ClimateGate Smoking Gun Found, American Thinker Does Media's Job

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ClimateGate Smoking Gun Found, American Thinker Does Media's Job

By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
Wed, 11/25/2009 - 12:57 ET

As NewsBusters has been reporting since the ClimateGate scandal first broke last Friday, America's media have either been shamefully ignoring the sensitive information hacked from a British university's computer system or dishonestly telling the public there's nothing to it.

If these revelations furthered the global warming myth by implicating skeptical scientists in a conspiracy to adjust temperature data while shutting out opinions contrary to their own, press outlets would likely have their science divisions poring over every e-mail and document available to find the proverbial smoking gun.

Because in this instance any such research could uncover information contrary to the agenda of most news outlets, scientific editors and reporters have abdicated their investigative responsibilities in an obvious attempt to protect policies they support and advocate.

With that in mind, the American Thinker's Marc Sheppard, clearly doing the media's job, examined the computer program source code available in what was hacked from this British Climate Research Unit (CRU), and discovered that this scandal is everything the global warming-obsessed media fear:

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One can only imagine the angst suffered daily by the co-conspirators, who knew full well that the “Documents” sub-folder of the CRU FOI2009 file contained more than enough probative program source code to unmask CRU’s phantom methodology.

In fact, there are hundreds of IDL and FORTRAN source files buried in dozens of subordinate sub-folders. And many do properly analyze and chart maximum latewood density (MXD), the growth parameter commonly utilized by CRU scientists as a temperature proxy, from raw or legitimately normalized data. Ah, but many do so much more.

Skimming through the often spaghetti-like code, the number of programs which subject the data to a mixed-bag of transformative and filtering routines is simply staggering. Granted, many of these “alterations” run from benign smoothing algorithms (e.g. omitting rogue outliers) to moderate infilling mechanisms (e.g. estimating missing station data from that of those closely surrounding). But many others fall into the precarious range between highly questionable (removing MXD data which demonstrate poor correlations with local temperature) to downright fraudulent (replacing MXD data entirely with measured data to reverse a disorderly trend-line).

In fact, workarounds for the post-1960 “divergence problem”, as described by both RealClimate and Climate Audit, can be found throughout the source code. So much so that perhaps the most ubiquitous programmer’s comment (REM) I ran across warns that the particular module “Uses ‘corrected’ MXD - but shouldn't usually plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures.”

What followed was a highly-technical analysis of the source code that likely would be way over most readers' heads. However, the conclusion was staggering:

Clamoring alarmists can and will spin this until they're dizzy. The ever-clueless mainstream media can and will ignore this until it's forced upon them as front-page news, and then most will join the alarmists on the denial merry-go-round.
But here's what's undeniable: If a divergence exists between measured temperatures and those derived from dendrochronological data after (circa) 1960 then discarding only the post-1960 figures is disingenuous to say the least. The very existence of a divergence betrays a potential serious flaw in the process by which temperatures are reconstructed from tree-ring density. If it's bogus beyond a set threshold, then any honest men of science would instinctively question its integrity prior to that boundary. And only the lowliest would apply a hack in order to produce a desired result.
And to do so without declaring as such in a footnote on every chart in every report in every study in every book in every classroom on every website that such a corrupt process is relied upon is not just a crime against science, it's a crime against mankind.
Indeed, miners of the CRU folder have unearthed dozens of email threads and supporting documents revealing much to loathe about this cadre of hucksters and their vile intentions. This veritable goldmine has given us tales ranging from evidence destruction to spitting on the Freedom of Information Act on both sides of the Atlantic. But the now irrefutable evidence that alarmists have indeed been cooking the data for at least a decade may just be the most important strike in human history.

Indeed, but this raises another question: where are America's science editors and reporters concerning this matter?

If a software designer, consultant, and business owner in his spare time can uncover this, why can't America's leading science periodicals or key "journalists" in this debate?

Is investigative journalism truly dead in this country, or is it only employed to uncover truths that either buttress the media's view of the world or undermine those that don't?

Consider that in the past two years, we have witnessed the press:

Ignore important facts about a presidential candidate in order to get him elected
Ignore or gloss over important facts about a President's appointees to get them approved by Congress
Ignore important facts about a President's "czars"
Ignore important facts about a major "community organizing" group

In the case of the latter two issues, conservative bloggers, talk show hosts, and Fox News were alone in coverage until the mainstream media eventually came aboard kicking and screaming.

Now, revelations about some of the country's leading climate scientists and activists -- who have ties to the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as the ear of the White House and leading members of Congress -- are going largely ignored or soft-soaped.

Such is transpiring weeks before a major international climate meeting in Copenhagen and as legislation that could have almost unimaginable negative consequences on the economy is being seriously considered by Congress.

Where does it all end, and when are Americans going to demand their news media stop acting as a propaganda arm for the far-leftwing of this nation?

Exit question: Will Sheppard's discovery force the global warming-obsessed press to finally start covering this growing scandal?

Readers are advised that Marc and Noel Sheppard are brothers. Image courtesy Bob Keyser.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.

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Raw Data

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:09 ET by allanf

Scientists keep raw data forever. It should be made available to any other scientist. Their reticence to provide this data speaks volumes. The unquestioning and uncurious media is shameful.

Data backup

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 22:40 ET by Ciampino

The original data is probably still around on some forgotten or archived backup tapes - I'm sure their IT staff are professionals.

I'm sure their IT staff

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 22:43 ET by Free Stinker

I'm sure their IT staff wants to keep their jobs and will detroy a backup tape if told to do so.

خال

I love how they wrote

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:12 ET by optimist

I love how they wrote spaghetti code. Another attempt at obfuscation.

Too bad warmists. After years of dealing with and fixing crap, most of today's coders can fight through spaghetti code and figure out what you were doing.

Oh, and we'll make fun of you for your poor coding habits as well.

Enemy Within

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:26 ET by Coulter Culture

Keep up the good work boys!!! These jokers are traitors to their professions! I wonder if they voted for CHANGE?

"Liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant." --- Ann Coulter (my hero)

Media's Job

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:27 ET by Franksam

We need to define the 'media's job'. I thought it was to provide knowledge. Obviously, over the last forty years or so the media's job has transformed. The job is to provide cover for a political party and an agenda.. Of course I am referring to the media often termed as being 'mainstream'.

The citizen journalists that are doing investigative work, whether at ACORN or the University of East Anglia are the new media, and are fulfilling the role that was developed by muckrakers a hundred years ago. I am thankful for their efforts. The establishment print and electronic media sold out and deserve to be replaced.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, and God Bless America.

Here is the spin being

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:30 ET by dscott

Here is the spin being offered, first Ed Begley Jr (On Cavuto, yesterday) says the debate is over only read the peer reviewed reports, the emails mean nothing (except that the only reports that were allowed to be peer reviewed were pro-AGW, so says the emails). Secondly, Carol Browner, the EPA head says the emails mean nothing, "I side with the 1000s of scientists", (except the scientists in question have committed fraud and enriched themselves on government grants to the tune of billions of dollars).

The implications are these, the government controlled by liberals will disregard any facts that are contrary to their agenda and like the lawyers they are, maintain the line of argument by claiming the matter was already decided, the process requires an orderly methodology, things must be settled otherwise anarchy and confusion will follow. This is exactly how the SCOTUS got sucked into telling the EPA they have to regulate CO2.

Nothing short of an electorial victory by Conservatives in November 2010 will stop liberals from acknowledging the full existance of this fraud. I counsel all GOP, Libertarian and Conservative Candidates get each and every opponent on tape saying they believe in AGW and run your ads starting now, not 3 months before the elections since this hoax and their supporters will attempt to pass all their legislation to prevent any repeal of it. If they pass this fraud, it will be too late to undo it, that's what they are counting on.

They are counting on the stages of grief, the final being acceptance:

Five Stages Of Grief

Denial and Isolation.
Anger.
Bargaining.
Depression.
Acceptance.

http://www.memorialhospital.org/library/general/stress-THE-3.html

We are at stage 2, the libs are trying to get us to buy into stage 3 with cap & trade, thus leading to stages 4 & 5.

The question is: Are we sheep to be shorn or are we the sheep dogs acting with vigilance?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

dscott... Yeah...good ol'

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:34 ET by bigtimer

dscott...

Yeah...good ol' Ed had quite a melt-down yesterday on Fox didn't he?

I see where Inhofe is saying this scandal will be bigger than ACORN...he's having hearings...I knew he would, so I hope we gain some power in one of the Chambers so something can really be done about this outrage.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

"I side with the 1000s of

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 18:32 ET by NL207

"I side with the 1000s of scientists"

If Carol Browner were siding wth thousands of scientsts, she'd be anti-AGW.

I'd speculate the number of AGW alarmist scientists is very small. Perhaps as few as 80. Those 80 are the source of this entire scare campaign. The few dozen scientists represented in the CRU emails are the core of this group and movement. Defrock them and this "science" collapses. These emails, data and software that were hacked are evidence of sufficient cause to do just this.

It also appears that these files were the subject of a Freedom of Informaton request [English law has one of these acts as well] and were willfully concealed by Jones of CRU. If I understand the English law correctly, CRU is criminally liable on this point.

You know NL, what really is

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 19:48 ET by dscott

You know NL, what really is sad here is that there is sufficient evidence in the public eye to debunk AGW, yet it took the exposure of these emails detailing the slimy underhanded unethical behavior to finally explode the hoax.

Here is an interesting response from a AGW believer: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/nov/25/monbiot-...

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Monbiot is about as

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 02:25 ET by NL207

Monbiot is about as intellectually dishonest as they come. He is deceiving himself if he thinks CRU is the only dishonest climate research laboratory on the planet.

This hacked data reveals that the "top clmate scientists" are in fact a tight cabal of close conspirators; their scientific opinions are not independent of one another; they are engaged in fraudulent data analysis; and they are actively engaged in political maneuvering within the scientific community to silence rather than disprove competing theories and research.

Shades of Piltdown Man,

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 09:32 ET by dscott

Shades of Piltdown Man, it's the same spinning and methodology refusing the examination of the evidence/data which allowed that hoax to go on for 40 years.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

During both the Piltdown

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 09:57 ET by danbo

During both the Piltdown hoax and AGW fraud, there were good scientist who were saying it didn't make sense, and was wrong. And in both cases the truely faithfull ignored those who disagreed.

Fortunately, the Piltdown hoax was more than anything an embarissment to anthropology, and slowed down scientific progress.

Whereas the AGWing fraud will harm and kill people. Like the the DDT over statement.

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

And now for an encore:

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 10:29 ET by dscott

And now for an encore: Another Climategate breaks out in NZ: http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/breaking-nzs-n...

Surprise, surprise the people in question are REFUSING to release the raw data.

It looks like the dam has broken on this issue, now every scientist with suspicions, inside info and doubts about AGW is coming forward. Here's the deal for you scientists who have any knowledge about scientific fraud or questionable unethical conduct, the last one to come forward will be held guilty of aiding and abetting the conspiracy. Once the government is faced with mounting evidence of widespread fraud, they will have no choice but to begin indicting those who took government grants under false pretenses - fraud. Your only hope of avoiding expensive litigation defending yourself and being swept up in politicians attempts to throw you under the bus to save themselves, is to blow the whistle NOW.

Obama threw Rev. Wright under the bus, a man whom he admired for 20 years to become president, what makes you think he won't throw you under the bus to save himself and his presidency?????? Take note of the lesson the bankers and brokers (major campaign contributors to Democrats) learned in the economic debacle, the politicians (Obama, Schumer, Frank, and Dodd) promptly threw them under the bus to save themselves.

credit goes to CT at his blog

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Hide the Decline

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:29 ET by bigtimer

Excellent work by the two Sheppard team...here's some more to add for the heck of it.

'Hide the Decline'

This parody is done to Tommy James and the Shondells 'Dragging a Line'

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

excellent

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:33 ET by newstogod

We've been scammed for sure. Impeach !!!!!!

Job threats?

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:35 ET by ThisnThat

How many scientists are being hushed because their jobs are on the line if they speak out? We already know that grants and studies are handed out only to the true believers. Does the threat of unemployment go deeper? Only time will tell.

And we need a big outcry prior to obama's trip to copenhagan. What's he trying to prove with that trip?

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"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

Excellent work Sheppard Brothers..

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:38 ET by upcountrywater

It's all about protecting their dogma. $89 Billion and counting.

Doesn't matter that a million mile wide dot far away is dimming. Sun Today

What sort of bowing will the vain one do at the Dec 9 th. climate meeting?

Obama planned to make a visit at the beginning of the climate
negotiations in Denmark, an administration official told Reuters on
Wednesday, before picking up the Nobel Peace Prize at a ceremony in
neighboring Oslo.

Not a word of this heresy shall ever be spokin again...

So when do these schmucks

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:38 ET by HockeyKid

So when do these schmucks lose their tenure, their jobs, and their reputations? That's what's supposed to happen to fake scientists, you know.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

WAIT A SECOND...

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 13:50 ET by danybhoy

Are you suggesting that there is academic fraud going on in our institutions of higher learning? Really? For political gain? Is that what you are saying HockeyKid?

If yes, & we know it's yes, do you have any real hope that many, if any of those caught up in this will ever really be held to account? I see a few getting sacked form a university gig, & being set up in some private advocacy science gig funded by someone like George Soros. Sort of in the same way that people get outed for being radicals in the Obama thug-ministration, & then find their way into the Center For American Progress.

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."

Nightwish

Meanwhile, my daughter's

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 14:22 ET by HockeyKid

Meanwhile, my daughter's having a ball in her chemistry class, 'cause the teacher just finished a section on data accuracy and scientific integrity. Makes it very difficult for Teach to defend her colleagues and continue to support the hoax.

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

More on the manipulation of data

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 17:59 ET by another_old_veteran

Have her read this article and take a copy to class.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/one-of-the-frauds-behind-the-cru

Conservatives outnumber Liberals 2 to 1 per Gallup

Noel..

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 14:07 ET by Gary Hall

Did Marc uncover anything of note in the e-mail conversations between Andrew (Andy) Revkin of the NYTimes and Michael Mann?

(;~> gary

WOW! What a feat! A special THANKS to the brothers

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 14:16 ET by Cape Conservative

Sheppard - you two surely must make your folks proud! Keep up the good work - you are giving us all hope for a better future!

I believe 'God helps those who help themselves' and it is certainly does look that way. Every day we are discovering more and more Americans rising to the occasion. This morning Gretchen interviewed a young mother who helped organize the Orlando Tea Party and has now taken on the challenge of running against the potty-mouthed Representative Alan Grayson. I have said many times that I hope these tea parties/912 rallies will inspire REGULAR AMERICANS to come to the rescue of our beloved country. Be sure to offer your support whether by making phone calls or by writing a check...and we WILL SUCCEED!

Wishing a Happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow NBers, may God continue to watch over and bless America.

CC... Right back

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 14:18 ET by bigtimer

CC...

Right back atcha!

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

The Scientific Process vs Global Warming

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 16:23 ET by Mudhen

A basic part of the "Scientific Process" is that your data is verifiable and your results reproducible. If you develop a model based on past results, what your observations are going forward should fall into or be explainable in your theory. If the results don't match the predictions, its go back and start over. That’s where were at with Global Warming. There is no reason or purpose to hide data or conceal the methods you use to reach your conclusions unless it doesn’t support your theory.

History is littered with failed scientific concepts that didn't hold up when scrutinized properly. The real problem starts when those theories are adopted by politicians or others because they can use them justify their otherwise dubious agendas. A prime example was Eugenics which was espoused as science by many in the Progressive movement and we still live with its tragic legacy today. Ask anyone who supports “Abortion rights” who started Planned Parenthood and why it was started? If they do know, they will deny Ms. Sangers role as a leading proponent of Eugenics and her goal of eliminating those she considered inferior. (A good source to read is “War Against the Weak” by Edwin Black)

Its idiots like these Climate "Scientists" that set real Science back decades. Science education in schools is so limited that the general public ends up believing the Al Gore's or Jenny McCarthy's (yes, they do belong in the same group for many reasons) of the world because "I saw it on Oprah, so it must be true" instead of doing any Critical Thinking on their own.

This is the result of the

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:19 ET by DoktorFranken

This is the result of the decades long infiltration by the Left - Our schools and universities, our news and entertainment media, our political system (mostly Democrats), and most importantly, three generations (perhaps more) of brainwashed Americans.

I visit American Thinker several times a day. It is the site that I post to Facebook from more than any other source (NewsBusters being second). The problem, for my tiny little brain at least, is that many articles about Climate Change are confusing and do not express in easy terms what the facts and issues are. This article by Marc Sheppard is excellent in that it lays out the issue in a very understandable format. Terms like ''baloney, tick-tock, fudge-factor, and gotcha'' are clear to me. He then expands on them in a way I can comprehend.

Many thanks to the ''Two Sheppards'' forbringing this out in the open. Our once ''Watchdog Press'' has been merely a Lapdog for the last couple of decades. It was supposed to be an adjunct to our freedom and liberty - assuring them through exposure of the attacks upon and enemies of our country.

The complicit press and media are now a huge part of America's #1 enemy - The Left.

Sarah Palin: The Most Dangerous Conservative In America

DO NOT QUESTION THESE SCIENTISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:37 ET by Carl Kolchak

You people had better stop investigating Climategate.

Signed

Trofim Lysenko

It's been almost that

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 17:32 ET by danbo

It's been almost that bad.

When do the gulags and firing squads begin?

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

Joker!... Joker!... and aTriple!!

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:47 ET by dbo

Is investigative journalism truly dead in this country...

What makes this latest negligence by the media particularly agregious is that at the center of this scandal is one of an investigative journalists most powerful weapons-FOI requests. Not only do we have documented evidence of the destruction of files that were subject to FOI regulations, we have reason to believe that the government offical(s) responsible for FOI sided with Phil Jones for political reasons. Politicized science. Politicized government. Politicized media. Totally disgusting.

Double Whammy

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:50 ET by dbo

Marc Sheppard also had a great column a couple days ago about the alarmists funding hypocrisy.

A world without man made climate change???

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 16:41 ET by ReaganFan

Let's face it. These scientists have nothing to gain by being objective on the issue of climate change. This area has grown so fast since the early 90s. What would all the climatologists do without some sort of crisis? Without global warming (especially AGW) the supply of climatologists would far exceed the demand. There has to be some kind of ecological disaster constantly threatening the planet and mankind. Their job security demands it.

On a semi-related note, I was watching a show on Nat Geo channel about how we have the technology to terraform Mars to someday make it Earth-like for human colonization. However, there is some debate between scientists if man should ever colonize the planet, especially if bacteria are discovered. The problem...human colonization may wipe out the "Mars native" bacteria. These are the same jackasses that are the proponents of climate change.

Wow, listen to the spinning

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 17:15 ET by dscott

Wow, listen to the spinning go on. Don't read or believe the emails! A majority of scientists believe in AGW. (Imprimatur Fallacy) It's all been taken out of context! We must pass Cap & Trade, we must sign Copenhagen!

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Encourage Senator Inhofe

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 21:25 ET by justasimplepatriot

I just sent an email to Senator Inhofe encouraging him to press hard for a full-blown investigation. NASA and GISS (of James Hansen fame) are in this up to their ears and need to be exposed as well.

Please do the same. Inhofe has been the lone voice of reason in Congress in the face of the AGW scam.

What is wrong with you people? "Since the 1997 international

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 23:24 ET by Rush Fan

accord to fight global warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated - beyond some of the grimmest of warnings made back then."

So reports Seth Borenstein, a member of one of the most renowned and prestigious organizations reporting on global warming in this country, the Associated Press.

Borenstein in an article titled Climate is 'in more trouble than we thought' goes on to write:

The world's oceans have risen by about an inch and a half.

Droughts and wildfires have turned more severe worldwide, from the U.S. West to Australia to the Sahel desert of North Africa.

Species now in trouble because of changing climate include, not just the lumbering polar bear that has become a symbol of global warming, but also fragile butterflies, colorful frogs and entire stands of North American pine forests.

Temperatures over the past 12 years are 0.4 of a degree warmer than the dozen years leading up to 1997.

Even the gloomiest climate models back in the 1990s didn't forecast results quite this bad so fast.

"The latest science is telling us we are in more trouble
than we thought," said Janos Pasztor, climate adviser to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

Folks, listen to the experts. If we can't believe the prestigious Associated Press or the United Nations then who can we believe?

Okay, enough jokes. Actually journalist James Delingpole has it correct. In an article in the UK Telegraph titled Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'? he reviews some of the hacked smoking-gun emails and writes:

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”.

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“The media is a disgrace. You have forfeited any notion that you once had of respect” ~ Rush Limbaugh

→ Rush Fan

Wed, 11/25/2009 - 23:32 ET by Cool Arrow

Are you saying I only imagined searing steaks on the sidewalk while cracking walnuts on J-Lo's buttocks today?

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool Arrow.....Your comments are making me both

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 04:21 ET by Rush Fan

hungry (searing steaks) and sexually excited (J-Lo's buttocks). And that's a good thing. So if you imagined it so did I!

Happy and safe Thanksgiving.

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If a million people believe a foolish
thing, it is still a foolish thing.

Rush Just mentioned this article, Good Work!!!

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:28 ET by upcountrywater

State controlled health care ! music video.

Yes, he did!!!

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:31 ET by Blonde

Furthermore, he sourced both Noel & Marc, Newsbusters & American Thinker.

I hope he fails, too.

upc... I heard that as

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 16:33 ET by bigtimer

upc...

I heard that as well about an hour ago, glad you mentioned that here, I was going to look for the thread after I got done with some business here....did you hear his whole show?

He was on fire...I commented on this as well his first caller 'John' on OT....let alone what Rush said when he said we don't need Obama...the msm will go nuts with that if it didn't go over their simpleton heads.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Rush still on for one more hour...

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 17:01 ET by upcountrywater

As usual, I got the Monday morning phone calls to deal with.. I hear as much as I can.

Great bunch of scientists on today.

ucw... Yeah there were,

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 17:05 ET by bigtimer

ucw...

Yeah there were, if you didn't get to catch the first hour with good ol' leftist John....see if you can get it later....I described it as best as I could in OT...it really was all priceless.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart