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AP: Giffords Shooter 'Believed the U.S. Government Was Behind 9/11'

By Noel Sheppard | January 10, 2011 | 11:54

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As media outlet after media outlet advances the bogus theory that Jared Lee Loughner was incited to kill innocent people by the rhetoric of prominent conservatives, details emerging about the life of the Tucson gunman completely refute such assertions.

Adding to the growing list of evidence countering these claims is the following juicy tidbit buried in an Associated Press piece published Sunday (h/t Hot Air):

He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11.

You know many conservatives that think the government, led by George W. Bush at the time, orchestrated the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?

Further countering the absurdity of media claims concerning Loughner, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday:

"All he did was play video games and play music," said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

Did Loughner's "frustration with the Bush Administration" and belief "the U.S.government was behind 9/11" come from watching Fox News? Or listening to conservative talk radio? Or reading Sarah Palin's midterm elections strategy?

More importantly, it seems Loughner had a personal disliking for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) that had absolutely nothing to do with anything conservatives were saying about her, President Obama, or Democrats.

Once again from the Journal:

[Alex] Montanaro said his friend "was never really political," but "really tried to be philosophical." Mr. Loughner liked "contemplating the meaning of words and the origin of language," Mr. Montanaro said.

That interest might have triggered Mr. Loughner's first meeting with Ms. Giffords in 2007. Mr. Loughner said he asked the lawmaker, "How do you know words mean anything?" recalled Mr. Montanaro. He said Mr. Loughner was "aggravated" when Ms. Giffords, after pausing for a couple of seconds, "responded to him in Spanish and moved on with the meeting."

Mother Jones elaborated on this Monday:

At 2:00 a.m. on Saturday—about eight hours before he allegedly killed six people and wounded 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), in Tucson—Jared Lee Loughner phoned an old and close friend with whom he had gone to high school and college. The friend, Bryce Tierney, was up late watching TV, but he didn't answer the call. When he later checked his voice mail, he heard a simple message from Loughner: "Hey man, it's Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later."

That was it. But later in the day, when Tierney first heard about the Tucson massacre, he had a sickening feeling: "They hadn't released the name, but I said, 'Holy shit, I think it's Jared that did it.'" Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a "fake." Loughner's animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. [...]

The affidavit [filed against Loughner Sunday] also mentions that police searching a safe in Loughner's home found a letter from Giffords' office thanking the alleged shooter for attending a August 30, 2007, event.

Tierney, who's also 22, recalls Loughner complaining about a Giffords event he attended during that period. He's unsure whether it was the same one mentioned in the charges—Loughner "might have gone to some other rallies," he says—but Tierney notes it was a significant moment for Loughner: "He told me that she opened up the floor for questions and he asked a question. The question was, 'What is government if words have no meaning?'"

So Loughner has been angry with Giffords for well over three years - well before Sarah Palin and the Tea Party burst into the limelight.

Adding to this, as NewsBusters reported Sunday, another friend of Loughner's has come out and stated definitively that he was a liberal, a fact that ABC's "This Week" chose to ignore during their interview with Caitlin Parker.

Hours later, Pima County Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik admitted that there is currently no evidence that Loughner was in any way motivated by what Dupnik during a news conference described as "vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business."

Which means that as Glenn Reynolds marvelously observed in Monday's Wall Street Journal:

With only the barest outline of events available, pundits and reporters seemed to agree that the massacre had to be the fault of the tea party movement in general, and of Sarah Palin in particular. Why? Because they had created, in New York Times columnist Paul Krugman's words, a "climate of hate." [...]

To paraphrase Justice Cardozo ("proof of negligence in the air, so to speak, will not do"), there is no such thing as responsibility in the air. Those who try to connect Sarah Palin and other political figures with whom they disagree to the shootings in Arizona use attacks on "rhetoric" and a "climate of hate" to obscure their own dishonesty in trying to imply responsibility where none exists. But the dishonesty remains. [...]

I understand the desperation that Democrats must feel after taking a historic beating in the midterm elections and seeing the popularity of ObamaCare plummet while voters flee the party in droves. But those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrate precious little actual concern for America's political well-being when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.

Indeed. Especially hypocritical is that these same folks now pointing fingers at the Right were willing accomplices for the prevalent hate speech directed at the Bush administration by the Left:

  • Were media outraged when a film came out in 2006 about the assassination of George W. Bush?
  • Were media outraged when Bill Maher was sorry the 2007 assassination attempt on then Vice President Dick Cheney failed?
  • Were media outraged by comments made by The Real Radio Hatemongers?
  • Were media outraged by all the examples of progressive invective in the past ten years chronicled by Michelle Malkin Monday?

The answer to all four questions is "No," for in media's view, anything said about a conservative irrespective of how virulent is protected by free speech.

How different this tune gets every time there's an act of extreme violence in this country that they can disgracefully tie - irrespective of the facts! - to conservative voices.

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Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Click here to follow Noel Sheppard on Twitter.
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The "Schools"

Submitted by iveseenitall on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:09pm.

Why didn't the "schools" pick up on this kid's problems? Maybe because he was, as described by his classmates, a "left-wing pothead". Many "teachers" actually encourage left-wing rhetoric and the use of pot. They spew wild theories right in their own classes. He was simply a reflection of themselves.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" ( progressive)

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I suspect an even bigger disconnect

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:51pm.

As more information is made public regarding the shooter and previous behavior, it's starting to look similar to the Virginia Tech shootings, where some school employees recognized a pattern of dangerous behavior, but the system was unable to adequately address it.  In the Va Tech case, the government dropped the ball after the subject had been evaluated as a risk.

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Obama's Politics of Violent Rhetoric!

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:18pm.

The politics of fear, hate and violence!

 Barak Obama, some direct quotes.
"punish your enemies"
"get in their faces"
"bring a gun to a knife fight".

Tuscon shooter. A 9/11 Truther and atheist with penchant for the Communist Manifesto and anarchy. I guess he was listening to his President.


All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
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Media picking loons

Submitted by dbo on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:21pm.

Remember the Iraqi journalist loon that threw his shoe at George W? The collective media practically elevated this whack job to hero status.

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interesting that you left out

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:27pm.

interesting that you left out anything dealing with his mistrust of the government. in fact, the one time you quote the AP article, you left out this whole piece:

"Mistrust of government was Loughner's defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system ("a New World Order currency" one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world..."

If that was his "defining conviction", why did you leave out that piece?

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Lots of people mistrust

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:47pm.

Lots of people mistrust government for different reasons.

Anarchists for instance.

Democrats till Jan 2007.

Remember Hillary Clinton screaming at the top of her lungs how she  WOULD FIGHT any attempt to stop her opposing the government.

Dems fighting words.


All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
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Certainly. So then why was

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:55pm.

Certainly. So then why was that piece left out of the article? Why only take the next sentence and use that not only as the headline, but the major focus of this entire article?

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I just answered your

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:58pm.

I just answered your question.


All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
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You did? Are you saying that

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:11pm.

You did? Are you saying that this guy was just a radical anarchist whose motivations are irrelevant - that this would happen no matter what?

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Makes a heck of alot more sense...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:18pm.

...than the narrative being advanced by pretty much every MSM outlet covering the subject.  Truth is, no one really knows what makes this guy tick.  So your sarcastic assertion holds just about as much water as Paul Krugman's fantasies. 

The article is not trying to find the motives, only defending against those who wish to prematurely blame TEA Party members and candidates.  The MSM has their theory-and that's the problem.  MRC and Newsbusters is shredding that theory (Thankf God!)

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Not every outlet is saying

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:32pm.

Not every outlet is saying the same thing. This has become as divisive as anything out there.

NB is not shredding the theory at all, merely ignoring the bits and pieces that it doesn't like (anything about distrust of the government, his potential inclusion in far-right groups that are anti - immigration, other parts of his reading list) in order to advance it's own theory (this guy HAS to be a liberal!). By doing that, we've missed the whole problem and instead further exacerbates it; instead of looking the problems on both sides, let's just hunker down in our trenches and blame the other side...

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The theory doesn't need shredding...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:02pm.

...cause it's already full of holes.  Every traditional major media outlet has put forth that Sarah Palin's bullseye graphic has something to do with this.  EVERY ONE. CBS, NYT, ABC, CNN, NBC.

Right out of the box.  I don't recall anyone on the right coming out of the box like the AP, et. al. firing full blast at the liberals. 

Hunker down?  You betcha!  Cause we're being fired on without justification.  The only return fire I see is in defense of a politcal movement being unfairly targeted by those in the media who wish to push their own agenda.  The bodies are still warm and all the Liberal MSM can come up with:  Sarah Palin's fault.  I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.

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But don't get me wrong...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:08pm.

...I do agree with you that the overall effect is exacerbation of the problem that we've identified.  Tit for tat is a dangerous game at the end.  I completely agree that we should look at the facts and not jump to conclusions, especially blaming a political movement for the actions of a lone shooter. 

Newsbusters is often a re-active force-they react to what had already been said.  By that sentiment, Newsbusters is offering defensive arguments, saying that there is just as much chance this guy is a liberal whack-job as there is he is a bitter clinger.  Either way, for the MSM to behave as it has is disgusting.

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But NB is supposed to be

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:42pm.

But NB is supposed to be about research and analysis, not trying to defend policital parties. The problem I'm having is something like this was something we saw coming like a slow and horrible train crash:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mithridate-ombud/2010/03/24/medias-myth-right-wing-violence 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/03/30/no-time-real-threat-abc-and-cbs-skip-arrest-man-targeting-gop-s-cantor

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/08/17/times-joe-klein-obamacare-protests-celebration-ignorance

(there's plenty more... it would take me all day to post...)

For the past 2 years, we've seen politicians - mostly Democrats - being attacked, threatened, etc., and instead of looking at the problem, all this place has done it's been to minimize the problem, deflect it, blame the victims, and say "there's no problem here". And it continues on if you read below.

Are both sides to blame? Probably. But why can't just get out of the trenches and call out our own sides instead of trying make it further divisive? Of all the posts on this tragedy, not one has talked about the problems on the right. In fact, this organization encouraged people to find past examples of what Democrats had said in order to keep people angry, keep people divided.

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Not sure where you're going here...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:19pm.

...NB is analyzing the liberal bias in the MSM coverage of this tragedy.  That's what they do.  There is an inherent defense of conservatives because they are often maligned by an unbalanced press.

All your examples are spot-on, if you are trying to further prove my (and NB's) point of the press unfairly marking conservatives as violent while ignoring the whack-jobs in their own liberal midst. Thanks for those--as if I needed further reassurance that plenty of violent people exist on the left.

"For the past 2 years, we've seen politicians - mostly Democrats - being attacked, threatened, etc., and instead of looking at the problem, all this place has done it's been to minimize the problem,"....

And this little gem is the reason I won't be responding to any more of your posts.  If there were any truth to this statement, I would respond "where were you during the Bush administration?"

All "this place" presumably Newsbusters, has done is to demand accountability from our free press

 

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<<insert soundclip of '54 Buick backfiring>>

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:28pm.

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No, it's not

Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:54pm.

Newsbusters is not about "research and analysis"....where on earth did you get that silly notion?

The very first sentence in the "About" tab:

Welcome to NewsBusters, a project of the Media Research Center (MRC), the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias.

You write:

For the past 2 years, we've seen politicians - mostly Democrats - being attacked, threatened, etc., and instead of looking at the problem, all this place has done it's been to minimize the problem, deflect it, blame the victims, and say "there's no problem here"

Really?  Care to list these "mostly Democrats" and the "incidents"?

Because I'm tossing the BS card. 

Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)

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Oh looky at who's back. It's cat hair tick.

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:37pm.

Long time no see.

BTW, I trust government about as far as I could throw it, but I take my frustration out in the voting booth.

There is nothing wrong with mistrusting government. 

The founding fathers of this nation didn't trust government, either, hence the Constitution.

-Dave

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And that's normal people are

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:47pm.

And that's normal people are supposed to do. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world full of normal people, and who knows what people are hearing or saying out there. I should read up on what Reagan had said about personal responsibility... it's out there somewhere I was looking today.

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Ain't that the truth

Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:36pm.

"Unfortunately, we don't live in a world full of normal people"

If we did, there wouldn't be a President Obama.


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Maybe Noel was highlighting

Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:44pm.

Maybe Noel was highlighting the nutiness that permeates the shooter's mind. Truthers surely are a bit -off- wouldn't you agree? That seems to be the basis for this thread, not his distrust of government.

Another thread might be his infatuation over the English language. Or his use of drugs. Or even his past muscial abilities. This one notes his Trutherism as a backdrop for his historical belief system.

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Sure, I can buy that. But I

Submitted by cathartic1 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:51pm.

Sure, I can buy that. But I would further argue it's used to remove any notion that this guy has any conservative leanings.

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cathartic1

Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:42pm.

Are you suggesting that the shooter has conservative leanings?
 

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No need to quote the whole

Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:34pm.

No need to quote the whole article. It was linked, you read it, he told you where to find it.

Should these people paste the whole article here to please you? Keep you from straining your finger to click the mouse button?

Whats up here? Another one of them, aint cha'?

 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!

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cathartic1

Submitted by SharonMcP on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:55am.

Yeah he mistrusted government, show me a 9/11 truther who doesn't.

His mistrust began in 2007.

Hmmm, now who was president in 2007?

Oh yeah, Booooosh!

We say grace and we say ma'am and if you ain't into that we don't give a damn.
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JOURNOLIST 2? Sure smells like it to me.

Submitted by Jack Bauer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:40pm.

The Democrat Run Media's co-ordination, organization, and speed in blaming anyone who disagrees with Obama tells us a few things.

1. They were prepped and ready to go with the blame conservative political rhetoric. The stories were already written, especially the anti-Palin stuff. Believe me, this was in the to be run file.

2. JOURNOLIST 2... I am NO conspiracy nut but it seems to be a reasonable conjecture that thie MASS LEFTISTS RESPONSE really had to be strategized beforehand, maybe months ago .

The idea seems to latch onto ANY act of political violcnce (except when the shooter was OBVIOUSLY A Muslim) within minutes, even seconds, of the violent act and blame opposition to Obama.

3. Think about that. It's a KRISTELLNACHT level of political violence, done rhetorically oevre and over before any information is even out there about the shooter

 It's an all out assault on a significant group of people who have very little power, in the elitist sense. (They are only United States citizens living across nowheresville, after all. It's okay to libel and slander them  and their beliefs.)

The media has allied themselves with the enemies of free discourse. IThat is clear. Where this all goes is beyond me. But it is very dangerous.

And creepy. (I won't even mention the appaling Shepherd Smith. A dreadfully smug, silly man.)


All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
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I'm just waiting...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:41pm.

...for Al Sharpton to open his big mouth.  Then the hypocrisy will have come full circle.

Crazy, crazy crazy...18 wounded? 9 year old girl?  WTF?? Pray for these souls.

The guy's in custody--we'll hear all about his motives soon enough.  The speed at which the MSM spun this story against Sarah Palin is dizzying, but will also be very telling once the facts do come to light.

Frankly, it is up to Newsbusters and MRC to preserve the wild accusations being made at us so we will have ammunition when the dust settles (sorry for the vitriol.)  No way is CNN, NYT, AP and any other "respected" news establishment goin to be able to walk away from these pot-shots, accusing Tea Partiers of inciting violence.  Not with MRC around, anyway.

Most of these reports, are irresponsible at best, downright biased and agenda-driven at worst.

Krugman can suckit.

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Agreed,Jack...

Submitted by iveseenitall on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:44pm.

Right on! JounOlists at work. And as for Smith, I couldn't agree more. Add "almost illiterate" to his characteristics.

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)

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the point is being missed here

Submitted by abeautifulperson on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:21pm.

rather than trying to downplay blame or tag this kook with one political party or another, the issue of the bitter rhetoric needs to be addressed.

we won't get into the gun-ho attitude and ease of accessing such a deadly weapon, right now.

i have an issue with the disrespectful, hateful, divisive words that constantly pour out of politicians and media. hannity calling for vick to be assassinated. politicians publicly calling for the assasination of people like assange or chavez. unacceptable.

a politician suggesting people consider using their 2nd amendment rights to resolve what politics cannot. media personalities commenting on how it is perfectly fine for people to attend rallies, fully armed. even people screaming out loud, interrupting public figures when they are speaking.

this kind of nasty, vicious behaviour is outrageous and completely unacceptable. i don't care who it is. hannity, o'reilly, olbermann, maher. doesn't matter. it's wrong WRONG WRONG.

the reality is MORE of it comes from the right. that's a fact.

what is really disturbing are those on both sides who refuse to take responsibility. Noel, for you to paint this kook as a leftie, you are contributing not helping this situation. you should be ashamed. it's not about the kook. it's about what he's fed.

this is the best opportunity for BOTH sides to STOP with the finger pointing. anyone who puts crosshairs on politicians' heads or rails with violent metaphors should be called out and condemned on boths sides by both sides.

 

 

 


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Hannity called for vick to be assassinated?

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:28pm.

You should be ashamed.

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No retraction? I'm shocked.

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:30pm.

.

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"the reality is MORE of it

Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:33pm.

"the reality is MORE of it comes from the right.  that's a fact."

No, that's your opinion.  Just because YOU believe it does not make it a fact.

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Watch it

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:02pm.

She'll hold her breath...

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Where were you, ABP, when the dems were putting out maps...

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:41pm.

...not with commonly used map symbols, but with bullseyes?

As for most vitriol coming from cnservatives, that is total and utter bullsh*t.

Stop blaming conservatives for what people on your side are doing.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Well, wherever he was it wasn't in the USA

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:41pm.

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Sean Hannity said no such thing. It was Tucker Carlson

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:44pm.

...that said Vick should be executed for what he did, and Carlson is nothing more than a jackass in an elephant suit.

He doesn't even qualify as a part-time RINO.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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I also believe he came out

Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:48pm.

I also believe he came out later and clarified his statement and said he did NOT think Vick should be executed.

It was a stupid thing to say, period.

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Bitter rhetoic effects 5 year

Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:46pm.

Bitter rhetoic effects 5 year old children, and the mentally unstable. Adults hould be able to handle it.

No offense inferred, but if you need to bury your head in the sand, you need to turn off your computer first.

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@ abeautiful person

Submitted by dmaley1714 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:47pm.

Do you have any proof the shooter heard any of these statements or was motivated by them in any way, do not bring down the free speech of others because some nut job shot up the  people. Tucker Carlson made the statment about Vick not Hannity. 

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~Jared Loughner

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:58pm.

Registered Democrat.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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ZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG!

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:26pm.

Nice shooting there, Bru.

LOL - I think you popped him right between the eyes with that one.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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<sigh> Link not working for

Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:30pm.

<sigh> Link not working for me.
 

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Scrubbed by Facebook it seems

Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:58pm.

"<sigh> Link not working for me."

Maybe someone got a screen capture before the scrubbing.


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~Bk

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:17pm.

Check your e-mail in a minute.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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This kook IS a leftist.  A

Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:52pm.

This kook IS a leftist. 

A registered Democrat according to some reports I've seen.  An anarchist by his youtube rantings.   A lefist according to his reading list and many of his friends and associates.  A reject according to the US Army.  A drug user according to his fellow users.

So far two things are certain :  He's not a Tea Party activist and he's not a Conservative.  He is also probably not a Republican.

This character has a history with Giffords dating from 2007 that he has apparently been nursing for 3 years.  The other people he harmed were persons of no known prior aquantance to him and in my mind constitute proof he is crazy.

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Riddle me this, beautiful retard

Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:55pm.

Who put a crosshair on a politicians head?


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That would be you.

Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:53pm.

#81 Now who is being stupid?

Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 12/12/2010 - 6:17pm.

"President Bush should have been in front of the cameras arguing why we went in to Korea and Vietnam as well. All wars that had been started before 2005."

That would be you.

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how can this be excused?

Submitted by abeautifulperson on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:26pm.

"Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M15 with Jesse Kelly"

http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/giffords-opponent-jesse-kelly-held-jun...


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How can this be excused???

Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:31pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM&feature=player_embedded 

 

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no it cannot.

Submitted by abeautifulperson on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:36pm.

totally inexcusable.


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Well then,

Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:38pm.

please go to all the lefty sites and point this out.  Then, you can come back here and criticize conservatives.  Until then, you're just a typical hypocritical lefty.

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i have argued with gun-toting "lefties"

Submitted by abeautifulperson on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:12pm.

and i have already complained about that particular video directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od_aRCYytDM

problem is, dems aren't necessarily left. just left of you. it is disconcerting to see how there are so many absolutes. there's nothing wrong with conservatism. i don't agree with it, but conservatism isn't the crackpot stupidity that comes out of glenn beck's mouth, or sara palin's, or limbaugh's. there are lots of decent conservatives who realize what a pack of clowns those guys are.

problem is today, the pickin's for decent conservative politicians is so low, anyone on the right get supported by those on the right, for the sake of unity. surely no one feels the above video is acceptable behaviour or anything to rally behind. it's embarrassing.

and for the record, i find plenty of olbermann says unpalatable. i don't pick sides like that.


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~Riiiiiight

Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:32pm.

Obviously this led directly to the shooting, since the person in question was a conservative who campaigned for her opponent. Oh wait, he was a deranged liberal pothead who'd been obsessed with Giffords for three years.

Oops.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"
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Who won that election?

Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:29pm.

Who won that election?

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How can this be excused

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:08pm.

as sane, reasonable speech?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/10/associated-press-g...

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There is nothing to excuse.

Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:21pm.

No crime is being committed.  No one is calling for the commission of any crime. 

Shucks, these folks aren't even smearing some candidate's 16 year old daughter.


 

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Simple

Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:48pm.

"how can this be excused?"

Easily. Unlike you, most people have more than two brain cells to rub together.


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Cathertic and Beutiful Person...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:17pm.

...this issue simply is not about what political party he may or may not have belonged to.

It is about every major media outlet doing exactly what you are decrying: ascribing his actions to motives not yet known, but "assumed" to be those of the right-wing.  Passing off theories and opinions as journalistic fact.  Sarah Palin's name should not have even been mentioned in this discussion, and yet  there are countless talking heads trying to lay this tragedy at her feet, and the feet of millions of TEA Party members.

If we're not allowed to blame Islam for Ft. Hood, then why is it OK to blame the TEA Party for this?

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Unforgiven

Submitted by Cyborg 0427 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:29pm.

I find it totally unforgiveable that these moronic, talking head liberals could use this tragic event for political gain. I have to believe most Americans will not only not fall for this tasteless attempt to discredit conseratives but will in the end hurt them. I have heard zero sincere concern for the families and victims of this crime from these lefties but i have heard lots of going down their lists for someone to blame EXCEPT the moron who did it. In other words they are trying to make him the victim. Is this not what they do best? According to them this poor deranged individual is the victim of conseratives holding on to their Bibles and guns.

You can lead a liberal to logic but you can't make them think.
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The Blame Game

Submitted by Toesies on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:00pm.

Left blames the right, the right blames the left...

I'd love for someone, anyone in power to stand up and just say STOP IT ALREADY!!!

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Maybe...

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:29pm.

...Joe Scarborough?

I don't see any need to blame the left, yet the liberal press is blaming the right as if they have all the facts.

The facts are not in yet. But that didn't stop the liberal press from blaming the right.  Don't mistake acts of self defense like Noel's article here as being unprovoked attacks.  It should be perfectly clear that the the lefty press fired the first shot (sorry for the vitriol) and conservatives find ourselves in the unenviable position of having to defend aginst these baseless charges.

Inspired by Sarah Palin's website?  Really??  It should be noted exactly who is saying such unjustified, baseless BS and they should be held accountable.

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I care very little...

Submitted by Toesies on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:10pm.

...About the political affiliation of the attacker.  These days political rhetoric takes precedence over fact, as we witnessed over the weekend.  Before the final shot had been fired the press was already looking to blame someone.

Anyone.

 

Except, of course, the shooter.  

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Actually the lefties in the

Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 5:29pm.

Actually the lefties in the press are blaming the right. We of the right are merely noting the shooter is a lefty, and that the shooter is the one to blame. Please spare us the "both sides are alike" BS

 

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Both sides are exactly alike

Submitted by Toesies on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 5:33pm.

Need we imagine what the dialogue would be had a republican congressman been shot?  

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The press would call the

Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:35pm.

The press would call the shooter a lone nutcase and the Conservatives would be calling hum a murdering nutcase.

 

   /// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 ///    خال

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Ever write a focused piece or paper

Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:05pm.

Leaving out his reputed overlaps with the Tea Party would have been inexcusable if this article was focused in on where to place this guy in the political spectrum. But the article is a challenge to Loughner as "motivated by vitriol on the right".

It's a narrow focused topic. Second of all, "distrust of government" for a liberal troofer and "distrust of government" of a anti-truther Tea Party conservative are two different levels of government antipathy. I've heard plenty of pro-TP conservatives say that they would hate to think that their government could be responsible for 9/11--myself, for one.

On one side you have distrust of government because they could kill 3K ciitzens (possibly 50-100K before the outcome was definite) to get us involved in wars to kill thousands more. On the other you have the distrust that government always offers the best solution. You're just spouting more liberal narrative when you think that the Tea Party is "anti-government." It's another liberal distortion.

And to use it to log a arguable equivalence, if pretty paltry use of logic.

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