Wilbon: Rush Limbaugh 'Universally Reviled by African-Americans'

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On Sunday, ESPN host and sportswriter Michael Wilbon said conservative talk radio personality Rush Limbaugh is "univerally reviled by African-Americans."

As amazing as it may seem, this was at least the second time Wilbon made this statement on national television.

Unfortunately, the person he said it to Sunday -- Howard Kurtz on CNN's "Reliable Sources" -- didn't bother challenging him about just how absurd a thing this is to say (video embedded below the fold with transcript):

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HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Mike Wilbon, welcome.

MICHAEL WILBON, WASHINGTON POST/ESPN: Thank you, Howie.

KURTZ: Let me play for you something you said on "Pardon the Interruption" soon after the news broke that Rush Limbaugh was part of a team trying to buy the St. Louis Rams.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

WILBON: I don't know whether Rush Limbaugh is a straight up bigot or he simply plays one on TV and radio, but he is universally reviled by black people in this country.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

KURTZ: So, maybe a straight up bigot, universally reviled by black people. In retrospect, do you think you went a little too far?

WILBON: Universally reviled by African-Americans. That's no surprise. Anybody who wants to walk down any boulevard in predominantly African-American communities will find that out very, very quickly, Howie. No, that assessment is a very easy one to make.

Wow! Given the opportunity to soften his statement, Wilbon not only didn't, he reiterated it. 

Astounding:

KURTZ: But when you say he may be a straight up bigot, you're saying he doesn't like black folks.

WILBON: He may be. I mean, if you listen to what he says on his show -- and I stopped a long time ago, and I can't tell you specifics of what he said. Meeting him in person is one thing. I have. Communicating with him one-on-one is one thing.

His radio persona, which is all that most people have of Rush Limbaugh, particularly black people in this country, that's a different perception. And I would not back away from that comment at all.

Wow! Not back away at all.

Of course, it's not like Kurtz pressured Wilbon on this; it wouldn't have been that tough. 

For instance, Kurtz could have mentioned James Golden aka Bo Snerdley, the long-time call screener for Limbaugh's program who happens to be African-American and made quite a statement in support of Limbaugh on Friday's program.

Kurtz could also have brought up what black sportswriter Stephen A. Smith said in Limbaugh's defense last Saturday. Or what National Public Radio's Juan Williams has said about this controversy.

Kurtz could also have mentioned some of the prominent African-Americans that have been on Limbaugh's program in the past. These include Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, economist Walter Williams, and former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy.

Frankly, it would have been very easy for Kurtz to challenge this absurd comment by Wilbon, but he didn't:

KURTZ: All right. Let's talk a little bit about this alleged "slavery" comment.

Now, this was purported to have been said some years ago by Limbaugh: "Slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back, I'm just saying it had its merits."

Let me briefly run through the chronology here. This was published in a book about three years ago. It made it on to Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, and then it was picked up once the Rams story broke by Bryan Burrwell and "The St. Louis Post-Dispatch," Drew Sharp in "USA Today," CNN's Rick Sanchez, and then you mentioned it on your ESPN program.

What happened then?

WILBON: I did. I got an e-mail.

Again, I have met Rush. And while there's not necessarily a relationship there, we know how to reach each other. He reached out and said hey, didn't say this, do not believe it, don't know how this got started, although I'm trying to trace the origin of this statement. Don't believe that. It doesn't reflect what my beliefs are about slavery.

And I read the e-mail, e-mailed him back, and we had an exchange. Then I said I took him at his word.

I was not going to be able to sit down and verify everything that is said, because as you know, Howie, there's a lot out there that's said that is attributed to Rush. I have listened to his show. I've heard a lot of things. I'm not sitting there with a notebook writing them down.

KURTZ: Right.

WILBON: So, I cannot verify that he said that.

KURTZ: But in this case there's no evidence that he made this particular "slavery" comment. Do you think you should have checked before putting it on the air?

WILBON: No question. And I told Rush that. That's a journalistic no-no.

But, if I had checked and found out the information that we had basic access to every day on deadline, I might have done it anyway. Still, that's wrong and a journalistic no-no, and I said that to him.

KURTZ: All right.

Let's take a look at what Limbaugh had to say about this whole slavery business and the coverage of his now-defunct bid to be part of the Rams ownership. Let's take a look at that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: This kind of stuff, this reporting, mal-reporting, lying, repeating the lies while also saying "Limbaugh denies," repeating the made-up quotes, the blind hatred -- and believe me, the hatred that exists in this is found in the sportswriter community. It's found in the news business.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KURTZ: Does he have a point?

WILBON: He had a point in that smaller area about that quote. Let's not make it seem like Rush Limbaugh has not insulted black people on his radio show. He's done it for years and years and years.

And it's not just black people that know that, Howie. I mean, the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, knows it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have made the statements he made.

Jimmy Irsay, owner of the Colts, he knows it. Otherwise, he would not have come out and said publicly, "I would not vote for this guy."

Millions of black people know this, which is why they feel about Rush Limbaugh the way they feel. This is not arbitrary. People just didn't pick out Rush Limbaugh and said, oh, let's be mad at Rush because of nothing.

KURTZ: Right. But on this point -- on this point about the slavery, and there was also another alleged quote for which there is no evidence about saying something nice about James Earl Ray, I don't think it's enough to come back the next day and say, well, here's Rush's denial. I think if you don't have evidence to back it up, you need to retract it and apologize.

But let's talk about something that Rush Limbaugh did say famously.

WILBON: And by the way, I agree with you why I did that.

KURTZ: You did, but not everybody has done that. I just wanted to make that point.

Let's talk about something Limbaugh did say famously six years ago when he was briefly an ESPN commentator, and that was about Donovan McNabb. And he said, "I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

A lot of people pointed to that as evidence that, well, he's some kind of racist. Wasn't he really talking there about the media?

WILBON: It's his interpretation. That is not in the top 300 things that I would object to, that I would find objectionable or offensive that Rush Limbaugh has said of somebody of African-American descent. So, I mean, that was one thing that people who, in the sports context, all of a sudden were exposed to Rush Limbaugh who may not listen to his show, may not be as familiar with him, and went, wow, this seems a little off center of what we normally hear. And they held on to that.

Again, that is not probably in the top thousand things, if I can go back and chronicle the shows, that I would find offensive of his comments.

Wouldn't this have been a nice time to ask Wilbon to name some of the "thousand things" that Limbaugh has said about African-Americans that Wilbon found offensive? Wouldn't that be good journalism rather than just letting him make such a statement without having to support it?

Apparently not:

KURTZ: Right. Well, he said a number of things over the years, inflammatory things that I disagree with. But when this whole debate erupted about, you know, was he fit to be even a minority owner in the St. Louis Rams, I'm thinking the National Football League, Michael Vick gets to go in the National Football League. There are a lot of owners and players who have done things that are not exactly stuff we heed praise on.

WILBON: I would agree with you there, Howie. My take on his whole ownership bid was this: The market will determine whether or not you wind up being an owner. And if the club you're trying to get into, if its members say, no, we don't want you, you have to live with that.

Rush Limbaugh is out there every day judging, passing judgment, turning thumbs up or thumbs down on whether somebody is fit or worthy to be involved in some activity in this country. He is subject to the same rules, if you will, in that context. And in this case, the market said no, it didn't want to sell what Rush was buying. And he has to live with that, and I would defy anybody to tell me that that's not fair.

KURTZ: But to what extent -- I've got about half a minute here -- did the media uproar over this -- and it's being debated on every cable show and every sports radio show -- contribute to a climate where the NFL just felt it could not touch Rush with a 100-foot football field?

WILBON: Plenty.

KURTZ: Couldn't let him on the football field, I should say.

WILBON: Plenty, Howie, just like he helps -- remember, Rush is the media. Rush is mainstream media. So, just like any other debate, Rush and his conversation on his show contributes to that same sort of...

(CROSSTALK)

KURTZ: And he loves to stir up controversy.

WILBON: Yes, he does. That's what I'm saying. You can't all of a sudden say, wait a minute, I'm outside of controversy, when you help create it every day, and very successfully and very smartly, by the way, for those who listen to Rush's show. No, you can't then say the rules don't apply to me.

I don't think, to be fair, that Rush is saying that. In our conversation, that that was not what I sensed. So he, again, put himself out there, subject to national debate, and the debate said no, we don't want it.

Yes, but in the end, a big part of the debate included misinformation and fabricated quotes that Limbaugh never said. Is that part of the rules as far as Wilbon is concerned?

After all, this wasn't just about a high-profile, controversial figure being highly-scrutinized. This was someone who ended up being on the receiving end of a smear campaign filled with lies and half-truths. That's a completely different thing.

Unfortunately, Kurtz didn't press Wilbon on this either: 

KURTZ: Right.

Well, the St. Louis rams story is over, but the controversy very certainly is not.

Mike Wilbon, thanks very much for joining us.

WILBON: Thanks, Howie.

Yeah, thanks -- for tossing me softballs and not making me look like an idiot.

Nice job, Howie. You should be very proud of this interview. 

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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Maybe the reason Rush is

Maybe the reason Rush is "almost universally reviled by black people" is that all they know of him is what people like you, and Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton tell them about him!

 

Right. Black people a lot of

Right. Black people a lot of other things universally too.

To the degree it's true (and it's not like he says), it says more about the state of black education and culture in America than anything else.

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Which proves their

Which proves their prejudice.  They* vote 90% Democrat, and 90% of them* hate Rush and Hannity and anyone else who doesn't kiss Obama's halfrican* ass.

There is no way political persuasion could be this onesided within a particular race unless some serious brainwashing has been going on.

Hey, Bruthas* and Sistahs* - you think you're FREE now that Oblivion is de Prez?  You're slaves!  You're stuck on the mindless liberal plantation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SPdh4Nzy4

* I know this kind of rhetoric has "racial overtones" to the hypersensitive types among 'you people' - but I'm past caring about your sensibilities - you're all hypocrites in my book. 

"We hate black people, too." - Chris Rock

You know who's name I have

You know who's name I have not seen or heard mentioned in this whole debate about Rush, his inflamatory statements (as perceived by those who disagree with them -imagine that...-), the slander/ lies spread about him in an effort to influence people against him, and ultimately his ability to take part in a free-market society?

Al Franken...

Liberal logic at work:  No

Liberal logic at work:  No examples, no substantiation, just opinion being expressed and accepted as facts. 

KURTZ: But when you say he may be a straight up bigot, you're saying he doesn't like black folks.

WILBON: He may be. I mean, if you listen to what he says on his show -- and I stopped a long time ago, and I can't tell you specifics of what he said. Meeting him in person is one thing. I have. Communicating with him one-on-one is one thing.

His radio persona, which is all that most people have of Rush Limbaugh, particularly black people in this country, that's a different perception. And I would not back away from that comment at all.

Nice to have clear thinkers like this influencing public opinion, isn't it?

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

PTI

Maybe I should completely stop watching Pardon the Interruption, then.  Mr. Wilbon just showcased his intellectual bankruptcy by tossing out that blanket statement.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Wilbon

Wilbon must be able to channel Rush if he knows what he says but doesn't listen to him.

Ok, McNabb, James Earl Ray, and slavery don't make the top 300

But Wilbon can't seem to name one specific example of racism uttered by Rush.

Of course Wilbon can't name

Of course Wilbon can't name one specific example of racism uttered by Rush - he's doing nothing more than repeating what his Masters in the White House have told him to say. He's a mindless myrmidon for the Left and hasn't realized that the more he and his Lefty friends attack Rush, FoxNews, Beck and Palin, the bigger they get.

BSE, and the fact that

BSE, and the fact that Wilson can't name one specific example makes him, what -- a Reliable Source? I think not. Kurtz needs to rename his show to Biased Opinion. Like all liberals, Kurtz uses labels to try to fool the folks.

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"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

Not can’t, won’t. He

Not can’t, won’t. He got burned once using a fake quote, he won’t make that mistake again. He’ll just say “its common knowledge” or “not one of the thousand things”. Money quote for me “I mean, if you listen to what he says on his show -- and I stopped a long time ago, and I can't tell you specifics of what he said.” Not can’t won’t. “I was not going to be able to sit down and verify everything that is said, because as you know, Howie, there's a lot out there that's said that is attributed to Rush. I have listened to his show. I've heard a lot of things. I'm not sitting there with a notebook writing them down.” No, then someone might mistake you for an actual journalist. “Still, that's wrong and a journalistic no-no, and I said that to him.” Is that what we call journalistic malpractice today, a journalistic no-no?

I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. - Hunter S. Thompson

Rush has got these people

Rush has got these people tied up in knots.  Not only have they shown their biases, they're upping them to the power of ten. 

You know how liberals and democrats are always saying 'if you act all angry, you'll turn off the moderates'?

Just goes to show, even THEY aren't buying it.

This is why I love Newsbusters..

WE back up all our talk with videos. figures, audio AND FACTS.

All the rest of the the left wing blogs just call you names. Look at Beck. they're not disputing his facts...they just call him names. Just like this post..Wilbon, 'Rush is universally reviled by African-Americans' ....where's the proof? Do alot of 'African-Americans' hate Rush? I'll give you that. Have they ever LISTENED to Rush? NO, so give me that. Should they listen to Rush? YES. They will find out they are being herded like sheep to the slaughter....all for the power of the democratic party. Are we conservatives/ Republicans perfect....NO. But is the Democratic/Liberals perfect..HELL NO.

Limbaugh

They should also listen to Limbaugh's program for a more fundamental reason: to find out what the show is about.  And no, his show is not about politics. 

His show, quite simply, is about whatever Mr. Limbaugh wants it to be about. 

To wit, a Leftist college student with whom I attended classes, who hated Limbaugh with a passion, went to a cigar shop with me and a few other Rightists.  I did not know cigars then; I wouldn't smoke my first for another six months or so.  But we entered the humidor and I grabbed some, and rattled off some information about them.  The Leftist buddy was amazed.  "Where did you learn that information?"  I told him "You might be surprised."  So he rattles off some publication names, and some other items, and accused me of being a closet cigar fan.  Then I turned to him and told him that everything I knew about cigars I learned from the Rush Limbaugh radio program.  His jaw just about hit the floor.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

It would truly be a happy

It would truly be a happy day if and when Rush lays a major lawsuit on these bigots in the SRM.  How someone can spread such slanderous statements and not pay for it shows something is wrong with the media.

The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER

The fool didn't say ALMOST universally

he said UNIVERSALLY disliked.  If that is so, which it is not, how does he explain Ken Hutcherson and other blacks who call in support of Rush?    

Of course Kurtz didn't

Of course Kurtz didn't challenge Wilbon, it would be racist to do so these days.  Just ask Rush Limbaugh.

Who are the real bigots

We need to keep pointing out who the real bigots and racists are. It is the ones who continually divide us and then blame others for thier circumstance. To deny the mistreatment and institutional racism that has existed is not the issue. The issue is today. If you continually look behind for your problems you won't see the iceberg ahead. The real damage is done by those who continually look back. The real bigots are those that do not point the way forward.

 

WHAT?

Days ago or a week ago Wilbon on PTI said that Rush should be able to become a minority owner of the Rams - money willing. I find this really weird that he'd say this.

  Maybe he wants to join

 
Maybe he wants to join the stable of "go to" people when the SRM needs someone to slam conservatives.  He sees the screen time others are getting and he wants in.  Maybe, just maybe one day he might make it to "Meet the Press" if he keeps it up.

The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER

State Run Media

The SRM, is so completely LIBTARDED it's silly.

It's been that way for a full generation. 

Garbage in garbage out.

They CLAIM to care about XYZ, but they NEVER back it up with their ACTIONS.

Just imagine a WHITE

Just imagine a WHITE sportscaster saying that Mike Tyson or O.J. Simpson, both convicted criminals, were Universally Reviled.

Why are we so afraid to treat blacks equally and hold them RESPONSIBLE equally?

Gus..

then that would prove that MLKwas lying through his teeth.   All men are created equal.....

It would improve the

It would improve the analogy if you said Tyson and Simpson were universally reviled "in the white community".

But, that aside, Wilbon's use of the word "universal"--with no modifier--was clearly wrong.

Jer

→ Jer

I don't revile OJ or Tyson.

I'm still "viling" them for the first time.

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

→ But seriously, Jer

I guess what disturbs me about your observation is the possibility there exists a separate culture within America that believes the ultimate in mysoginy is acceptable behavior among its heroes.

Should we then conclude that there are, indeed, irreconcilable cultural differences?

Shall I show my sense of compromise by accepting the slashing of a wife's throat?

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Cool....That is disturbing, but my

That is disturbing, but my post had nothing to do with your observation, but, rather, was merely a suggestion to gus that his stated analogy was structurally an asymmetrical comparison.  

As far as your concerns about the beliefs of a "separate culture", there is indeed cause for alarm but the subject of the concern is most likely not the one you describe--i.e.,the ultimate in misogyny [I had to look up the spelling] or slashing the throat of one's wife--but rather the enduring mistrust and intense cynicism with regard to the bona fides of law enforcement and the fundamental fairness of the criminal justice system.

A personal view:  Never has there been a greater mountain of inculpatory evidence against a criminal defendant than that accumulated against Simpson, but it was also one of the most poorly prosecuted cases in modern judicial history.

Jer                                    

→ See your point, Jer

But you won't see white America running en masse to the defense of Phil Specter or Robert Blake, will you?

I think it's different being white.  I have the permission of my race to disagree on any issue.  There is no authority telling me what it means to think white.

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Cool...

The Simpson case was the flip side of jury nullifications which  occurred all too often in the Jim Crow south.  Both the former and the latter turned my stomach in precisely the same way.

I realize fhat's not a direct response to your comment (with which I nevertheless agree).

Jer

Hired for skin color...

Michael Wilbon is a hack writer who was hired to fill a quota.  The editors at the Washington Post have been carrying him and ghost writing for him forever.  

If he was white he would have been fired a long time ago.  The problem is that it has gone to his head. He believes he is there because he was the best qualified.  

Jack

"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart.  If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains."   Sir Winston Churchill

It's time for Rush to release the hounds...

...I meant, lawyers. 

-Dave

SUE THE BASTARDS...

 I get the impression that will happen, & I think it will get really fugly. One huge problem is that the probable defendents were recorded saying the things they said that will likely kill them is a courtroom. Among the main people I would love to see crushed in this...

Al Sharpton & the National Action Network...

Jesse Jackson & Rainbow Push...

& Rick Sanchez & CNN...

to name a few, I want anyone involved to cough up, BIGTIME.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

danybhoy,

LOL-I suspect the legal fees alone might damn near bankrupt a few of them.

I would call that a good start.  :-) 

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

In other news, the overrated

In other news, the overrated McNabb was sacked six times and held to zero touchdowns by the Raiders, as they won for the second time, 13-9.  Rush was right about McNabb, and the lefties just can't stand the truth, as always.

THE BLACK HOLE...

 A couple of things robert108...

1. That Raiders-Eagles game was a defensive battle the whole way, interesting game as well. McNabb did'nt play well, but credit the Raider defence for making him look bad as well.

2. As a side note, who has the rougher fanbase? Oakland & Philly are both places you really don't want to wear the visitors gear when at the game. Not really a good idea, but I did see some fans in Eagles gear in Oakland, hope nothing too bad happened to them.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

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*  

The funny thing is that an

The funny thing is that an obnoxious, culturally illiterate (about everything besides sports) windbag like Michael Wilbon would actually have the arrogance to think he can speak for every African-American...and that nobody questions him.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

I guess Rush's right-hand man

Bo Snerdley, who is himself African-American, didn't get the "universally reviled" memo from Wilbon.  I'm sure CNN will interview him any day now to refute this.

No, Snerdley reviles

No, Snerdley reviles Limbaugh.  Wilbon said so.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Noel forgot to list The Hutch

Here's the transcript from Ken "The Hutch" Hutcherson's call to Rush last Thursday. While both Hutcherson and Al Sharpton are reverends and black, The Hutch, unlike Sharpton, actually played in the NFL.

                   ~~save your tea, dump congress~~

Then there's.....

AJ in Houston, who is a caller to both Rush and Hannity.

 Not only that, I like PTI.  But now I'm not so sure about it.

"Unreliable Sources"

I would like to start an Abolitionist movement for the 21st century and liberate black Americans from bondage once and for all.  In the days of slavery, plantation owners kept blacks in line with whips and chains.  But the plantation owners of today (i.e. Democrats) keep them down with code words and political correctness.  "Good" blacks, like Al Sharpton and Reeeeverend JA....ckson, routinely define for us who is and who isn't a "real black person".  "Bad" blacks, like Clarence Thomas and Juan Williams, are slandered as being "house negroes" and Uncle Toms who should "go back to the porch".  And any self-respecting black who knows what's good for him won't dare violate the pack mentality of this cult of victimization.

"Uncle Tom" is the whip and "Go back to the porch!" is the chain.

Now with regard to Wilbon's claim that Rush is “universally reviled by black people”,  I am reminded of a similar claim made about Palestinians and their universal hatred of Americans.  The famous pictures of angry mobs burning American flags have always struck me as being totally unbelievable:  Can we trust their anger?  The flags are provided to them by tyrannical leaders who are threatened by the concept of "free speech".  What would happen to Palestinians who have Pro-American sentiments?  What would happen to them if they were to wave the flag respectfully?  They would disappear, never to be heard from again.

This kind of insidious assault on freedom is very similar to what is happening to black Americans.

I mean, it’s clear that black people must pass certain tests in order to be classified as “real”. They must regurgitate the politically correct line that Rush is a racist. And if they don't, they will be vilified as Uncle Toms and dismissed with deeply hurtful insults like, “go back to the porch”.

Wilbon is like that. He’s either hopelessly brainwashed or fearful of being called a traitor to his race. He must toe the Leftist racist line or face retribution. In either case, his words and opinions are rendered suspect. In short, he is an “unreliable source” which means “Howie” Kurtz might have to change the name of his show. 

African-American

How can anyone take serious claims someone is "racist" when they come from a person who is "African-American"? The term itself is racist and implies segregation which they claim to be against. These people are self proclaimed Africans first and Americans second.

How do liberals get away

How do liberals get away with pulling "facts" out of their ass?  They pile on the BS with a "matter of fact" attitude.   Rush is part of the MSM?  He's universally reviled by blacks because Wilbon says so?  Market forces and consumption were part of him being removed from the group seeking ownership of the Rams?  

 Rush has always been politically incorrect.  He's made a career of being a nonconformist when it comes to liberal social engineering and indoctrination.  Rush, Beck, and those like them have an audience because not everyone is liberal sheeple.  They feel tired of the nonsensical, drool inducing indoctrination.   They feel iron fist tightening around their skull.   They feel tired of the ideological sheep dogs biting at the ankles of free thinking individuals in order to steer them into the pen of  what is socially acceptable brain activity.  

 Wilbon's argument is ridiculous.  It's the product of the black community being indoctrinated by the agents of the leftist establishment.  They can't pin any racist remark on him.  They have labeled his political dissent as racism.  

Wow

Michael Wilbon may be a straight up racist.

I just sent this email to ESPN

I thought you guys were a sports network, not a black bigot spigot against Rush Limbaugh.

Wilbon is a racist against white people, especially Rush and his audience who happens to include me.

The NFL made their decision but your sports guy has decided to be an Uncle Tom for ESPN. Tell the guy to shut his pie hole.

WE THE PEOPLE have had enough!

→ bigot spigot

Excellent coupling!!! 

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Does anyone remember Pauline

Does anyone remember Pauline Kael being gobsmacked by the election of Nixon?  She did not understand how it could have happened since she had never spoken to a Nixon supporter.  Wilbon's statement about the feelings of ALL blacks also says more about Wilbon's prejudices and insularity than about Rush or the real world the rest of us live in.

And so what if every last black in America hated Rush?  The main call for action I would see in that is the need to help the haters get constructively past their hate.

This is a perfect example

This is a perfect example of something that's been a topic on NRO recently. Politics entering places it doesn't belong.

I used to like Wilbon. Now he's starting to be universally reviled by me.

→ reisch

Wilbon has no right to speak for all black people. 

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Those who listen, don't revile him.

Newspapers and TV have successfully created a big lie and kept it alive - that Limbaugh spouts racism for 3 hours every day.

People who listen to his program know that he is not full of racism. Pomposity and strong opinions, but not racism.

 

If Wilbon and his fellow

If Wilbon and his fellow kind hate racism so much, then why do they practice it so well?

They just got done with their lynching of Rush, and their still not satisfied. 

I think its irrelevent

I think its pretty much irrelevant if Rush employs an African-American (James Golden) if such a large percentage of African-Americans consider his satire derisive of blacks. That's like defending the "Amos and Andy" show because it employed black actors.

There's a long list of a racially insensitive remarks in Rush's past that can be sourced. Why doesn't NB start a feature and go through them one by one?

            Ok.

            Ok. let's do that. But, let's start with our congressmen, senators, so-called reverends, & the president.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

"Amos and Andy"

wow nwahs.  just wow. 

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→ nwahs

Thank you for condemning the stereotypes portrayed in much of Tyler Perry's movies, but I'll still enjoy them.

Can you honestly say "Amos & Andy" was objectionable to all blacks in the '50's?

You think "The Jeffersons" wasn't stereotypical?

Are you judging from personal viewership of "Amos & Andy", or are you toeing the party line through an elitist filter?

And I know you're not talking about the radio show, or you'd know that was two white dudes, something I'd disagree with also.

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Why did you disagree with

Why did you disagree with it?  They had the appropriate vocal inflection, idiom and lingo generally associated with a couple of black guys of that era, and I'm sure they needed the work.  It was a wildly popular show and made money for the network.  Plus, it's not as if the radio audience could see them, so the "illusion" wasn't destroyed.  So what's the problem?

Jer

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OK, I'll agree with you that it's perfectly acceptable to cast white people in black roles. 

Nope, on second thought, I won't agree with your argument.

It's all you, buddy.

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

Cool...

I don't agree with it either.  Just wondered why you didn't.  So you objected at the time to Natalie Wood being cast as Maria in West Side Story since she wasn't Latino?  Or maybe even Meryl Streep in Cry Wolf because she wasn't Aussie?

Jer

→ Don't know Jer

We didn't get to watch movies when I was a kid.  Are you suggesting Natalie Wood drowned because she portrayed a black woman?  Oh, I get it.  Swimming and all that.

But I didn't have a problem with "A dang-go ate mah baybay" 

Give me immortality, or give me death - firesign

No, Cool...

No, Cool...

I'm suggesting she drowned because she married Robert Wagner who is gay and was thus punished by God.  That was your point, I presume.

Jer

Evidence?

"There's a long list of a racially insensitive remarks in Rush's past that can be sourced." That's an assertion you need to document, not for NewsBusters to refute. If I said to you, nwahs, that you made a lot of false statements on this website, you'd be well within your rights to demand that I produce an example. The same applies to you. That's your assertion, so you have the burden to produce the evidence.

Now, before you do that, let's adopt a rule from legal courtrooms. Evidence is also disputable. If you say that X quote proves racism, I might disagree that X says any such thing.

You see, that's at the heart of the discussion. What counts as racially insensitive? I've worked with plenty of black colleagues. On occasion, those coworkers have made some reference to my being white and Irish. Being a thick-headed mick, and knowing my black friends meant nothing insulting by them, I never took those comments as insults. But in today's culture, made super-sensitive by the race mongers like Sharpton and Jackson, the mere mention or acknowledgment of being black is taken as a racial offense.

  • And, I'll argue, that's why Limbaugh is portrayed the way he is. Limbaugh freely makes references to race. He doesn't think they're disparaging references. But the Sharpton types promote the idea that any references to race, specifically by a white man, are always insulting.
  • And when you couple that with the fact that Rush savagely opposes liberals and denigrates them all the time, the race baiters (deliberately I think) conflate the two.

So, if you offer examples of Rush's racially insensitive remarks, know ahead of time that I'd reject any examples unless they show that Rush is specifically insulting minorities. If he's only disparaging their politics, I'll object to the quotes as evidence.

Sorry about that

I neglected to post the link

http://mediamatters....

The ones that bother me the most are:

Limbaugh calling Halle Berry a "halfrican" American.

The Magic Negro parody song that claims to parody a news column.

http://www.fair.org/...

Using the Jefferson's "Moving On UP" theme song as a backdrop to black politicians and officials.

http://www.jackandji...

Ebonics translations.

These four without a doubt, focus on race and not politics.

But there's a long list at the Media Matters link provided, and if you like we can go through them one by one ( e.g., the one where Rush calls Native Americans "Injuns" I never personally heard it so its not on my list). Perhaps it would be best to start a forum topic on it?

 

→ Whatever

Halle Berry & company made a splash about her being the first black actress to win an Oscar.

Never mind that it wasn't true, it's just that Hollywood wanted to dim the memory of another black actress.

You missed the message.

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for those

who would rather not give MediaMatters traffic

Halle Berry (MRC / NB) / Halfrican
Magic Negro (a compilation)
Jeffersons
Ebonics

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kata...

You're rather adeprt at this.  I'm impressed.  Do you have an alternative for my not having to wade through the offensive sludge at the American Thinker to answer their allegations abourt far-left radicals in the Obama administration?

Jer

Sensitivity shields

Do we need a forum on this? I'm not sure. If someone wants to start one, I'll join.

  • I'll begin by saying that many Native Americans don't like being called Injuns. On the other hand, the chief lobbying arm for native Americans calls itself the AIM: American Indian Movement. If that's what they call themselves, it's hard to drum up a lot of indignation about it. But if native Americans deny that, I'm willing to take this as evidence for your point.
  • Half-rican is a play on syllables. Trying to argue that it's an offense to people of half-blood ancestry (and therefore racist) just doesn't fly. If that were true, you'd have to argue that Rush was equally trying to insult Halle Berry. Hard to make that point.
  • The "Movin' on up" theme, and the Ebonics thing, are both examples of Rush parodying politicians precisely because they exploit their race. In other words, if you want to "act" black so you can make points with black voters, you deserve to be parodied for exploiting race. If you behave one way in a "white" corporate boardroom, but when you're among blacks you suddenly become Superfly, you're a fraud.
  • The Magic Negro thing is well documented. We can battle it out in a forum if you want, but I don't accept that as evidence of racism. That was overtly political.

Let me be clear here. What's really going with Rush and accusations of racism? There's an assumption out there, promoted in the media, that only minorities can discuss race. White people are forbidden to talk about race, or criticize minorities for playing race cards. But then, liberals launch political attacks from behind that shield of racism.

(And here's the payoff:) Liberals use race to silence opposition. We can't let them. Rush refuses to be silenced by that taboo, and that's why they attack him on the grounds of race. It's the same reason Ann Coulter rebels against political speeches by "victims." Liberals use those rhetorical shields to make political attacks. They hide behind our sensitivities. Liberals want to make attacks without rebuttal, and that's why they whine about Rush's "insensitivity."

It isn't racial. It's all political.

KC you are 100% correct,

KC you are 100% correct, and that's why they call it projection!! One of the left's greatest skills.

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

If Native Americans don't

If Native Americans don't like being called "Injuns," why call them "Injuns?"  I suspect many object to it because its a term of old cowboy movies, where Native Americans are cast as dishonest savages - an object to be shot. I'm not an American Indian, but I wouldn't purposely try to offend people I don't even know because they are a different race than I am.

That "halfrican" is a play on syllables is irrelevant. Racism and bigotry use all sorts of devices, so whether its a cartoon, a song, a movie, a play on words or a play on syllables is irrelevant. Rush used this in the context that Halle Berry came out in support of Obama. To resort to remarks about their common biracial characteristic is the very definition of racism. He could have lumped them with ideas, elitism, or even Hollywood. Rush chose to make race their singular commonality, which is racism. Its as racist as proclaiming Powell's reason for supporting Obama is because Obama is black. It intimates these two don't see ideas, but race. That may or may not be true, but assuming it is because of the racial makeup of a person is racist.

Rush played the "Movin' On Up" theme song at the appointment of Burris by then Gov. Blagojevich.In what context did he exploit his race to get that appointment? What is the criteria to objectively state someone is exploiting their race? Does exploiting their race mean playing victim? Define what you mean and how the theme song about stereotypical "rich" black people created by a white writer, applies to black politicians exploiting race.

The Magic Negro had nothing to do with politics and defy you to quote one line that mentions a political policy. So accept it or not, the lyrics are not about politics but the interaction between Obama and civil rights figures. The racism occurs because it completely ignores the LA Times article and gleans only the term "The Magic Negro" from it. The song then goes off on its own course to introduce stereotypes of well spoken African-Americans bickering with stereotypes of African-Americans using double negatives and dropping verbs. Its a battle of black stereotypes, not a parody of the column.

Whats going on with Rush and racism depends if you're in the GOP or a Democrat. IMO, Rush is like the friend you give a lift to, and they throw a wad of trash out of your car window. I'll give you a ride ( or vice versa)  but I'm not going to accept throwing trash. Other people might ignore it, and others might think its alright. I'm the 25% thats going to tell him to pick it up, friends or not. That makes me a FINO ( friend in name only) I guess.

White people aren't forbidden to talk about race. Blacks and whites should be called on being derisive of others because of their race. If you assume a  person is supporting another person simply because of race, you damn well better support it with evidence and not assumption. Assuming that is racism, and derisive of those you're making the assumptions about.

I'm calling Rush out on racism because I see first hand how it paralyzes government. I live in a city full of racists and a lot of them happen to be black, but believe me they're on both sides. We have a white judge in Louisiana that won't marry interracial couples. I think race relations have been an utter failure, at least in my part of the country. The only way to get past that is to have frank discussions about our similarities and differences. There's absolutely no room for snide remarks in that discussion.

Oh and one last thing. Ann Coulter is a very intelligent, very witty commentator. I have never heard her resort to racial humor. She eviscerates people on ideas.

I suggested a forum as this blog is scrolling away. But looking at your post and my post, I now see we are worlds apart on Rush's satire and probably can't even agree as to what is relevant and what isn't.

Worlds apart

This whole topic came up because the standard race baiters flooded the airwaves with accusations and assumptions about racism, and only because Rush Limbaugh was seeking an NFL bid for ownership. They were out to destroy Rush, simply because they treated him as The Enemy. They played the race card, with the active and willing participation of the media. They used quotes that turned out to be false, but the media reported them without investigation or scrutiny.

That was not justice. When asked to defend their tactics, they waved it off as "he's a racist, so all's fair."

We could fisk the various arguments, but let me get to the one I'm most interested in: Do you believe that Democrats ( ever / sometimes / constantly ) use race as a shield in their politics? Note that I'm not asking anything about blacks or minorities. I'm asking whether you think Democrats exploit race for political purposes?

I think they do. Constantly.

  • Burris was a classic example. From an editorial of the time: "First, there was the Dec. 30 news conference in which the soon-to-be-ex-governor introduced Burris. At that strange event, both men were upstaged by Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.), who played the race card, exhorting Democrats not to "hang and lynch" an appointee who would be the only black senator."
  • But it happens more generally. If you were "proud" to vote for Obama because he was the first successful black presidential candidate, that's a reference to his race. If you used his race in his favor, than you have no more justification than the guy who uses race against him.
  • The whole point of the Magic Negro column was that a black politician was running against the stereotype of a black man as portrayed (and therefore controlled) by "authentic" blacks like Sharpton. That was the same point as the original article. It wasn't that Obama was simply a cultural figure; he was running for office on that persona. Rush's parody was on Sharpton, making fun of the fact that Obama's campaign had left the old race mongers out in the cold.

The race game played against Limbaugh isn't just a matter of political perspective. It was injustice, plain.

The race game played

The race game played against Limbaugh isn't just a matter of political perspective. It was injustice, plain.

It's a game that Limbaugh has encouraged, bringing his own deck of cards to the table.  The folly and the injustice--even the ultimate irony--stem from the "beat Rush" mania of overzealous opponents pulling bogus Aces from their sleeves, when they could have won merely by playing the hand Limbaugh dealt them.

Jer

Playing the game

Well, let's put this into perspective. Tell me something.

If you heard that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton wanted to invest in a baseball team, do you think the media would join conservatives in sabotaging their bid? Even though I have zero respect for those two, it would not even occur to me to campaign against them if they wanted to make an investment. That's their private business, and none of mine. It wouldn't even occur to me.

That's what these guys did to Limbaugh.

Look, to me, Limbaugh isn't the story. It's what they did to him that matters. It was wrong, just plain wrong.

If you heard that Jesse

If you heard that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton wanted to invest in a baseball team, do you think the media would join conservatives in sabotaging their bid?

Doubtful.  There has been a palpable double standard in the media regarding race for several decades now.  It's deplorable.  I have deplored it in the past.  I'll continue to deplore it. 

For what it's worth, in contrast to the NFL African-Americans are only a small fraction of the overall racial compostion of MLB.  If white players strongly objected, it might impact the prospects of a Jackson-Sharpton equity interest in the sport, but it is highly unlikely such objections would find significant support in the MSM.

I thought Rush should have received fair(er) consideration from the commissioner regarding his ownership bid.  But I can understand the negative sentiments of black players toward Limbaugh and they make up [is it?] 70% of the league.  It's just unfortunate that reckless journalism poisoned the atmosphere and prevented a legitmate airing of concerns.

Jer  

Media double standards

I think you're right about the double standard in the media. The reason I think it exists is the fact that African-Americans have a relatively short history of political power and social conscious journalists feel its their duty to help them catch up. I don't think its as simplistic as the "white guilt" many on the right would have you believe. That said, I think its a flawed strategy to think you can achieve a color blind society without being color blind. I'm against quotas and double standards as I believe they undermine the ultimate goal.

Decades ago in the south, there needed to be laws to give African-Americans a fair shot to participate in the American dream. Socially, they were shut out. But we have to admit that these laws were only temporary fixes and have no permanent place in a color blind society. We've got to work toward phasing them out, and not to weaken people, but to strengthen them.

Democrats and the race card

First of all, I've never seen Democrats use race as a shield in politics.

Just kidding ( wanted to see how many brain aneurysms I could pop with one sentence). I absolutely believe Democrats have adopted the politics of race. I live an a black city and have seen first hand the politics of race for the last 30 years. We had an incident, where a white city council member ( Stacey Head) was questioning whether or not African-American owned waste disposal companies were honoring their garbage contacts, and it got obfuscated into a race issue. It was a classic example of playing the race card. In another example, a black state representative accused federal agents of racial bias in going after black officials ( he made that accusation a couple of months before pleading guilty to corruption charges). I think it was on full display in the Democratic primaries. I have never contended otherwise. Democrats race bait as a matter of fact.

None of that excuses Rush Limbaugh's snide remarks regarding race. What Rush's remarks do is make it impossible for a conservative to decry that blatant use of race bating and appear anything but a hypocrite. Limbaugh is not some comedy act. He's adopted the role of conservatism's most vocal leader. We're in the same car and he's throwing trash out of the window. We're suppose to stare dumbly ahead saying "I didn't see anything..." Conservatism is a fine set of principles and Rush espouses them well. Unfortunately, he espouses frat boy humor, ridiculing peoples outward appearances as well.I don't think the GOP should accept the loutish side of Limbaugh, and I think he's bit of a rat for forcing them to.

You almost popped one in my

You almost popped one in my brain, and I'm a Democrat.  I was going to say, about the only time they haven't used it as a "shield" is when they were using it as a "sword".  But then I read on to your second paragraph.

Jer

Politics of race

The only way to end race baiting is to condemn it no matter who does it. I don't care if its Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh, or Bill Cunnigham, its wrong. You can't have an honest discussion about race and knife people in the back with snide remarks about race. Now where its true I find the left practices the politics of race more than the right, I find the right has their own little addiction- the politics of religion and patriotism. IMO, the way the press goes after a "family values" candidate when they get caught up is some sex scandal is very much like the way the right goes after the race hustlers when they reveal their bigotries. I find the politics of religion ( and/or patriotism) no less insidious than the politics of race.

Oh look goys and birls. NB's 2 biggest trolls.

  Playing the let's agree with each other and pat each others back game. 

  Wazza matter guys? You done run out of people to torque? You now have to stand around, smoke, coke, and wait for new victims to annoy? 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

ahem

Anne "The Little Injun that Could" Coulter?  I like Coulter and have actually paid more attention to Coulter's books because she addresses subjects I am interested in.  She's about as devisive as Rush Limbaugh.  Just in different arenas.  Ask any single liberal single mom.

If you listen to "real"

If you listen to "real" African-Americans, Stephen A. Smith, Clarence Thomas, and Juan Williams are not "real" African-Americans. Just ask whats-his-face that told Williams to go back to the porch. 

There we go again! Another

There we go again! Another "black voice" presuming to speak for all black people.

Well Wilbon-the-sportcaster, if your universe consist of blacks that "universally revile" Rush Limbaugh, my universe consist of blacks ( like Snerdley, Dr Walter Williams, Hutch, Justice Thomas etc) that love, respect, and thank him for the excellent work he do. And oh yeah...we also thank God we do not reside in your universe.

uh....duh....yep dats right!

Go ahead, tell the sheeples what to think and say, they will repeat it like  good little "bobbing heads"!!   Anyone ever going to think for themselves and not repeat what the idiot liberal nazi's say?

Sheeples; "boobing heads"

Sheeples; "boobing heads" and nazis? Don't know where the hell you're going with this so I am getting of this train. Bye!

           More

           More lies to the people. Rush has NEVER said a racist remark. Yes, he is arrogant. Yes he doesn't hold back. He lost his bid for the Rams BECAUSE of the lies from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and the so-called media. They were trying to destroy the man's life & career. No one apologized till after he was cut. They continue to try with this bull. Watch how they go after Beck. They are trying to destroy his life, too.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

The emperor has no clothes

When the people in the crowd tried to justify their descriptions of the naked emperor, they each tried to outdo the other in their exaggerations. In the same way here, Wilbon claims "That is not in the top 300 things that I would object to ..." then "Again, that is not probably in the top thousand things." They're rhetorically trying to substitute a huge quantity of nonexistent proof for one small quality of actual proof.

Now remember, we didn't catch Wilbon on his way to the supermarket. He knew he was going to be interviewed. As a journalist, wouldn't he expect to be asked about this?

So don't you think it's his journalistic responsibility to come up with at least one real example of Limbaugh's racism?

Instead, he falls back on this: "Again, that is not probably in the top thousand things, if I can go back and chronicle the shows, that I would find offensive of his comments."

IF HE CAN GO BACK? He knew he was going to be interviewed. Why didn't he go find one?

And that's the amazing (and infuriating) thing about these discussions about Limbaugh. These are JOURNALISTS! These people are supposed to document their opinions and reports. And yet ... and yet ... NOT ONE of these idiots ever bring proof. They're certain they're correct, but none of them ever bring the evidence. They just rely on the assumption that there is evidence.

They're relying entirely on their assumptions. And these bastards want to be given legal immunity for their reporting?

Hi KC

I agree with pretty much everything except I'd like to add that what else is infuriating is that these people are not just self-appointed spokespeople, they are left wing media hand-picked.  And that anyone who isn't handpicked by the left gets backhanded and told to 'go back to the porch' and labeled as Uncle Toms.  Please also note that this is the same author and website that published the "10 most racist quotes by Rush" including the two that are most in question.   It's been referenced by the left wing media both on television and radio.

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Agreed

Hand-picked is right. How else could those people on MSNBC get a job holding clipboards behind the camera, never mind spouting nonsense in front of a camera?

The real bastards aren't the clowns on air, but the editors, producers, and owners. That's where the real liars lie.

KC...

Wilbon's statisical hyperbole ranking the McNabb remarks on the racial insensitivity scale seemed pretty strange to me.  I would have included it in my personal top ten list.  I bet McNabb would list it at #1.  I know he was extremely insulted by it, although he tried to downplay it at the time.

BTW...your deconstruction of McNabb's performance records in another post--focusing on his lack of passing accuracy--ignored other important areas, most notably his rushing yardage which has been consistently among the league's best.   It was well over 400 yards in the season prior to Limbaugh's disparaging comments, and that was accomplished in only 10 games.

Jer

→ Yeah, Jer

That's what you want from a QB.  Running skills.

That's what wins you Super Bowls.  Well, by gum, that's what's gonna' win you Super Bowls, anyway.

RIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

Notice what you did?  You just opined "Well, Donovan, for a Quarterback, you sure run good"

That's exactly what a black QB wants to hear, dont you think?

I think any quarterback

I think any quarterback would be proud to hear that.  I don't believe I accused McNabb of being a lousy passer, did I?  Montana, Favre and Tarkenton were all good scrambler/runners also.  They had fairly impressive records and were considered excellent quarterbacks.  I'm not putting McNabb in their class by any means.  But I don't agree with the no-good-from-the-get-go, he's-only-praised-because he's-black and the "league and media want him to succeed" slam by Limbaugh.

Jer

Jer

Well, remember you're talking to a die-hard Eagles fan. And if you happen to cross by it, you may read another post where I argue that for a quarterback, running means very little. His running doesn't balance out his lack of accuracy.

My argument about McNabb has never been that he stinks. He's a good quarterback, and from what I read, he's a likable guy in person. The problem is that when he's healthy, Andy Reid makes him into the sole focus of the offense. He forces McNabb to be superman. McNabb's good, but he's not superman. He isn't accurate enough. When McNabb isn't in there, the Eagles return to a sensible balance. They play solid offensive football. Hell, Jeff Garcia took them to the playoffs two years ago without McNabb. I loved that balance, and for the life of me, I can't understand why the Eagles don't stick with it. (Note: they ran five ... 5! ... running plays in the second half yesterday. They lost.) But if you read sports columns, or watch on ESPN, it's all about McNabb.

PS: This is definitely a bar conversation. LOL! A beer for my friend Jer, here, and drinks all around ...

KC...

But the question is do you believe it was fair of Rush to pointedly single out McNabb as being "no good from the get-go" and in essence suggest he was an affirmative action quarterback because he was black.

I'll buy the beer, but you'll have to drink it all.  And maybe if you drink enough, I'll be able to persuade you.  ;-)

Jer

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I'm assuming you have a link to Rush's quote that McNabb was "no good from the get-go"

I'm not saying you're one of those guys who'll run with a wiki quote, mind you.

I believe you have the source, I just want to read it in context.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool...

Here's the actual video clip of Rush's statement, Cool.  Rush said "I don't believe McNabb was 'that' good from the get-go."  So I should have said "that" instead of "no".  My apologies.  My opinion is unchanged.

Jer

Jer, Two things to

Jer,

Two things to consider: 1) The context of the term "get-go".  Was "get-go" in reference to the beginning of McNabb's career, the beginning of the season, the beginning of a particular game?  If I remember correctly, the larger point he was trying to make was that McNabb was getting all the credit for the way the team had played, when in reality it was the defense that was deserving of the lion's share of the praise.  Certainly, it would suit the objectives of the anti-Limbaugh viewers for the phrase to have been directly related to McNabb's entire career as opposed to that season or a particular game...but I don't think that was the case in this segment.  Otherwise, I believe the media would have seized on that segment of the quote and played it ad nauseum.  Interpreted the wrong way, that part of the quote could have been employed to suggest an inherent prejudice he might have had against McNabb from the beginning.  As the media never exploited that point, I can only conclude there was no point to exploit. 2) Even if Limbaugh was expressing an opinion that McNabb wasn't that good from "the get-go" ("get-go" meaning the moment he was drafted), so what?  He was paid to express his opinions and he thought McNabb was overrated...and that the praise McNabb received was out-of-proportion with what he actually produced.  In my view, that's a very reasonable position to take, and one that I believe has proven accurate in footballing terms over time.

As I saw it, he was underrated when he was drafted.  Then, he produced to shut the boo-boys up.  Then, the sports media bent over backwards to promote him...and he became overrated because he wasn't nearly as good as the flattering coverage he was receiving.  Now it's gotten to the point where all objectivity has gone out the window.  He is now vastly overrated, thanks to the largely sycophantic media coverage he has received.  In a sense, the media has proven Limbaugh's original point while trying to deny the legitimacy of his original point.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

fitz...

Only Rush can say for sure what he meant by "not that good from the get-go", but my reaction when reading the transcript six years ago was that it was his opinion of McNabb's quarterback skills level--and potential--at and from the time he was drafted.  Frankly, I had never considered he was limiting his opinion to the then current season, and, as such, was a major factor shaping my objection to his remarks--especially since it was coupled with an insertion of a racial component about "social concern" being at play on the part of the league and the media that a black quarterback perform well.  Again, in my view, that was just a shorthand method of saying "McNabb's really not that talented, and the fact he is even starting is an example of a form of affirmative action being promoted by the media and the NFL, and practiced by the Eagles."

If this had been twenty years ago, the notion may have had some currency.  But black quarterbacks had long since proved the original critics wrong.  I read recently, and mentioned the other day, that something like ten black quarterbacks had started at least one game for different NFL teams in that season alone at the time of Limbaugh's remarks.  

Admittedly, I wasn't familiar with the history of media treatment received by McNabb, and if I had been, it may have altered by reaction to Rush's statement.  But, at the time, I was stunned by the comment, and I still believe it to have been unwise, insensitive and inappropriate.  McNabb may have shown little sign of being the next Montana, and his passing accuracy problem was a legitimate cause for concern--though a lack of outstanding receivers and the fact that he was forced to make a lot of throws while scrambling could have negatively impacted that statistic--but I thought he had demonstrated sufficient, if not spectacular, abilities to have rendered Limbaugh criticisms highly suspect, both practically and politically. 

Jer

 

But, Jer, if you read back

But, Jer, if you read back your own statement, I think you'll see it's loaded with qualifications about McNabb's actual ability.  In the '90s, professional scouts were getting hammered by the ESPN types for the narrow specifications they used in selecting the prototype QB...and they weren't just deemed "racist", but "heightist" and "in-the-box".  Typically, personnel directors sought out the 6'5" pocket passer who could "run the offense"...because the team objectives (i.e., winning) were seen to be better met by having a big guy with a strong arm who could pass accurately, stand in the pocket, wait for an open receiver, absorb a big hit and hit the target.  The Manning brothers, Drew Bledsoe, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf and Congressman Heath Shuler come to mind (obviously some were more successful than others, but that's the gamble you take...and a GM's job is to minimize risk and maximize reward...playing the percentages is usually the way they go).  Not only did that "pro-style" template render the talents of people like Donavan McNabb surplus to requirements, it forced talented QBs like Doug Flutie and Warren Moon to seek employment in Canada (both managed to prove themselves on the Canadian stage and earned themselves starting jobs on NFL squads...and Moon had a fantastic NFL career). 

But in the politically correct late '90s, selecting a quarterback merely on the suitability of his talents relative to the team's needs became a political issue.  It was no longer acceptable for a team to draft a black player who had played quarterback in college if the purpose of drafting him was to convert his position into one that was more suitable for his talents...this was "racist" because it "implied" that African-Americans were not smart enough to grasp the job responsibilities of an NFL QB...even if an individual was not smart enough.  All of a sudden, you had "Civil Rights Leaders" suggesting that teams were effectively denying the Antoine Randle Els of the world economic opportunities by drafting them to be wide receivers or defensive backs instead of quarterbacks.

With the shelf lives that coaching/scouting staffs have, they are not afforded the opportunity to fail in drafting their most important players.  But Donavan McNabb had been a good (not legendary) quarterback at Syracuse, and was drafted much higher than he was projected to be.  This drew a lot of attention, not just because the Philly fans booed the selection (they were hoping for some other player...I think in another position), but because McNabb was handed the responsibility of representing the African-American QB...a responsibility he didn't ask for, but was granted by a "socially-conscious", self-important sports media.  By the time Limbaugh's now infamous quote was taken, McNabb had been the starting quarterback for the Eagles for some time.  It appeared to me at the time that the media was bending over backwards to accentuate McNabb's positives and play down his negatives, to the point of misappropriating credit from and blame to his teammates.  In that light, he was (and remains) overrated...this is exactly what Limbaugh was saying at the time, and he was right. 

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

99 draft

The year McNabb was drafted, Philly was throwing an absolute fit because they did not draft Ricky Williams, the big-time RB pick of the year.  New Orleans wound up picking him.   

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Jer:At the conclusion of

Jer:

At the conclusion of watching your link I was presented with a link to a more complete video of this discussion that leaves the viewer with a potentially much different impression of the event.

From this link, which also has the following transcript fom the end of the video:

TOM JACKSON: So Rush, once you make that investment though once you make that investment in him, that's a done deal.

RUSH: I'm saying it's a good investment. Don't misunderstand. I just don't think he's as good as everybody says he has been.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

STEVE YOUNG: Well, he (McNabb) certainly hasn't matured.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

END TRANSCRIPT

Boxing has had various iterations of the "Great White Hope" for which I can't recall anyone being fired over.  Is it not possible the Media was culpable of "Great Hoping" McNabb at that point in his career due to "social concerns" as Limbaugh says?

Given the severe case of "reach arounds" the Media has with Obama today, is it not possible the Media was pointedly then biased/boosterish/color-focused as they are so overwhelmingly today? 

 

Fitzfong:

You are correct about what Rush said about the play of the defensive side of the team.  That's in the video and transcript I linked.

Boxing has had various

Boxing has had various iterations of the "Great White Hope" for which I can't recall anyone being fired over.  Is it not possible the Media was culpable of "Great Hoping" McNabb at that point in his career due to "social concerns" as Limbaugh says?

The original iteration in the early 20th century was a deliberate, racist phenomenon implemented and perpetuated without fear of serious repercussions because it was reflective of pervasive social attitudes which not only tolerated the Great White Hop[ing] but actively encouraged it.  On the other hand, its more recent iterations have merely been benign parodies of the original theme.  Otherwise, there would have been very public sacrifices at the unforgiving altar of political correctness.

I'll refer you to my response to fitz above regarding media "Hoping" due to social concerns.  It's certainly a posibility, but it would have been a much more credible and sustainable argument twenty years ago.

 

Given the severe case of "reach arounds" the Media has with Obama today, is it not possible the Media was pointedly then biased/boosterish/color-focused as they are so overwhelmingly today?

Timing and topic.  Black quarterbacks playhing and succeeding in the NFL is old hat.  A black president of the United States is new hat.

 

Fitzfong:

You are correct about what Rush said about the play of the defensive side of the team.

Not sure how this either moderates Rush's criticisms of McNabb or validates them.

Finally, the fact that his fellow commentators to varying degrees concurred with Rush can be attributed to their initial failure to grasp the full import of Limbaugh comments [I believe both Jackson and Irvin admitted as much], coupled with their desire not to jump down the throat of the "new guy" on the team.  In other words, they wanted Rush to look good and were engaging in a little "social concern" of their own on his behalf hoping he would, and helping him to, succeed. ;-)

Jer

 

Watch the words

Rush said that McNabb has not been that good. Here's a revealing quote, spoken just minutes after: "I just don't think he's as good as everyone has said he has been." Rush is comparing McNabb to what people are saying, and we know that at the time, people were saying that McNabb was better than he was showing. That's a comparative statement about his value. But you're saying that Rush claimed he wasn't any good, therefore he must have been an affirmative-action quarterback. Nah. Rush didn't say he wasn't any good. That's a static statement about his value. You're construing Rush's statement as static, when it was really comparative.

Because Rush never said he wasn't any good, I argue that it's unfair to infer that Rush thinks McNabb was an affirmative action quarterback. Rush himself said that McNabb was a good investment.

One side point. I had forgotten this because it was years ago, but notice what Steve Young said. He said that McNabb makes some of the most spectacular plays, but that doesn't win championships. What wins championships is for the quarterback to run the offense. (Remember, this is Steve Young, the quintessential running quarterback.) That's exactly my view. McNabb can be spectacular, but when it comes to running the offense, he's not a superstar.

Really, Mike? Care to have

Really, Mike? Care to have some proof for that blanket comment you just said? Or is it simply easier than researching and reporting the facts. You're getting paid to be a sports ANALYST, not a sports comment blurter. If I want unsubstantiated claims I'll go to a comments section of a sports column.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

So Wilbon says black people

So Wilbon says black people hate Rush Limbaugh.  If someone made such a comment, they would be rightly recognized as a racist.  For example:

- All black people eat watermelon, fried chicken and collard greens.
- All black men can jump.
- All black people can't swim.
- All black people are dumb.

Ironic, ain't it, Wilbon?  I don't know about anything universally, but I do know that you, Michael Wilbon, "sports analyst" are individually and monumentally stupid.

 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

Pardon The Interruption But.....

Wilbon's an ignorant Racist whom I didn't care for to begin with but most Definitely will not watch or read in the future! Racists? I HATE Racists!  

 

 

Pssssst <whispers> Emperor Barry isn't wearing any clothes!

Wilbon, I am crushed. Seriously.

You're a good writer, an insightful guy when it comes to sports, and entertaining on PTI.

What a devastating development, discovering in recent days that you're a not a tenth as intelligent as you have made yourself appear to be.  

I always prefer discussing issues rather than individuals, but Michael, you've made yourself an issue.  Unlike your sports commentary, you're specifics-free in your attempted character assassination of Rush Limbaugh.  And your declaration that African-Americans are a monolithic bloc--all sharing the same opinion, all moving as one--is something that, had Mr. Limbaugh said it, you could have properly cited as a racist remark.

Since I, unlike you, treat people as individuals, I have no choice but to understand that you, Wilbon, are a racist in denying that African-Americans lack the capacity for individual thought.  You, like the race-mongering firm of Sharpton & Jackson, are actively degrading a significant percentage of the American populace.

And since you behave in such a racist manner against people with whom you share a common ethnicity, I have no other option than to make sure your work is no longer standard viewing and reading fare in my home.  

See, I'm big on judging people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.  Consequently, we don't tolerate racists around here, no matter their skin tone.  Sad to find out you, Wilbon, are a racist.

--Mike 

www.thebrattonreport...

Sadly, he's probably correct

but it has more to do with the sheeple-like way MOST (not all) African-Americans believe what is told to them by their sheep herders. Most blacks I've met who've actually thought it out are a breath of fresh air and those I feel comfortable discussing it with seem absolutely amazed there is another side to the argument and facts they were never told. It's an eye opener. I used to think the urban myths perpetuated by the left could not possibly be believed by any rational person...I was WRONG and the people I was talking to are usually thoughtful people.

 

repeat the lie often enough and it takes on a life all itself.