Network Journalists Advance Leftist Wish to Blame Palin (and Tea Party) for Shooting
By Brent Baker | January 09, 2011 | 19:41
“The shooter’s motivation is still unknown,” Katie Couric announced as she anchored Saturday’s CBS Evening News, but that didn’t deter CBS, nor CNN, NBC and ABC on Saturday night and into Sunday morning from forwarding attempts to blame Sarah Palin and, by implication, the Tea Party, for the Tucson shooting.
“Giffords was one of 20 Democrats whose districts were lit up in cross hairs on a Sarah Palin campaign Web site last spring,” CBS’s Nancy Cordes declared in referring to a political map, adding that “Giffords and many others complained that someone unstable might act on that imagery.” Hours later on CNN, Jessica Yellin noted “we don't know the motive” before she proceeded to raise how “on Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin.” On Sunday’s Today, leading into a clip about Palin, NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell asserted: “Giffords, a conservative Democrat, was concerned about heated campaign rhetoric from the Tea Party.”
ABC connected Palin to the Wild West, as David Wright reported on This Week:
Congresswoman Gabby Giffords liked to joke that her district includes Tombstone and the OK Corral. Until yesterday morning, most people here would have said that rogue gunslingers were part of the distant past. On election night in November, 18 of the politicians in the crosshairs of Sarah Palin's political action committee lost, but not Gabby Giffords.
Audio: MP3 clip, matches 2:45 video below compilation of six soundbites.
Wright elaborated: “In 2009 after one of her town hall meetings on health care reform, they found a gun someone had left behind. Last March after Congress passed health care reform, someone shot out the glass door of her Tucson office. In the midterms when Palin's PAC put her district literally in the cross hairs, Giffords strongly objected to that imagery.”
Over on CBS’s Face the Nation, Bob Schieffer cued up House Minority Leader Steny Hoyer with how “Congresswoman Giffords had received threats before,” including “when she showed up on Sarah Palin's political action committee Web site as one of those who had been targeted for defeat, it shows her in the cross hairs there.”
From the Saturday, January 8 CBS Evening News:
NANCY CORDES: Giffords was one of 20 Democrats whose districts were lit up in cross hairs on a Sarah Palin campaign Web site last spring. Giffords and many others complained that someone unstable might act on that imagery.
REP. GABRIELLE GIFFORDS (D-AZ) ON MARCH 25 DAILY RUNDOWN ON MSNBC: The way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district, and when people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action.
CORDES: Palin posted this note on her Facebook page today: “My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.”
From CNN’s 10 PM EST hour Saturday night:
JESSICA YELLIN: Even though, as you point out, this suspect is not cooperating with investigators, so we don't know the motive. President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly the political rhetoric that led to this. So that's why we want to bring up one of the themes that's burning up the social media right now. On Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin. As you might recall, back in March of last year, when the health care vote was coming to the floor of the House and this was all heating up, Palin tweeted out a message on Twitter saying “common sense conservatives, don't retreat -- instead reload.” And she referred folks to her Facebook page. On that Facebook page was a list of Democratic members she was putting in cross hairs, and Gabrielle Giffords was one of those in the cross hairs....
I should point out that Republican leaders in Washington have said that this is not a partisan issue, this is about violence, as have some Tea Party groups. But clearly this is a moment to talk about our political rhetoric.
WOLF BLITZER: It certainly is, but the question is, is there any evidence that the suspected shooter in this particular case was a Sarah Palin fan, read Sarah Palin's website, was a member on Facebook, watched her tweets, or anything like that?
YELLIN: Absolutely not. None at all and there is no evidence that this was even inspired by rage over health care, broadly. So there is no overt connection at all between Sarah Palin, health care...
NBC’s Today, Sunday, January 9:
KELLY O’DONNEL: Giffords, a conservative Democrat, was concerned about heated campaign rhetoric from the Tea Party.
GABRIELLE GIFFORDS ON MSNBC: We’re on Sarah Palin's targeted list. But the thing is the way she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that you got to realize there are consequences to that action.
ABC’s This Week:
DAVID WRIGHT: Congresswoman Gabby Giffords liked to joke that her district includes Tombstone and the OK Corral. Until yesterday morning, most people here would have said that rogue gunslingers were part of the distant past. On election night in November, 18 of the politicians in the cross hairs of Sarah Palin's political action committee lost, but not Gabby Giffords....
In 2009 after one of her town hall meetings on health care reform, they found a gun someone had left behind. Last March after Congress passed health care reform, someone shot out the glass door of her Tucson office. In the midterms when Palin's PAC put her district literally in the cross hairs, Giffords strongly objected to that imagery.
CBS’s Face the Nation:
BOB SCHIEFFER: You know, Congresswoman Giffords had received threats before. That's something that we might have overlooked here. Her office was trashed during the health care debate. When she showed up on Sarah Palin's political action committee Web site as one of those who had been targeted for defeat, it shows her in the cross hairs there. She warned herself that this kind of thing could have serious repercussions.
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Democrats plan to blame the shooting on Tea Partiers
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:44pm.
Democrats plan to blame the shooting on Tea Partiers
One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.
“They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”
(h/t Brietbart) Breaking: Democrats Plotted to Blame Tea Party for Slaughter
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Blame the real problem
Submitted by neutron on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:13am.
The shooting in the Safeway parking lot should not be looked at in isolation. Loughner is just another crazy guy who should have been locked up in a hospital for the insane. In recent NJ news, 25-year-old Morgan Mesz stabbed 2 women in their backyard because he thought it would open a portal to hell. Huntsville, Alabama professor Amy Bishop killed her brother in 1986, but was allowed to roam free, and then earlier this year, killed people at a tenure meeting.
It used to be that family members and / or law enforcement could petition the courts to declare someone insane, and they were kept from society in a hospital where they would be made to keep up on their medications. The liberals and the ACLU combined to stop that, and now we have free-range crazies who aren't on their medication attacking people.
Yeah, we Arizonans are one rally from madness
Submitted by StarAZ on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:57pm.
Just mention the deficit and we lose it! Palin puts a map locator symbol on her site a YEAR ago and she is calling for murder. Pretty bad thinking, people! Krugman surprised me buying into this, but otherwise, it seemed like how we always react. The shooter did it--he had mental problems...He planned it and did it. Today someone said in a letter to the ed that our governor was part of the problem. The problem? The one that rural sheriff decided to identify? This is an emotional country--we have the right to emotion--we have the right to assemble. Even rural sheriffs have a right to say what they want--although this didn't come off as very intelligent or as part of his job, to me anyway.
So if Giffords had an 'R'
Submitted by rbosque on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:54pm.
So if Giffords had an 'R' after her name the media would go to the same lengths to blame it on Democratic "rhetoric"???
I know your question was
Submitted by Chris Norman on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:25pm.
I know your question was rhetorical, but if one of the victims had been a Republican congresswoman, assuredly the media would be downplaying any and all potential political motivations for the atrocity.
Or if the victims had been
Submitted by acumen on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:55pm.
Or if the victims had been members of the US military and the shooter was a muslim shouting 'allah akbar', most certainly the demedia would be calling for restraint from jumping to conclusions pending a thorough investigation.
I wouldn't be surpised in the least if libs began shooting themselves to relieve their tedium brought about from decades of utilizing the same old blame game/class warfare tactics while calling for the right to tone down the rhetoric. And they call themselves progressives?
Accuse democrats? NEVER!
Submitted by Huapakechi on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:10am.
The media misinformation campaign would immediately ballyhoo that the legislator was targeted for execution BY THEIR OWN PARTY because he/she was not adhering the party line closely enough to suit the leadershiip.
Tea Partiers
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 7:59pm.
Yes, these kinds of people are inciting violence.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uSNpfk4dbL4/S7mP8UOyH8I/AAAAAAAABbI/6CvjBf1MoY...
it will be fun to watch the
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:29pm.
it will be fun to watch the left try to "pin" gun violence on the ANTI-TAX crowd
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
I'm no professional journalist, but here's my chart
Submitted by Indie Dude on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:55pm.
Hey Elite Media! Here's my chart that shows you who really is responisble for the killings.
1. The Killer.
2. The Killer's Mom and Dad (for not recognizing all the warning signs and did nothing about it).
3. relatives (for not recognizing all the warning signs and alerting mom and dad)
4. friends, (for not recognizing warning signs and alerting parents or teachers)
5. teachers, (for not recognizing warning signs and alerting the parents and authorities)
6. any other contacts where someone saw red flags that he was a troubled man (and not alerting the authorities, professionals, or parents).
NOW...Media, after the above mentioned has been INVESTIGATED, then you can blame Palin!
Of course everyone, I'm being sarcastic....
Leg Humpers only spin one way
Submitted by Seekers on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:15pm.
With over 95% of the media Liberal/Progressive! Really just Leg Humpers, just like little puppies so excited to see their Masters, they whine, pizz themselves and yes hump their legs. Poor pathetic little creatures that will do just anything for a little attention, a pat on the head.
It isn't even close to being believable that they would or could spin the other way! They might miss that pat on the head or not get a thrill up their leg. Ooops that was just warm pizzz...
If it wasn't spin, why not mention his posts about Giffords,
“My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!”This from the Daily Kos,
How many conservatives, Palin fans, Tea Party members would be upset over a vote against PELOSI??
NO MENTION OF THIS IN ANY OF THE ARTICLES BLAMING PALIN, BECK, HANNITY!
There's your spin and it's all going ONE WAY!
Seekers
The shooter was a fan of Mein
Submitted by mattm on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:15pm.
The shooter was a fan of Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, but I wouldn't attribute his crime to politics, I'd attribute it to insanity...Which is all the media would attribute it to, if Giffords had an (R) next to her name.
Once again the idiots in the MBM outwit themselves . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:20pm.
The problem the MBM (Make believe Media) is going to have is that THEY are making the shooting to be about politics, and when the shooters politics are actually investigated they turn out to lean left.
Once again the idiots in the MBM outwit themselves . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
oh they have that figure out too free....
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:24pm.
when the truth comes out then they will act as if they never said all the crappola the foisted on us to begin with. all of a sudden his politics WONT be an issue.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
Worked for Giffords?
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:42pm.
Reading somewhere he may have workded for Giffords in 2007? That would mean he is a DEM / Liberal Independant & in no way a Conservative.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
I see some trying to pin the
Submitted by Van Halen on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:32pm.
I see some trying to pin the shooter on Palin. The problem is that as far as I can see – and if someone can provide evidence to the contrary, please do – the shooter in all his ramblings said nothing about:
Jews
women
Sarah Palin
Republicans
Democrats
the TEA Party
But the shooter DID apply the following:
shooter read Communist Manifesto
hatred of God
hatred of the bible
hatred of the flag
hatred of the Constitution
shot a Republican judge dead
shooter is a registered Democrat
And note that a classmate tweeted that the shooter was Left leaning and Liberal.
So the arguments that he supported or hated any of the first list above is rather weak. Additionally, the more we learn from his former classmates and people who knew him, he appeared to have mostly lost his grasp on reality. Sure, he planned to kill the Congresswoman who was speaking 5 minutes away from his house, but that looks like it was a matter of convenience more than anything else. In other words, now he had the vehicle sitting right in his neighborhood in which he could make his grand statement to the world – whatever that statement was supposed to mean.
van halen do you have a link to positive
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:35pm.
confirmation that the shooter was registered dem. i saw it in some chats but not on anything i would call definitively reliable. i did read as i posted earlier that they found a "thanks for attending my rally" letter from a giffords rally in 2007 which of course predates all the supposed "rhetoric" that the left is ascribing to fueling his fire. it would appear that regardless of his political affiliation that he was fixated on her at a date which would reduce all THEIR RHETORIC to the rubbish that it is.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
A few of us had posted earlier that a classmate of Loughner
Submitted by Rush Fan on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:55am.
had tweeted that when she knew him he was "quite liberal."
Now Drudge has a link to the Phoenix New Times that also references her twitter page with the headline: Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead."
Gee....you're not biased are you?
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:51pm.
I'm not pinning it on Palin, either, but...
A few quick points. He did indeed refer to his dislike of Jews. The Communist Manifesto was just one of a number of books he listed, including Mein Kampf, which dovetails nicely with his anti-Semitism. The Republican judge who had ruled in a case favorable to immingrants was an innocent attendee whose identity was highly unlikely known to the shooter and, in any event, the latter almost certainly would not have known the judge would be in attendance. The shooter--an anti-government kook-- may very well have been a registered Democrat, but I haven't seen a source for that. Have you? And, finally, there seems to be little question but that his prime target was the Democratic Congresswoman, a crucial fact you for some reason ignore.
Jer
Jer, you have ENTIRELY missed
Submitted by Van Halen on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:46pm.
Jer, you have ENTIRELY missed the point I was trying to make.
The fact is that the shooter appears to be down the middle crazy. He doesn't seem to possess the capability to make a rational choice between shooting this person or that person. Yes, he picked Giffords, but AS FAR AS CAN BE SEEN, he appears to have picked her because they crossed paths in the past and now she was conveniently in his neighborhood. More kids who were in his class are speaking out now, saying what I just said - that he seemed to be in his own little world and when speaking, made no sense to whoever he was speaking to.
I put the lists up in my post to illustrate just how fast the JournOList media raced to pin the blame on Palin, Bush, Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann and the TEA Party - without ANY evidence or knowledge to back it up.
I put the lists up to show you that if you want to play 'the Right is to blame game, here's evidence to point to the Left'.
The bottom line is, once again:
1) The Liberal media need to cut the crap with the blame game.
2) No one can pin the shootings on either the Left or the Right - or ANYONE BUT THE SHOOTER at this time.
As for the Registered Democrat, I cannot find the source so I too will back off that charge but I have been searching around and have not found anything to indicate the Killer was motivated by hatred of Jews.
Van Halen...understood, and
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:51pm.
I'm not suggesting he or his murderous action was motivated by a hatred of Jews, but he did express his antipathy toward them.
Jer
More evidence that he's a dem then
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:19pm.
Isn't it dems/libs that usually whine about the jewwwwwws?
Like Helen Thomas?
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:08am.
Like Helen Thomas?
Yes.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:26am.
Yes.
Jer
There are some Dems who do,
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:26am.
There are some Dems who do, as well as some Repubs who whine as well.
Jer
Hackery
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:30pm.
Such as Ron Paul, who is really a reactionary.
Party Hack Jer strikes again. People like Party Hack Jer are why I'm not affiliated with any political party, and nor will I ever be.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
like who?
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:31pm.
like who?
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
TM...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:03pm.
Read the transcripts of the Nixon tapes sometime.
Jer
huh?
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:05pm.
The man who initiated Nickel Grass?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Bingo!
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:27pm.
One and the same. You see, Unsane, wise and laudable strategic decisions are not necessarily predicated on or even related to the bigoted opinions ot the decider.
A to Z, Unsane...not A to B.
Jer
Question
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:41am.
Sorry, Jer, but if Nixon was as much of a bigot as you say he is - and I admit I'm not much of specialist in his administration, as not enough people are dead for good histories of that time to come out - why initiate an operation which would, by design, aid people who Nixon is said to be bigoted against?
Think about that before you decide to make an ass of yourself by scolding and lecturing me again.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:40pm.
Your question has already been answered.
By the way, you have made a career of making an ass of yourself at NewsBusters by scolding and lecturing those with whom you disagree.
Think about that.
Jer
Thought about it, and...
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:55pm.
Thinking about it...
I am inspired by a quotation that can be found at the bottom of issues of The Economist.
I am taking part in "a severe contest bewteen intelligence, which presses forward (which would be myself and my fellow NB Rightists), and an unworthy, timid ignorance obstructing our progress (which would be you, et al)."
Done.
Deal with it, Jer. I'm here, and I'm leaving right about never.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Gosh, Unsane...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:06pm.
don't even think about leaving. I find you extremely entertaining. It's just that your critical thinking skills are in need of some serious polishing.
Jer
ROTFL! You wrote something
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:54pm.
ROTFL! You wrote something about "scolding and lecturing those with whom you disagree"? Pot...kettle...black...
Beuke...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:02pm.
Please return to your personal OCD thread. You're still about thirty repetitive posts short of reaching your quota. Then you may commence the stalking phase of your disorder.
Jer
Tsk-tsk, Jer. There you go
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:05pm.
Tsk-tsk, Jer. There you go again with your obsession of character assassination attempts. Not unsurprising.
New forum topic:
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:14pm.
Why Is Beukeboom Not Unsurprised? And Why This New Obsession With Double Negatives?
Shawn, would you do the honors?
Jer
There you go again, Jer. You
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:16pm.
There you go again, Jer. You wrote something about "scolding and lecturing those with whom you disagree"? Pot...kettle...black...
Thanks for proving me right once again.
Beukeboom...Do everyone a favor
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:20pm.
and take your meltdown to the woodshed. You're cluttering up the threads.
Jer
There you go again with your
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:29pm.
There you go again with your obsession with character assassination. You're a sad man, Jer, tsk-tsk. You keep proving me right with these responses of late which reveal your double-standards and hypocrisy. Your own words are already biting you. I remind you, you wrote something about "scolding and lecturing those with whom you disagree"? Pot...kettle...black...
Beukeboom and Jer
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:47pm.
Is there an organization or something where I can send money to help people that just can't walk away and let somebody else have the last word regardless of how ridiculous it may seem?
~ROFL
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:56pm.
What he said.
Agnostic...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:56pm.
I tried that during Beukeboom's last meltdown several months ago. It had no effect on him whatsoever. He just followed me from thread to thread feverishly posting near-identical slurs to my comments.
I've already PMed someone and asked that he please be advised to take this nonsense to the woodshed.
Jer
Are you kidding me?
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 6:46pm.
Reading posts like the one I am responding to only turn me into a bigger arrogant p***k that I already am.
ME? MY critical thinking skills? Says the PARTY HACK??????
ROTFL..........................................
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
No...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 6:55pm.
However, if you prefer to remain an arrogant prick--or become an even bigger one--that is of course up to you. Your prickism seems to be pretty well entrenched at this point. But at least be an arrogant prick who "thinks" rather than one who simply emotes and scolds.
Jer
Jer, thank you for your
Submitted by Van Halen on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:42pm.
Jer, thank you for your polite response. :)
For a list of Left Wingers
Submitted by MightyMax on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:35pm.
Going crazy and killing people you can check the links here.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/20/chris-matthews%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98t...
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I can't believe the stuff I am reading out there from news sites, as well as the posters on these sites.
The guy was clearly crazy and a messed up person.
It is NB's very own Mithradat
Submitted by stratman on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:21pm.
It is NB's very own Mithradat Ombud in March of 2010 who wrote the list you quoted! And there are several other entries on his list that were not quoted in the Hotair article.
An important post, MightMax. Thank you.
Vitriol of Olbermann
Submitted by Samshile on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 11:15pm.
for Cheney caused this to happen. The tone and tenor of MSLSD directly causes violence. Oblamer blaming Bush for the last 4 years made the boy do it.
What?
Submitted by okie-pastor on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 8:41pm.
"she had been targeted for defeat". Puuuuuuuuleeeeeaaaasssee! That must have inspired him to shoot at the woman I mean what else could it be? It couldn't possibly be because he is a lunatic. I just read on drudge that a classmate Said he was "left wing" but you won't see me trying to blame George Soros for it! Interesting thought: what if this man was Muslim? The main stream media would break their necks trying to express how unfortunate the tragedy is. But since the victim is a Democrat. It must be Sarah Palin's fault. As an Okie I was deeply offended when Clinton Tried to blame right wing talk radio (rush limbaugh) for Timothy McVeigh bombing the Federal building in OKC! I am so outraged! This slander should fire up the tea party!! Uh oh I said "fired up" MSM beware(sarcasm)From the left
Submitted by DPHHPD on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:02pm.
Hi folks,
I think you would all consider me very liberal/leftist. I'm not registered as a Democrat, as I enjoy the independence, but would probably register in that direction if I had to choose. I voted for Obama, and yes, would probably do it again. Despite my own perspective, I appreciate your viewpoints, and therefore come to this site periodically.
I doubt that most rational liberals would consider any aspect of this sad sad episode to be the responsibility of the right in any way, shape, or form. I believe that the insinuations made by some liberal politicians and members of the media to this effect are misguided, insensitively political, and truly reprehensible. Shame on them.
I have very few nice things to say about Sarah Palin. I truly hope that her political influence wanes away to nothing. But the crosshairs map (while in hindsight was in poor taste) doesn't seem to have had any influence on what transpired. I would not like to see our rights to free speech curtailed in prohibiting this type of political device in the future.
I also do not think that Rush Limbaugh or any other extremely-right pundits incited this. It is okay to question this, to investigate this, etc. But again, it is irresponsible to make broad claims without any supporting evidence.
The person who did this crime is solely responsible for his actions. I hope that, after the emotions of this weekend give way to rational discourse, both the left and right will apportion the blame where it belongs.
I wish the families of those attacked comfort, and a speedy recovery to those injured.
Best,
DPH
I appreciate your civilty and
Submitted by okie-pastor on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:10pm.
I appreciate your civilty and I agree that this person is solely responsible.While I too agree that the
Submitted by Free Stinker on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:26pm.
While I too agree that the shooter is to blame, the MSM is the group trying to make this shooting out to be political and the shooters politics are definitely left leaning.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Wanna bet they don't show the Dems 'Targeting' map?
Submitted by Neox99 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:09pm.
http://jforbes.us/maps/
no offense, but the forbes website hardly
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:15pm.
qualifies as something that most will end up seeing. unfortunately.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
Isn't that exactly the point?
Submitted by ontheright on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:52am.
The MSM have left no internet stone unturned in their efforts to find all things Palin. They do this in their more than ever maddened attempts to smear, discredit and otherwise "target" her and the Tea Party movement...where is the equal time showing the Dims/libs "target map"?
This is exactly the point, IMHO.
dph..you realize you are NOT
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:10pm.
typical...right? and you seem so reasonable, but then you say you would vote for barry again. hmmm....i am torn :-)
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
I'm waiting ...
Submitted by dknolte on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:16pm.
I'm waiting on the MSM to blame Bush, via global warming.
I was just about to post
Submitted by okie-pastor on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:18pm.
I was just about to post sarcastically that this was George Bush's faultGive Olbermann and Maher a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:04pm.
Give Olbermann and Maher a little time.
I hope none of you ever
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:23pm.
I hope none of you ever forget about these disgusting "journalists" that are turning this into a political issue. Nobody is talking about the poor little 9 year old girl that was shot and KILLED!!!! They won't talk about that because it doesn't serve their agenda. Gifford's is going to live and that little girl was never ALLOWED to live.
God I hate liberals. They politicize everything.
I know. It's maddening!
Submitted by okie-pastor on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:31pm.
I know. It's maddening!It's just crazy! These
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:49pm.
It's just crazy! These people are not even discussing how we can help the families that lost loved one's get through this. No, they immediately jump into political mode and start blaming conservative people.
Nobody advances violent rhetoric more than Olbermann, NOBODY! (Well, except maybe a guy named Mike Malloy but he is a nobody so he doesn't count). Olbermann advanced violence toward Bush and Cheney for EIGHT YEARS.
Right on, Mostlymoderate...
Submitted by iveseenitall on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:54am.
Olberman, out there condemning Sarah Palin! What a joke! He's the most unbalanced person in the media.Turn him on any day of the week and all you get is hate for anyone with whom he disagrees. Yet he's encouraged to spew it, day after day.
BTW-- Why didn't the "school" authorities pick up on this kid. I believe it is because his classmates called him a "left-wing pothead". Many "teachers" actually encourage left wing rhetoric and the use of pot. That's why.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)
Liberal Hypocrites
Submitted by RocktheJungle on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:32pm.
Should we ban free speech in rock music because it did spawn two of the worst serial killers in U.S. history?!
The "Night Stalker" Richard Ramirez killed (13 victims)because he believed that the song 'Night Prowler' by AC/DC told him too.
Charles Manson , remember him?, he killed because he thought the Beatles in the 'White Album' was directing him to start 'Helter Skelter'.
Has these two examples stopped rock groups from writing about death, drugs, etc, etc? the simple answer is no.
The media is trying to place the blame on the Tea Party and Sarah Palin for the senseless killings but where are they now when it comes to free speech in music, liberals will say oh this happened along time ago and times have changed i will present to you that people still buy Beatles and AC/DC music and the lyrics have not been altered in anyway , and i can say with 100 surety that both of these bands get more airplay than Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.
Before i get flamed for not liking music that is not the case, AC/DC was one of my fav bands growing up, the Beatles not so much and i know it's sacrilege.
More proof about Leftists
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:59pm.
One of my favorite Slayer songs is "Kill Again". Yet, how many people have I killed?
Proof that Leftists are morons who refuse to accept that evil can and does exist.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Which website gets more
Submitted by nicksmith112 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:44pm.
Which website gets more visitors/views...Palins or DailyKos?? I'll say Kos gets way more traffic and certainly contains endless streams of vile and venomous language.
Both had maps and lists with Giffords name on it. Marko is a regular on the lefty channels and even paneled on "Meet The Press"....the democratic presidential candidates had to kiss his ring. BTW is there any political group that doesn't have a map with military jargon??
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Killer on YouTube
Submitted by Seekers on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 9:46pm.
For more on Shooter see his YouTube videos
"Giffords Gunman Final Video - Jared Loughner"
Giffords Gunman Flag burning video - Jared Loughner
You can check out his channel and see all of his videos at
classitup 10
Have as many facts as possible to answer the slander of the left!
From YouTube:
Favorite books
Myspace page
Seekers
And about the DCCC map that
Submitted by Cowboy on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:38pm.
And about the DCCC map that has targets drawn on Congressional Districts
Not a word....
About the Daily Kos article where Markos wrote that his Congresswoman (Gabby Giffords) was "dead to me" for voting against Pelosi?
Not a word.
I am sorry...
Submitted by beauxdog on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:19am.
I have read the Daily Kos diary of Blue Boy and commented on it elsewhere... but you people keep bringing it up. Blue Boy was not the shooter. Blue Boy foolishly poored his soul and money into a candidate that ultimately betrayed him... in his opinion... by not supporting Pelosi. He was pissed. He stated that Gifford was "dead to him". This is just like the daughter from "Fiddler on the Roof" marrying outside the faith... she was "dead" to her family. He shook the dust from his sandels at her. He refuses to recognize her. There is nothing violent or kookie about his statement. If I voted for a person thinking he was conservative, then he went on a liberal voting streak... I would be pissed too! This is a no win issue, people... let it go.
beauxdog...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:28am.
The similar electoral maps used by Dems with targets on them are far more effective evidence than the Blue Boy "she's dead to me" remark.
Jer
Great
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:03am.
The Lib MSM and Blogs are spamming about how Palin, Teaparty, et. al. are to blame and when "we" try to defend against it you say ... "let it go'???
No, we won't ... to your disappointment.
Dear Ignatz...
Submitted by beauxdog on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:02am.
Please learn to read.
People keep harping on the KOS scrubbing a diary by a user named Blue Boy, which in my opinion, is completely innocent and should be left alone.
Jer pointed out that the KOS was also scrubbing other things such as a similar target map.
My remark was strickly restricted to the Blue Boy diary scrubbing.
How you expanded that to me forgiving the world for all of its sins and supporting attacks on Palin, I don't know. Is your real name tailgunner?
Beauxdog
Let the Dem Exploitation Begin
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:47pm.
Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html
Some of the highlights:
- McCarthy wants to prevent people with a history of mental instability from owning guns.
- Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.
- The murderer bought his gun legally from a gun store, so the obvious response according to Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley is to go after gun shows. He also wants a new "assault" weapons ban, even though the killer didn't use an "assault" weapon.
Gee, it's almost like this whole thing was a Democrat plan to further their gun-grabbing goals.While the Congresswoman and others are critical.......
Submitted by GregE on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 10:48pm.
In the last 24 hours and continuing, is the media inciting violence against conservatives? Because as we've been told, people who are on the edge can be set off by words. Are the media doing exactly what they claim to be decrying?
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
yes they are excellent
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:43pm.
yes they are
excellent point
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Let me get this straight: If you campaign against an individual
Submitted by krendler on Sun, 01/09/2011 - 11:05pm.
Let me get this straight: If you campaign against an individual and you use "heated rhetoric" during that campaign (and the media will decide what's considered "heated", thank you), and some nut - that you have absolutely zero connection with whatsoever, either in terms of communication or ideology - harms that individual, YOU are responsible for that act, because, you know, you were that perosn's political opponent once-upon-a-time.
Whatever. Let the left and the media behave irrationally. There for all to see: Moderate Dems, independents, and conservatives alike.
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Resisting the temptation
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:10am.
This horrible tragedy could not have been avoided. It's one of the sadder and more regrettable aspects of living in a truly free society. But, speaking for myself, I wouldn't trade living in our society for living in a communistic or socialistic police state where my safety comes entirely at the expense of my very freedom and liberty. Yet, my heart is heavy and my prayers are with all of the victims, their families and their friends.
The individual who committed this heinous act is most likely mentally unstable, highly impressionable and emotionally unbalanced. It's no one's direct fault other than the shooter's. Laying blame is routinely done to stoke anger among one or more groups or simply to assuage individual feelings of guilt and remorse or to advance an agenda. That some would use a tragedy like this one to advance their own political cause is well beyond opportunistic. It's vile and disgusting and it flies in the faces of decency and compassion.
We have already read and heard of too many attacks where guns, ordinary kitchen cutlery, baseball bats, machetes, corrosive acids, gasoline, lighter fluid and homemade explosives were used to wreak havoc and seriously injure, blind, maime or kill people in public environs. Angry employees, bitter ex-employees, jilted lovers, enraged ex-husbands, vengeful girlfriends, etc. In each instance the common denominator was a mentally unstable and emotionally unbalanced individual acting out his or her delusions and somehow believing that such measures were necessary or called for or "the only way".
The last thing our Country needs now is for journalists, law enforcement or anyone in a bureaucratic position of authority to rush to assign blame, polarize people further and oblige many of the talking heads on TV and radio so they might seize the moment and have a field day demonizing innocent groups of Americans for the actions of, for want of a better word, a certifiable nutcase.
It's time for all Americans to resist the temptation to lash out at one another.
I only take issue with one part of your post...
Submitted by ontheright on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:16pm.
"This horrible tragedy could not have been avoided."
On it's face, your statement would seem accurate and correct. However, with deeper digging and more thorough analysis, there appears to be documented evidence and a tragedy of errors that seem to prove otherwise.
Parents, family, friends, acquaintences, colleages, peers, classmates, etc. all appear to have gone on record (in some form or another) as saying, the apparently disturbed, Mr. Loughner was not balanced and quite possibly deranged.
I'm sure once more unbiased and factually accurate details (not from MSM, of course) begin to surface in the coming days, we should all get a much clearer picture of what it is that really makes this psycho tick.
Or not...
I'm sure Palin and Beck
Submitted by donabernathy on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:26am.
were on the grassy knoll in 1962
roflmao
1963 actually. And I was
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:35am.
1963 actually. And I was actually the one on the grassy knoll with the sniper rifle even though I was 4 months old.
I was a quick learner. :-)
I've been thinking
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:08am.
about the rhetoric blaming assorted folks on the right (Beck, Limbaugh, etc.) but primarily Sarah Palin, for this tragedy. And it seems to me that by the Left's own logic, Sarah can't be responsible for this.
When Sarah started using Facebook and Twitter, somebody (I can't remember who now, sounds like something Bill Maher would say) commented that every time she makes a post on Facebook, gazillions of her mindless followers rush to do her bidding
On the now infamous map (and it's my understanding that the symbols are not crosshairs, but a universal surveying symbol for location), I would surmise that the target would be ONLY Gabrielle Gifford. But this deranged young man shot several people, not just Gifford. Since, according to the Left, Sarah's mental control of her right-wing, gun-toting, zombie savages followers is absolute, there can be only one explanation as to why the single target of the map was turned into a shooting spree by this young man.
Sarah wasn't using her mind control when this young man started shooting. Therefore, she cannot be responsible for his actions. /sarc off
(From what I've heard about Loughner, he'd rather have all his toenails pulled at once than admit to listening to or reading anything a conservative might have to say, much less Sarah Palin.)
I performed about a 45-minute
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:21am.
I performed about a 45-minute google search last night looking for that universal surveying symbol. Couldn't find it.
Jer
45 mins on google
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:36am.
When Tennessee doesn't recruit they reload and one of their players fires a gun does the responsibility lie with the rhetoric and the sports announcers? Okay, it has been a while since they could say that about the volunteers but I'm sure you know what I mean.
Not sure what the symbol is exactly and don't care because there is no part of me that ever thought a symbol on a chart was telling me to take action. If it did, it would be my messed up head and not the symbol to blame.
Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:42am.
Does this help?
lol
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:00am.
It has been years since I looked at a map like that.Where is my lensatic compass.
That did it
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:08am.
Sarah Palin was secretly sending a meesage to Surveyors and Civil Engineers to attack the pols with their theodilites!
Me either. But since a
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:55am.
Me either. But since a surveyor's mark was what it was alleged to be, I thought I would try to find one.
Jer
surveyor's mark
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:08am.
The truth is if someone saw it and thought "cross hairs" then it was cross hairs to that person and their actions and thoughts were going to be driven by that perception. It could have been a simple circle and some would have still believed it was a scope sighting.
I looked as well but found a few left wing and right wing sites and quit searching for the reason above. I guess all those law books preparred you for performing research much better than the patience I am willing to put forth. Good for you for wanting to know the truth.
45 minutes, really?
Submitted by jr1414 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:06am.
Well I guess that explains a few things about you, none of which are positive, though your transparency is laughable. Did a quick (ie, 30 seconds) google images search for "location symbol" and lo and behold, this was the 2nd result:
http://www.geoanalysis.com/images/Visual%20Site%20Manager%20description_...
Go ahead and google it for yourself.
Excellent, jr. Thanks.
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:20am.
Excellent, jr. Thanks. Although the insulting tone of your post explains a few things about you, none of which are positive.
Jer
Hackery
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:37pm.
The insulting tone you whine about is more than justified due to your hack claim that you couldn't find the surveyor's symbol after slavishly working for 45 minutes, only to be shown up after a brief 30 second search.
Your political ideology, I am sure, had NOTHING to do with your unsuccessful 45 minute search.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Thank you for yet another
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:10pm.
Thank you for yet another scintillating insight, Unsane. It had nothing to do with my ideology, and everything to do with my googling the wrong keywords and my lack of resourcefulness. I also paused on several occasions to read some interesting comments on the topic. But I applaud jr's quick and productive efforts in this instance.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by texusmc on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:01pm.
Here is another source look at the symbol for "weak corner" and "found section corner"
http://www.landsurveyors.com/resources/gis-map-symbols/
Cool Arrow also has a Topographical Map Symbols for you as well.
texusmc...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:12pm.
Thanks. I need to work on my googling skills.
Jer
Supposed "crosshairs" vis-a-vis map symbol
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:38am.
What appears to some to to be target crosshairs is also a topographic/land survey map symbol. It's presented with and without the circle.
Here's what it's referred to as without the circle at one site:
"Unmonumented (Provisional Edition maps only). Indicates that no permanent marker has been placed."
and here's what it's referred to as with the circle at another site:
"Principal point"
Hope this is of some help.
Thanks. I opened Cool
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:01am.
Thanks. I opened Cool Arrow's link. The principal point resembled the crosshairs of a scope in that the vertical and horizontal axes did not extend beyond the edge of the circle. The other markers/symbols resembled, but only vaguely, the icons used on the Palin map.
Can you post a link?
Jer
Supposed "crosshairs" vis-a-vis map symbol
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:39am.
What appears to some to to be target crosshairs is also a topographic/land survey map symbol. It's presented with and without the circle.
Here's what it's referred to as without the circle at one site:
"Unmonumented (Provisional Edition maps only). Indicates that no permanent marker has been placed."
and here's what it's referred to as with the circle at another site:
"Principal point"
Hope this is of some help.
They even confused Sarah...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:45am.
Evidently the surveyor marks so closely resembled crosshairs that Palin herself bought into the targeting narrative.
That said, there is zero evidence that this kook was inspired by the bullseye imagery or influenced in any manner whatsoever by Sarah Palin.
Jer
Jer, just want to say thank
Submitted by PeskyDane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:20am.
Jer, just want to say thank you for injecting a little sanity into the debate from the "mildly left-of-center"
I for one think that they are target symbols - I just don't think it matters and find it amusing that the all the pundits who need to find some sort of star-chamber conspiracy to all this work themselves up into such a lather.
It's nice to have you safely back home, Pesky...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:42am.
Hope you are here to stay, and thanks for doing what you do.
I agree completely about the significance, or lack thereof, regarding the symbols--whether crosshairs, bullseyes, or topographical map markers. And it's highly and embarrassingly disingenuous of the Dems to squawk about the 'horrific' implications of the design of an electoral map which is nearly identical to ones they themselves have employed.
Jer
About Jared
Submitted by TerryWest on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:38am.
From his Facebook:
"About Jared:
Fight the Right! Obama and the Progressives will overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party."
A YouTube video listed as a "Favorite" on the account of Jared Loghner, the suspected shooter at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords town hall event in Arizona, shows an American flag being burned.
http://www.breitbart.tv/az-shooters-favorite-youtube-video-shows-flag-burning/
( prepare yourself, your now entering the twilite zone)
Tucson Shooter Incoherently Rambles, Jared Loughner the suspect in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, left this strange rambling video on his YouTube account with the title: "My Final Thoughts".
http://www.breitbart.tv/tuscon-shooter-incoherently-rambles-justification-for-heinous-crime/
source - Breitbart - Big Government.com
Those videos were put up on
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:39am.
Those videos were put up on HuffPo shortly after the shooter's identity was known. But the Facebook entry is interestiing. Link?
Jer
Did Pelosi shoot a AZ Congress Woman?
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:35am.
It would be far more logical to speculate that Pelosi had Gifford shot She voted against Pelosi for the leadership possition.
It was almost certainly a random nutjob, Since he likes the Communist Manifesto and Mien Kompf. twin pillars of leftist politics,. a nut job of a liberal bent. The congress Lady is as close to being loyal opposition even if she does spend and tax too much.
Media and left wing vitriol
Submitted by TerryWest on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:08am.
I agree, its very sad, watching the last video he made brought home the fact this young man was very ill and in need of treatment. If one were to point to vitriol that set this young mans ill mind in motion to commit the act then it would make more logical sense to point it at the media and those who conspired to slander the Tea party and Americans who supported their message. Not to mention the daily attempts at advocating racial and other violence ( manufactured fear game meant to discredit and demonize) and hate towards the tea party and Americans who dont share their ideology, all which are still being played out, such hipocrisy!Thanks for the information
Submitted by panzerakc on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:44am.
on the surveying symbols.
I was just reading an article on the Wall Street Journal Online about Loughner which stated that he was "aggravated" by his encounter with Gifford in 2007.
If memory serves me correctly, Mark David Chapman was also aggravated by his encounter with John Lennon early in the day in which he shot Lennon. He didn't feel that Lennon paid proper attention to him or wrote sloppily when Chapman stopped him to get an autograph.
I remember that also, your
Submitted by TerryWest on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:00am.
I remember that also, your right, I also read that he stated in some note found that he planned this act ahead, my question was if this is true information then for how long?
dRATS
Submitted by malthus on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:55am.
They're killing themselves and blaming others, proving again that they need supervision to get along.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/important-document-in-real-time-how-the-left-is-covering-the-gabrielle-giffords-story-in-the-media-what-narrative-are-they-pushing-from-moment-one-and-how-are-they-trying-to-spin-this-tragedy-for/
Here comes the new spin....
Submitted by Hippopaulimus on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:30am.
Now that it's coming out that the shooter was a lefty, the media is changing gears on it's spin. Now it's his social isolation that feuled his nihilism. Because it's blatantly obvious he was no follower of Conservative outlets. Check out the article on Yahoo News.
Now there'll be the "he's also a victim" slant. And the "he's mentally ill and not responsible for his actions" B.S. ...... He had the mental capacity to purchase the handgun, plan the attack at this specific event and leave several messages meant to be found after the fact. I don't care what type of psychoses this excriment had, I don't care about his political leanings, I don't care if he has the meaning of life tatooed on his left inner thigh .... his actions caused the death of a 9 year old child! ... That for me is the bottom line ... He needs to be brought out to the public square and hanged, old school, by the neck until dead ... no neck snapping, no putting him to sleep like the family pet.
There is never an excuse for killing a child.
White - does not mean racist
Heterosexual - does not mean homophobic
Male - does not mean sexist
"He needs to be brought out
Submitted by NL207 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:32pm.
"He needs to be brought out to the public square and hanged, old school, by the neck until dead"
We aren't a little judgemental are we?
I have a better idea. Why don't we let the rule of law operate here : Let Lougher be tried according to the laws of Arizona. If he is crazy as the evidence seems to suggest, he may not even be criminally accountable much less subject to capital punishment under Arizona law. Let the courts sort it out as they have with other offenders.
Swing ... wiff ... miss the
Submitted by Hippopaulimus on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 5:17am.
Swing ... wiff ... miss the point ....... and I didn't think I could make myself any clearer.
No, I have the better idea
.
White - does not mean racist
Heterosexual - does not mean homophobic
Male - does not mean sexist
Heard just now on the morning news...
Submitted by HelenS on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:09am.
I just heard it reported on the morning news that TLC (?) will not renew Sarah Palin's TV show, Sarah Palin's Alaska?, for another season.
No reason given.
Hmmm... :I wonder what's behind that decision.
Pathetic pukes.
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
Could be that she wants to
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:17am.
Could be that she wants to run for President and it would limit her run? Perhaps she wants to leave her options open. TLC would not have cancelled a popular show, in fact the most popular on TLC, for some percieved problems.
Word of Palin's TV show not
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:26pm.
Word of Palin's TV show not being renewed for a second season was known before Saturday's shooting.
The Media, however, like to fool people with headlines that make it appear the shooting and the TV show's demise are linked.
Morning Joe 6:50am 1/10/11
Submitted by cobokat on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:51am.
Right now Morning Joe is only discussing Sarah Palin and the blame game yet he forgets the Daily Kos and Media Matters and their attacks on GWB and General David Petreuas-are we really surprised?! Joe claims he's concerned about the people in his own party-Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman-but Joe forgot to point out that he's no longer a Republican.
Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin
Submitted by Texndoc on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:03am.
That's Joe's talking point, period. What slime he is. With a President talking about "enemies" in the American public who oppose his agenda and to "get in their faces", Joe goes on and on and on about "our side, Pat Buchanan" and Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. He can't think of one thing the left has done, such as assassination Bush videos and burning in effigy. Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin. I'm surprised he isn't wearing a sweatshirt with the URL of his lame political "No Labels" website, which of course is nothing but anti-Tea Party.
Hmmm.
Submitted by BBallleaper on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:12am.
Gifford,...angel; Palin,...she-devil. Yeah, I get it now. Thanks libtards!
Here is what Obama says about his Political opponents
Submitted by holeinthehull on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:37am.
I saw a comment by a guy named Speedbump3 on Fox nation and he said this about political violence and the promotion of it.
Obama “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!” Obama on ACORN: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard” Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a s s to kick.“ Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat” Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.” Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.” Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.” Maybe law enforcement should investigate the President and his violent propaganda Holeinthehull.com
Didn't one of the impartial
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:17am.
Didn't one of the impartial news programs "accidently" put a target or something on Dick Cheney while they played a clip of him speaking. I can see where that would be funny if you didn't like Cheney and no harm done but I'm sure that wasn't considered as hateful as symbols on a map regardless of what they are.
CNNs "Computer Bug"
Submitted by ecnirP on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:42am.
You refer to the never-before and never-again seen "computer bug" that had CNN repeatedly flashing a black "X" over Cheney's face while showing his speech.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47534
There is no doubt he set
Submitted by ConservativeRex on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:24am.
There is no doubt he set out to shoot the Rep. Clearly that has been established. But what most folks object to. Is that this shooting is attributable to Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck or anyone else but him for that matter. Talk about violent rhetoric.
I guess the left really doesn't let a "good crisis" go to waste. For this attitude they are dispicable. Before they washed up the pavement they were blaming the Tea Party. Have you lefty's not learned a single thing from history? Awful people to do this. Nearly as disgraceful as the shooter, nearly. I anticipate it getting much worse in this country before it gets better, and it's due to talk that took place soon after the echos of the shots faded away.
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Dispicable MSM
Submitted by FaulknerFan on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:41am.
It is a scary and sad state of affairs we have come to in this country. A democrat is shot down by a deranged luantic who is by all reports left politically and the MSM use the horrible thing to try to make political points. There is no true concern about the woman who was shot, the other people hurt, the country, or anything but advancing a political objective. There is absolutely no morality left on the political left today, and certainly in the media. They have truly reached a new low here. It parallels the actions of the worse dictitoral regimes in history. What was it Jefferson said?
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and his justice cannot sleep forever."
If only the next presidential
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:52am.
If only the next presidential election were today. We the People would send another ' Loud & Clear ' message to the depraived democrat party, but more importantly to the domestic terrorist entrenched in our White House, that we love our country just the way it was before your failed coup attempt nearly destroyed it and it's time you go back to wherever you came from....never to be heard from again.
Lets face it, all the liberal vitriol in the world, will not get Humpty Dumpty back up on his imaginary thrown again, but that won't keep these morons from trying.
Lets just relax and let them destroy themselves from within, as they've done time after time, as recently as last November's mid term elections.
Obama, after all his vile rhetoric, is now down on his knees at the feet of corporate America and the U. S. Chamber of Commerce, just like the cheap whore he has proven himself to be.
Jobs for hurting Americans, the economy and 2012 are to be the main focus of the conservative electorate and politicians in this country, no matter how much the losers on the other side try and change the subject.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Network Journalists trying to redirect public opinion
Submitted by NVRAT on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:17am.
As usual the 5 networks ran amuck again with out trying to tell the truth, trying to out do the other in slime journalism. They want to get the liberal lemmings to follow their crumb path and lead the lefties away from the real truth. The shooter was a "LEFT WING LIBERAL" according to his High School and College associates and class mates. A twitter page (caitieparker) was found speaking of this guy and how they were suprised of the deed. The twitter was immediately pulled but, a very astute person that supplys "The Drudge Report" with headline news items had coppied it and the whole twitter was posted on 1/9/2011 and contains information about the shooter. In comments Ms Parker had stated that various news agencys and called her for an interview but, she was overwhelmed with the ordeal and not comfortable. Now, we know at least CBS (according to Parker) was one of the networks that obtained the tweet but so far has not said a word of the political leanings of this shooter and I doubt that we ever will hear of it (SLIME JOURNALISM). Those of you that would like to read the whole tweet go to the Drudge Report shown on 1/9/2011 and its all there for the whole world to see. Enjoy.
ahhhhhhhhhh
Submitted by donabernathy on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:26am.
An event being turned into a crisis for exploitation. What freedom will the sleeple lose over this?
roflmao
Two truths
Submitted by bsny on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:31am.
1. Palin is in no way responsible for the Tuscon tradgedy.
2. Her use of the target imagery does not represent someone with the type of judgement we need to have the finger on the buttton (Do not make this into an anti-Barrack screed, folks).
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:38am.
Well, you got one out of two right. Deal with it.
SOL
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:42am.
Next thing you will say is "Punish Your Enemies".No one on the left would say that./sarc off
Ah yes. Anything to say "she
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:55am.
Ah yes. Anything to say "she is unqualified"/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Don't allow the libs to get
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:41am.
Don't allow the libs to get away with the unhinged spin. Here are a plethora of materials of which they (liberal MSM and politicians) are either forgetting or intentionally ignoring:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
Thank you
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:49am.
Thank you. Good link.
You're welcome. I want as
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:13am.
You're welcome. I want as many people to see that documented information as possible.
WHEN I THINK OF POLITICAL HATE SPEECH, I THINK OF THIS:
Submitted by Sgthulka on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:45am.
The Paul Wellstone Memorial in 2004:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAcui_dmXk
Can't you just feel the love? Especially the commentary by Stuart Smalley.
2002
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:40pm.
Slight correction: the Wellstone memorial was just before the 2002 elections.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Websites for Two Versions of Topographical/Land Survey Symbols
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:50am.
without the circle:
mapserver.mytopo.com/mapserver/topographic_symbols/Control_Data.html
-and -
nc.water.usgs.gov/albe/General/ulug/Legends/icons/ctrldata.htm
with the circle:
www.scribd.com/doc/11113687/USGS-Topographic-Map-Symbols
Well, the networks and the
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:52am.
Well, the networks and the left are going to need a lot of luck with blaming the Tea Party or the Right on this one. The more information comes out on this guy, they farther to the left he gets.
Go figure.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
hoisted on their own mountain of lies and BS
Submitted by Ten7s on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:57am.
In case you missed it:
Facts about Arizona Safeway shooter:
Religion = Occult
Hobbies = Pot smoking/ garage band
Politics = Leftwing/ Liberal
Personality = severely mentally disturbed
Case closed! Now the other Liberal Whackos in the media and on the net can put their pathological mendacity to use elsewhere.
media and net can put their pathological mendacity to use
Submitted by Huapakechi on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:19am.
They're already moving to condemn the TEA party, Second Amendment (again), and any political speech that deviates from the dialectic of the proleteriat. And you can bet the liedia (lying media) spin doctors are frantically searching for every possible means to use this tragedy in attacks against the rights of responsible citizens.
Send a special thanks to the aclu for emptying the mental hospitals.
A conspiro returns
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:42pm.
Long time no see! Looks like the United States is still an independent political entity, despite your predictions and fervent claims over the past five years!
Back away from this. Conspiros like you have zero credibility.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Don't worry about 2012
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:39am.
The media is once again fanning the flames under Teapartyers and the Right with all this "it's your fault" spew.
You would have thought that they would have "played nice" for the next 2 years in hopes of letting the giant go back to sleep. Like a chronic nose picker or butt scratcher, they just can't help themselves.
Most people understood that
Submitted by Hoosierboy on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:38am.
Most people understood that the Beatles White Album was just a record...
Should the Beatles be arrested because Charles Manson took it as a call to action?
The leftists in the media are
Submitted by winston smith on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:06pm.
The leftists in the media are blaming Sarah Palin for the shootings in Tucson. I'm even seeing some articles by the MSM that implicate Sarah Palin and don't even mention the shooters name. They are using this event to take down the Tea Party and Sarah Palin all in one fell swoop. This is Begala style politics ---- destroy your enemy at all costs then accuse your enemy of exactly what you are guilty of.
They seem to be avoiding the fact that the shooter is an atheist and a 9/11 truther. Pretty much a slam dunk certainty that Lougher is a left-wing loon. The MSM fully well knows that by reporting these "extra facts" that the average joe would correctly write off this guy as yet another violent left-wing radical -- which he is. But they're trying desperately to pin this on Palin and Beck so reporting on such information would work against their insidious little plot.
A new Reichstag fire, 78 years later
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:46pm.
The media is beyond enraged over the fact that the United States isn't a one-party state, and that those opposed to that party are not routinely forced to shut up and are not cowed into silence on a routine basis.
With all due respect to Godwin's Law, the media and the Dems are desperately trying to make this a modern-day "Reichstag Fire".
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I will never forget this
Submitted by Six String Spiff on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:15pm.
Please shove these pictures in every leftists face when they try and blame the TEA pArty for this inhuman action:
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
The very first moron in the VAST amount of pictures can't even spell "Their" correctly...
Send this to all your leftist friends before they attempt claim the moral hight ground.
THEY HAVE NONE
Won't work
Submitted by sam12663 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:17pm.
Over the top rhetoric. Divisive comments. Lets see about this. "They bring a knife, we'll bring a gun". "The cops acted stupidly". "Back seat of the car". "Punish your enemies". Some Tea Party activist? Not by a long shot.
The MSM, and even the Obama administration, can try and spin this as the result of Sarah Palin or the Tea Party, but it will not work.
First of all, the facts are evident for any reasonable thinking person to see; this unstable man is a left wing liberal minded person. He has had it in for this congresswoman since 2007, long before the Tea Party, or Sarah Palin for that matter, even came upon the scene. He is a 9/11 truther, and he is a conspiracy theorist in the highest order. He has written many times that he was unhappy with the congresswoman for her moderate views; in other words, in his mind, she wasn't liberal enough. Sounds like a Tea Party type doesn't it?
The very fact that we have major network anchors, politicians and political advisors using this in an ideological way is truly sickening. If the President comes out and spouts anything remotely partisan about this tragedy, he should be ripped to shreds by all conservatives. We will see just what kind of leader Obama is, and if he is actually interested in toning down the rhetoric, his own included, by his response to this event.
This disturbed person is a product of the very environment the liberal person creates and values. He is not questioned when he displays irrational behavior for fear of stigmatizing him; he is someone that, obviously needing help, is ignored by all of those around him. Yet, it is Sarah Pailns fault.
Pathetic.
not a political act -- an evil act
Submitted by frosties on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:27pm.
Forget Rush and Fox News, get the best take on the Tucson shooting at: www.cashbeechcroft.podomatic.com
Great podcast from an up and coming star in the Tea party movement.
Golly...you wouldn't be the same self-promoting Roger
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/19/2011 - 6:08pm.
of Roger Weber's podcast by any chance? I mean, what would be the odds of THAT?
Jer