topper" designation to "His statement is meaningless without the presumption of absolutes."

presumption - noun form of presume - presumptuous attitude or conduct : AUDACITY,
2a  an attitude or belief dictated by probability: ASSUMPTION

I believe you to be wrong.

Again.

Still.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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"And his intention is

Submitted by JasonC on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 10:33am.

"And his intention is completely without relevance".

Without relevance to what?

To the meaning that his chosen words unmistakably convey.  Now, I am working on the assumption that we both agree, at least for the sake of argument, that the dictionary definitions of words are legitimate, and that concrete meanings can be gleaned when those words are arranged in particular sequences.  If you're arguing from some sort of post-Saussurean psycholinguistic stance in which there's no reliable relationship between words and that to which they supposedly refer, that's fine; but I think you ought to disclose that to your debate opponent from the outset so that we're at least on the same page.   And I must say, even if the original post didn't presume Absolute Good and Absolute Evil (which it does), it still resembles the mindset of a kid playing with action figures.  

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"arguing from a post-Saussurean psycholinguistic stance"---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 5:35am.

I know that your actual wording was "If you're arguing from some sort of post-Sausserean psycholinguistic stance", but I couldn' fit that all into the subject line.

JasonC, you are either Einstein's ideological twin, though in semantics rather than mathematics, or you represent the perfection of pedantry and are a pluperfect example of presumptuousness.   

"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."

Taken that one to heart, have ya?

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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That was some pretty sweet

Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 2:45pm.

That was some pretty sweet alliteration, I'll give you that.

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What is it with Binky and his preoccupation with children?

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 5:18am.

Yes. Let's talk about little kids that come here with childish rants.

 profanity where it is not allowed (acting against authority) : ...as if anybody gives a shit.

Whining about a site you voluntarily post: Nice to see it's business as usual at NB.

Dismissal of a site wherein you voluntarily post: Back to life.

Whining and Whining and Whining about a site wherein you volutarily post: ...if the NB administrators rolled with an iota of fairness...

Reply to substance of a post OR whine about grammar?: ...should be followed by a colon.  A period makes no sense whatsoever.

Vowing revenge on someone you perceive has wronged you: Every time I'm bored enough to log in to this train wreck, I'll just track your comments and correct every single grammar error.

Complete focus on children and the lifestyle of children: ...synonym for "stupid" by, what, 8th grade?  ... What is this, Harry Potter?  Are you 9? ... ...the mentality of a little kid playing with his GI Joes.  Grow up.

 

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Heh, I assume you're betting

Submitted by JasonC on Tue, 01/18/2011 - 6:35pm.

Heh, I assume you're betting that no one will click on the link that you provided for this complaint:

 

Reply to substance of a post OR whine about grammar?: ...should be followed by a colon.  A period makes no sense whatsoever.

  I'd be delighted to hear from any NBers who can extract from the post in question a molecule of substance to which I possibly could have replied.  Take a second look, Sporty.  It's a dozen or so lines of you haranguing Balboa, in your usual mentally-balanced way, for not filling out the subject line to your liking.  It's Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V action at its finest.     As for swearing, if the mods have a problem with it they are perfectly free to censor it or to censure and/or ban me.  It is, however, rather funny that you've chosen to repost the offending four-letter word on a totally different thread.  Kind of like the 4th-grader who shouts out "Teacher! Johnny said 's--t'!"     Oops, I made another reference to childlike behavior!  I've played right into JWF's trap.  Curses!     As you may have noticed, my "vow of revenge" was just so much empty bluster.  I'll leave the pointless pedantry to you.  Now go forth, and rid NB Land of those who dare not fill in subject lines!  Post rapier-wit insults on completely apolitical, three-year-old forums!  Copy/Paste nonsensical, vaguely-insulting ramblings over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again wherever thou spotteth a troll.  Go!  Go!     Just kidding.  Wanna be buddies?
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Phweet.

Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 12:55am.

You go girl. Tell off the word bully. Word bully will now be nice to trolls because you point out the word bully is not nice to trolls. Phweet.

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~Hummmmmmmmmm

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 6:00pm.

*hands holding temples*

I see the number....42. Also, a blonde woman holding a tennis racket. Wait, what is she doin.. JER!!! Stop that!

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Not bad, Brudini,

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 6:20pm.

That other person is a woman, and she is blonde, but that's not my tennis racquet she's holding.   By the way, she calls me "Ace".

"42"?  I have a pretty good idea, but I better PM you.

Jer

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Oh there is good and evil

Submitted by kraythe on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:34am.

Funny you should methon WWII. That was a war when the head of the German "National Socialist German Workers Party" took his country to war to take over europe. The Socialiat-Communist Stalin, and Socialist Hitler divided up Europe like two butchers arguing over a pig and then Hitler wanted the whole pig. Of course Stalin beat Hitler in the contest of how many poeple he could kill. Hitler could only manage about 12 million but stalin did twice that in the forced Ukraine famine alone. Not to be outdone Mao Tse Tung went for the record of most murdered and still holds it today. Fidel Castro and Che Guvarra tried in their own worlds ,but Communist Mao still holds the record.

Strange how the biggest psychos of our time have come from the left.

Socialism and Communism is the antithesis of Freedom and Liberty. Socialism and communism are evil, freedom and liberty are good. Once you learn this, the rest of politics is easy.

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Well, that was reductive. 

Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:18pm.

Well, that was reductive.  Thank you for the history lesson, though.  I had been entirely unaware of who Hitler was until just this moment.

In what sense, aside from the populist choice of name, was the Nazi party Socialistic, much less Communistic?  By which I mean, how was it at all in accordance with Marx & Engels?  Hitler hated Communists.  And all of the failed, brutal totalitarian states that claimed to be Marxist in origin in fact completely betrayed basically every principle laid out in The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.  Marx would have punched Chairman Mao and Stalin in their ugly little faces if he'd had the chance. 

In fact, the closest to a real Marxist state the Western world has ever gotten, I would argue, was in pre-World War I America.  Right up until imperialist Wilson and fascist Palmer essentially made it a crime to be a leftist or a pacifist, a true blue-collarocracy was well on its way.  Ironically, given her disgust with federal government and her pandering to the working/middle-class, this is exactly the sort of thing that Palin practically extoles in her own grammatically-mangled speeches.  That is what true socialism actually is; not a health care/taxation measure so mild that Republicans were on board with basically the same thing in the mid-90s.

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Not wild about this one

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:03pm.

I have to give Palin credit for a thoughtful, well sourced statement.

Having said that, I'm not sure "blood libel" is the way to go.  Certainly, it has the same shock value as "death panels", and will have all of the chattering class agog at Palin's bold use of language.  The term will probably enter the pop lexicon, so perhaps in the long run, it's a good thing, although in light of the current situation, I suspect it may be a little too over-the-top.

To be certain, Palin will be criticized for upstaging President Obama's "healing speech" today (this one I'm inwardly laughing about).  If Obama delivers his usual, plodding, professorish, pseudo-intellectual speech today, the outcry over Palin's "upstaging" by the liberal media will be huge, and she'll be accused of playing politics.  Well, she'll probably be accused of that regardless of the speech Obama gives.

Bottom line, though, good for Palin for not allowing anyone to silence her, or ultimately, us.  Her points, as usual are spot on.  This statement might be the one to actually cause liberal heads to explode.  Wait, is that too violent for liberal sensibilities?

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Obama's goal in his speech is

Submitted by MidAmerica on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:56pm.

Obama's goal in his speech is to be 'Presidential'.  He is going to stand up and help us deal with our grief.  To let us lean on his strength.  To lead us through our sorrow.  HAH!  He couldn't lead us through Wal-Mart.

  But in reality obama is too late.  The shameless media has diverted the nations attention away from the actual tragedy and into a political debate.  Tears have been replaced by rancorous accusations.

   This reminds me of a very sorrowful funeral I once attended.  People were crying and sniffling, blowing their noses... and then the preacher began his service. He talked and talked and talked and little of it had anything to do with the deceased.  The crying stopped.  People began squirming restlessly in their chairs.  Because of this preachers distracting blathering the mourners attention shifted away from the deceased to their own discomfort.  So like I say, obama is too late to the funeral.  The media has misdirected the focus for the event and now instead of looking at obama's speech for healing language it will scrutinized for political content and context.

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Will watch for the squirming audience

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:14pm.

That is, if the adoring cameras ever pan away from the Messiah, oh great leader who can't find the front door of Walmart.

That was funny stuff, I don't care who you are...thanks for the laugh.

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Blood Libel is perfect.

Submitted by richb313 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:07pm.

Blood Libel is an emotionally charged term with historical implications but those are not why it is perfect. It is perfect because people will argue about the incorrect or inapproriateusage and miss the forrest for the trees, meanwhile common sense people will see idiots arguing about nothing while ignoring the main point. It is a test that will divide the trivial from the important. If a person can not see what is most important when it is right in front of them then anything they say or advice they give is worthless.

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Interesting reply

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:12pm.

Certainly a very valid observation.  I'm going to ponder it as I watch the imminent media firestorm play out.

As I said, I wasn't "sure" about its usage in this instance.  I hope you are correct. 

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Miss Blonde

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:17pm.

I humbly offer something to maybe think about. Sarah is smart and seems to be good at setting the media up. Perhaps she used that phrase to make sure the media would talk about her statement and get more people to watch the video. Also she is giving them one desperate thing to complain about at a time when 60% of Americans think they are full of crap.

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No doubt, Hoosier

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:26pm.

I'm convinced Palin is a fan of Rush Limbaugh's approach to handling the hostile media.  As someone said earlier, on down the thread (again using military terms, hee hee)....she's conserved her ammo, allowing the enemy to assault an impenetrable position (public agrees), before firing off her first salvo.

 

P.S.  Blonde will do....and my friends sometimes use Blondie.  :)

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Blood Libel

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:27pm.

Already Politico has pointed it out. Scanning through the piece, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of commentary though I suspect this is the first of many on this subject on that particular site. I'm sure the "Palin's an idiot for using a term that has nothing to do with Arizona" straight news pieces are being written as I type this.

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It's too bad Palin can't just

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:08pm.

It's too bad Palin can't just confront the fact that actions have consequences and make even the most rudimentary mea culpa for the violent imagery and rhetoric that she and her cohorts have employed.

I wouldn't for a moment dare suggest that Palin is personally responsible for what happened.  But as Clyburn recently pointed out, she has proven heself intellectually incapable of understanding the difference between being accused of actually causing the tragedy or being in cahoots with Loughner (which only the most virulently off-kilter person would suggest) and being accused of deploying highly inappropriate, combat-oriented,  and juvenille iconography in reference to political enemies - iconography that has manifested in reality, and in ways that, granted, Palin never could have foreseen.

But perhaps she would seem slightly less repugnant if, instead of backing into a corner and making ludicrous claims like "Those aren't gun sights!  They're just crosshairs like you'd see on any map!" (?!?!?!), she would call on the people who inexplicably find her inspiring to knock off the whole "We came unarmed - this time" nonsense. 

But no, as usual, she contributes - as much as if not more than the media that vilfies her - to making it  all about her.  Do you ever wonder why we on the left who find her a bumbling menace tend to reserve our strongest criticism for her?  It's not for the usual unimaginative reasons (that we're so intimidated by her no-nonsense Grizzly Mama persona, or garden variety elitism); it's because, more than any politician in recent memory, more than Obama even, she represents empty rhetoric wrapped up in an enormously self-enamored and cocooned cult of personality.

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Pffft.

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:13pm.

Pffft.

When you've got nothing else, just repeat the same tired, disproved arguments. You're boring.

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Haha.  Disproved?  How? 

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:16pm.

Haha.  Disproved?  How?  Statements of fact are disproved.  Subjective arguments, not so much.

Imagine how Palin would shut up the media - and people like me who find her whole attitude and public stance highly toxic - if she just made the most basic reflection that she now regrets her own use of rhetoric and imagery and pledged to cease using creepily violent combat metaphors in her political sloganeering.  There wouldn't be much left for us to say then.

And it might even help her salvage her future political career which, as of now, is going down the tubes.

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Imagine how Palin would shut

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:27pm.

Imagine how Palin would shut up the media - and people like me who find her whole attitude and public stance highly toxic - if she just made the most basic reflection that she now regrets her own use of rhetoric and imagery and pledged to cease using creepily violent combat metaphors in her political sloganeering.  There wouldn't be much left for us to say then.

That cannot possibly be a serious position.

You're asking that Sarah Palin admit guilt for doing what has been done in the politcal arena since the inception of this country, and longer in others, as though it is unique to her. And then, having done that, idiots on the left would suddenly be forgiving over her confession?

You can't be that stupid.

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Like everyone else, you're

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:37pm.

Like everyone else, you're overblowing this.  I'm saying that if Palin were to say something like "I apologize for the targets placed over Giffords' and others' districts.  I of course meant it metaphorically, and this tragedy has thrown into relief the inappropriateness of using such imagery" instead of denying they ever existed or claiming they (the targets) were not meant to represent gun sights, then the media and people like me would basically be dead in the water.  But no, any admission of bad judgment would be a sign of weakness.  So she goes with the Blood Libel thing.

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No you're missing the point

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:46pm.

It wasn't bad judgment. It was language. I didn't see Conservatives running out to their local outdoor sports store, purchasing long guns (see, the crosshairs are only in a scope, not on the end of a Glock) and shooting 20 swing-district democrats.

What did happen was a lunatic kid of either an apolitical or left-wing bent purchased a semi-automatic pistol with no scope (and thus no crosshairs) and in a fit of either rage or some perceived vengance that began more than a year before Palin came on the national scene and more than two years before her parroted map offended your delicate sensibilites, shot a Congressman and many others (who's political offiliations have yet to be determined.)

Sarah Palin has no more culpability in this than you do. Are you apologizing?

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~Jason

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 3:22pm.

No. If she'd apologized for having been willfully misconstrued the media would be all over it with things like, "Palin has apologized for inspiring murder".

Good to see you; stick around wouldja?

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Howdy, R.  Long time no

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:14pm.

Howdy, R.  Long time no see.

My point is simply this: Palin, or someone who works for her, anyway, scrubbed her website of the crosshair imagery within an hour of the shooting.  That rather definitively shows that, after the shootings, she had a reaction vis-a-vis her cute little map along the lines of "Oh, s--t."  Seems to me it would have been smart to confront that rather than backpedal and deny.

I don't think I'll be sticking around that much.  Pretty busy these days, know what I mean? ;)

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Dull point Jason

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:24pm.

Since the entirety of it requires that the crosshairs map not be available on Sarah Palin's Facebook page, I point you to this link. I think it's fair to say you must now admit defeat.

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Wow, so it's still there. 

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:42pm.

Wow, so it's still there.  Well, I was not referring to her FB page but to TakeBackthe20.com, a site also run by Palin.  But thank you for showing me that it's still on her vaunted FB page, the same odious forum in which she introduced the world to the "Death Panels" that her fevered imagination spun out of thin air.  Lovely to see that she's vile and stubborn enough to actually leave that graphic up somewhere after the shooting.

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~I sure do!

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:35pm.

The way I see it, if I'd been her I'd have taken that down simply out of sensitivity to the family. I'm sure you've seen the Dems map from a couple of years prior where they used actual bulls-eyes and the phrase "Behind Enemy Lines". If someone from one of those districts had been shot, would the Dems be culpable? Would anyone even be implying it?

The thing that makes this situation unique is the way the media hammers Palin for every stupid little thing. First it was clothes, her accent, where she lives, what she reads or doesn't read. Is her baby really her baby? Did she get breast implants? Is that an old campaign visor she scribbled on? What's that written on her hand? She's a quitter, she's an evil money-making slutty librarian who probably didn't really write her book and she should be raped/hate-f*cked.

So no, she shouldn't act like she did anything wrong by putting up a map just like all the other politicos do. She should tell all the hacks trying to gin up a controversy and assassinate her character to step off.

It actually gets easier when you have more than one, it takes the pressure to entertain off of you. Kids love playing with other kids; any time I set the baby down he's immediately surrounded by a cluster of siblings all vying for a smile from him. It's great. Check your PM's.

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I love my little Bella more

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:43pm.

I love my little Bella more than I've ever loved anyone/thing, but good God, don't even suggest having another one!  Daddy needs his sleep.

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~Oh, you poor thing

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:51pm.

We've been very fortunate, all of ours have been heavy sleepers who pass out when the sun goes down. I'm a very light sleeper, so I always keep the baby by the bed where I can feed him/her easily. If I had to get up and walk around to take care of the baby I'd never get any sleep.
 

If she has any problems with colic or the like, PM me. I know every trick in the book.

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Thanks! Oh and on that

Submitted by JasonC on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:17am.

Thanks!

Oh and on that note, three guesses as to why I'm still awake right now despite having to be up at 5 for work tomorrow.  I'm not gambling on another snow day tomorrow...

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~Three guesses..

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 5:57pm.

*drums fingers*

  1. John Wayne marathon on AMC
  2. Too many low-fat vanilla chai double foam soy lattes
  3. Arguing with conservatives on the internetz

Am I close? :-p

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I guess #3 was technically

Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:24pm.

I guess #3 was technically accurate, but it was also incidental to the real reason, which is 5 months old & not a nighttime sleeper... 
 

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~Yeah

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:49pm.

My little guy was 5 months old yesterday, but he takes after his dad (thank goodness) when it comes to sleep. A bomb wouldn't wake him up. LOL

If there's some way to keep her awake more during the day, and especially in the early evening, you can gradually ease her into a schedule that'll be a little more parent-friendly. May the Force be with you, young Skywalker. ;)
 

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I'll bet he can be that stupid, keyser...

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:44pm.

I'll bet he can!  He seems terminally consumed with Palintology Disorder Syndrome.

And by the way, where are all of Palin's "opponents" in the Republican party?  The MSM wanted Palin to make a statement.  Are they not interested in what other potential presidential candidates think?  

I have a feeling all of the "men" are ducking for cover (military image over the top?) while the "girl" is taking this charge head on (there I go again!).

Comrade Bubba
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hello Newsbubba

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:05pm.

Whoever runs in 2012 (probably some moderate like Romney) will be able to do so because of Sarah almost singlehandedly fighting the Dems for 2 years. She gave us death panels, she inspired us not to retreat after obamacare went through, she helped people like Rubio get into the senate. Now she is the one on the front line protecting conservatives through this. Every Republican in America owes success to her.

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Hoosier,

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 5:30pm.

You are on target.  Fire for effect. (Damn!  There I go again with the violent "rhetoricy" stuff)

BTW, check out this video for the latest Obama fund raiser.  I have it on good authority that Sarah Palin sent her thugs in to start this.  Either that or it was Rush's radio show.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/florida/police-probe-wild-melee-c...

Comrade Bubba
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Romney is gonna crash and

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:04pm.

Romney is gonna crash and burn because of his Mass Care law that is going down in flames.  Palin is the only canditate with the guts to fight.

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark
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Good Point

Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:31pm.

1.  Both Palin and the shooter have been described as "anti-religious" by former friends.

2.  Both Palin and the shooter have been described as ""left wing" and "quiet liberal" by former friends.

3.  Both Palin and the shooter have been described in the media as "9/11 truthers".

4.  Both Palin and the shooter have been known to make abortion jokes.

5.  Both Palin and the shooter are known to enjoy a good, old fashioned flag burning.

6.  Both Palin and the shooter apparently think the movie, "Inception" is really a documentary.

 

Yes, I see your point.   And it must be difficult to find a hat that fits over it.

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So Jason, before Palin has a

Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:31pm.

So Jason, before Palin has a need to make some sort of a "I'm sorry world" statement, you must first prove your subjective arguments that its her fault.

So far I have seen no proof of any guilt. All I have heard is the media looking to pin it on her. When in reality, if we are talking about rhetoric, it's the media that is printing it and repeating it. Without them, no one would know.

Hey...wait a sec...lets revisit the first amendment here...

 

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Your premise ignores the fact

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:40pm.

Your premise ignores the fact that I have not suggested that Palin is to blame for the shooting.  In fact, I have adamantly claimed otherwise.

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So why should she apoligize?

Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:55pm.

So why should she apoligize? For the media?? They would, and will, continue to pound on her. They dont give a hoot. They also dont seem to get the fact that the majority of Americans don't buy their nonsence.

The more they squeal, the more they fail.

 

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Fail

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:14pm.

No, Jason. 

Your post is merely a more eloquently stated verson of the fringe media's hypocrital and one-sided take on the situation, which has been deconstructed and refuted here for three days.

Not only fail, epic fail.

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What "action"?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:16pm.

Here, stare at this symbol for 15 seconds:

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Now go on a murder spree and blame me.

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First of all, I specifically

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:24pm.

First of all, I specifically said I do not believe that Palin is responsible for the murders.  Only a fringe lunatic would make such an outrageous claim.

The consequences to which I refer, if it wasn't clear enough the first time, are the waves of disdain and criticism that Palin is now enduring in response not only to her infantile political iconography and choices of words, but to her stubborn refusal to even acknowledge their inappropriateness.  Not the shooting itself.

And, SoL - and others - if you want to play this game in which the right's violently tinged rhetoric has nothing - NOTHING! - to do with actual violence, then I expect never again to hear on NB about how learning about the existence of homosexuality in schools is going to turn kids gay, or how suspect morality in Family Guy is going to corrupt our entire culture, or how non-abstinence-only sex ed is going to turn kids into promiscuous sex-crazed maniacs.  If you want to say that Palin & co.'s rhetoric exists in an absolute vacuum from events that eerily reflect it, fine.  But let's see some consistency.

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Why are you not typing all this about Moulitas?

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:27pm.

Who used the EXACT SAME MAP two years before Palin did?

Or about Obama's many "violent" allusions?  Gun to a knife fight, etc.?

Oh yes, sauce for the liberal goose is not sauce for the conservative gander in your world, I forgot.

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Um, well, because this is the

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:46pm.

Um, well, because this is the first time I've weighed in on this issue here, and Palin is the topic of this particular forum?

But yeah, you're right about the double standard.  Unfortunately, Palin's whole public persona is firearm-intensive.

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I Demand YOU Apologize NOW!

Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:51pm.

You used a violent word!

Ah, you edited it before I was able to reply. 

But you see our point?  Why should Palin have to apologize (particularly since you ascribe to her, in your own words, no blame)....any more than you should have to for calling her a "target"?

That is the crux of the matter.  And the hypocricy of the left for continuing the Palin attack, (although I'd not call your screed an attack, per se), whilst there are an epic numbers of liberals who have used far more "vitriol" than Palin ever has, who are never, ever mentioned, nor blamed in attempt to shame.

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Again, wrong

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:53pm.

Unfortunately, Palin's whole public persona is firearm-intensive.

In your view, maybe. But there are many of us who agree with her politically in other areas as well. I for example, live in Maryland. And while I wholeheartedly agree with her 2nd amendment position, there are no moose here for me to hunt, so I don't equate her with guns like you do.

And just out of curiosity: Who's to blame for Major Hasan's murderous shooting spree?

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Howdy Jason C

Submitted by well99 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:31pm.

Shoot I thought Kevin kidnapped you.Welcome back.Actually using military jargon is pretty standard with pols from both sides of the isle.If you look at the DNC "Behind Enemy Lines" in 2004 where they had bullseyes in Rep districts they felt were vulnerable then Sara was far from the first to use it.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

The thing about Sara I dont remember ever saying someone should be put up against a wall and shot.I might of missed something there.

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

Just a note:Obama's If they bring a knife we will bring a gun seems to me to push the vitirol rhetoric yet we didnt have that brought up after the shooting or punish your enemies. I think as many folks you are judging Sara by the lingo in your area.Rural areas such as mine tend to use hunter terms probably more than where your at.

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Then find a word other than "actions"

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:31pm.

For example, this post I just made is not an action.

And while you're at, find another word for "consequences", because a lone maniac murderer on a rampage is not a consequence...it is an aberration.

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Since we're apparently making

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:33pm.

Since we're apparently making demands of one another, read more closely.

Choosing the words and images with which one publicly and politically represents oneself is indeed an action.

And once again, I use the word "consequence" to refer to the backlash against Palin.  Not.  The.  Shooting.

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So you will ignore the symbol § and not go on a murder spree?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:39pm.

Good. You have proven you are not a psychopath.

Loughner is.

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let me ask you one more question

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:41pm.

Do you think that being accused of accessory to murder is a fitting punishment for someone who campaigns hard against liberals? What you are a saying sounds like a threat, say something we don't like and we will frame you for a crime.

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I hereby ideologically disown

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:49pm.

I hereby ideologically disown any and all commentators who accuse Palin of being an accessory to murder.  That's ridiculous.

My point is that she had better options for how to handle the existence of the creepily ironic content of her anti-left efforts.  Pretending they never existed or that they represent something totally innocuous is, for me at least, what has really stirred up this hostility.

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good grief

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:56pm.

Pretending they represent something totally innocuous; because they do. She is innocent. If the map did not do any damage then it is innocuous. Your whole tone here is that Sarah got what she deserved with the left calling her a killer. 

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You're playing extremes: 

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:04pm.

You're playing extremes:  Either she's as guilty as Loughner or she's not, and she's not, and thus she's pure as the driven snow.

My point is that she's exceedingly naive about politics and about a graceful acknowledgment of her own misguided imagery.  She doesn't want to apologize for it?  She doesn't want to use this as an opportunity to use her considerable (and inexplicable) influence to call for a toning down of gun-oriented rhetoric.  Fine.  That's her right.  But by just burrowing into her patented victim-mode, she makes herself look insensitive and stubborn.  And again, that's her right.  As I said in my very first post today, the most basic, unassuming mea culpa would have totally undercut and rendered impotent the criticism she's now weathering.

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excuse me Mr. Jason C

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:12pm.

I don't understand what you are saying. Really. If she is innocent of any wrongdoing then she has nothing to apologize for. I do not mean for that to sound extreme but I can't figure it any other way. Your point is that Sarah is innocent but she should still apologize just to be safe? That makes no sense. Patentend victim mode? She was literally accused of convincing someone to commit murder. If she is innocent of that (as you say) then she is a victim of being framed for a crime. I am no politics expert but to me it looks like if she did apologize the accusations would NOT go away they would just get louder when people say she confessed.

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It seems to me that

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:25pm.

It seems to me that "admitting guilt" concerning the shooting (which would be utterly ridiculous, of course) and saying something to the effect of "wow, I realize now how horrible those gun targets were" are quite different.  Let's not forget that, within an hour or so of the shootings, the imagery in question was expunged from her site.  So clearly she, or someone working for her, understood their inappropriateness.  Why not acknowledge this from the get go?

But hey, maybe I'm the one who's being naive.

Let me also say, H.C., that I appreciate your respectful and even-handed approach to this conversation.  I'm a longtime NBer, now in semi-retirement, and I believe this is the first time I've seen you here.  It's been a pleasure debating with you.

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wow I am honored!

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:28pm.

I joined newsbusters last week after reading for a long time. I hope to be accepted among the ranks of the great ones here one day. I need to go get some lunch, will see you around!

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A belated welcome

Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 9:01pm.

Glad to have ya

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Of course wrong

Submitted by kraythe on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 11:47am.

Palin has nothing to appologize for. Such symbology and metaphorical speech has been in our language since the dawn of language. Next time you use the phrase, "let the cat out of the bag" are you advocating flogging someone with a 9 tailed whip that has knots at the end and is known to be able to kill in the most brutal way possible? The term "let the cat out of the bag" refers to that ancient seamen punnishment.

Once we accept that Palin has nothing to appologize for, what does it gain her to appologize for anything? If she did, she would have to have 15 censors constantly monitoring every word she says with a beeping button less she used anything construed as martial. For if she said one thing martially oriented, they would be all over her because of the appology.

Once we accept how rediculous that would be we move on to the final point of political usefulness. Though we have to go to an aristocratic politician, not Palin, to find someone that parses words according to polls, as an intellectual exercise we will examine it here.

Palin's comments serve like a moth of liberal rancour to the flame . She puts out the candle and liberals come and swarm around it and destroy themselves on its flame. They say inane things which exposes who they truly all for all of america to see. That is far more useful than words driven by polls.

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if you want to play this game

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:32pm.

if you want to play this game in which the right's violently tinged rhetoric has nothing - NOTHING! - to do with actual violence, then I expect never again to hear on NB about how learning about the existence of homosexuality in schools is going to turn kids gay, or how suspect morality in Family Guy is going to corrupt our entire culture, or how non-abstinence-only sex ed is going to turn kids into promiscuous sex-crazed maniacs.

 

If this- than that. You sound like... hmmmm... Jared Loughner!

You may need to see a mental health professional... quickly.

If JasonC disappears from NB for a while then suddenly returns with a bunch of DKos talking points, he must be Markos Moulitsas. (The parallels are stunning.)

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My point is simply that

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:52pm.

My point is simply that conservatives have a long and rich history of drawing cause-effect relationships between distasteful cultural artifacts and/or social policies and horrific real world events.  Which is never a good idea, in my opinion.  Not when it's to say that Marilyn Manson makes teenagers kill other teenagers, and not now.

But, for the 6th time at least, I'm not accusing Palin of having responsibility for Loughner's actions.

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So you're not accusing Palin

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:05pm.

So you're not accusing Palin of any responsibility but you're asking her to apologize for her words and illustrations that had no bearing in the incident.

I was driving to work and saw the remnants of a car accident yesterday; would you like Sarah Palin to apologize for that too? Of course you wouldn't. So essentially you're saying your initial comment on this thread was a myopic, emotional response based upon pre-determined sensibilities toward someone you disagree with politically.

I say again: Pfffft.

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So you're not accusing Palin

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:08pm.

So you're not accusing Palin of any responsibility but you're asking her to apologize for her words and illustrations that had no bearing in the incident.

Pretty much.  But it's a lot less simplistic than that.  See my posts elsewhere.  At this point I'd be repeating myself.

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Yeah

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:10pm.

I read your posts elsewhere and they're as juvenile and asinine as the 12:08pm comment.

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So you're not accusing Palin

Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:00pm.

So you're not accusing Palin of any responsibility but you're asking her to apologize for her words and illustrations that had no bearing in the incident.

Pretty much.

And this makes sense how?

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respectly to Mr. Jason C

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:38pm.

Here's my effort to debate a liberal, here goes.

It looks like you want to have it both ways where you want to blame Sarah without looking like you blame her. If it's not her fault then there is no point in criticizing her. And then you say this is like teachers putting condoms into kids's hands? If a teacher is looking a child in the face and teaching them how to have sex without getting caught - you are comparing that to some picture on the internet that Jared maybe or maybe not even looked at? That sounds like a stretch.

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Hoosier Con

Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:22pm.

If it's not her fault then there is no point in criticizing her.

Exactly. And see my post below.

It's what they do. And I mean, they ALL do. Turn the TV on, and with the exception (but not completely) of FOX, almost every politics-related show is beating the Palin/Tea Party/conservative drum, finding a way to slip their names in, after they've first "recognized" that this sad incident by a twisted killer appears to not be connected to any ideology (save the gun issue... and, again, "gun/target/attack/fight" jargon is part of the political lexicon on both sides.)

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Fringe Leftist JasonC

Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:17pm.

First of all, I specifically said I do not believe that Palin is responsible for the murders.  Only a fringe lunatic would make such an outrageous claim.

The great and very familiar preface....

And then the intellectual dishonesty begins to drool out from the other side of the Liberal's mouth.

Much like any real Muslim that we quickly discover talks/bloviates hatred towards non-Muslims and the west not unlike what we hear from fundamentalists (only, they haven't killed anyone -- well, other than maybe a death threat/attempt on their own child) this real Liberal sets out to "vaguely" and "subtly" put a little bit of onus on one of our notable conservatives for a heinous tragedy that, by all accounts, is completely unrelated to politics beyond what the field/career was of some of the victims.

You're pretty fringy and borderline (I'm being nice here) lunatic-y, JasonC. All you libs are these days.

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Clyburn is the last person I

Submitted by okie-pastor on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:06pm.

Clyburn is the last person I would use for intellectual capability but that is beside the point.

This whole notion that we should stop using terms like "dont retreat reload" because it is over the top is ridiculous and false.  I am glad Sarah said what she said today and I will not stop using such rhetoric either just because some lunatic went on a shooting spree. 

The Media said that Rush Limbaugh "FIRED BACK" today, maybe we should retool the first ammendment so that it isnt so offensive because that may cause some one to literally "fire' a gun.  Maybe we should tone down the rhetoric because Obama said "when they bring a knife we bring a Gun" that may inspire some left wing mentally ill person to "bring a gun" to a tea party rally.

BTW:  There is NO evidence that what Sarah said incited this lunatic to shoot at Mrs. Giffords if you have that evidence I would like to see it If not please stop your hateful and slanderous rhetoric it may cause some nut to shoot someone.  

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Jason

Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:36pm.

The whole point is that nothing Palin said or did or put on her website was inappropriate. You saying all metaphors are inappropriate now, or just when used by the right?

And you call palin stupid? Look in the mirror.

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It's too bad JasonC is an idiot.

Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:34pm.

But it's not surprising, considering he's a liberal.


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I'm not too sure about whether or not Jason C. is---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:52pm.

an idiot, but his posts do sound pretty much like any other liberal's bullsh*t.

MD

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JasonC. Lunatic Fringe Libtard.

Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:38pm.

OMO.

I take it back. I didn't fully read the opening salvo this creep mucked up our thread with. Forget him being "subtle" or "vague" in putting direct or indirect onus on a conservative.

JC -- when he's almost never here these days -- is suddenly (and color me shocked) compelled to go to his computer, sign-in, and hack away with a carefully written, 4-paragraph post that's NOT about the killer or the event and the people and circumstances involved -- or, at the least, perhaps actually standing with us this one time to denounce the bull***t being spread by the MSM and come to this Alaskan's defense just this once.

No, like the loyal lib he is, he had to further advance the meme and drop this mumbo jumbo, claptrap hit-piece about a conservative politician, a campaign poster and what icon they used at the time.

Shame on you and all liberals for rushing to score points with this tragedy. Seriously.

Talk about "looking for a new gang to join." Your gang really is like one, and is a bunch of shameless punks, if you ask me.

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The Shy Fallacy: Claiming

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:17pm.

The Shy Fallacy: Claiming that an opponent's argument is invalid because there are more important things that could have been argued instead.

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The Jason C.Fallacy---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:34pm.

posting liberal twaddle as though it were somehow meaningful to conservatives.

MD

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It should be important to

Submitted by JasonC on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 10:01pm.

It should be important to you.  Palin is an extremist and a panderer to begin with.  Those of you on the right who would like to see her in the White House in 2012 or 2016 should be extremely concerned about her continued refusal to take responsibility for her words and actions.  If she thinks she can get on the ballot by appeasing the fringes of the Tea Party and pissing off the mainstream/moderates, she will surely be disappointed.

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JasonC

Submitted by well99 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:28am.

No she isnt a extremist.To the left wing probably but anyone that doesnt tow the line is.Didnt you forget to add racist.Just a note:The leftist arent mainstream and far from moderate.So your wrong about pissing off mainstream and moderates.Fringes like the leftist have shown how their lies and propaganda just doesnt cut it.All that propaganda after the shooting is opening peoples eyes to how dispicable the left is.Nothing is below the bottom feeding scuts.They have been caught too many times trying to manipulate the public.

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well99

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:56am.

They have been caught too many times trying to manipulate the public.

And I put all of the leftist machine's "little helpers", like JasonC -- as he's here peddling this same propaganda dreck -- in with what is now a frighteningly large camp and by no means "fringe" anymore: the extreme left.

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Mr Shy

Submitted by well99 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 3:07am.

The leftist have taken over the Dem party.They definately have plenty of propaganda bots to send out.

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OK, she is neither an

Submitted by JasonC on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:22pm.

OK, she is neither an extremist nor panderer.  I'll go with that.  Please then explain to me what positive, pro-active plans she has for this country that do not boil down to empty, rabble-rousing rhetoric meant to convince disgruntled Americans that all of their woe can be traced to the Big Government Bogeyman generally, and the Obama administration specifically.

Without her ill-informed, linguistically-tortured ramblings about Death Panels and Regular Americans, she is nothing.  Nothing.  And she is acutely aware of it.

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JasonC brings us his liberal echo chamber

Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:43am.

Those of you on the right who would like to see her in the White House in 2012 or 2016 should be extremely concerned about her continued refusal to take responsibility for her words and actions.

What is she responsible for, doofus?

This should be a doozy.

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It is easy to see why progressives fear Sarah

Submitted by CT on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:04pm.

Sarah has set the bar high for Obama this afternoon, surly his speech will be measured against this eloquent presentation.

The Obamination must go!
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Indeed it should come as no

Submitted by Reaver on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:08pm.

Indeed it should come as no surprise that the media that has been baselessly attacking Palin is going to attack this speech

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20110112/pl_politico/47477

 

“Palin’s use of the charged phrase “blood libel” - which refers to the anti-Semitic accusation from the Middle Ages that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make matzoh for Passover - touched off an immediate backlash. (see: Full text of Sarah Palin's statement)

“The blood libel is something anti-Semites have historically used in Europe as an excuse to murder Jews – the comparison is stupid. Jews and rational people will find it objectionable,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a New York-based Democratic political consultant and devout Jew. “This will forever link her to the events in Tucson. It deepens the hole she’s already dug for herself… It’s absolutely inappropriate.” (see: The Arena: Palin's 'blood libel' defense fair?)”

Is anyone surprised that they asked “a New York-based Democratic political consultant” to opine? Or what his opinion would be? 

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Opps!

Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:35pm.

I forgot to add to my list above that both Palin and the shooter are obsessed with semantics!

;;Opps

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Sooner or later...

Submitted by AgentAmerican on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:17pm.

Sooner or later...these vultures have to be dealt with. The left is the embodiment of evil and nothing is beneath them. There is a way to do this without violence. It's called standing together and becoming even more louder in the streets. When the bastards on the left see that we are united and determined to overcome their influence, they are finished. Even Obama the Deciever.

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Sarah Palin waited much too long to respond to this lunacy

Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:21pm.

She should have put this out first thing Monday morning at the latest. 

Sunday morning would have been even better.

Conservatives must stop letting the left kick the crap out of them with impunity for days on end before responding.

This is war, after all.

-Dave

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I Disagree

Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:44pm.

Her timing is perfect.  It is better to let the enemy exhaust themselves attacking an impregnable position before launching the counter attack.  The smart ones started back peddling yesterday, so they are already on the back foot and off balance.  Her favorables will increase significantly by the end of February.

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I agree

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:51pm.

She waited long enough for the media to look foolish and the polls to show no one believed them. They spent all of their ammo already and no one is listening to them now, so when they attack her for this it won't have any credibility.

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Oh, Al.

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:58pm.

You said "enemy," "attack," "counter attack," all in the first sentence!  It's all I can do to keep from picking up a fully automatic weapon and adjusting the attitude of the entire street.

Please try to avoid such violent imagery in the future.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Comrade Bubba
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Mia Coppa Amigo!

Submitted by JustAl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:10pm.

Shoot! I hope my going off half cocked doesn't trigger anything that ends up putting me in the cross hairs of liberal magazines.  But hey, I did like her film clip, and don't understand why others would recoil from it.  So I think I'll slide on out of here and take a powder, as I tip my cap and go.

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Stop it JustAl !!! So many

Submitted by Scuba Dude on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:32pm.

Stop it JustAl !!!

So many words you used in this comment to incite violence

Shoot

going off

half cocked

trigger

cross hairs

magazine

clip

recoil

slide

powder

cap

Any actions by individuals reading your comment are on YOUR head!!!!!

/sarc off

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Ain't that the truth, Scuba Dude!

Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 5:38pm.

I even put him down as an accessory when I got arrested for whacking five chickens, an iguana, three manatee, and a couple of key deer in a fit of rage after his first post.  I tried for a few cats, but those suckers are fast!

I just couldn't help myself.

They're coming after you Al.

Comrade Bubba
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This sounds imminently

Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:23pm.

This sounds imminently reasonable and measured ... one might say Presidential.  I was on FB and My cousin said that Palin was dumb as rocks ... used catchy phrases, sound bites and her family.  I was thinking that it sounded like all politicians.  Go Sarah Go.  Palin is coming along and based on her demeanor and answers to questioning about her Presidential aspirations, I believe she is gonna give it a go.

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thank you Sarah

Submitted by Hoosier Conservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:30pm.

The experts can talk all they want to about her not being qualified as a politician, but then why is she doing a better job right now than GOP leaders. Republicans in Congress, ask yourself why conservatives sit around saying "Sarah Palin needs to make a statement" before they ever hope for one from you guys.

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I thought Sarah's statement

Submitted by marpel on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:44pm.

I thought Sarah's statement sounded VERY Presidential.  I think her timing was correct because it was best to cool off from the anger, I'm sure she felt, after being blamed for this shooting. 

This will backfire on the media, and hopefully, on this wingnut who calls himself a sheriff in Pima County.  They should all be ashamed of themselves.  What they've done is placed blame on everyone except where blame should be placed...on the shoulders of the shooter...he's the criminal here, not Sarah or Rush or anyone else, conservative or liberal. 

You know who I think is dangerous right now? People like Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough whose relentless opining will incite violence against Conservatives and Tea Partiers..And we're not retreating....we really are reloading...with all due respect.

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Sarah seemed more

Submitted by okie-pastor on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:46pm.

Sarah seemed more presidential in this clip than she has since her speech at the RNC convention.  I loved when she invoked Reagan when she stated "We must reject the notion that every time a law is broken that society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker"

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Blood Libel

Submitted by fastaire54 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 12:50pm.

Watch what is going to happen now. Based on an article on the WaPo this term "blood Libel" is not acceptable to be used by Palin. It is apparently one of those terms reserved for use by only certain groups who have a special dispensation from liberals. I am waiting in great anticipation to be amused as every singe left wing outlet begins to jump on this angle of the Palin speech like lemmings. They are so predictable.
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She learned....

Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:24pm.

Whether it's the Democratic Party Media, the MSNBC bunch, opponents or RINOS she has learned.  Not to cower, not to apologize but to stand up for what she believes in.

 Remember her speech at the Republican convention and how energized we became?  That's what still scares the crap out of the left.  

Sarah is the new Bush,  

Whatever goes wrong it's Palins fault.                                                                                                  It's been going on for some time but this incident in Arizona shows how afraid they are of her.      If there's a plane crash, a terrorist  plot, a natural disaster the left will attack.  

Typical Noam Chomsky tactic.

The sad part is that as a nation we have lost our so called mainstream media to an arm of the radical left in this country.  Objectivity is scorned by the left and as far as vitriol and hate speech and pure mean spiritedness just turn to MSNBC.  

She may not be another Reagan (YET), but don't forget how they derided and scorned him.

"Don't let the bastards grind you down."

Red
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Sarah is not done.

Submitted by Bobbygn on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:15pm.

The left will continue to bash. They will continue to take things out of context.  They will continue to grab on to every term used by this lady. 

Some commentators have even slobbered about whether she is finished politically.

Not in a hundred years is she done!

When everyone is as sick and tired of them as I am Sarah will come back stronger then ever.  The crap she is putting up with now in her usual classy way is doing nothing but inflaming the people behind her to rally against this left wing media garbage and liberal slander.

She will come out of this stronger then ever.   Trust me.......

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This whole thing may win

Submitted by marpel on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:26pm.

This whole thing may win Sarah the Presidency....

"Deep within my heart lies a memory.  A song of ol' San Antone..."

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JasonC,

Submitted by lunchbox on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:29pm.

JasonC,

You want Sarah Palin to give some mea culpa and apologize.    Yet you say she's not responsible for what happened in Arizona.    Then there's no reason for her to apologize.    I have no idea what you're expecting an apology for when you state that she bears no responsibility for what happened.

You also said you wanted her to explain that her words were meant metaphorically.   She did.   And very clearly.   The article you commented on put her words right in there for you where she said this.   And if you didn't feel like reading them they put in the video where she gave this explanation too.  

Give it up.   You have no legit issue with her on this. 

 

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Jason knows that if Palin

Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:22pm.

Jason knows that if Palin apologizes, even though she has zero culpability here,  it will hurt her politically. He'll probably disagree, but that it's it in a nutshell. This whole discussion is shameful partisan politics.

Fortunately, Sarah is firing back with both barrels (yeah, I said it).

“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

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Palin should apologize for drunk driving deaths

Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:40pm.

They aren't her fault, but she's still responsible, and should apologize anyway. Loughner ain't got nothing on JasonC. Two sides of the same nutjob coin.


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Jason is not a nut. He just

Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 3:04pm.

Jason is not a nut. He just thinks we're stupid enough to buy his politically-motivated BS. Sorry, but that's not happening.

“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

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Yahoo Comments

Submitted by AgentAmerican on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:46pm.

I think the comments section in the Yahoo have become a wildlife reserve for moonbats:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20110112/pl_politico/47477_1

Read at your own risk:

"As with most extremists, Palin has finally had to lay in her own bed after having made it for the past two years. It took an election to prove that to Goldwater and his followers. Hopefully she will now retire.
Good ridance to her and Sharon Angle. Let's see how influential Tea Partiers are now."

"This is the same damsel in distress act that she has used since she surficed... She is always the victim... Amazing!"

"Sarah Palin doesn't get it, the woman is ignorant. Ignorance is a choice and she made hers!"

The rabid sea of hate is amazing, complete with stupidity.

"Occupy this...I dare you."
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AP Bias in action

Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:51pm.

The AP released an "article ' on this earlier today (I saw it on the Washing Times just after they released it) and I noticed that they (the AP) couldn't  resist repeating the "cross-hair" clams and , after just 10 minuets, actually changed the "AP photograph" from one of just Sara Palin to a copy of her two year old Facebook "map." Geeze, I wonder why they did that?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

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"Sarah is an idiot!" She's a

Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 1:46pm.

"Sarah is an idiot!" She's a moron!" "She's stupid!" "She's unelectable!"

 

Ha! She smacks these fools down time and time again.  Who's the fool now?  Great response !

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Dershowitz coming to Palin's defense?? Holy crap!!

Submitted by kch50428 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:46pm.

 

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/exclusive-alan-dershowitz-de...   Has hell frozen? Pigs flying? Dershowitz coming to Palin's defense?? Holy crap!!
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Beat me to it kch! I posted

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 2:50pm.

Beat me to it kch! I posted the same link in the Capeheart thread. Nice catch!

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don't they realize?

Submitted by ripper58 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 4:32pm.

that the more they attack her the stronger she gets?.... simply put they are FOOLS..........................................keep up the good work

"I got pie" ...BHO 2011
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Looks more and more like the liberal attacks on Palin---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:57pm.

affect her about the same way spinach affects Popeye.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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DEATH OF A PRESIDENT.... the movie

Submitted by RedNeckinaBlueState on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:01pm.

Imagine if it was about the current TOTUS.........................

nuff' said

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Wikipedia changes to "Blood Libel"

Submitted by Tomh on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:26pm.

Interesting ... the wikipedia page for "Blood Libel" has had 143 updates since yesterday morning (up to now).   Of course ... the generic usage of blood libel has been studiously scrubbed.

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The worker drones have been activated,

Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:31pm.

and the hive is buzzing with activity.

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