O'Reilly Guest To Juan Williams: 'Go Back To the Porch'

O'Reilly Guest To Juan Williams: 'Go Back To the Porch'

By Mark Finkelstein (Bio | Archive)
October 15, 2009 - 23:05 ET

The debate over Rush Limbaugh's NFL bid is roiling the racial landscape. This evening, after Juan Williams explained that Rush's "Barack the Magic Negro" parody was based on a column by an African-American author, a black radio talk show host told Williams to "go back to the porch." [H/t NB readers Tracy B. and Ken T.]

Warren Ballantine uttered the insult on this evening's O'Reilly Factor:

BILL O'REILLY: The reason that Limbaugh is not going to be able to buy into the NFL is because a bunch of made-up stuff became legend, and he got hammered.

WARREN BALLANTINE: OK, we won't look at the made-up stuff. Let's look at him playing "Barack The Magic Negro", and we're going to say that's just funny, that's just a joke, that's not racial either. It is racial to real black people.

JUAN WILLIAMS: Hey Warren, you were saying my argument was a red herring. Maybe you should do some research, go back and find out that it was an article written by a black person, headlined "Barack The Magic Negro."

BALLANTINE: He made it a song and played it on his show.

WILLIAMS: So what? He was making fun of it.

BALLANTINE: You can go back to the porch, Juan. You can go back. It's OK.

O'REILLY: All right guys: good debate, good-spirited debate.

Good-spirited? Telling Juan to "go back to the porch"? I have to assume Bill didn't hear Ballantine's closing crack.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.

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Mark...I saw that too this

October 15, 2009 - 23:13 ET by bigtimer

Mark...I saw that too this evening...we wondered allowed if anyone in the msm were going to call attention to this...other than Fox, if they even caught it yet.

Sure glad you have this here, that whole segment was maddening in ways...Juan did a good job, just told the truth...something the left cannot handle, in fact despise and fear...

As they say.."The truth shall set you free"...and the left in power do not want that, not at all, never have, never will, lose control, their agenda is null and void.

As to if BOR noticed/realized what was said at the very end...personally, I don't think so...we shall know tomorrow though.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

bt...We saw that tonight, too...

October 15, 2009 - 23:35 ET by PrairieSky

Unfortunately, the segment ended just as Ballantine said it, so I have no idea if Juan or Bill heard it. Hopefully, by now both have seen it, and will have a comment tomorrow.

Ballantine is a moron just like the rest of his ilk...They believe that any black person who deviates from the standard leftist BS party line that any criticism of or disagreement with another black person automatically means that they are a sell-out, an uncle Tom, an Oreo. I'd love to see what Juan would have said to this idiot, if he had had the chance. There are times when I could just throttle Juan Williams, although overall, I think he's a relatively objective and fair thinker. It will be interesting to see if Bill addresses this tomorrow.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Warren Ballantine

October 15, 2009 - 23:47 ET by blazermaniac

I thought that Warren Ballantine screwed up. I thought that he was supposed to be on PMSNBC, because anyone as big an idiot as Ballantine is, shouldn't be either seen or heard. Ballantine is a typical racist.

Juan Williams is hosting O'Reilly now...

October 16, 2009 - 19:08 ET by HeavyChevy

and he is talking about what happened last night!

HC... I posted about it

October 16, 2009 - 19:19 ET by bigtimer

HC...

I posted about it as well on OT...

It was GREAT!

Hutch and Tammy as well told it like it is as well...thank goodness for Fox!

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

bt & HC,

October 16, 2009 - 20:52 ET by R D Helm

I caught Juan tonight for a bit.

I am actually starting to like the guy, as it appears he is really starting to "catch on."

LOL-Bet he's driving the National Proletariat Radio crowd positively bonkers nuts. :-)

-Dave

its already on YT

October 16, 2009 - 21:04 ET by katainkent

here

____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes

BT it is truly a Kodak moment.

October 16, 2009 - 21:10 ET by HeavyChevy

enjoy it while you can!

I saw it...Juan is PISSED

October 16, 2009 - 19:23 ET by Kat Outta the Bag

I saw it...Juan is PISSED and rightly so. While I think he will always be a Democrat at heart, he's obviously becoming fed up with the liberal narrow-minded viewpoint, especially of how black Americans are supposed to think.

Kat... The leftist

October 16, 2009 - 19:29 ET by bigtimer

Kat...

The leftist treated Juan like shite with his latest book he had come out as well if memory serves me correctly...he is learning as he goes along too with life.

I remember when he was one of the main left side of life hosts for years on Crossfire...he's come along way since then.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

→ Don't tell me Chevy

October 16, 2009 - 19:27 ET by Cool Arrow

I'm taping O'Reilly right now while I finish an episode of CSI.

Suffice ti to say I hope Juan kicked butt.

RO... He did. 'Doubling

October 16, 2009 - 19:30 ET by bigtimer

RO...

He did.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

bt...Juan was great! I wonder...

October 16, 2009 - 20:44 ET by PrairieSky

if Ballantine was asked back on the show to "discuss" his comments from last night...If he was, two guesses what his answer was...NO. Juan was rightly digusted and furious at what Ballantine said, and he got the last word tonight. Good for him.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Sit back Cool, enjoy and remember...

October 16, 2009 - 20:59 ET by HeavyChevy

PLAY-REWIND-PLAY-REWIND-PLAY!!

→ Loved it

October 16, 2009 - 21:00 ET by Cool Arrow

Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers are two liberals I can listen to.

Yeah like a wart Juan is beginning to grow on me...

October 16, 2009 - 21:08 ET by HeavyChevy

I'm still not totally sold on him but even Juan knows when something stinks and know when to call BS on it.

The depth of hatred that

October 16, 2009 - 06:30 ET by motherbelt

The depth of hatred that some blacks feel for any black person (even a liberal like Juan Williams!) who doesn't toe the racial line, is deplorable.

As if calling them "house...er....slaves" (we all know what that is code for) now they are considered dogs on the porch?

This Ballantine guy is despicable.

I agree that Ballantine is

October 16, 2009 - 07:08 ET by BD

I agree that Ballantine is despicable.

If I were Williams I would demand a public apology.

While I would be loath to silence anyone for the nature of their views, I think O'Reilly has the responsibility to maintain the quality of his show by refusing to put Ballantine back on again.

Or at least

October 16, 2009 - 08:08 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

Put the moron back on long enough to get his personal apology to Juan on the air, then cut his mic.

http://gjresult.com

So....

October 16, 2009 - 11:30 ET by farstar99

If you're a black mouthy runt, you can be as racist as you want, apparently.

Frankly, this kind of garbage is every bit as disgusting when it comes from a black man as it would be from an Ohio Nazi.

I like Juan Williams

October 15, 2009 - 23:38 ET by richb313

I like Juan Williams. I do not agree with him on policies most of the time but he is honest and he is smart. That is the reason that Britt Hume wanted him on the panel discussions. Mr. Hume did not want people who just spouted talking points. He wanted people who could aggressivly support thier positions with Intelligent Arguments. I do not have to agree with someone to admire them and Juan Williams is that type of person. I have never heard Juan say anything that he could not back up. Juan is still liberal and he should remain true to his core beliefs. He also does not tolerate dishonesty in arguments, more than once I have heard him correct other liberals who were just wrong about the facts.

A pretty good description

October 15, 2009 - 23:50 ET by general company

of Juan, he is far from being a loon.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Juan is the kind of guy

October 16, 2009 - 00:04 ET by richb313

Juan is the kind of guy I would love to have a beer or three with (MMMM Beer) and just talk with. I am sure it would be fun, entertaining and enlightening. It is always good to have a friendly debate/discussion with people who have differing ideas than you. He is the type of person who lives in the same universe we do but just has a differing opinion on how best to accomplish things. That is totally different from someone who disagrees and attacks the messenger.

Rich I agree with you about

October 16, 2009 - 01:37 ET by rockyracoon

Rich I agree with you about Juan, however he does drive me nuts most of the time. That being said he at least defends his positions with integrity The same cannot be said with the other guest Bill O had on.

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

Agreed. I think he's come a long way ine past few years

October 16, 2009 - 02:04 ET by DaMav

I usually disagree with him but I have grown to respect him. He used to set my teeth on edge, but he seems sincere and is increasingly well informed. Not a talking DNC parrot by any means anymore. Has a sense of humor too. I'd say one of the better liberals out there overall.

Too true, mate.

October 16, 2009 - 08:58 ET by Iowa Boy

Mr. Williams is honest about his beliefs, backs up his as arguments with facts, and calls liberals on their misuse or lack of facts. Also, he NEVER resorts to personal attacks. Its always based on the facts or the ideal, never the person. Camille Paglia is similar. I enjoy her work too. I'm curious if she'll be writing about this particular incident regarding Rush.

"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa

Well......

October 16, 2009 - 11:31 ET by farstar99

It bothers me that he worships Castro.

But if he has any spine, any manhood at all, maybe he'll get fed up with trash like this and be less biased and left-wing.

Juan Williams

October 16, 2009 - 12:49 ET by KC Mulville

I agree. He can argue without being disrespectful, and that earns respect. Certainly from me.

He shouldn't have to take that crap.

Go back to the porch?

October 16, 2009 - 00:02 ET by ebayer

I've never heard that comment before tonight.

I guess I'm just naive.

I don't understand why that's a negative comment.

It is an insult to Blacks

October 16, 2009 - 00:07 ET by richb313

I cannot remember the origins but it is an insult no question about that.

I believe it relates

October 16, 2009 - 00:17 ET by Jer

I believe it relates to the ante bellum distinction between "house" Negroes and "field" Negroes. Both groups were slaves, but the former enjoyed a more amicable, less oppressive, and more privileged relationship with their masters and were consequently more likely to be compliant with and supportive of the social views of their owners.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Jer

Jer...You're not wrong...

October 16, 2009 - 00:23 ET by PrairieSky

You summed it up quite accurately.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Jer nailed it here

October 16, 2009 - 00:26 ET by R D Helm

-Dave

Actually, Dave... You did

October 16, 2009 - 00:30 ET by Jer

Actually, Dave...

You did too (below)--just much more succinctly.

Jer

Jer,

October 16, 2009 - 00:43 ET by R D Helm

But you at least explained it.

Still trying to get my *&%^ replacement CPU up to speed, and I am losing badly.

:-(

-Dave

Dave...

October 16, 2009 - 00:46 ET by Jer

Mine has been very slow too for much of the past couple of days.

Jer

Jer,

October 16, 2009 - 00:54 ET by R D Helm

LOL-I know what you mean.

-Dave

Nailed it?

October 16, 2009 - 04:31 ET by Sergeant ROCK

More like a dodge and parry - ZERO criticism. I guess the fake quotes of Rush have him too busy.

'Centrist' my @ss...

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

I had already dealt with

October 16, 2009 - 06:39 ET by Jer

I had already dealt with and lambasted the fake Limbaugh quotes days ago. Back to the circus, clown.

Jer

Jerry - The one trick @ssclown.

October 17, 2009 - 07:52 ET by Sergeant ROCK

Projecting again lil' Jerry? Maybe I missed it, but I don't see ONE direct criticism about what your buddy said. And your apologist rhetoric about him being a plant or whatever to make democRATS look bad doesn't count. You'd think that could match the bazillions of your posts expressing your outrage over Rush's FAKE quotes on other threads with at least one for this REAL quote. But then again, you're a fraud.

Oh.. and nice job hijacking this thread into a all about hating Rush thread. @ssclown indeed..

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

~"nice job hijacking this thread"

October 17, 2009 - 08:03 ET by choselife3x

He said a day later. Bored?

Kossacks hate me, and so do a-holes. And yes, it does feel good.

Obssessive mental patients like choosemeds

October 17, 2009 - 08:05 ET by Sergeant ROCK

I don't live here like you do, dingbat.

Now, kindly remove your head from Jerry's @ss.

Thank you.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

~Look before you leap

October 17, 2009 - 08:16 ET by choselife3x

Haven't been here in days. But you're still here making a fool of yourself, as always. Nice to know some things never change.

Keep circling the drain screeching epithets and sucking your thumb, alternately. It's amusing.

We need a better class of conservative, here.©

Kossacks hate me, and so do a-holes. And yes, it does feel good.

Jer

October 16, 2009 - 10:39 ET by east tennessee john

No Jer for once you were right. Who in the hell is this racizst Ballentine anyway?

east tennessee john...

October 16, 2009 - 10:44 ET by Jer

Thanks, but once is never enough. Never heard of the guy. Most likely, he's one of Fox News guest liberal stooges designed to make Democrats look like idiots. Fox--and Ballentine--succeeded.

Jer

To refine what Jer has

October 16, 2009 - 13:06 ET by QueenMum

To refine what Jer has said, the term could also be considered to have evolved from the idea that people who had free time on their hands were able to spend a lot of time on the porch. In the South, the porch was the place to get out of the heat and rest from the day. Since it was customary for blacks to spend free time sitting out on the porch chatting with neighbors and family members, the term became a derogatory way to characterize blacks as lazy.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
- P.J. O'Rourke

Re Refine

October 16, 2009 - 14:11 ET by slickwillie2001

...and poor folks tend to not have air-conditioning so they sit outside when it's hot.

I've wondered about the term 'yard-ape' as well, I recall some politician last year got in some trouble when he or she referred to the neighbor's kids as 'yard apes'. Many in my crowd in Georgia referred to their own kids when they were young as yard apes (and rug rats). I considered it redneck Southern. Until this recent incident I had never considered it racist and I'm still fuzzy on whether it is. Urbandictionary has both definitions.

slick...As someone who...

October 16, 2009 - 14:54 ET by PrairieSky

was born and raised in the South and whose family is Southern, let me clarify something...The terms "yard ape" and "rug rat" are not racist or "redneck Southern"(a term I hate, btw) terms. They are colloquialisms which refer to small children, and though common among all socio-economic groups in the South, are used all over the US. I have lived all over the country (and overseas as well), and I have heard those terms, and "yard ape" in particular, used by people from all parts of the US.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Like the phrase

October 16, 2009 - 15:30 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

Curtain climbers.

It's a nationwide phenomenom and there are no racist stigmatisms attached to them.

Well, not until a racist starts claiming their version of racism makes them racist.

In which case it is obvious that the racist has nothing else to do for fun than search for ways to label other people.

Racists are such pathetic creatures.

http://gjresult.com

Willis...Exactly...

October 16, 2009 - 15:54 ET by PrairieSky

Another favorite in our house was "ankle-biters"...I especially like that one...It's cute!

Anyway, you're right on target about the bogus and divisive racial baggage that is sometimes attached to such names and phrases, in an attempt to slanderously label others and cause strife. Pathetic is right.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

oh I have a few

October 16, 2009 - 15:57 ET by katainkent

crumb crunchers, cheerio chasers and carpet critters. :)

Remember a few years back

October 16, 2009 - 16:12 ET by Jer

Remember a few years back when someone used the term "niggardly" and half of DC went ap..oplectic. [I started to say apesh!t, but my PC alarm went off.]

Jer

I think the offense in

October 16, 2009 - 01:42 ET by rockyracoon

I think the offense in question is a derivative of the term "porch monkey," which was one of the insulting names used for blacks I heard while living in NJ.

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

The Origin and Robert Byrd

October 16, 2009 - 11:35 ET by farstar99

Yes, the phrase is "porch monkey" and it can refer to both whites and blacks.

It's disgusting, but that hasn't stopped Byrd from continuing to use it.

My question is, how will the world move forward if the people who whine the most about slurs KEEP USING THEM?

ebayer...The "porch" comment...

October 16, 2009 - 00:09 ET by PrairieSky

is a way of calling Juan Williams a "house negro" which is an extremely racist and offensive thing for anyone, let alone a black person, to call another black person. This is why people take such exception to the comment. Ballantine is complete a$$ for saying such a thing.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

ballintine was referring

October 16, 2009 - 09:37 ET by larry on LI

to calling a black person a "porch monkey".

Larry...The meaning is the same...

October 16, 2009 - 11:33 ET by PrairieSky

"Porch monkey" and "house negro" have the same essential meaning (and insult) and Ballantine's inference was clear. I hope Juan gets the opportunity to challenge that jackass on his despicable comment.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

racial slur

October 16, 2009 - 00:15 ET by Candance Moore

It's an extremely offensive thing to say to a black person. A retread of the accusation that Juan is a "house" slave instead of being out there in the trenches picking cotton with the real men.

candance

October 16, 2009 - 00:21 ET by MrShy

But we live in a post-racial world now, Cx2.

Actually, it seems, we are almost in a present-plantation world (well, the sick liberal world) with the way these hustlers just don't want to let people move on from the past.

As long as we have liberals

October 16, 2009 - 15:36 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

and media types that want to sell newspapers and airtime, we will have racism.

Liberals NEED racism to buy votes.

Media types NEED social unrest to fan the flames of racism to cause riots and in doing so, sell newspapers and jack the price of airtime to increase the profitability of the 'news' division.

Force the 'news' to be presented as a "Public Service" as a condition of their broadcast license and we will see a lot more NEWS and a lot less garbage presented as 'news'.

http://gjresult.com

Racial slur

October 16, 2009 - 12:56 ET by QueenMum

In my own experience, I've heard those who lean towards racial prejudice refer to blacks as "porch monkeys".

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
- P.J. O'Rourke

It means "porch monkey"

October 16, 2009 - 00:27 ET by R D Helm

See above.

-Dave

Dave

October 16, 2009 - 07:18 ET by ricklail

Having grown up in the South I thought that I had heard every term there was for blacks. The first time I heard "porch monkey" was when I went to Fort Hood in 1969. We had a shrink that came here from Texas. She used the term frequently. As a matter of fact she used it to wrong person and got retired.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

What we'll hear tomorrow

October 16, 2009 - 01:39 ET by ConservativeRex

What we'll hear tomorrow from BOR is.."well Ballantine was engaged in a lively debate, but no real harm done or intended"...that's just the way BOR has been rolling. I can't figure it out, but if you point it out he'll spout..'well, I'm not an ideologue..."

Jaun Williams doesn't have anything to worry about in a debate with Ballantine, as soon as he insulted Juan, Juan won.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

I watched the program and even though I didn't catch...

October 16, 2009 - 02:05 ET by jawebster1

the "porch" comment, I already knew that arguing with that guy was a waste of time. Even when they (Liberals) are clearly wrong and know they are wrong they still will not change their minds. I normally don't care for Juan Williams, but he was right on this one. Imagine, Rush is on the air three hours a day, five days a week for around 20 years and they have to go back to his "Jeff Christy" days for a un-PC quote by Rush. I would ask for verification. The "porch" comment is worse than anything Rush ever said, but I guess if you are black, no problem. Jim Webster

Oh, BOR heard it, all right

October 16, 2009 - 06:06 ET by sic721

"I have to assume Bill didn't hear Ballantine's closing crack."

BOR heard it all right, but for 10 months now, he's been schmoozing for another Obama "interview", which is why he didn't call it out. Heck, on the same show, he cut Laura Ingraham short and ended the segment with her when she went towards a place he did not want to go, being critical of the One.

Didn't see the show

October 16, 2009 - 06:30 ET by Tugboat Phil

But I'll bet this Ballantine guy was really upset when political cartoonists used to portray Gen. Powell and Sec. Rice as Step'n'fetchit and Aunt Jemima. If anyone has a slave mentality it's the mindless lefties that don't see anything beyond the democrat party, and now doubly so with Obama in office.

Gun Control - The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

I saw this last night

October 16, 2009 - 06:53 ET by Blonde

And I have to admit, that insult just sailed over all of our heads.

I think it was because we were really happy about Juan calling the guy out about the basis for the Rush parody....not allowing this talking point go without remark. Cheering Juan on, as it were.

Tonight's e-mail segment ought to be interesting. If BOR has the guts to read what I'm sure is in his in-box right now about cutting this segment where he did.

I hope he fails, too.

How about an out?

October 16, 2009 - 07:17 ET by Warman

He probably meant the ol porch monkey bit, but he may have been using another saying. "If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch".NAHHHHH it had to be the porch monkey

Double standard

October 16, 2009 - 07:19 ET by Blogger Guy00001

It's OK to say "go back to the porch" if you are in a protected class.

"Real black people", wow,

October 16, 2009 - 07:23 ET by msh1973

"Real black people", wow, that was unreal; both O'Reilly and Williams let that go by without a peep.

Wow

October 16, 2009 - 07:32 ET by lkotur

I was watching Mr. O last night and I caught the comment and thought, Liberals can say anything they want. Mr. Willams, Mr. O and the American people deserve an apology.

Ah, yes...

October 16, 2009 - 07:41 ET by HeavyChevy

the old "if you don't agree with me your a house negro" attack. A classic and favorable attack from the left. As soon as that segment started I turned because I knew exactly what that SOB was going to say and I was not a bit disappointed.

Heavy

October 16, 2009 - 07:47 ET by Blonde

How would you have responded if you had been sitting in Juan's chair and this guy tossed that off at you?

I'm just curious.

I hope he fails, too.

→ Blonde

October 16, 2009 - 07:57 ET by Cool Arrow

I don't think it would be a pretty sight, but I'd buy a ticket to that one.

That is simple question to answer Blonde

October 16, 2009 - 08:14 ET by HeavyChevy

I would have knocked him on his @$$ and slapped him around like the $2 whore he is. Look I'm not down with violence and some may say I should not have responded that way because it makes "us" all look bad, but sometimes people are beyond talking to and I get tired of wasting my breath.

I can respect that, Heavy.

October 16, 2009 - 08:16 ET by Blonde

I feel your frustration. Because I get frustrated too.

Thanks for the totally honest answer.

I hope he fails, too.

→ Chevy

October 16, 2009 - 08:27 ET by Cool Arrow

Rumor has it the guy gets 75 cents a pop over at the Stuckeys.

$2 is just his advertised price on-air.

Yeah Cool and I bet this clown

October 16, 2009 - 08:43 ET by HeavyChevy

supplies his own knee pads as well. What a bargain!

My response?

October 16, 2009 - 08:17 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

Well, mr ballanatine, if you want to play the poor slave game, I'll play with you.

If you had any value, either intellectually or otherwise, that proved you had greater worth than that of field slave, you could make it to the porch too.

YOUR position in life is determined not only by your abilities, but your approach to life itsself.

You EARNED your position in the field.

I improved my life by hard work and intellectual honesty."

http://gjresult.com

W_L_J

October 16, 2009 - 08:33 ET by HeavyChevy

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Your explanation is quite valid and make sense but again you
cannot talk to people like that @$$ clown. Ballanatine and people like him are so
entrenched in their ways that all the facts and reasoning’s in your comment
would be lost on him. Trust me I KNOW!!!! I have wasted a better part of my
days trying to have a reasonable conversation with people like him, where that
conversation would always end with me being called a White man’s N****r. Yes I
would love to have a debate with someone but there are also times when someone
like Ballantine just flat out needs to get their asses kicked.

What Fox needs is

October 16, 2009 - 09:08 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

A 7 second delay with a quick trigger finger to kill the mic, and pop a graphic up over the mouth of the speaker that says

"Gratituous racial slur aimed at our guest(or host) for no reason other than (name) had no valid response."

It wouldn't take too many episodes before the 'guests' on the intelligent talk shows would learn some manners and show the quality of parenting they received as children.

http://gjresult.com

But I guess I would have to get to the punk first

October 16, 2009 - 08:19 ET by HeavyChevy

Since it was obvious they were in two different locales.

Ha Ha

October 16, 2009 - 08:24 ET by Blonde

The, um, vehemence of your first response, Heavy, indicates to me that you would have given the man a virtual b****-slap of the first order, given two locations. Just what he so richly deserved, IMO.

No worries. :)

I hope he fails, too.

Ballantine insulted

October 16, 2009 - 07:45 ET by chessplayer

Ballantine insulted Williams twice. Before the porch comment, he responded to Williams by saying “real” black people.

“Black Talk Host To Juan Williams: “Real Black People” Are Offended By Limbaugh”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr2X_Iy99F4

Real Black People?

October 16, 2009 - 08:36 ET by richb313

This Real Black People, not Balck enough, all this drivel has been used for years. It means that anyone who disagrees with the very carefull narrative that the Man continues to keep the Black Brothers down is not with it, not Real. When you become successful if you do not keep to this narrative you are not down with it unless you keep reminding everyone how racist America is. That is why Clarance Thomas, Condi Rice, and too many other Blacks who do not buy into this are always not Black enough. They cannot let another story out there. If they did then all the excuses evaporate and they would have to accept that most of the failures of todays poor blacks are because THEY failed not because they were not allowed to succeed.

The hardest thing to do is look in the mirror and see what is there. I think that affermative action, while well intentioned, has only re-enforced this mindset. Hiring practices that included diversity quotas re-enforce it. What does it say to a culture that the only way they can get a job, is not through merit, but by forcing someone to hire people who fit a certain racialo identity. Real damage has been done and it has been done by"Real Black People" who keep this very racists attitude alive.

I really don't get it

October 16, 2009 - 08:30 ET by jon_torlin

What is with people like Ballantine, they make it seem like black people would prefer to be oppressed rather than given a chance to succeed. Of course they don't call it being oppressed, but that's what it is. And at the same time, they accuse anyone who doesn't think the way they do as racist or turncoats, depending on who you talk to.

I don't understand their way of thinking at all.

-Jon

"I don't understand their way of thinking at all."

October 16, 2009 - 08:38 ET by HeavyChevy

There is a method to the madness jon_torlin. As I said so many times here that my brother quotes so well "There is power in oppression" period! Sharpton, Ballintine, Jackson, Farrakhan, and the rest would be out of a good paying gig if we were no longer kept "under glass".

Well said Heavy!

October 16, 2009 - 17:09 ET by Rukus

And just for you, a sweeeeet Chevy!

Gary

POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)

Ah yes thank you Ruckus

October 16, 2009 - 21:02 ET by HeavyChevy

My eternal weakness...

→ Awesome

October 16, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Cool Arrow

But have you checked out the sleek styling of this concept car?

I'm sorry. I couldn't help it.

ROTFLMAO!!

October 20, 2009 - 16:13 ET by Rukus

That was NOT what I was expecting! LOL! Excellent Cool! : )

Gary

POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)

Finally, a motorized coffin!

October 20, 2009 - 16:19 ET by SickofLibs

With training wheels, no less.

Definitely an HONEST opinion

October 16, 2009 - 17:37 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

that sorta cuts the underpinings from the garbage in power.

http://gjresult.com

My gosh!

October 16, 2009 - 08:46 ET by solo4357

I nearly fell off my chair. The music was going, there was a lot of crosstalk so I think Oreilly didn't hear it. I hope he's in the chair tonight to address it. It was despicable. I could not believe the out and out hypocrisy happening in front of my eyes, a man decrying Rush for things he said that were racial and using an obviously racial insult to one of Rush's defenders.

For shame.

"REAL Black People"?

October 16, 2009 - 09:22 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson

"Barack The Magic Negro", and we're going to say that's just funny,
that's just a joke, that's not racial either. It is racial to real
black people."

FACT: barrys daddy was 3/4 ARAB, 1/4 Negro. Mommy was 4/4 Caucasian socialist.

barry hides the 'Caucasian' half, pretends the Arab part doesn't exist, and relies solely on the color of his skin to pretend to be a Black man.

barry DID NOT descend from slaves. He descended from SLAVE TRADERS that sold Negros into slavery.

Now, mr. ballantine.... exactly WHO is the 'real black' person in this crowd?

One good look at barry and the Arab is very apparent, even the color of his skin says arab.

http://gjresult.com

Turn up the heat on these

October 16, 2009 - 11:22 ET by mattm

Turn up the heat on these race-mongering liberal-plantation blacks and they will expose themselves as bigots.

This guy is calling Williams an Uncle Tom. Williams will not sit still for that. This smear campaign could backfire on the race-mongers big-time.... let's hope.

Ballantine:

October 16, 2009 - 11:45 ET by RESTLESS 1

"It is racial to real black people."

I wish somebody, preferably black, would explain to me the difference between REAL black people and ordinary, or unreal black folks.

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Juan

October 16, 2009 - 11:46 ET by Thinking.Man

Not someone I agree with on almost anything, but the closest I have seen to a leftist that at least can debate his side of the argument honestly.

This other guy is the typical leftist, win at any cost, never say anything meaningful, facts are irrelevant, outcome is the only goal regardless of the means required to achieve it.

I didn't hear him say that...

October 16, 2009 - 12:13 ET by StarAZ

I was only half listening--making dinner...Wasn't that enlightening to me...but that is bad saying that to Wms...Of course, I never HEARD of him, and I have listened to Wms for YEARS. What does that tell you?

Nothing New

October 16, 2009 - 12:17 ET by rammingspeed

Black people can use any despicable, racist term, and it is completely ignored. Thank you MSM

This is a major reason more black people aren't Republicans

October 16, 2009 - 12:30 ET by kufir77

Because if you are, they accuse you of "acting white" or being a "house negro".

The funny thing is the majority of black people agree with Republicans more than they think, particularly on issues like gay marriage and religion, but a lot of them have been told since youth the Republican Party is racist. The Democrats know this, and thats why they continue to report false Limbaugh quotes, or call anyone at the Tea Parties a racist. They don't want to lose a key demographic of their party.

The Republican Party needs to figure some way to win blacks over, and Michael Steele is not necessarily the way.

"The Republican Party needs

October 16, 2009 - 12:55 ET by Jer

"The Republican Party needs to figure some way to win blacks over"

Well, at least Farrakhan agrees with you. [See closing paragraph--p. 2]

But, while the false Limbaugh quotes were indeed inexcusable, the factually accurate ones ensure blacks will continue to be a minor constituency of the GOP for years to come.

Jer

Jer...

October 16, 2009 - 14:51 ET by PrairieSky

"...But, while the false Limbaugh quotes were indeed inexcusable, the factually accurate ones ensure blacks will continue to be a minor constituency of the GOP for years to come."

That's a little short sighted and simplistic, don't you think? Do you really believe that certain inflammatory or racially tinged comments that may or may not have been made by Rush Limbaugh, will ensure that blacks will remain a small part or the Republican party? Why? I think you're crediting Rush with way more influence than he has. Rush is politically influential, but I don't believe that he alone has the power to scare off and alienate blacks from the Republican party. There are a number of reasons why blacks, as a group, aren't a larger part of the GOP, but Rush does not play a large part in that.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

I think you would be surprised, Prairie,

October 16, 2009 - 15:19 ET by Jer

I think you would be surprised, Prairie, by just how much Rush's words do impact the political views of African-Americans. I'm offended by many of his racially-charged remarks--and I'm white. I can't even imagine the outrage I might feel if I were black.

For example, there was enormous, near-universal pride among blacks that Barack Obama was elected President of the United States. And then two days before he is even sworn into office, you have the most powerful voice in the Republican party proclaiming "I HOPE HE FAILS". They weren't interested in a nuanced discussion at that particular moment parsing Limbaugh's words and divining his intent. More recently, he has blatantly accused Obama of being an "angry black man" and a "racist".

Rush can entertain his massive audience and bank his hundreds of millions, but he has sealed the fate of the Republican party vis a vis its potential black constituency for the foreseeable future.

Jer

and..

October 16, 2009 - 15:27 ET by katainkent

just how did they come to hear that voice, Jer?

And are you saying the words of one man can be used as a device to bully minorities into the arms of the Democrat party?
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The Emperor, he has no clothes

Maybe because Rush begged

October 16, 2009 - 15:46 ET by Jer

Maybe because Rush begged the MSM to publish his words ["I hope he fails"] and they took him up on it.

Jer

lol

October 16, 2009 - 15:51 ET by katainkent

He put candy on the table and walked out of the room. You demonstate who you are best, when you think you can get away with it, yes?

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The Emperor, he has no clothes

About that candy...

October 16, 2009 - 16:03 ET by Jer

They probably made Snerdly taste it before they grabbed it.

Jer

so

October 16, 2009 - 16:22 ET by katainkent

what do you think? Seriously.

I am trying to make a point about the dynamic between the Democrat party, the Mainstream Press and Limbaugh in regards to the influencing of minorities. And not in a positive way. And its just not Limbaugh. Racism isnt the only -ism in the playbook. Don't you agree its a bigger argument than just one talk radio host?

They could simply not take the bait [or candy, if you prefer to keep the analogy] and prove their integrity.

Jer...I'm not saying that...

October 16, 2009 - 15:43 ET by PrairieSky

Rush's comments don't impact the black community politically...Sure they do, but I think you overstate his influence. As for the "I hope he fails" comment, and this has been argued to death here and elsewhere, Rush was referring to hoping that Obama's stated policies fail, not Obama as president. I remember this incident well, and that was what Rush was referring to, although I realize that you may very well disagree with me on this.

Rush isn't the primary factor concerning the small number of blacks in the GOP now or in the future. I think that contention is simplistic and based on a faulty premise. I believe the reasons that blacks are such a minority of the Repub party are much more complicated and certainly longstanding, going back decades, and are primarily related to social welfare policy differences between what the Dems and Repubs believe ideologically.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Prairie...

October 16, 2009 - 16:00 ET by Jer

I printed the entire transcript and read it several times. I know the arguments and counter-arguments inside and out. As I said in the previous post, an academic debate at that point in time was irrelevant. The atmospherics were toxic.

Are the underlying reasons for blacks comprising just a tiny minority of the GOP somewhat complicated? Absolutely. But Rush has managed to make it simple. And probably more enduring than even I would prefer.

Jer

Jer...Well...

October 16, 2009 - 16:17 ET by PrairieSky

As is often the case, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this...I still believe that you overstate Rush's political influence and importance in the black community.

However, I will say this...If Rush does carry this much influence with blacks concerning their attitudes toward the Republican party, then that is tragic, because blacks truly are missing the true differences between what the Dem and Repub parties have (or don't have) to offer them.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

Prairie...

October 16, 2009 - 16:23 ET by Jer

I tend to agree with that closing thought, Prairie...I don't think it is a particularly healthy phenomenon for either party.

Jer

Jer...Agreed...Healthy it is not...

October 16, 2009 - 16:38 ET by PrairieSky

It is divisive, destructive, and often fueled by propaganda and untruths which only cloud the issues and distract from what is best for all concerned...Regardless of race, we are all Americans, and that is a fact that is too often lost and forgotten about in all the noise and static.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan