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George Will Challenges Donna Brazile's GOP 'Party of No' Nonsense

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George Will on Sunday took on Donna Brazile's claim that the Republicans are the Party of No.

After fill-in host Terry Moran on ABC's "This Week" asked Brazile if President Obama is guilty of not challenging dissenting members of his own Party, the Democrat strategist went into the predictable talking point about the gridlock in Washington all being the fault of Republicans.

"I think President Obama is leading," she unsurprisingly said. "But unfortunately, you have a Republican Party that has decided that by saying no, they can, you know, perhaps gain more at the polls this coming fall."

Will was having none of this, and smartly countered, "I want to say something in defense, particularly to Donna, of being the Party of No. The Republican Party elected its first president because he said no to a bright idea a Democratic Senator had."

Of course, that President was Abraham Lincoln, and what he said no to involved slavery (video embedded below the fold with partial transcript, relevant section at 3:30):

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DONNA BRAZILE: I think President Obama is leading. But unfortunately, you have a Republican Party that has decided that by saying no, they can, you know, perhaps gain more at the polls this coming fall. Look, one tenth of the Republican caucus in the House has announced a retirement. Okay? On thirteen Democrats in the House. We have more Republicans retiring in the United States Senate than Democrats. We know from 1994 as well as 2008, when you look at two volatile periods, if you have to defend open seats, it's very difficult. So for Democrats right now, the game is to hold as many seats as possible and to not retire. For Republicans, they still have to come up with some ideas to go out there and galvanize the electorate. One third of the country is still with the President. One third is against the President. There's 30% of the American people that is still up for grabs. If this president leads, he will be able to capture those people.

GEORGE WILL: I want to say something in defense, particularly to Donna, of being the Party of No. The Republican Party elected its first president because he said no to a bright idea a Democratic Senator had which was, "I'll solve the problem," said, Stephen A. Douglas, "of expansion of slavery into the territories. Let's have popular sovereignty. People can vote it up or vote it down." A lawyer from Springfield, Illinois, named Lincoln, said, "No. That's bad. That's a bad idea. We're going to stop that idea." Now, was the Republican Party the Party of No? You bet they were. And it's a good thing.

Yes it is, George. But as you stated earlier, it's only a good thing when a Democrat says no.

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Booom!

I was watching this morning when Will said this and I yelled out

"BOOOOM"

Donna could say nothing but had a stressed out look on her face

 

 

 

 

The look was

because Donna was looking for someone to explain what George had said to her.  She didn't get it, not then, not after the explanation.  She probably thinks that, if Lincoln wasn't a democrat, he wanted to be.   

Come on

Donna didn't you study arithmetic in grade school, or did you forget that 60>40?

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

We just need to put it into

We just need to put it into terms Donna and the rest of the Democrats understand. A $60 billion bribe is mo' betta than a $40 billion bribe. Now, isn't that a lot easier Donna? And to you Donna, I'm afraid "the white boys", as your famous quote says, are going to win the next time. Maybe that would even be "typical" whites. Really, the depth and hatred of rabid black racism knows no bounds, even unto the president of the USA. 

Donna Brazile is a

Donna Brazile is a ventriloquist's dummy with voice provided by her fellow inmates at the DNC.  Her last original thought probably occurred in late 1991.

yea? Well what is

yea?

Well what is Winchell Mahoney doing on a sunday am show with a gazillion viewers smart guy?

We need to get George a pair

We need to get George a pair of jeans...and he will be fine.

Jeans for George?

Dont forget the pick-up truck!

It was joke based on his

It was joke based on his column of last year...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR200904...

Jeans for George

How about a pick-up truck. George is starting to get fired up finally.

once again.. the R's at the upcoming setup conference on health

Once again.. the R's at the upcoming 'setup' conference on health
care reform w/ the President should do the following.

1st. Using all of the poster board available and using bold bright and red colors (thinking of Ross Perot here), present the data from the endless national polling (including NPR's latest) reminding the President, the D's, the press, and the American people, that the people have spoken, and a strong majority do not want their form of massive of health care reform on the table for discussion.

They have clearly stated - take it off the table, and start over. That does not mean that the President post his revised version of the same multi thousand and multi $Trillion bill on the web, while he and the Democrats are planning behind closed doors to pass it anyway [reconciliation] when the R's don't buy into what Obama is peddling.

The R's need to make the case that they are on the side of the people here; they are the populist party in the moment.

2nd. Offer a deal to the President and the D's. If you folks, your families, and all of your staff and their families will immediately withdraw from the Federal Employees health system, and enroll - your choice - either into Medicaid, or in Medicare, Parts A & B (and NO, you cannot opt for Medicare Advantage or purchase a Medicare supplement plan - you only get that stripped down "public option"), and live the experience for the next 3 years, we will sit down and entertain listening to you share your experiences with us and the American people.

Good night and good luck.

(;'~/ gary

Gary

Great idea but include all civilian goverment employees especially the unions.

well99

Well, I'd thought about that; however, the angle here is simply to get Congress and the Administration to be willing to expose themselves and their loved ones to the "public options" available - for the shock effect of it.

While it's true that if the union and other government EE's were forced out of their current competitive private system into currently available public options, they would revolt, riot and pillage; the actual feasibility of removing tens of millions of folks from the free market and putting them into government run health care, as it exists, would result in breaking both banks, and we're trying to keep that from happening.

(;~> gary

Gary

No way would it happen.But I will bet the Dems would be wetting their pants at the idea.You made a good point to expose the hypocrisy of Reid and Obama.I would love to see their faces if what you proposed happened. 

LOL - This must be George Will rehabilitation day at NB

Brazile is about as wooden-headed as a cigar store indian, and not half as smart.

As for the Republicans being the party of "no," they need to become the party of, "Hell, no!"

Even now, there are repubs looking to cut deals with the dems on CommieCare, Crap & Tax and a few other things.

These are the repubs that need to be run off next November.

-Dave

TAX PROTEST! ONLINE MARCH ON WASHINGTON

wow

Dowd kicked butt and tooks names.I dont know him but he was spot on.

Time to move on ...

Where there's a Will, there's a way.

George Will is a national treasure.

No one can condense so much insight, truth and meaning into so few words ... which is why the discussion usually "moves on" to another topic as soon as his blank-faced colleagues have been put in their rightful place.

 metaphorsbwithu

I Agree

"Dowd kicked butt and tooks names.I dont know him but he was spot on."

I don't know who he is either but damn, was he "spot on"!

Lincoln was a Progressive

Recently I have been studying the life and times of Abraham Lincoln.  I have asked myself what his core political and philosophical beliefs were.  The question vexed me, until further studying.  With out much fanfare let me boldly state that if Mr. Lincoln were alive today, he would be called a Progressive by some of the right leaning pundits.  Mr. Lincoln has no more in common with the modern Republican Party as say Andrew Jackson has with the modern Democratic Party.  We must ask ourselves who were the voices behind supporting the expansion of slavery?  What were their beliefs?  It is safe to say that these voices such as Jeff Davis, (Who ironically was the military provisional governor of Alaska!) believed in a weak impotent Federal Government.  Thus the name Confederate States!  Lincoln advocated government expansion on industry, on tariffs, and infrastructure.  He established the first truly progressive income tax system as well.  To top that all off, he put the currency of the United States onto the fiat paper money system.  He was also an advocate of a national bank! 

George Will is a brilliant man.  He is an excellent writer and thinker, but his claims of kinship to Abraham Lincoln are quite baseless.        

Alexander Hamilton, George

Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and many of the founding fathers were huge advocats of a national bank. This hardly puts them inline with today's Progressive, just like it doesn't make Lincoln a Progressive.

Lincoln was a huge advocate of State power until the States, Southern ones, abused their power and then he used teh Federal government as it is suppose to be used, to keep the Union together.

Lincoln has a lot in common with today's Republican party. Andrew Jackson's populism, fakery that he connected with the common man or woman, puts him right inline with today Liberal Democrats.

i'll agree that there are difference between today's parties and yesterday's Republican and Democratic party and in some issues a switch has been made, Democrats are the protectionist and the pro-tariff party, but the national bank idea doesn't prove Lincoln was a Progressive. The national bank idea has been around since the beggining of the USA, read Alexander Hamilton.

Liberallies

You are a worthy adversary.  Let us first take a statement that runs contraire to your beliefs.  You say that the following:

“then he used teh Federal government as it is suppose to be used, to keep the Union together.” Is not the whole legitimacy of our very government based off using conservative theory on the consent of the governed?  In essence you are arguing against your very own conservative beliefs.  When a state secedes that means they are no longer consenting to be governed.  For the full force of the Federal Government to come down upon the states for secession and coerce them to stay in a union that they no longer want to be a part of runs perpendicular to conservative thought.  Using your belief system you are saying, to save the Union you must first destroy the foundations of it.       

Finally, Mr. Hamilton was not a believer in small government.  He was an instrumental figure in a strong vigorous National Government.  He was a Federalist and a thorn in the side of Thomas Jefferson. The two men were from complete different schools of political thought.  Hamilton was large strong government and Jefferson was small and weak government.

 

Henry Clay,I am

Henry Clay,

I am surprised that you don't see the obvious answer to your post.

Hmmmm.....can there be a State if there is not United States of America first? I think this about destroys your argument.

If the State decides to leave the Union, well, hmmm...it is no longer a State. If there is no country, United States of America, Illinois, N. Carolina, etc would not exist as a State. So, I do believe in the power of the State, but not in the extreme believe that a State is powerful enough to leave the union. Conservatism is not equal to the ability of States to destroy our great union, right?

Alexander Hamilton was a thorn on Jefferson's behind. I think both of them were extreme and thus the reason why they came up with a middle of the road government. You can't have pure State power or pure Federal government power and IF the States abuse their power, well it is the obligation of the Federal government to step in as Lincoln did. There can be no State power if there is no Country, right?

I don't want the country of Illinois, or N. Carolina, or S. Carolina. I want the United States of America.

Also, read the below post. Lincoln was a real conservative when it came to militar power and how he treated confederate prisoners and journalist who abused their freedom.

Liberallies

Again, using your conservative beliefs to demonstrate my point; where do the powers of the states rest?  The answer my friend is with the people; to extrapolate even further, with the consent of the people.  The Constitution is more than a set of rules and regulations; it is a contract that the people signed with each other.  The United States is more than territory and land boundaries; it is the thought of a free people consenting with their own free will to be governed.  Did Madison and Hamilton take Federal troops to the States to get the people to go along with the Constitution?  No, they wrote the “Federalist Papers” to persuade the populace to choose Federalism.  Lincoln did the opposite.

Is this not the whole argument of the TEA Party Movement; to have the voice and the consent of the people to be listened to?   

Henry Clay, Hmmmm....what

Henry Clay,

Hmmmm....what happened after the American Revolution and with the Article of Confederation being the law of the land for the new United States?

George Washignton deployed Federal troops to keep towns, cities and States from believing that they could do whatever they wanted under the new United States.

Our Founding Fathers realized that the Articles of Confederation gave way too much power to the newly created States of the USA. Thus they wanted a more centralized government which gave power to the States, but also gave power to a Federal government.

Once again, and you failed to answer. If the States stop being States, is there a United States of America ruled by the people with the consent of the people?

I am unsure what you are debating. Are you saying that Lincoln should have never fought the Civil War? that it should have allowed the Southern States to leave the Union? that he should have given speech after speech, written books and letters to persuade Southerns to give up slave?

Liberallies

I am so sorry that you have misunderstood me.  I was only demonstrating how my beliefs and Lincoln’s are in beautiful unison.  Whereas your beliefs and the Confederacy’s are more alike.  That is all that I was trying to demonstrate.

I do believe in a strong vigorous National Government; and the death toll of the Civil War was appalling.  I think that Lincoln should have done more to avoid war; but alas, that is history and I am a mere peon compared to the greatness of Lincoln, so who am I to Monday morning quarterback.

Henry Clay, eh? My

Henry Clay,

eh? My beliefs are closer to the Confederacy than to those of Lincoln? eh? since when?

The Confederacy States believes in the States of the United States Federal power as long as these benefited them. The second that these powers stopped benefiting the South and slavery, the Confedereate States turned their backs on the power days ealier they claimed to believe.

The States power rights versus the Federal Centralized power rights has been around since BEFORE the American Revolution ended.

Lincoln believed, like I do, in State powers, as long as these State power did not mean the end of the Union, just like I believe it.

I believe in a strong national government that doesn't infringe upon the rights of the people or the States' right. I believe in the 10th Amendment very much. But I do not believe in State rights allowing a State to leave the union. That is much more in line with Lincoln than the Confederate State and THIS Is what most Conservatives believe in.

A strong national government that doesn't abuse its power and it doesn't infringe upon the rights of the people or the State.

this is not what many Liberals believe in. Liberals believe that it should be federal judges that should be making law, not the congress. Way too many Liberals believe that the National Government should be very vigorous and a government that imposes and forces citizens to do amoral things.

I believe in a national government that can raise an armed forces to protect me. a government that uses its might to protect its citizens and not to impose its amoral will on the people, abortion comes to mind as an abuse of a strong national government. 

 

Henry Clay, Another

Henry Clay,

Another thing, you are assuming a lot by saying, "...using your conservative beliefs..." hmmm...what do you know about my Conservative beliefs? seriously. What do you know abou them?

You are trying to pigeonhole me into the Tea Party movement or whatever you have come to believe are my conservative beleifs.

Don't stereotype. Conservatives are not homogeneous individuals in their beleifs.

But I am just curious why you keep on saying, "...using your conservative beliefs..." Not to be mean, but you do not have a clue as to my Conservative beliefs, right?

Liberallies

I am truly sorry if I offended you.  I only wrote, “Your conservative beliefs” so that other readers would know that that is not what I believe.  Sorry if I offended you.

I won’t pigeon hold you in your beliefs; you are free as the wind on a winters night to believe in what you want.  If you don’t agree or are not apart of this TEA Party Movement; then I commend you for not being irrational.  Essentially though, that is what the current protestors believe.  That is their argument.  I would also appreciate the reciprocity that not all liberals are alike either.  I would hate to be lumped in the same category as Matt Damon.      

Henry Clay, Hmmm...you

Henry Clay,

Hmmm...you attempted to praise me while insulting individuals involved in the Tea Party movement. Hmmm...what is so irrational about them? I thought Liberals were open minded, right? Or are you one of those closed minded individuals?

While I do not agree 100% with the Tea Party movement, I give them the respect that is due. Their ability to organize typically non-involved citizens who are rightly terrified at the incredible amount of power that our Central government has acquired.

I am one of those individuals, one of those citizens that sees the incredible power of our Federal government and can't help be reminded of my nation of birth, Venezuela. Through out the last Presidential election, ,I heard Obama give speeches and what I heard was Hugo Chavez's speeches of Hope and Change that he gave to the Venezuelan people. I saw my usual rational, well educated friends get drunk with Obama voting for him and I saw my well educated uncles, cousins, friends in Venezuela vote for Hugo Chavez. Now, I hear my friends and family members who voted for Obama regret their vote, much like I heard my friends and family in Venezuela.

While this amass of Federal power did not begin with Obama, he has done more than any other President to centralize the Federal power and take away State rights, the people's right.

By the way, do you not believe that the people should rule, that a nation is governed by the consent of the people, by the people for the people with the people? Who is the last Liberal President, politicians that governed from such point of view? eh?

You mention Lincoln Unmasked below. If anything, you should be a huge part of the Tea Party movement, as you have come to understand it, since DiLorenzo argument is that President Lincoln used too much of the Federal government and abused his Federal powers to keep the Union together, right? Of course I disagree with DiLorenzo, but you seem to agree with him on a book that comes close if not actually argues that having a Southern Confederacy would have been golden for North America.

 

Hank - Hamilton was also a Torie wannabe

and would have handed back the young republic to the Brits for a million or so pounds.

Thank God Aaron Burr took care of him.

Who is the author of that book you are reading? 

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Bo, I think I know who

Bo,

I think I know who the author is, but I am going to let Henry Clay put up the author. If I am not mistaken, it is going to be your typical Liberal/Progressive who loves to claim that Lincoln would never be admitted into today's Republican party.

The truth is that no candidate ever fits perfectly the Conservative or Liberal label of our two major political parties. Bush was not even close to the Conservative that Reagan was, but Bush was a real Republican with as much in common with Lincoln as Clinton was a real Democrat and he had much in common with Andrew Jackson.

Lincoln's task to keep the Union together forced him to use Federal powers that should be rarely used, mainly warring with the parts that make the USA, the USA in order to keep the Union together.

Henry Clay is pushing an extreme form of Conservatism and claiming this is main stream Conservatism. I am all for the power of the State, as long as that State or States do not push for the disunion of our great Union.

Agree with on every point, Liberallies,

but one:  Our dear Hank is probably not a conservative by any definition.  We have been overrun lately with socialists who pretend to be conservatives. 

I would have more respect for them if they would simply admit they are socialists and get on with their lying rants.  As it is, I enjoy provoking them until they cannot help but expose themselves!  ;-)

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Liberallies

I think that if you read Robert V. Remini’s biography on Andrew Jackson your opinions of him would change.

Henry Clay, I have never

Henry Clay,

I have never been one to change my ideas and beliefs on an individuals because I read one book or two about him or her. I go with historical facts, what I read, etc and I make my own conclusions.

 

On Books

If everyman had this stance than no great works of prose would ever be written.  We would not have the classics of Dickens, the insight of gender politics of Austen, the dilemma of good vs. evil of Hawthorne or the satire of Twain.  My little leather covered friends whom keep my thoughts company at night.  Farewell you say to Milton and Dante.  You will never change my worldview.  I say humbug!  For that is why books are to be written.    

Plagiarism! I cry PLAGIARISM! J'ACCUSE!

This is an exact duplicate of a paragraph from my Sophomore English Lit. paper!  Well, really - this is uncalled for, Hank.  Shame on you.

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Henry Clay, So, are your

Henry Clay,

So, are your beliefs grounded on quick sand that you need to turn to faceless authors in order to assure yourself whether you are right or wrong?

Do you read books to have your quick sand beliefs be changed by authors who are manipulators? who use emotional stories to manipulate you into believing what they believe?

I read books to get informed, to know more, to know how others think. I read books that will lead me to do my own research. I hardly read books to have my worldview shaped. This is insane.

If you need to read a book in order to have your worldviews shaped, you are in real, real trouble.

You attempt at satire and condescension fails miserably. If everyone believed like you, Henry Clay, all we would have is empty shells who only made up their minds after reading Milton, Dante, Twain and other great masters of manipulation. Empty shells who are amoral until they read books.

But in fact, that is the problem with many Liberals. They do have their beliefs standing on quick-sand and desperatly need others to agree with them.

Hankster---

Some books are to be tasted.

Others to be swallowed. 

And some few to be chewed and digested.

(Sir Francis Bacon)

Some posters posts leave a bad taste in the mouth.

Some of their posts contain info that is hard to swallow.

And some few, like you, should be eschewed, lest we be disgusted.

(matthewdean)

MD

Henry Clay, So, why do

Henry Clay,

So, why do you want to avoid me, shun me? because I told you the truth? Typical Liberal, you lose the debate and you want to run away.

Sorry kid, I don't read books in order for my mind to be easily brainwashed by its authors. I am not easily manipulated like you, a typical, run of the mill Liberal.

For claiming to read a lot, you have a very hard time with reading comprehension. You claimed that I said something that was actually said by another poster.

and I see that you completly ignored the fact that if DiLorenzo had his way, the Southern States would have created their own nation and kept slavery. Something that completly missed your "well" read mind. I guess Milton, Dante, Twain never informed you of this, so you were unable to formulate an opinion on this.

But go ahead, ignore me, it is easier to do than for you to confront your obvious ignorance.

 

BO STINKS

I read many books, but the one that got me to investigate a little further was written actually by a conservative.  Thomas J. DiLorenzo, author of “Lincoln Unmasked”.

Is this the one you were thinking of, Liblies?

I was thinking of the one written by a homosexual.  Tried to find his name and failed, but his lies about Lincoln caused a huge controversy at the time the book was published.

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Bo---

Gore Vidal, I believe.

MD

YES! Thank you matthew

That is exactly who this schmoe, hank, reminds me of!  Gore Vidal!  Hahahaha - perfect!

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Henry Clay, DiLorenzo?

Henry Clay,

DiLorenzo? really? Lincoln Unmasked? this book is a bunch of hogwash in the tradition of the believe that Abraham Lincoln was dishonest and self-interested President.

This book is so ridiculous that it goes on to compare the Civil War battle in Georgia to carpet bombing. No real scholar takes DiLorenzo seriously.

He also attacks Lincoln, who did not have a particular Christian demonization, for using the Bible.

One of the more ridiculous assertions made by DiLorenzo in his atrocious book is that around 70% or more of the Southerns military aged men were either killed or mamed, when the facts prove that the numbers are closer to 3%.

He also argues that secession was legal and Lincoln had no legal power to forbid it.

DiLorenzo comes close to being a pro-slavery racist who wishes for the Southern States to have succeeded in leaving the Union and continuing slavery.

The book comes across as being very sympatheitc to the Southern cause and very close to saying, how dare Lincoln use the powers of the Federal government to end Slavery.

Very scary author and very scary book.

The Article of

The Article of Confederation gave almost sole power to the States and what was the consequences? pure and utter havoc. No two States had teh same currency, inability to raise a federal army.

What you are speaking about was tried and it failed big time!

and yes, George Washington used troops, FEDERAL troops to keep order in America while the Articles of Confederation were the law of the land.

BO---

The book Hank Mud is reading was supposedly authored by some obscure literary figure who goes by the pen name of O. Bama.

Either his fathers name is Allah Bama, or he is from AlaBama; I couldn't quite make it out on the dust jacket.

This O. Bama character has apparently fashioned this Civil War era manuscript as an autobiography, as he feels he "channels" A. Linkum into his own personal soul on an as needed basis. 

Rumors abound (unsubstantiated, but thick) that this masterpiece was partially written by one Wee Willie Airs.

The other portion (that not written by Airs), was supposedly penned by Sal A. Linsky.

Sure glad I did'nt purchase the book; though I did hear each copy comes with a pre-signed voter registration form inside that may be redeemed for cash at any ACORN outlet.

MD 

matthew, my tummy hurts from laughing!

All of hank's posts reminds of the bs I used to write in college.  It pleased the profs no end and I received an A or B+   95% of the time.  Not bragging because I look back all those years and am ashamed that I stooped to their level.  But darn, it was so-o-o easy.

25-30 yrs. later and the universities are exactly the same!  Progressive indeed.

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Bo, I was one of those

Bo,

I was one of those annoying kids in college that always questioned the professors' Liberal mantra.

I always wrote papers questioning their mantra.

I remember once writing a paper calling Castro and his government a bunch of communist cronies who cared nothing for Cuba and its people. That all they cared about was themselves and having power over the people of Cuba. My professor had a fit admonishing me saying that Castro and his people loved Cuba.

It was quite entertaining. I am 34 years old now and I still fight against the Liberal propaganda that is constantly spewed.

But read up on Lincoln Unmaksed. It is a very scary book bordering on racism. The author argues with half-truths and many lies. He goes as far as saying that Lincoln was wrong to have not allowed the South to leave the Union and to have fought a war over slavery. DiLorenzo is a very scary character and very dishonest.

Wow, liblies...

I am proud of you for standing up like that.  Would have loved to watch the prof's face turn purple with rage!  Good times, good times.

I will read up on DiLorenzo's book.  A budding KKK Exalted Cyclops in the making?   It's not surprising that these books are written, really.  Socialism is evil and brings evil into every aren of our lives (even Honest Abe's life) ~ :-(

edit:  thought this was matthew, sorry liblies!

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Bo, Something that I

Bo,

Something that I learned a long time ago...

Most Liberals are..

1) Anti-semites who hate Israel and love the Palestinians. Nothing wrong with the latter, but when you are anti-semite ,well you have issues.

2) They are sad, sad racist who believe they are the Great White Hope for us poorly educated people from countries south of the border.

Of course, not all of them, but most of the are.

Look at Chris Matthews saying that he forgot that Obama was black. How anyone can take Liberals seriously, is beyond me.

Of course, not all of them, but most of them and for sure those in control of the Democratic party and Liberal causes.

Agree completely...

 

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Liberallies

Oh my, I thought Liberals were always accused of playing the race card?  For a book that you have never read, you do have some strong opinions.  I do not agree with DiLorenzo on a lot of things, but he is hardly a member of the KKK.

Finally, Sherman’s March to the Sea was akin to a Dresden.  It was a systematic plundering of civilian victims.  He showed no mercy to these civilians.  Many favorable Lincoln historians are in agreement that if the Confederacy won, they would be justified in charging William T. Sherman with War Crimes.

If you want to call me racist, so be it.  It only proves my argument even more.    

Henry Clay, A book I have

Henry Clay,

A book I have never read? You keep up with your assumptions don't you.

Please prove that I have never read this book.

tick, tock, tick, tock....

No one is calling you a racist, but Mr. DiLorenzo certainly borders on it.

After READING his book I could not help but think that DiLorenzo very much longs for the Southern States to have become their own country.

Henry Clay,and...what

Henry Clay,

and...

what would have happen if the Southern States had succeeded in becoming their own country, eh? as DiLorenzo longs for? eh?

what would have happened to Slavery, eh?

or haven't Milton, Dante, Twain told you what to think if this would have happened?

Let me know if I have to wait for you to read a book in order for you to have your "own" opinion on this matter, ok?

ex perto credite liberallies!

Alas your trickery has been set about in your demise!  To quote:

“I will read up on DiLorenzo's book.  A budding KKK Exalted Cyclops in the making?”

 One must take from this very sentence that you must read up about the book, but yet you already expressed a biased opinion.  That is why Liberals by far are the most opened minded.  We actually read books written by the other side.  We devour them with our insatiable appetite for knowledge.  This explains why men like Mark Levin have best sellers, not do to their audiences; but because we on the other side want to read their thoughts; we want to know what makes men so angry? 

I said that, you moron

Good Lord, your reading comp. sucks!

I'm just waiting for you to tell us your bona fides, that should be a good laugh.

 

"Like all propagandists, liberals create mythical enemies to justify their own viciousness and advance their agenda." ~Ann Coulter 

Henry Clay, Hmmmm...you

Henry Clay,

Hmmmm...you realize that it was Bo who made that statement and not me, correct?

I guess Milton, Dante, Twain and the rest of the authors that you revere didn't tell you that either, right?

You have made countless assumptions about who I am, what I read, etc.

You aren't an open minded Liberal, you are a closed minded Liberal who loves to stereotype Conservatives.

Why don't you continue and tell us all what books i have on my library at home, eh?

Reading and comprehension are far from your forte. But you do come across as your typical, run of the mill condescending, foolish Liberal.

Try reading this forum and stop claiming that I said things that I never said!

Sherman's March was brilliant.

Devised by General Grant as a two-prong attack, with Grant attacking Richmond, Virginia (Capitol of CSA) and Sherman going after Atlanta, Georgia (major logistic center of the CSA).  The main purpose of Sherman's March was to destroy the major converging railroads.

They used the same tatics that were taught world over to live off the land (take what you need to survive).  The burning of Atlanta was psychological to instill fear in the hearts of their enemy and to deny them their needed staples and support for the war.  I believe it was Georgia's Representative to the Confederate Congress, that advised the people of Georgia to take up arms against Sherman.  Once done, they are no longer considered civilians (please read the Laws of Armed Conflict).

The fastest way to end a war is not to defeat their military as to defeat the will of the people supporting their cause.  That is still the bases of most combat operations today.  If you break the spirit of the people, support for war wanes.  Perfect example, 1970 America with the anti-war rallies, 1944/45 Germany.  When Dresden and Berlin was destroyed the basic will of the people dissolved.

One must understand war to fight it.  Even my history professor, a southern gentleman, admired the execution of Sherman's March.  Both sides agree that some misconduct was committed BY BOTH SIDES.  But by far the largest crimes were committed by the South (read history of Andersonville, or other Southern POW camps). 

Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.

Sherman was brilliant, his "March" ...not so much.

--and should be distinguished from his Atlanta campaign through northern Georgia where the Confederate Army of Tennessee employed a reasonably competent, but only sporadically succssessful, defensive strategy.  An impatient Jefferson Davis replaced Joe Johnston with the over-agressive, intellectually deficient, physically impaired, and drug-addled John Bell Hood, whose stunning ineptness resulted in the virtual liquidation of his army within a matter of months.  Hood abandoned Georgia to lead his forces on a quixotic venture into Tennessee where it was pulverized into oblivion at Franklin and Nashville.

Sherman was the beneficiary of an essentially unimpeded "March to the Sea" and the opportunity to symbolically present the port city of Savannah to Lincoln as a "Christmas gift" at the end of the year [1864].  Four months later, Grant checkmated Lee outside of Richmond and that was that.

The bombing of Dresden and other German population centers never succeeded in breaking the will of the citizenry.  On the other hand, the destruction of Hitler's Luftwaffe and war-related industries through strategic bombing was instrumental in bringing World War II to a close.

Jer

Not so on last point Jer

Served five years in Germany, with two in the former West Berlin. Haven spoken to the locals from that time period as to the major effects of the war, West Berliners were horrified when the Allies bombed their beloved city.  Yes the systematic destruction of war- related industries was a significant blow to their war making capabilities.  The psychological effects of the constant bombing  took its toll.  When used with the destruction of heavy industries and loss of life, most state they lost the will to fight.  They bought into the BS of Hitler in the beginning, but lost faith and just wanted the war to end.  Most didn't know how or were scared due to the constant round-ups from the SS.

Strategic bombing, controlling the battlefield (both by air, ground, sea) and psychological warfare ended the war.  It is still preached in all military academy's.  Again, I suggest looking at the effects of the 1970 anti-war "peace" rallies.  America controlled the battlefield, except for some inept ideas from our government.  We had some of the best equipment and have the numbers to win.  In fact we could of won if we didn't stop the bombing.  Yes, I've spent time in Vietnam from 1993-1996.  I've talked to their soldiers and civilians.  The B-52's scared the sh$t out of them.  The North was running out of supplies, their troop being killed by the hundreds, but it was the B-52's that broke them.  Suddenly they couldn't get to the peace table fast enough.  In the end we still lost the war because of the American people lost faith in the war and the politicians saw their re-election chances going south fast.  Never under estimate the will of the people.

Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.

By the way, right before the

By the way, right before the Civil War and during the Civil War, President Lincoln arrested countless of Confederate military and political leaders and held them without trial. this hardly makes him a Progressive/Liberal. he also arrested and jailed without trial countless of journalist who loved undermining the Northern cause by always publishing army movements, and other military secrets.

I am still scratching my head at your claim that Lincoln would be considered a Progressive/Liberal. eh?

Oh for crying out loud

Not this bs again

Lincoln was a strict adherer to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If he were a progressive, there would be a USA South today.

 

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

George Will

Taking it to the Democrats and their stupid policies. 

http://libfail.com

Brazille loses the

Brazille loses the intellectual argument and immediately launches into campaign mode rhetoric. George Will continually lives up to his assertion that 1 conservative against 4 liberals is a fair fight.

I do not understand this

I do not understand this "party of no" nonsense, when for the last year the Democrats have controlled the presidency, hava a huge advantage in the House and had a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate.  Under this scenario, why does it matter what the Republicans say about anything? 

Of course it matters because the Democrats know the agenda they are trying to sell is not popular with the electorate; if it was this would all be a done deal.  Dems want some Rs on board so they can proclaim a "bipartisan" feather in their cap, and for Obama.  At the end of the day, it is not Republicans who have stopped Democrats; it is the will of the people--and what exactly is wrong with that?

A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.

Donna...

.... must have missed that class on percentages.   

You've got to be kidding. 

You've got to be kidding.  Someone criticized the Republican party and Will's rebuttal was to cite something good the GOP did a century and a half ago?  Wow.  How incredibly irrelevant to the topic at hand.  I love ya George, you're one of the few intelligent conservative commentators out there, but this is just sad.  It's something Michael Moore would say.  It's beyond cheap and pathetic.  Our party must be right about healthcare in 2010 because 150 years ago "we" opposed slavery?

I guess the fact that Will didn't cite something from at least the last century - or, you know, remotely applicable to contemporary issues - just goes to show how long it's been since conservatives have been right about something.

This would be funny if the right didn't take such fatuous nonsense seriously.

Warning: trolls lurking. 

Warning: trolls lurking.  Do not feed, or they will keep coming back.

"I hope for nothing.  I fear nothing.  I am free."  Nikos Kazantzakis

lincoln and civil war

someone here said, how can there be states without the union or some such drivel. i would like to point out, that when the revolutionary war was won, each state was granted freedom from the brittish empire. not the united states...each state.  and, what did they use to create a government? the articles of confederation, which were flawed, so they sought to change them. up until the civil war, no-one considered leaving the union (except several northern states including delaware and rhode island who frequently used this threat to get bills passed), and it was only then that they realized that there was no clause preventing a state from leaving it. none. nada. it was a voluntary agreement between states to join together in common defense, and provide equal taxation for every state. however, issues arose which the founders did not see, like the fact that while most of the tax money was gathered from the south, most of it was spent in the north. yes, slavery was an issue, but taxation was also a huge issue.

if you think i am wrong, why then were all the southern states made to amend their own constitutions so that they could never leave the united states legally, as a condition of surrender? 

a further point...why do we support states over-seas, who sought to leave the soviet union, when we ourselves deny that right to our own states?

Spoiled Children

with unlimited access to the cookie jar need to be told no often.

donna the dunce

i've watched donna through the years, and i have never agreed with her.  i don't know how this dunce keeps a job.

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