Has the emerging international ClimateGate scandal changed President Obama's global warming strategy?
After winning the Nobel Peace Prize last month, expectations were that Obama would not attend the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen due to it conflicting with the Nobel awards ceremony in Oslo.
This speculation was supported in the past couple of weeks when world leaders meeting in Singapore punted on reaching any firm agreements at the upcoming Copenhagen meeting, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (R-Nev.) delayed action on cap-and-trade legislation until next spring.
Yet, within days of the ClimateGate scandal breaking, Obama surprisingly announced that he's going to Copenhagen with a pledge for serious carbon dioxide emissions cuts.
The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Chris Horner told FBN's Charles Payne Wednesday that this is by no means a coincidence (video embedded below the fold with transcript):
CHARLES PAYNE, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK: Well, my next guest says the president's going to Copenhagen not in spite of these e-mails but because of these e-mails. He's in full panic mode. He's the author of the book "Red Hot Lies, How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep you Misinformed." So I guess based on the title, Chris Horner might feel a little vindicated by these hacked e-mails. How are you feeling about this thing?
CHRISTOPHER HORNER, "RED HOT LIES" AUTHOR: Yes, the words I told you so have come to mind a lot in the last week, and I just want to be clear, I'm not saying you were intentionally misled by your previous guest. I agree he doesn't have enough understanding or knowledge of the issues to comment because, for example, beyond the e-mails in the actual computer code itself annotated in the double digit number of times we have statements like apply a very artificial correction decline, two exclamation marks, all caps, very artificial.
And it's in the double digit number of times whereby they say they're applying an artificial decline to, as the gentleman said, use a trick to hide the decline. And I might be tempted to entertain such fantasy if not for an independent investigation. Thanks to Congress, already proving that these very specific actions and questions were a trick to hide the decline in temperatures.
So they're trying to brazen this out, Charles, and the president, as you indicated, I believe, is doubling down. They're panicked. They're going to politically commit the U.S. in three weeks to a treaty now in violation of their own express policy of waiting for Congress to tell them what they're able to do because they really do believe they must act now.
PAYNE: But the interesting thing though is even if they go over there, they make these proposals, you've got major countries out there, China and India, who seemed very reluctant to go along at all. Does that mean at the end of the day it's going to cost Americans even more money to comply with the president's agenda?
HORNER: It's going to cost an awful lot of money. According to the Congressional Budget Office, EPA, Energy Information Administration, Charles River Associates International, American Council for Capital Formation, that's government, that's private, cap and trade kills jobs.
It killed jobs in Europe. It sent them here. Carroll county, Kentucky. Steel jobs from Acerinox in Spain called North American Stainless Steel. Their CEO now says those jobs are going to Malaysia. I don't know what about that we don't understand, what about this newest export from Europe, we don't like. But cap and trade is energy rationing. It will kill jobs, it's the point. I have no reason to believe Barack Obama was lying when he said his goal was to cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket to raise billions. This is an ideology in search of an excuse.
The scientists in their own words have now affirmed, not revealed, affirmed. These are the same people I named in my book, admitting to precisely the actions I described in my book. Yes, I told you so has come to mind recently.
PAYNE: So, Chris, now having said that, you know, listen, a lot of Americans still believe in global warming and are ready to take the dive, if you will. Is there any chance that these e-mails, this smoking gun can turn the tide?
HORNER: Well, first of all, that's two different statements. A lot of people so long as it's at the cocktail, feel-good, don't you want to save the planet level? Yes, 80 percent of the people do. And then you say, what would you want to pay for it? And they say something below $1 per gallon and the "Washington Post" wouldn't ask below that.
And I suggested less than a quarter a gallon because people understand - this, look, these people have been exposed in their own words as falsifying results. Not marginal results, the premise for Kyoto and cap and trade. It's an organized, in their own words, effort to destroy data, subvert and violate transparency laws, and it appears on its face to be an organized effort with an intent to defraud.
Yes, we need an investigation because, Charles, these scientists say their names have been wrongly sullied. And there's no - they're great. And surely they join my call, Senator Inhofe's call and others for an investigation to clear their name before we go any further on these international commitments that really only target us and cap and trade, which is the biggest tax increase in American history. No, the American people don't support that, just ask them.
PAYNE: All right. The biggest tax increase in American history. Chris, I know your phone's ringing off the hook, congratulations. Thanks for coming on the show.
WARNER: Thank you, Charles.
Is Horner right?
Well, let's start with an October 24 article by Britain's Times:
President Obama will almost certainly not travel to the Copenhagen climate change summit in December and may instead use his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to set out US environmental goals, The Times has learnt.
With healthcare reform clogging his domestic agenda and no prospect of a comprehensive climate treaty in Copenhagen, Mr Obama may disappoint campaigners and foreign leaders, including Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband, who have urged him to attend to boost the hopes of a breakthrough.
The White House would not comment on Mr Obama's travel plans yesterday, but administration officials have said privately that "Oslo is plenty close" - a reference to the Nobel ceremony that falls on December 10, two days into the Copenhagen meeting.
The White House confirmed that the President would be in Oslo to accept the prize, but a source close to the Administration said it was "hard to see the benefit" of his going to Copenhagen if there was no comprehensive deal for him to close or sign. Another expert, who did not want to be named, said he would be "really, really shocked" if Mr Obama went to Copenhagen, adding that European hopes about the power of his Administration to transform the climate change debate in a matter of months bore little relation to reality.
Three weeks later, the New York Times reported:
President Obama and other world leaders have decided to put off the difficult task of reaching a climate change agreement at a global climate conference scheduled for next month, agreeing instead to make it the mission of the Copenhagen conference to reach a less specific "politically binding" agreement that would punt the most difficult issues into the future.
At a hastily arranged breakfast on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit meeting on Sunday morning, the leaders, including Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the prime minister of Denmark and the chairman of the climate conference, agreed that in order to salvage Copenhagen they would have to push a fully binding legal agreement down the road, possibly to a second summit meeting in Mexico City later on.
"There was an assessment by the leaders that it is unrealistic to expect a full internationally, legally binding agreement could be negotiated between now and Copenhagen, which starts in 22 days," said Michael Froman, the deputy national security adviser for international economic affairs. "I don't think the negotiations have proceeded in such a way that any of the leaders thought it was likely that we were going to achieve a final agreement in Copenhagen, and yet thought that it was important that Copenhagen be an important step forward, including with operational impact."
Four days later, the Wall Street Journal reported:
Senate Democratic leaders said Tuesday they would put off debate on a big climate-change bill until spring, in a sign of weakening political will to tackle a long-term environmental issue at a time of high unemployment and economic uncertainty.
Legislation on health care, overhauling financial markets and job creation will be considered before the Senate takes up a measure to cap emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to climate change, Senate Democratic leaders said Tuesday.
Climate legislation will be taken up "some time in the spring," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Tuesday after a Democratic caucus meeting.
That was November 18. Two days later, NewsBusters reported:
E-mail messages between high-ranking scientists appear to indicate a conspiracy by some of the world's leading global warming alarmists to falsify temperature data in order to exaggerate global averages.
Now, five days after the scandal rocked climate alarmists around the world, Obama seemed to shift gears as reported by Britain's Financial Times:
Barack Obama has thrown his weight behind a deal on climate change by announcing he will attend the Copenhagen summit with a pledge for a 17 per cent cut in US emissions.
The US president's pledge removes one of the final obstacles to a deal, as other developed countries have already announced their targets to cut emissions by 2020.
Adding to the drama, the Los Angeles Times reported moments ago:
Canada's prime minister is reversing his position and will attend a United Nations climate change conference in Copenhagen next month, Stephen Harper's spokesman said Thursday.
Dimitri Soudas announced Harper decided to attend one day after U.S. President Barack Obama and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced their attendance at the U.N. talks. Soudas said Harper's decision was based on the fact that now "a critical mass of world leaders will be attending."
So, four weeks ago, for a variety of reasons, Obama was believed to be skipping the Copenhagen conference. World leaders then decided to postpone coming to any major agreements there, and Reid similarly postponed bringing cap-and-trade legislation to the floor of the Senate.
Along comes ClimateGate, and Obama quickly announced that he's heading to Copenhagen with a fairly serious emissions cut pledge.
Coincidence?
Not likely, for the White House either realizes that the current momentum against cap-and-trade legislation needs to be halted quickly if it's ever going to get passed, or they felt they needed to divert attention on the subject of global warming away from the growing scandal.
After all, as e-mail messages and documents obtained from the computers of Britain's Climate Research Unit continue to be analyzed, it seems likely that more revelations damaging to scientists involved as well as to the global warming myth are going to surface.
As NewsBusters reported Wednesday, the American Thinker's Marc Sheppard has already uncovered source code in CRU documents clearly used to manipulate climate data.
More such discoveries seem a metaphysical certitude.
With calls out for CRU director Phil Jones to resign or be fired, such occurring while the Copenhagen conference produces absolutely nothing could be close to a death knell for the entire climate alarmism movement.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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Change your plans 0.
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 19:44 ET by Dan DiegoRam it through before America realize it's all BS with the MSM providing cover "what emails". Der One has been told that time is not on his side and been directed to attend.
Just remember this is about
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:39 ET by d1carterJust remember this is about social justice and social engineering. It has nothing to do with science.
Obama and other proponents
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:53 ET by motherbeltObama and other proponents will simply ignore the scandal, and go along their merry way as if it never happened.
They are already doing it. Obama has a list of proposals he is going to take to Copenhagen next month.
translation:
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 20:15 ET by Candance MooreGet it shoved through before they all find out what a scam it is.
The problem is that many
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:41 ET by bse5150The problem is that many people still don't know this is going on. Big family dinner tonight. Only one knew about the leaked emails. You can bet I let the others know. Tell a least one person you know this week. Keep the news moving. It's the only way to counter the MSM blockade of the truth.
You should see some of the replies I have
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:55 ET by general companyGotten back after sending some of the articles to various greenies. So funny,,,they were so sure, one of witch has a 10'x10' solar panel in his backyard with a battery bank the size of an average yard shed.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
How stupid does this dirtbag
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 20:23 ET by Chris M-GHow stupid does this dirtbag think we are?!
Put up a chart, any size
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:43 ET by GregEPut up a chart, any size chart. It's off of it.
Stupid as stupid does
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 07:42 ET by FranksamWhen you are as in-f-ing-credibly smart as Obama, everybody else is pretty stupid. Except for Michelle, of course.
→ Kick Obama's butt
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 20:36 ET by Cool ArrowHe'll be over in Copenhagen proclaiming "Global peace in our time"
Just let that little twit try to convince us his giant scam is anything less than the biggest boondoggle in history.
"Hey Rahm! Want to see me pull a rabbit out of my hat?"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Dancing on the tarmac with
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 07:48 ET by FranksamDancing on the tarmac with the treaty in his hand. What I'd prefer is if he'd offer to pull his head out of his..... Well that's not going to happen, and it probably wouldn't make much difference anyway.
→ Is it too late?
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 20:50 ET by Cool ArrowI'm thinking it's possible the teleprompter is already loaded and Obama doesn't want to bother with such sordid details as falsified data.
Plenty of good money to be made pretending to remove an odorless, colorless gas from the atmosphere, and if the CO2 levels don't behave as predicted, they can claim other countries over whom we hold no sway (China), are cheating.
This is just another Holland tulip bulb scheme on an infinitely larger scale.
Remember when a mated pair of ostriches went for $45k? And emus were all the rage?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Crap & Tax has already passed the House, and I expect it will...
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:19 ET by R D Helm...ultimately make it through the Senate, although it will be a close vote.
What this nation-destroying legislation actually says at this point is not nearly as important as getting it through the Senate.
They can always "fix" it later in the process.
Let's face it, probably only about 90% (and I am being generous here) of the American sheeple have even heard of ClimateGate.
In fact, I bet far more Americans could tell you the name of whatever that goop Adam Lambert puts in his hair than could tell you what ClimateGate is. Or even Cap & Trade.
And even if a majority of them actually did know what it is, it wouldn't matter, as our congress critters have proven beyond all doubt over the last year that they are no-longer listening to us.
What is more, through all of the treasury-emptying legislation this congress has passed from the auto company bailouts forward, the sheeple have proven they will, by and large, stay on the couch and do nothing.
Has anyone heard of even one recall petition in the works anywhere in America? I haven't.
Congress does not fear us, and given our disgraceful history of voter apathy, why should they?
Hell of a coup these commies have going here, wouldn't you say? I mean, in less than one year they have maneuvered things to the point where they are but literally two Senate votes away from completing the takeover, and the earliest the repubs will be able do anything about any of it will not be until January of 2013.
That is over three years from now.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
They are so desperate for
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:16 ET by ApacheThey are so desperate for cap and trade. Obama'a propaganda arm, GE, is demanding a return on their investment. Too much money in it for too many members of this ponzi scheme for it to go down this way.
Divergence Problem
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:17 ET by dboAlong comes ClimateGate, and Obama quickly announced that he's heading to Copenhagen
Obama probaly wants to meet these climate "scientists" so they can show him how to "hide the decline" in his employment statistics.
tax the Americans
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:21 ET by sevenThe gullible people are in office and the skeptics say I told you so.
Obama's hatred for this
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:49 ET by ThisnThatObama's hatred for this country knows no bounds. And he's determined to (a) bankrupt us, and (b) turn our sovernty over to the UN or to more nefarious "global control".
If the e-mails even surface at Copenhagan, obama will be first in line to apologize to the world community somehow.
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12 Imam
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 21:59 ET by LibertydudeThe arrogance of you people on this blog to question the 12th Imam is beyond all understanding, praise be obama.
You are obviously gun tot'en, bible reading, racist, domestic terrorists. shame, SHAME on you.
blessed be obama, from whom all blessings flow.
"What are you.... a wise guy" - curly,the three stooges.
I think the candle
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:47 ET by general companyOn your Obama mantal has gone out?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
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Fri, 11/27/2009 - 00:34 ET by dahliatravers... sorry, what were you saying? I was just finishing my gun-and-bible clinging session for the day.
I don't get it
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:05 ET by jon_torlinThere's something I don't quite understand, maybe someone can answer this for me?
When did the Polar Bear become the standard symbol for global warming? I know it was used in Algore's fictional movie "Inconvenient Truth," aptly name because as we saw from the news that the data was hidden and/or manipulated, the truth really was inconvenient. And I'm sure many of you saw that really silly yet gorey(Gore-y?) movie about polar bears falling out of the sky and crashing into anything and everything, takes a sick mind to think of that.
But did it start long before Algore's movie that the polar bear was supposed to be an endangered species? (more of them today than before, sure, that makes them endangered, I get it now!) How did that happen, how far back does that nonsense go?
I know the AGW mess goes back to the 90s and of course the big ice age scare that was 1975 with congressional hearings about global cooling.
Ugh, how do people get fooled so easily....
-Jon
Do you want to kill Polar
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:40 ET by ApacheDo you want to kill Polar Bears? DO YOU THINK IT'S OK TO KILL THESE LOVABLE FUR BALLS? Well? Oh you don't? Then you must agree we stop global warming. Because if you deny that we are responsible for global warming then you have just voted to kill polar bears. Think of the children. [/libtard] If one comes near me I'll kill it and put it on a kaiser roll.
Where the heck are the Senators?
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:04 ET by gilguyWhy aren't my conservative Senators bringing this up on the floor? There is a possibility this could lead to fraud charges...this needs to be brought up immediately! Shouldn't we all commit to writing our senaors and reps on this? Or do we just throw our hands in the air? I think we are in the final fight for our country as we know it...if we don't exercise every means to save it, we have only ourselves to blame.
As Beck says...it's time to start planning your exit strategy...
some of them? most of them?
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:13 ET by jon_torlinDidn't some of the supposedly conservative senators swallow the bilge that is global warming? I honestly can't think of any other senator besides Senator Inhofe who's vocal against it and rightfully so.
Can anyone else name names besides him?
-Jon
McCain! Oh wait, no.
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:27 ET by ApacheMcCain! Oh wait, no.
Newt Gingrich buys into
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 00:42 ET by Scout FinchNewt Gingrich buys into AGW. Hook, line, and sinker.
What a maroon.
Vitter
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:27 ET by general companyHe doesnt buy it either
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
not too convinced of him
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:50 ET by jon_torlinWasn't he one of the ones that got caught up in that DC Madam scandal a couple of years back? I know that's supposed to be a sin for republicans but a blessing for democrats.....
-Jon
I thought the question was
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 10:10 ET by general companyWeather or not he fell for the GW hype?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Thank you Inhoffe
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 00:53 ET by RESTLESS 1With Inhoffe bringing hearings, the msm will be hard pressed not to cover it.
We must, however, remain vigilant as to how it is reported. That will take great resolve for those that speak on this from a skeptical pov. They must be prepared for the battery that will be coming their way from the msm, and must have the facts handy.
They might want to clean their closets of any skeletons that might by hidden as well. Prepare for a full court press here.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Don't forget what PJ reported
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:09 ET by KC BeachRegarding the falisfied data from New Zealand. It is more than just leaked emails from Britain, it is a fraud of global proportions. I made sure everyone at our Thanksgiving dinner knew about it. Most didn't, but they all said they were going to check out the story. I lead them to, where else? Newsbusters!
They kept selling it as
Thu, 11/26/2009 - 23:50 ET by ApacheThey kept selling it as 2,400 scientists agree. When it was only 2,400 people involved in the IPCC report. This number included the bean counters and lawyers. It was really only about 50 relevant scientists and they all didn't agree. So it doesn't take a vast conspiracy to pull this off. I think it was very simple. Only involving ego, greed, tons of money, and political expediency to create the perfect storm. A select few were permitted to create this echo chamber. How easy is it to affect the opinion of hundreds of scientists if they all get their data from the same sources? Can't blame them. They assumed the cabal had high standards. Think of Michael Mann and his ilk as Richard Scrushy and the CFOs of HealthSouth during their scam. It looks like the same deal. They started out legit and then started cooking the books to keep the money coming in. Hopefully in the future, government funded science will be viewed with the same skepticism as industry funded science. Although I'm not sure what these "scientists" have done to the name of science can be repaired even to that extent anytime soon.
And yes I watched the American Greed marathon on CNBC today.
Facts don't phase fanatics and zealots...
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 01:25 ET by wnaegeleSigh!
There's problems afoot.
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 01:39 ET by pbthinkerWith the American press in Ostrich mode, there's going to be some surprises in the next few weeks. I'm sure Obama and company think they can slip this through because the legacy press isn't covering it. Their biggest problem is the British press can't afford to avoid this topic so it's going to be all over the internet. Hell the U.K. Guardian is right on this thing and they're no bastion of conservative thought.
Luckily, we all know what's going on here and we'll be able to judge just how disingenuous this group is by what they try to slip through. Hopefully, the legacy media will realize they have a responsibility to their readers, which is more than what they perceive is their responsibility to the AGW movement. Right now, we have no reason to believe they'll do the right thing but there's always hope.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
Ear Leader can sign any
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 02:44 ET by MikeBEar Leader can sign any treaty he wants to, but unless it is ratified by a super-majority of the Senate, the treaty does not become effective.
Comrade Bubba did not bother to sent the Kyoto Protocols treaty to the Senate, because he knew that it could not pass. (All of you with terminal BDS, Bush had nothing to do with Kyoto not being ratified.)
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
barack the subservient
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 04:28 ET by NotFondOfLibsAll this bowing and scraping by obama on his trips around the world has nothing to do with being polite. He is reporting to his masters in a subservient manner. This man is not the leader of the free world but a pawn in the subordination of the United States to world government. When this guy's term of office is up, we will no longer be guided by the Constitution of the United States, but a bunch of proclamations like the Kyoto Treaty and orders from the World Court to prosecute Americans in our military who are fighting terrorism. Do not be surprised if they try and put George W. Bush and Dick Cheney on trial. Don't be surprised either if the Muslim who killed 13 soldiers at Fort Hood is not charged with treason. He will probably get off a legal technicality as will the 5 terrorists brought to New York for trial by the traitor eric holder.
hmmmm
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 07:49 ET by MOONSTRUCKI wonder when all the schools are going to start telling students that GW is a falsehood? The skools where I live all showed the "inconvenient truth" to the students. Nothing at all was said of the other side of al's money making scam. nothing.
If this crap and tax makes one slight move forward from this head up a$$ administration I say let the impeachment begin.
How did this anti-American get elected??..... Makes me sad. Not to mention angry.
The sleeping giant is up, and the sleep is wiped from our eyes. Judgement day is approaching.......
Re Schoolkids
Fri, 11/27/2009 - 12:44 ET by slickwillie2001The upside there is that the kids will eventually realize that gummint schools fed them a crap sandwich, and they'll be left with a healthy sense of cynicism over the liberal message. Liberalism will be the real victim of this worldwide scam.
"Has ClimateGate Changed
Sun, 11/29/2009 - 12:15 ET by chessplayer"Has ClimateGate Changed Obama's Global Warming Strategy?" No way, no how.