PBS's Gwen Ifill has apologized for using the sexually-charged derogatory term "Tea Baggers" during last Wednesday's broadcast of "The NewsHour."
According to the PBS ombudsman, responding to an e-mail message from a NewsBusters reader, Ifill didn't know what it meant.
Apparently, she's just as clueless about current events as ABC's Charlie Gibson.
Before we get there, here's what Ifill said last week on a television station funded with your tax dollars:
So whether it`s Jeremiah Wright or Henry Louis Gates, Jr., or what Jimmy Carter said about this, the Tea Baggers or whoever, it`s always going to be with us?
On Friday, PBS.com published the following (h/t NBer Robert Holmgren):
About Those 'Teabaggers'Do you care to comment about Gwen Ifill's use of the word 'teabaggers' to describe some of president Obama's critics on a segment discussing racism charges on the 9/16/09 NewsHour program. You are aware of what that means?
Since racism charges were directed at President [Bill] and Hillary Clinton during the campaign, as well as media questions such as Time magazine's questioning whether Obama was black enough, fixing a narrow focus on this type of charge seems short sighted. Was it also necessary for a black host to have a panel of comprised of three other blacks and one white? Does the NewsHour have a diversity problem?
Robert Holmgren, Menlo Park, CA
(Ombudsman's Note: Ifill says, "Turns out I am the only person with access to email who never knew this was a term with a sexual meaning. I used it in an offhand manner as a shorthand referring to the 'tea party' movement. It was a slip I was unaware of, and I regret it." I would add that I didn't know that either.)
Hmmm. High-profile media members, from a multitude of news outlets, began disgracefully referring to Tea Party goers in this fashion many months ago, and this is the FIRST TIME Ifill has actually heard what it meant?
Is this REALLY the kind of media elite now responsible for disseminating information to the public?
On the flipside, if she's telling the truth, we shouldn't be at all surprised. After all, just days earlier ABC's Charlie Gibson claimed he had no knowledge of the controversy surrounding ACORN representatives giving business advice to a pimp and a prostitute.
It sure is good to know just how out of touch some of America's top news anchors are.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
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Its faux outrage
September 22, 2009 - 11:27 ET by nwahsNot many know its a sexual term and thats exactly why its faux outage. I've worked on boats with roughnecks and deckhands most of my life, and I'd never heard it. I guess it could be a common term in the gay community, but I wouldn't know about that. You'd have to ask a toe tapper (can I say that?). Fact is the first people to use the term were tea party attendees.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
cnn
September 22, 2009 - 11:32 ET by mom_roxPerhaps, but the first time I heard that it was a sexual term was when Anderson Cooper said, "It's hard to talk when you're teabagging." So, I guess Gwen Ifill doesn't watch Anderson Cooper either.
~~save your tea, dump congress~~
You have no idea how many obscure sexual terms there are
September 22, 2009 - 11:38 ET by nwahsHere's a partial list.
**WARNING ** This link contains graphic explanations of sexual terms:
http://gyral.blacksh...
So you're supposed to not use any term on this list?And thats just one list. This faux outrage is feeble.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs, You're absolutely right that I have no idea about that,
September 22, 2009 - 11:41 ET by mom_roxand I don't even have to go to your link to know it.
As with many things, it's how things are said in context. Cooper and Gergen were obviously trying to use sexual double entendres. They were not innocent remarks.
~~save your tea, dump congress~~
context
September 22, 2009 - 11:54 ET by katainkentdefinately. I looked over the list. Looks like many are nouns turned into verbs. Anything can be a sexual metaphor when used in the right context. Sometimes a cigar is indeed just a cigar. This is not one of those cases.
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What I think they were doing
September 22, 2009 - 13:24 ET by nwahsI think they were making fun of the fact the some tea partiers ( when will find that term has psilocybin roots?) had adopted a term that had obscure sexual connotations. I think it was more elitism than anything.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Nice try, pal. WHAT 'fact'?
September 22, 2009 - 19:12 ET by Tailgunner'I think they were making fun of the fact the some tea partiers ( when will find that term has psilocybin roots?) had adopted a term that had obscure sexual connotations.'
What 'fact'? There IS no such 'fact'. It makes no sense.
If you claim it's a 'fact' that middle-aged American men and women chose to adopt a perverted and degrading sexual term used primarily by teenagers, then you should be able to back that 'fact' up with a source.
The 'fact' is that leftwing politicians, celebrities (who are more familiar with the term and experienced in the practice than Mr and Mrs America) and MSM hacks have been using it nonstop to disparage average Americans exercising their right to oppose socialist tyranny.
And anyone who claims ignorance of the meaning of teabagger, especially after using it, is a damn liar.
Waiting....
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
First, it's Ifill's own
September 22, 2009 - 12:11 ET by kgFirst, it's Ifill's own fault from getting her news watching MSNBC. MSNBC's Maddow/Olbermann knew EXACTLY what it meant. That is why they used the word with such glee.
Second, it is not fake outrage. People quickly figured out what it meant including those in the media. Nice try at justifying it by pleading ignorance.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Hummm....
September 22, 2009 - 12:12 ET by CobraManIt's rather funny that you have access to so many vulgar sexual terms yet claim that you didn't know what 'teabagger" means. How is it that you know so much about sexual references yet never heard the term "teabagger" before?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Because before today
September 22, 2009 - 13:07 ET by nwahsBecause before today, I don't think I've ever googled "obscure sexual terms list."
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Shawn
September 22, 2009 - 11:41 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
That's a convenient position many months ago when the movement first started and the Netroots began calling Tea Partiers by that name. I for one also didn't know what it meant back then.
HOWEVER, as this has now become quite commonplace due to the disgraceful behavior of a variety of media members, it is PREPOSTEROUS for any newser to use the term and then claim they don't know what it means. PERIOD!!! ns
Noel...
September 22, 2009 - 18:08 ET by JerSo you're accusing Ifill of lying?
I had never heard the term used to describe an anomalous? sexual practice until it was made the topic of NB blogs and linked to double entendre riffs by Anderson Cooper and David Shuster. It doesn't surprise me in the least that Ifill only learned of the sexual connotation at some point after she had used it on air.
The "tea bag" is the symbol adopted by the tea partiers. As such, "Tea baggers" would seem to be a perfectly logical correlative term.
Jer
Jer....we respect each other.
September 22, 2009 - 20:45 ET by TailgunnerPlease don't insult my intelligence.
"Tea Baggers" was almost universally used by the left for months. There is no question in my mind Ms Ifill was aware of its meaning.
We seem to accept the premise that these types of people, who live and work with access to a 24/7 stream of information from print, internet and broadcast media, somehow live in a sealed bubble from the moment they wake up until they go to sleep at night.
That's the only way folks like Ms Ifill can get by with pleading ignorance of things you and I pick up in the twenty or thirty minutes it takes to drink a cup (or three) of morning coffee.
(Or an evening sixpack.)
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Tailgunner...
September 23, 2009 - 14:50 ET by JerMy intention is definitely not to insult your or anyone's intelligence, but rather to question presumptions and conclusions. And just as I admit my bias may lead me to presume innocence and credibility on behalf of Ifill, I suggest there may be a corresponding counter-bias underlying the more prevalent cynicism attached to her motives and veracity.
Since I never watch Schuster or Olbermann, and Cooper very rarely, my introduction to the "forbidden" usage of the term was via the NB blogs. Otherwise, it seemed to be a perfectly logical variation and application of "tea bag" given that the actual tea bag was an associated symbol of the tea party movement. Accordingly, inside whatever "bubble" Ifill may reside, it wouldn't have had to be too tightly sealed for her not to know differently--in my humble, objective (as possible) opinion. What in the world would it gain her by deliberately making a crude insulting reference to tea partiers during a serious discussion on race? The respect of her peers?...of her audience? Nonsense.
Jer
One thing I will concede...
September 23, 2009 - 16:32 ET by TailgunnerPBS does not, on it's worst day, compare to the lunatic sewage emanating from MSNBC, et al.
They have some class left.
This could defend your claim of Ms Ifill's ignorance of the term.
You could make a case that although she was aware of the meaning, she was not aware it was such a 'loaded' term.
I will stipulate to the possibility, though not the probability.
(If I mangled my lawyerese, forgive me.)
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Jer, you are a lawyer. In
September 22, 2009 - 20:47 ET by NL207Jer, you are a lawyer. In your experience as counsel, how many people have you met who have given false testimony under oath to protect their own interests?
Why is it so inconceivable to you that Ifill, or any other moral relativist, would tell a 'little white lie' about their understanding of teh expression, 'Tea Bagger', in order to not look foolish?
→ NL207
September 22, 2009 - 20:49 ET by Cool ArrowYou're not saying OJ did it, are you?
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
Everybody knows the
September 22, 2009 - 20:56 ET by NL207Everybody knows the one-armed man did it.
So what have you been quaffing these days, Cool? I've been working on a case of Veldensteiner Pils 500ml.
OJ...killed his wife?
September 22, 2009 - 23:41 ET by JerI'm beginning to think maybe he did, but give him a chance, he's still out there looking for the real killer, isn't he? [Or has he already gone to the slammer over the Vegas caper?]
Jer
Sorry Jer
September 22, 2009 - 23:48 ET by BlondeOJ's been in the slam for a while, now.
Not as long as he should have been in the slam....but sometimes late is better than never.
I hope he fails, too.
Well, Blonde
September 23, 2009 - 14:56 ET by Jer...as long as we're talking "shoulds", he should be in San Quentin on death row.
Jer
NL...I suspect
September 23, 2009 - 00:07 ET by JerI suspect quite a few.
As for Ifill, you presume she is a "moral relativist". Based on what? Regardless, with respect to the "Tea Bagger" issue, it seems that most here believe she looks foolish by "pretending" she didn't know its perjorative connotation. In other words, the prevailing NB view holds that her statement of denial and apology--if believed--makes her appear out of touch, naive, as well as a poor journalist; and--if disbelieved--adds a lack of integrity to the malevolent intent associated with her original use of the term.
Jer
I'm with Jer on this one
September 23, 2009 - 00:11 ET by candanceIfill probably heard it the first time on CNN or something and figured it was legitimate. The very fact that she apologized shows she has more class than those who do not. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt here.
We have an optimist!
September 23, 2009 - 00:20 ET by NL207We have an optimist!
An optimist?
September 23, 2009 - 00:57 ET by JerWhat gall! That's the last thing we need around here. Off with her head. ;-)
Jer
I presume nothing. Ifill
September 23, 2009 - 00:15 ET by NL207I presume nothing. Ifill is a card-carrying Liberal. That makes her by definition, a moral relativist.
Does it also make her a
September 23, 2009 - 00:58 ET by JerDoes it also make her a liar?
Jer
Only when she's moving her
September 23, 2009 - 08:41 ET by NL207Only when she's moving her lips.
nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 11:50 ET by katainkentits been around for a good 20 yrs. Just because you hadn't heard it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Whether it started in the gay community or as a measure of disrespect in the military - I have no idea but it was a gamer's term at least two years ago. And even barring that exposure in those three realms - it hasn't been 'fringe' in months.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
Exactly right
September 22, 2009 - 14:37 ET by Captain KirockThis term has been around for a long time. Gamers have used the term for years.
Anyone professing innocence over the term's sexual connotation is a liar.
I'm not the only one who didn't know what it meant
September 22, 2009 - 14:53 ET by nwahsA few people on this board have stated they didn't know what it meant when it first came up. Apparently it is most used in the gay culture. I know the sexual connotation now, but a month ago or even less, I wouldn't have known. I assumed it was just a term for tea partiers.
And speaking of "tea partiers" are we sure that term has no sexual or drug connotations? Lets get its strait now - is "tea partier" safe to use?
Don't come two weeks from now and say I'm calling people drug addicts because some obscure term from the drug culture pops up.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
→ nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 14:59 ET by Cool ArrowYour lack of knowledge of American History is astounding.
The Boston Tea Party was a tax revolt.
Glad I could help somewhat with your obviously honest ignorance. Please feel free to ask if you have any more questions. We'll try to find you a link.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
I understand
September 22, 2009 - 15:07 ET by nwahsAnd psilocybin tea parties were a culture revolt. I don't want to be blamed if an obscure drug or sex term pops up for "tea partiers."
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 15:44 ET by katainkentto say that what you just said is a 'stretch' would be generous. Keep working with this pretzel logic. Eventually someone might buy it.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
I'm just nipping this in the bud
September 22, 2009 - 16:18 ET by nwahs"Tea partier" is an ok'd term? Just making sure I'm not offending anyone on the tea party circuit. I'm not comparing tea partiers today, with people that made mushroom tea. I'm just making sure that if some obscure term shows up, we agreed beforehand, "tea partier" was an acceptable term.
How is that pretzel logic? I'm not rationalizing anything, I'm asking.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
→ nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 16:35 ET by Cool ArrowIt's OK to admit your ignorance of the origin of the term "Tea Party" as applied to tax revolt.
But I don't see why you're appealing for a seat on the board of the Legion of Decency.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
Shawn
September 22, 2009 - 16:40 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
Tea Partier is fine. I've used it myself.
That said, you're on thin ice with this. Surely you can understand why folks like me who have attended numerous Tea Parties are offended by this term. Furthermore, is this how anchormen and women should be referring to average citizens just because they don't agree with the views being expressed? Is this really the kind of America you want to live in? ns
No this is not my idea of the kind of America
September 22, 2009 - 17:26 ET by nwahsNo, I don't want to live in this type of America. The polarization is over the top. But it happens on both sides, and now that right is fully engaged in tit for tat tactics, some of the most egregious intrusions on civility are coming from the right. And not just against the radical left. Against anyone that doesn't agree with even their most juvenile, frat boy humor. Where was all this whining when Rush was doing "Uranus" jokes? I'm supposed to believe that was funny, this is rude. I'm supposed to believe calling Halle Berry a "halfrican" is funny, and this is rude. I'm supposed to believe Ebonics translations are funny and this is rude.
Politics or not, hypocrisy doesn't fit down my throat, and my Lord, the right is bursting at the seams with hypocrisy these days. And the simple reason is the right has decided to embrace the frat boy humor of Rush Limbaugh.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Can I ask NW
September 22, 2009 - 17:30 ET by general companyDoes this whine of yours ever end? Your like a broken record
some of the most egregious intrusions on civility are coming from the right.
You keep claiming this, but continue to fail to show it.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I continue to fail to show it??
September 22, 2009 - 17:35 ET by nwahsYou had a post on this board longing for the day to exile American dissenters and their families at gun point.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
→ So what?
September 22, 2009 - 17:42 ET by Cool ArrowYou have a tendency to confuse protest with sedition.
You have your own methods of twisting the facts, as do many of us.
So what?
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
Dont patronize him CA
September 22, 2009 - 18:21 ET by general companyHe is full of crap, he wont find any such post by me, so he will simply claim he saw it some where? One thing I have noticed about NW, is he sure does get his feelings hurt when the Right says something he disapproves of, yet when confronted by the lefts hate, he dismisses it by continuing to point at the Right. He constantly suggest this, and never provide jack for example, well almost never. His examples are way out of context and never suggest what his claims are. Now he is suggesting the same from me.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I worded that badly
September 22, 2009 - 18:40 ET by nwahsLook down, I've linked the post. When I wrote "you have a post on the board" I meant it in the same way as one might say "you have the government paying for abortions," or "you have all this bickering going on."
I worded it badly - sorry.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
What are you talking about.
September 22, 2009 - 18:05 ET by general companyYou had a post on this board
Are you suggesting me personaly? Like I said, does this whine ever end?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
My mistake
September 22, 2009 - 18:26 ET by nwahsI worded that badly, I'm sorry. I should have stated "There was a post..." Mybad, that's just my way of talking. I didn't mean you personally.
Here's the post
http://newsbusters.o...
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Only slightly mistaken, nwahs...
September 22, 2009 - 18:49 ET by JerScroll down on that same thread and you'll find general company endorsing the disturbing rant by Tom in NC threatening the extermination of liberals.
Jer
It all comes down to the
September 22, 2009 - 21:13 ET by bretzysdudeIt all comes down to the OTHER person, doesn't it?
And I'm being lectured about the term "tea bagger?"
September 22, 2009 - 21:21 ET by nwahsMy God. Listen to this extraordinary hate over politics.
From http://newsbusters.o...
The Modern American Revolution is in full swing, if the liberals want
to take it up a notch, we are ready. We won't back down, we won't
surrender and we won't take prisoners, they can take that anyway they
want to, I'm to the point now where I no longer care what liberals
think, say or do. I just want my country back and if that means prying
it from the cold dead fingers of the liberals, so be it.
In the words of George W. Bush, "You are either with us or against
us". So bring it on libs, we're ready, locked and loaded and I
guarantee you victory will be ours in the end.
Not one person expresses outrage over this implication of violence. Lets hope the the liberal that this person pries his country from the "cold dead hands" of is not one of your young family members cutting their eye teeth in politics.
Yea, you have a problem here Noel, and it ain't me. You have a group of people here becoming comfortable threatening violence.
For the moron quoted above, George Bush was talking about enemy heads of state, not American citizens. How dare you pervert it for your twisted agenda. You should be investigated, you maggot.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Why don't you apply that
September 22, 2009 - 21:39 ET by NL207Why don't you apply that term, "Tea Bagger" to Nancy Pelosi or Michelle Obama?
Or better, apply that term in public to Barney Frank, who quite likely IS a tea bagger!
Do you think this will be well received by the left, or even by yourself? I don't think so.
If you can't comprehend how offensive this snide appellation smeared all over the grass roots mom-and-pop citizens of this country by a bunch of smug, elitists in the MSM is, then you have no common sense or empathy whatsoever.
Oh, please. Your fake outrage is truly pathetic.
September 22, 2009 - 21:45 ET by TailgunnerQuit hyperventilating.
'Threatening violence'?
Why don't you save it for the SEIU thugs who BEAT UP a black PASTOR after calling him a 'Ni**er'.
Or the innumerable lefties who called for Bush's assassination, including Randi Rhodes of Air America who was investigated by Secret Service agents after TWICE calling for the murder of the President of the United States.
Or the leftwing professor who BOMBED federal buildings and headed up a domestic terrorist operation whose members killed police, guards and each other.
Or the Democrat Senator who infamously wrote, 'I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.'
This Democrat Senator also conspired to intimidate and murder blacks who were trying to exercise their civil rights.
So save us the moral posturing, OK?
Moron.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
That was satire
September 22, 2009 - 22:04 ET by nwahsThat was satire, Nancy. Haven't you heard? Its all the rage :) Didn't you get my nuances?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Typical liberal dodge...'Just Kidding!'
September 22, 2009 - 22:10 ET by TailgunnerUsed whenever they back themselves into a rhetorical corner with no where to go once they're called on their BS.
And usually about as believable as the original BS.
Pathetic and pitiful, pal.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Zoom
September 22, 2009 - 22:14 ET by nwahswhooooosh.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Ass-backward Shawn, allow me to put this in perspective for you
September 22, 2009 - 22:14 ET by R D Helm...since most here are skirting around the obvious.
We [true] conservatives are "real" Americans, and have just about had it watching our God-given [freedoms] and [liberties] taken from us by the freedom-hating left, and by "left," I am including RINOs, too.
There is fast coming a point in this country when we "real" Americans are going to value our hard-won freedoms and liberties more than the lives of those who are working to take them from us, even if it means forfeiting our own lives in their defense.
Of course, we would prefer to correct this hideous situation in the voting booth, but should that become impossible, then things are going to get decidely unpleasant for those who wish to take from us that which we hold dear.
Many millions of Americans have no intention whatsoever of allowing this country to be turned into Cuba.
-You, of course, may take that however you wish.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
So what you're saying is?
September 22, 2009 - 22:18 ET by nwahsOf course, we would prefer to correct this hideous situation in the
voting booth, but should that become impossible, then things are going
to get decidely unpleasant for those who wish to take from us that
which we hold dear.
If you lose another election you're going to kill people?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Nwahs,
September 22, 2009 - 22:29 ET by R D HelmYou need to go back and research the [true] origins of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
I suggest you begin with the Federalist Papers.
I think you'll find that amendment wasn't put there for the benefit of wild game hunters or for those wishing to engage in mere target practice.
I'm just sayin.'
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
You're being vague
September 22, 2009 - 22:46 ET by nwahsIf you have the right to enforce your will at gunpoint over lawful elections, what separates you from any other domestic terrorist? In the post I quoted above, the author is implying an armed revolution. Thats treason. So you're hinting at domestic terrorism being an alternative, another is pledging all out treason, and I am the one lectured about hurting people's feelings.
I just hope you all are writing out of anger. Still someone should warn you both you are playing on very dangerous ground.Believe it or not you can get in a lot of trouble for what you post on the internet as a few kids in the New Orleans area found out.
Here, a few kids got upset that a local mall passed a curfew for kids under 18. Well two kids posted a message on a facebook page saying they ought to shoot up the place. They were booked within hours for making terroristic threats. The only thing separating you from their fate is you've named no specific target. Should Jack Daniels start typing one night you could find a lot of trouble.It might be a good idea to dial back the armed intimidation rhetoric.
FYI
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I'll say it outright: The Second Amendment guarantees our right,
September 22, 2009 - 23:11 ET by Tailgunner...to keep and bear arms in order to enable an ARMED REVOLT against a tyrannical, unconstitutional government.
There it is, pal. It's all over the Federalist Papers, the Constitutional ratification debates, and American history.
Nothing about duck hunting, putting little holes in paper, or polishing them up real pretty for your friends to look at.
It's meant to put big ugly holes in people who try to take our lives, our guns or our liberties.
And our government knows this. That's why we'll never have to shoot them.
Kind of like an armed truce.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
"And our government knows
September 22, 2009 - 23:17 ET by NL207"And our government knows this"
Not THIS government. Watch them try to circumvent the 2nd Amendment with some kind of firearms tax.
Possible...but unlikely IMHO.
September 22, 2009 - 23:32 ET by TailgunnerSome time ago Rep Bobby Rush introduced a bill that contained nearly every single antigun provision that had been proposed by the left in the last forty years.
I think the NRA named him, 'Recruiter of the Year'. (j/k)
But seriously, the Democrats aren't as monolithic and intimidating as they seemed as late as July.
Individual Dems, some moderate, some merely afraid of defeat, are leaving the S.S. Obama in larger numbers.
This means that even Obama's most ambitious and revolutionary schemes are either DOA or in the ICU.
And 2010 is going to bring a tsunami of American outrage to DC that'll make Katrina look like a couple of kids splashing in a puddle.
I think we'll be ok for the foreseeable future.
(Of course we could always bury the damn things...;-D )
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Don't count your Congressmen
September 23, 2009 - 00:03 ET by NL207Don't count your Congressmen until they hatch. Conservatives haven't won back anything yet. The Democrats don't care about 2010. Their leadership is telling them that if they sieze enough power they cannot be unseated in 2010 no matter what conservatives do. The vote fraud our candidates faced in 2008 will be paled in comparison with what will be in store in 2010. ACORN will be whitewashed and rehabilitated by next year. The only way to take out ACORN permanently is with a RICO based criminal prosecution, which won't happen with Obama in charge.
2nd Amend-Federalist Papers - RDH-Tailgun-NL207(noshow nwahs)
September 23, 2009 - 09:09 ET by vrwc13You need to go back and research the [true] origins of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. I suggest you begin with the Federalist Papers. I think you'll find that amendment wasn't put there for the benefit of wild game hunters or for those wishing to engage in mere target practice. I'm just sayin.' -Dave
...once you guys exposed the reality of the origins of the 2nd Amendment the Federalist Papers, nwahs was gone...! Hmmm
v
..an error was made in 2008
LOL, big surprise! He's
September 23, 2009 - 09:15 ET by pahuberLOL, big surprise! He's probably off to log in under another moniker until that one gets its *ss handed to it, as well.
vrwc,
September 23, 2009 - 11:34 ET by R D HelmLOL-It works every time.
I doubt he knows what the Federalist Papers even are, why they exist, or who wrote them.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
Nonsense! He use
September 24, 2009 - 08:29 ET by NL207Nonsense! He uses federalist paper in the bathroom daily!
nwahs, I am not being vague at all.
September 23, 2009 - 00:28 ET by R D HelmWhat happens in the voting booth represents "democracy." Problem is, this country is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic, based on the rule of law, not mob rule.
As for what I post here at NB, over at HotAir, at American Power, or on my own blog, I don't much give a rat's ass what government thinks of it, nor the current administration, or the previous one, either, as I was not exactly a member of GWB's fan club.
Besides, the 1st Amendment took care of that some time ago.
I come from a huge military and law-enforcement oriented family, populated by people who swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
Believe me, their oaths said nothing about defending the [government] of same, as they are entirely different things.
Should you trouble yourself to actually read the Federalist Papers, you would understand that. Too bad they don't teach that in governmet schools.
Then again, I spent most of my time in private school, and I thank God every day that my parent's had the resources to send me to them, too.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
defend the Constitution of the United States
September 23, 2009 - 09:21 ET by vrwc13I come from a huge military and law-enforcement oriented family, populated by people who swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
...seems like this is the issue that came up in Honduras...some are siding with the ex-president (government) others with their laws (constitution).
Maybe that's why Hugo and many libs (Hillary?) have come to the aid of the ex-president?
v
...an error was made in 2008
Backward shawn,
September 23, 2009 - 00:43 ET by R D Helm"So you're hinting at domestic terrorism being an alternative, another
is pledging all out treason, and I am the one lectured about hurting
people's feelings"
Domestic terrorism? LOL.
Damn good thing you weren't around in the 1700's spewing that BS, else we would all still be writing checks to Queen Elizabeth on a yearly basis.
You are clearly afraid of your own government. That is, to a certain extent, a good thing, as I am afraid of it, too.
Perhaps now you will understand why what an intolerable situation this has become, and further see that it should really be the other way around.
If you don't, then there really isn't much hope for you.
BTW-Since you went to government school and don't know any better, the people who founded the country that affords you the right to post comments here at NB, all committed the act of treason against the crown of England.
Perhaps you should consider that the next time you decide to accuse you fellow Americans of having committed same.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
What are YOU going to do as
September 22, 2009 - 22:30 ET by NL207What are YOU going to do as these tyrants you have helped elect intimidate, silence and despotize your neighbors one at a time? When will you stand up and say enough?
First they came for the banks. Then they came for the auto companies. Then it was the insurance companies. Then it was energy production. Then the healthcare industry. How long will you wait? When they start denying healthcare to old people because it isn't cost effective? Or will you be one of the dummeresel who waits until they come for you?
And when they came for the
September 22, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Free StinkerAnd when they came for the bloggers . . . there was no one left to stand up for us . . .
Glenn Beck and Mark Levin feud?
September 22, 2009 - 22:49 ET by nwahsGlenn Beck has defected?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Defected? More like deficated
September 22, 2009 - 22:54 ET by Free StinkerNo_but_Beck
seems_to_think
the_Tea_Party
Movement_is_about
Beck_and_it_Aint
"President Obama is learning on the job and it shows." --Boris Epshteyn
Yea, I didn't see those Glenn Beck signs
September 22, 2009 - 22:58 ET by nwahsI didn't see all those Glenn Beck signs or hear that Glenn Beck chant.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
At the DC rally I could
September 22, 2009 - 23:01 ET by Free StinkerAt the DC rally I could have counted the Beck signs on 1 hand.
Four more posters from the Larouche clowns and they would have equaled the Beck count I saw.
Beck is trying to hijack the Tea Party movement and failing.
it is bigger than Beck
September 22, 2009 - 23:03 ET by candanceI absolutely agree. Instead of making signs around any particular "hero" we need to talk about why we're conservatives.
Well as I stated in a post marked for posterity
September 22, 2009 - 23:04 ET by nwahsWell as I stated in a post marked for posterity, I don't think Beck will still be on TV in 2010. I think he's a flash in the pan. We'll see.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Keep_telling_yourself that
September 22, 2009 - 23:19 ET by Free StinkerKeep_telling_yourself
that_if_it_makes_you_feel_better
Beck_is_having_greater
success_with_TV_than_radio
He's_not_going_away
Non sequitur. You lose.
September 22, 2009 - 22:56 ET by NL207Non sequitur.
You lose.
Pitiful Jer
September 24, 2009 - 08:47 ET by general companyBut so typical of you. Why is it you didnt bother to post the link? Toms comment 9/11 Should I go back and find the very real threats you made to me personaly? You talk out of both sides of your face,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
general company...
September 24, 2009 - 12:24 ET by JerBecause the link to the thread had already been posted, I referred to it, and then nwashs quoted it. Now, "should [you] go back and find the very real threats [I] made to [you] personally"?
Exactly what type of threats, g c? Let's see 'em.
Jer
You denying them?
September 24, 2009 - 12:33 ET by general companyBecause I remember your apology for them as well?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I remember apologizing
September 24, 2009 - 12:39 ET by JerI remember apologizing for commenting about your spelling when you went ballistic over my criticism of your hero O'Reilly.
But, stop the games. What "threats" do you have in mind?
Jer
Realy, I did not realize there was more then one
September 24, 2009 - 12:52 ET by general companyincident, because you must have this one confused with another of your Punk name calling incidents.
Suggest what you want Jer, but I wont be waisting my time looking at old post. No doubt we wont have to wait to much longer to point out the same behaviour of yourself that you accuse others of.
BTW, my hero isnt on tv.
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Typical g c...
September 24, 2009 - 13:27 ET by JerTypical g c...make accusations against me and then refuse to explain them. Stunningly and shamefully irresponsible.
Jer
Stunningly and shamefully irresponsible.
September 24, 2009 - 14:50 ET by general companyTypical of me? What is typical is you denying the truth.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
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Still calling you irresponsible, general company, and
September 24, 2009 - 17:08 ET by Jerstill waiting for the link to the "personal threats". Are you still looking for them?
Jer
I'm the only one I've seen on NB who uses 'punk'.
September 24, 2009 - 14:42 ET by TailgunnerBut the recipient of such an honor has earned it repeatedly.
I personally haven't see Jer using it.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Well he got in a huff one night
September 24, 2009 - 14:54 ET by general companyAnd used it to me, when I told him I would be more then happy to find my way to his location. He changed his tune, even offering an apology. I saw him call someone else a punk, but cant remember who.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
It was me, GG!
September 24, 2009 - 15:12 ET by Georgia GirlIt was me -- he called me a punk!
Just kidding. Sorry~~I'm in a weird mood. ^_^ Carry on...
I know...but it was said
September 24, 2009 - 17:02 ET by JerI know...but it was said with affection--as in "my sweet punky Georgia Girl".
Actually, I think I said you were punctilious. And somehow the "tilious" part got lost in cyberspace.
Jer
Tailgunner...
September 24, 2009 - 15:58 ET by JerA few months ago, after finally having had enough of general company calling me a "hypocrite", a "slanderer", and a "liberal slime machine" and further after my repeatedly pleading with him to back up his accusations against me, I did indeed lose my temper and called him a "punk", a "liar" and a "coward" [as well as a "poor speller"].
I then apologized for doing so. He didn't even acknowledge my apology--simply continued with his attacks.
Now, he is stating I personally threatened him, but refuses to provide a shred of evidence. So, I think a 'put up, or shut up' would be in order. Don't you agree?
Jer
hm
September 24, 2009 - 16:12 ET by katainkentis this said "punk" argument?
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kata...
September 24, 2009 - 16:51 ET by JerIt indeed is the main part of said argument. Do you notice any "personal threats" on my part? You will note an apology--but none from general company, even though he had begun the name-calling the day before.
Jer
no,
September 24, 2009 - 17:21 ET by katainkentbut as was mentioned, this thread and the other one are not one in the same. I have no memory of the other but I don't read every blog.
As NB arguments go - the one in the Tiller thread seems relatively short and explosive and I was honestly surprised how fast you got angry. Which is why I remembered it.
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kata...
September 24, 2009 - 17:41 ET by JerI believe I explained on that thread that it was [after his continual insults, deflections, refusals to clarify, etc.] accumulated frustration which prompted my outburst and subsequent apology--which he ignored. Now he accuses me of "personal threats" and when asked to link same, starts his dance again.
How do you think you would react, kata? I'm open to suggestion.
Jer
After further thought?
September 24, 2009 - 19:06 ET by general companyI have edited out my comments if others would like to see the exchange back then feel free to
The pettyness of this has embarassed me, but I havent lied about the exchange.
Fact of the matter is, I was fully prepared to let Jer's slander of myself stand, untill the thread was recalled. But I was at peace with it, and I still am.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I only hope people will
September 24, 2009 - 19:08 ET by JerI only hope people will take the time to read that thread and the related ones where you had previously called me a "hypocrite", a "tool", accused me of "slander", said I was "full of it", claimed I had made "false accusations", etc.
Nevertheless, I made a sincere apology for my heated reaction, and said I would love to get together with you some time. You lacked the class however to apologize for your behavior, but rather "cautioned" me you were the same g c in person [which suggested to me someone who would just continue the insulting behavior. I had no interest in encountering more of the same].
Jer
You need to go reread it,
September 24, 2009 - 19:23 ET by general companyBecause you still dont get it. Seems to me, you were practicing the insulting behavior. And you started with it again today.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
well, Jer...
September 24, 2009 - 20:24 ET by katainkenthave you ever seen me react in that way to anyone? I don't even know how to address your question.
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You don't need to, kata,
September 24, 2009 - 21:12 ET by JerYou don't need to, kata, I'm hoping (praying) the matter is closed.
Jer
Thank you Kata
September 24, 2009 - 18:05 ET by general companyI honestly never would had known how or where to find it.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
general company
September 24, 2009 - 18:23 ET by JerAnd now that you've found it, you'll kindly point out my alleged "personal threats"? Thanks.
Jer
Calling me a punk
September 24, 2009 - 19:19 ET by general companyIs a threat, you would not had in person. I extended my hand to you after that past exchange. You slimed me again today. You cant debate, so you start with your accusations of accusing others of accusations. Your not a very truthfull person Jer, 90% of what yop claimed of me is simply not in the exchange. Now maybe your memory is not what it used to be, quite honestly I had even forgotten what we were talking about. But I did remember you being less then sincere. See Jer I know I am not always right, But I dont lie, and I try to be as pointed as I can, just as I was back then. I am predictable to myself,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
general company... Why
September 24, 2009 - 19:28 ET by Jergeneral company...
Why don't we just let this go. Nobody is interested in or entertained by this. I'll issue a blanket apology for all of my past objectionable behavior toward you. I'm truly sorry. Let's start over with a clean slate.
Jer
Well I'll tell you what
September 24, 2009 - 23:56 ET by general companyI can forgive anyone,
I could had replied differently myself this morning.
I had never revisited the other thread to see your last post. And it was the single most nasty comment ever made toward me. Then you post this today? This is clearly false, but yet there you are (should also add that you slimed Tom also)? You simply dont seem to have much of a problem posting nonesense about me? So after biting the hand I exstended once, not really sure what I can do about a clean slate. You will have to earn it by me, I dont give away but so much respect.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
That I called you a
September 25, 2009 - 00:13 ET by JerThat I called you a "snot"? That's the nastiest comment ever made about you? Okay.
Let me ask you, did you ever consider offering an apology to me for your behavior. You were the one who started the name-calling.
Finally, how did I mischaracterize Tom's comment, or your unqualified endorsement of it?
Jer
No, you lie
September 25, 2009 - 00:45 ET by general companyWell g c...I logged back on and note you're back to bouncing from thread to thread posting snarky remarks to my comments.
That is what we call down here, a lie.
Let me ask you, did you ever consider offering an apology to me for your behavior. You were the one who started the name-calling.
So I did, "tool". But it was only in response to another lie, by you.
It might interest you to know that on another thread several of your fellow members on the right very clearly don't accept this view.
Oh this isnt a lie? Another poster asked you to provide info on this, but you declined?
Finally, how did I mischaracterize Tom's comment, or your unqualified endorsement of it?
Well you said this: Scroll down on that same thread and you'll find general company
endorsing the disturbing rant by Tom in NC threatening the
extermination of liberals.
Another flat out lie, extermination hardly. Look at the date! Fair fight at worst, Pep talk is what it was. For you to suggest I endorse the extermination of anyone is a far reach. Like I said, you dont seem to have much problem with lying about what I said.
You have crossed your last creek with me guy, you are as useless as they come.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
You admit you started the
September 25, 2009 - 01:16 ET by JerYou admit you started the name-calling. Good for you. You say it was because of my "lie". Nonsense. BT asserted that I claimed some NBers advocated Tiller's murder. That's not what I claimed. Blogger had said no one had taken an "end justifies the means" attitude. I dsputed that, with good reason. I did not lie about it.
Sorry, but it's impossible to draw any reasonable inference from Tom's post other than it being a threat for the potential extermination of liberals. The wording is clear and unmistakable. As I said, you gave it an unconditional endorsement. If you now say you didn't mean it to be what it clearly seemed to be, then I'll accept your ignorance as an excuse.
But, I could care less about your "forgiveness"--and I know that the last thing to ever expect from you is an apology for your blatantly rude behavior. I suppose you think any expression of regret would make you look weak, or be a tacit admission you could have been wrong. As for me, I've apologized enough...more than enough. There will be no more. So go ahead and "cross your creek", leave me alone, or start whatever forum you wish about what a terrible person I am--I promise not to interfere. I'm not wasting any more time with you.
Jer
Leave you alone?
September 25, 2009 - 19:00 ET by general companyYour lie is what started this nonesense, how about you practice what you preach hypocrite.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
welcome gc
September 24, 2009 - 20:27 ET by katainkentI hope my meddling hasn't caused [more] trouble.
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No, not at all
September 25, 2009 - 00:01 ET by general companyThanks again,
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
All I can speak to is my own experience.
September 24, 2009 - 18:32 ET by TailgunnerAnd when it gets to the point where I use the term, the person has pretty much lost all my respect.
The evidence by then is clear to anyone that the guy has definitely stepped over the line. (Anyone remember 'child molester'?)
So the ball's definitely in his court. And on at least one occasion that person has privately apologized.
It's not for me to speak for someone else...but I will say I've found you to be a restrained, logical debater.
Hell, compared to some of these leftwing lunatics you're practically Rush.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
No. You just got caught trying to falsely smear a conservative.
September 23, 2009 - 16:21 ET by TailgunnerNow you're backtracking.
I wouldn't believe you if you told me my ass was on fire.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Edit. Nationalized
September 22, 2009 - 20:32 ET by TailgunnerEdit.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Shawn
September 22, 2009 - 17:41 ET by Noel SheppardShawn,
But don't you see a difference between Rush Limbaugh and Gwen Ifill? ns
Yes there is a difference
September 22, 2009 - 18:19 ET by nwahsI've looked for it but I can't find a link to a show Rush had about 2 weeks ago where he called himself the leader of the conservative movement. There was no satire. There was no punchline. He called himself the leader of conservatism in the United States.
I have yet to see anyone rebut that. So where as Ifill is one of many many program hosts/journalist, Rush is without a doubt the most important conservative pundit in the United States.
Whether I can prove he said he is the leader of conservatism, is irrelevant ( and anyone honest who listens everyday, knows he said that), as always it can be brushed off as satire. But no one can name a more important conservative pundit. There is none. So where as in the early '90s one could say "thats just Rush," now he is the voice of the political right ( Congressmen and Senators) - like it or not. They've endorsed him as more important to the GOP than former Secretary of State, Colin Powell. And that is who is doing"Uranus" jokes, Ebonics translations, and labeling people"halfricans." One of the most visible conservatives in the country is doing frat boy humor. You have no problem with that?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
backwards shawn
September 22, 2009 - 18:35 ET by MrShySeriously, watch this from almost 1/2 a year ago... to the end:
Gergen and that bald idiot/doofus (who does the CNN Wall St/money stuff) imMEEEEDiately laughed and "got" the joke Sir Gay Cooper tossed out.
Get real.
EDIT: Btw, isn't Anderson -- along with The Bearded One -- CNN's other flagship for straight news? (no pun intended there.) He threw in a "joke" like that and still has his job?
How did we get here?
nw... I'd like to hear
September 22, 2009 - 18:31 ET by bigtimernw...
I'd like to hear that link...I may have very well missed that...sure would like to know if this was taken out of context...
I do know I heard him say he was sick of hearing the msm saying he was head of the republican party...to which he said he is not a republican, he is a conservative.
I am paraphrasing here, but that is as close as I can come to what you may be attempting to spin here.
He also has said, just recently once again, it is the viewers/listeners that are what matters, they are the voices, he is just an arm to use to speak for us through.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
context
September 22, 2009 - 18:42 ET by katainkentcan be found here. Sept 14th. I have only just begun to read it but I presume Limbaugh is using "leader" in the face of Kurtz calling him "leader". I don't have much occassion to read much Rush unless nwahs or NB brings him up. Looks to be intesting.
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Thank you for that
September 22, 2009 - 18:50 ET by nwahsI'm going to read over it myself.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
anything
September 22, 2009 - 18:54 ET by katainkentto keep you from linking MM again :)
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Lol
September 22, 2009 - 18:58 ET by nwahsThanks, thats exactly the statement I heard
"For those of you listening right now be aware I'm going to repeat the
first half hour of this program, not verbatim, I'm just going to do it
all again once this stupid speech is over with, I may do it at the top
of the next hour or what have you. But the attempts here to supersede
the leader of the conservative movement shall not go unanswered by the
leader of the conservative movement. "
http://www.rushlimba...
Seriously, thank you Kata. I'd have never found that - I looked!
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
heh
September 22, 2009 - 19:08 ET by katainkentI used to write dbase IV queries. Google is cake.
After reading through, I can only think he's referring directly to what Kurtz (and others) said re: him being the 'leader'. It's very much like the other puffy ego-filled statements I am used to from him. Much like his 'talent on loan from God'. I think you spend more time taking him seriously than the people who take him seriously.
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See nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 21:37 ET by RESTLESS 1There you go again. Reading a transcript and taking all of the nuance out of it. Even reading the limited quote you provided, I can easily see that it was sarcasm. It was in answer to the left, like yourself, constantly calling him the leader of the conservative movement.
In my lifetime, the conservative side has always been, for the most part, leaderless, except for Reagan. He is as close as we have come to "conservative leader" that I can remember. Conservatives are of a fierce independent spirit, thus leadership comes hard. We are not nearly as prone to follow and be cared for by some "leader" as you liberals are.
So no, Rush is not the "leader" of the conservative movement. The conservative movement is being led by us, by a common belief that bigger govt. is a bad thing. That family values are important.
If anything, the Constitution is our leader.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
No thats not it.
September 22, 2009 - 22:07 ET by nwahsNah , he's the leader or most influential pundit. Its pretty ridiculous to claim otherwise.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Ah, insert fingers into ears
September 22, 2009 - 22:13 ET by RESTLESS 1and regale with your chorus of "I can't hear you, I can't hear you". You're outdoing yourself here.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Restless/HansW...
September 22, 2009 - 22:34 ET by Georgia GirlRestless: you might want to try singing "My country 'Tis of Thee" at the same time. My oldest brother did that a lot to tune out a younger brother when we were growing up -- he swore it helped.((^_^))
HansW: maybe you need to rock out to some tunes on your music thread~you seem a little tense tonight and not as many :)faces lately. Breathe...breathe.
Well, night. Peace out.
I was listening when Rush said that
September 22, 2009 - 23:00 ET by candanceThe day that happened, he started the show by saying "Since David Axelrod says I'm in charge then I'll act like I'm in charge." A few days later, he ceremoniously passed the baton to Colin Powell.
Rush loves giving thousand-word monologues that sound serious, so it's easy to copypaste entire paragraphs and call it "in context." It's a clever trick to immediately identify who listened to the show and who didn't.
nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 18:47 ET by FeynmanFanYou said:
Just because someone doesn't rebut a statement that you make doesn't make your statement true.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ Rush, the leader
September 22, 2009 - 18:52 ET by Cool ArrowI'm not particularly concerned whether Rush is the "voice" or the "leader" of the conservative movement.
I'm pretty sure there is no more recognizable conservative out there.
Once it was W.F. Buckley.
As yet, there is no "conservative" party.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
Want to talk about 'frat boy' humor?
September 22, 2009 - 19:01 ET by TailgunnerI haven't heard Rush calling anyone 'teabaggers'.
That classy bit of testicular comedy is reserved for nearly every leftwing comedian, Democrat politician, and MSM tool in the last 4-5 months.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
TailG
September 22, 2009 - 19:03 ET by MrShy"...in the last 4-5 months."
Months??? Just months??
meh
September 22, 2009 - 17:06 ET by katainkentditto what Noel said at this point. You have as much guile at this point as my 14 yr old daughter. That is, you are utterly transparent.
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nwahs: First, the use of
September 22, 2009 - 18:21 ET by stratmannwahs:
First, the use of "Tea Partier" most like has been used well before this mellenia since people tend to name participants in an activity or group by the name of the activity or group. Hence the noun Tea Partier derived from the activity Tea Party
Second, because the customary naming convention is as previously described, naming the participant(s) using another derivative for the noun deserves consideration as to context.
Third, a "tea party" in drug culture can mean anything made into or added to a tea and then imbibed. Marijuana can also be made into a tea and ingested for effect.
Fourth, marijuana has been called "tea" since before the 1960's and marijuana "tea party's" have been a slang term known for many years. Like other slang terms, usage comes and goes when inter- and intra-generational dynamics are in effect (and they always are in iffect, hence new slang for the same item/action/event)
Fifth, ingestion narcotics as a "tea" is usually quite unpalatible, hence the rarity of such events versus other ways of ingestion.
Sixth, if I take Gwen Ifill at her word of not knowing the slang meaning of "tea bagger", then I must assume Ifill is more out of touch with the news outside her teleprompter bubble than Charlie "ACORN" Gibson. The ACORN story was only out a handful of days. The "tea bagger" controversy, one pushed by her fellow newsies, had been around weeks.
No wonder the Media is so myopic - they only consume that which they create, and what they create is incomplete for ideological reasons. How else can you explain why Ifill had no idea "tea bagger" was a pejorative. She doesn't examine any other "news" than that which she is feed for her work. And if Ifill utilizes several sources for her information, then that is an indictment on the ideological bias and incompleteness of those sources.
No matter how you slice this, for a "news' person, one who is supposed to be at the top of their profession, Ifill is sorely lacking in knowledge of the news.
Like Wolf Blitzer on Jepordy vs on the job, Ifill looks good on camera after being spoonfed the background or given a teleprompter, but her working knowledge outside the bubble, the information we commoners find on our own, Ifill bombs with a negative score.
Last, did any other upper level newser's know what "tea bagger" meant? Yes, long before Ifill. This was news, juicy news. Why was Gwen so out of the loop? Ivory Tower syndrome? Unreliable news sources? Apathy? Lack of curiousity? Hubris?
→ nwahs busted again
September 22, 2009 - 15:54 ET by Cool ArrowPlease provide a link to "psilocybin Tea Party"+"culture revolt"
What you were really doing back in those days was consuming drugs. The only culture revolt involved was that your mom and dad didn't want you to do it.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
Hey Nwahs...
September 22, 2009 - 11:52 ET by MightyMouthWhat was your job on those boats working with all those "roughnecks" and "deckhands": Chief Salad Tosser?
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
I was a port captain
September 22, 2009 - 13:12 ET by nwahsPort captain. I see your handle, so I don't have to ask your job :)
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I'm a Superhero, I just type with a lissp.
September 22, 2009 - 13:43 ET by MightyMouth"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
Oh :)
September 22, 2009 - 14:55 ET by nwahsI was hoping it was something like that :)
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
It's YOUR faux excuse
September 22, 2009 - 12:09 ET by CobraManAs other have pointed out, time and time again, the meaning of that term has been understood for several months. Yet, somehow, you believe that people don't know what it means? That's BS, and you know it.
You, yourself, admit that you've known the meaning for months, so how is it "faux" outrage when people complain about th use of a vulgar term now that people understand just what the term means?
Your faux excuse isn't working any more.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
I had never heard of
September 22, 2009 - 12:51 ET by HypocriteHaterI had never heard of "macaca" before, but apparently we're suppose to be outraged at that word when used by a Republican. That's according to the msm template.
HH
September 22, 2009 - 12:55 ET by Noel SheppardHH,
Nice catch, and quite to the point.
Of course, this is part of the astounding double-standard that exists for liberals and conservatives. A liberal can say "I didn't know" or apologize and all is forgiven. A conservative isn't afforded such a luxury.
Why do you think that is? ns
Right, Noel... "quite to
September 22, 2009 - 23:02 ET by JerRight, Noel...
"quite to the point" indeed, but not the one you're trying to make. I submit the odds that Allen knew exactly what "macaca" meant are considerably greater than Ifill knowing the arcane sexual connotation of the term "tea baggers". The 'point' is knowledge and intent of the speaker.
Jer
I submit the odds that
September 22, 2009 - 23:10 ET by Free StinkerI submit the odds that Allen knew exactly what "macaca" meant
Why don't you back that up? Oh yeah, never mind. We know why.
Even *I* have heard of the "teabaggers" term, but never "macacca".
you have to remember
September 22, 2009 - 23:21 ET by candanceWe've been over this before. Liberals use their psychic powers to divine that George Allen was thinking racist thoughts and Bush lied about Iraq on purpose.
But when it comes to their side, everyone is innocent until there's a blue dress.
ETA: This is about the liberal population as a whole and not an individual indictment of Jer.
candance...
September 22, 2009 - 23:34 ET by JerThanks, but I gather you believe I am behaving like the "liberal population as a whole" in this instance.
Jer
to some extent, yes
September 22, 2009 - 23:43 ET by candancebut you're not as hyper-partisan as most libs.
Refresh my memory: Did
September 22, 2009 - 23:30 ET by JerRefresh my memory: Did Allen apologize and say he didn't know that the term is used disparagingly as did Ifill over her "tea bagger" remark?
Allen apologized
September 22, 2009 - 23:39 ET by candanceand told WaPo that he hadn't known the meaning of the word.
Of course Jim Webb milked it for all it was worth, and most of that WaPo article (which was written specifically for Allen's apology) tilted in Webb's favor.
Thanks for the link, candance.
September 23, 2009 - 00:51 ET by JerThanks for the link, candance. So, if I understand correctly, according to Allen macaca was a word that sounded similar to "mohawk" and was appropo because the young man from India wore a "mullet"?
Er...Okay.
Jer
I thought that was a little weird too
September 23, 2009 - 00:54 ET by candanceBut he apologized and we have nothing else to go on, so to borrow from the left it should be time to moveon.org
Not for Allen, of course. His entire career is over.
I DON'T believe THAT either.
September 23, 2009 - 11:23 ET by TailgunnerThat's worse than Ifill's pathetic excuse.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
I submit the odds that
September 22, 2009 - 23:17 ET by Dan The Man 2I submit the odds that Allen knew exactly what "macaca" meant are
considerably greater than Ifill knowing the arcane sexual connotation
of the term "tea baggers"
You wouldnt do well in Vegas. If Allen knew what a very obscure term macca meant, IRRC it was used in Africa, the Belgian Congo. It was teh first time most heard and it was quickly and widely publicized. I dont recall many if any at all using the term except to describe what Allen said?
Conversely the term Anderson used months ago has been widely used by liberal news readers and is quite widely known by most people. Now here is a news person in teh business of current news and events and she doesnt know? She was picked to moderate one of teh Presidential debates because she was so knowlegable of the current events and pulse of the people.
You woiuld make a poor bookie.
Been to Vegas. Did
September 22, 2009 - 23:26 ET by JerBeen to Vegas. Did well.
Jer
Jer, I love your devil's
September 23, 2009 - 00:01 ET by RescuedByRushJer, I love your devil's advocate voice here, but let's all just dismiss this notion that "tea bagging" is a more foreign term than "macaca." Let's all just grow up and admit that we know what "tea bagging" means. It ain't gay, it ain't disgusting. It's dropping your $ack into a willing party's mouth. It doesn't even take imagination to figure that out.
Anyone claiming ignorance on the "teabagging" meme looks stupid.
I don't have a built in tag line, so I'm gonna force feed this one... I'm the best there is, plain and simple. When I wake up in the morning I piss excellence. - Ricky Bobby
this is gross
September 23, 2009 - 00:17 ET by candanceI admit that I didn't know what it was until someone on NB explained it (although they did so more sublty). At first I found it hard to believe the media would stoop to such lows.
And no, I didn't spend much energy using my imagination because I have no interest in that.
Rescued
September 23, 2009 - 00:44 ET by JerIn response, a few random points:
1. I'm sure I'm not as "current" with erotic lingo as I have been in years past, but neither have I been living in a cave with a gaggle of close-minded prudes for the past decade. And I was completely unfamiliar with the sexual applications of the term.
2. A poll that I ran across on the internet recently indicated that almost half of those voting were likewise unaware of the meaning.
3. I most likely would still be unaware without the NB blogs which referenced it and noted Anderson Cooper's and David Schuster's extensive joking [taunting] about it.
4. If Ifill had used the term "teabagging", the case against her would be stronger.
5. I've read the description of the practice enough times now that it isn't necessary to reiterate it for my benefit. I get it. The imagery and its connection with dipping a tea bag is obvious.
6. But inasmuch as the tea bag was adopted as a symbol of protest by many of the tea partiers [websites were set up to urge protestors to send actual tea bags to their congressmen], it doesn't seem odd, illogical, or malicious, to associate and apply the term "tea baggers" to the Tea Party movement.
Jer
Glad to hear you haven't
September 23, 2009 - 08:06 ET by RescuedByRushGlad to hear you haven't "been living in a cave with a gaggle of close-minded prudes." That would be a drag. I guess I'm just stunned that this term was new to so many people. I just can't get worked up when Cooper or others use it mockingly. They just end up looking juvenile. If, like supposedly is the case with Ifill, it's innocent ignorance, they just look clueless.
Glad to hear you haven't
September 23, 2009 - 08:50 ET by JerGlad to hear you haven't "been living in a cave with a gaggle of close-minded prudes." That would be a drag.
Well, now that Uncle Fred has assured me the bat guano has been cleaned up, I may at least pay them a visit.
I just can't get worked up when Cooper or others use it mockingly. They just end up looking juvenile. If, like supposedly is the case with Ifill, it's innocent ignorance, they just look clueless.
It looks to me that perhaps Ifill has more serious matters requiring her attention than tuning in to the schoolboy tittering of pseudo-journalist wiseasses.
Jer
Speaking of 'bat guano'...
September 23, 2009 - 22:57 ET by TailgunnerI think I know where your Uncle Fred dumped much of it.
Here.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
I'm afraid to ask...him or
September 23, 2009 - 23:05 ET by JerI'm afraid to ask...him or you.
Hold on. Just noticed your answer: "Here"
I think I'll head for the exit now. Ver-ry carefully.
G'night...
Jer
Tailgunner~I'm off-topic but...
September 23, 2009 - 23:06 ET by Georgia GirlNot a day should go by before someone thanks you for your service. So I'm getting my "thank you" in before the clock strikes midnight.:)
But truly, our country can't thank you enough...and we shouldn't stop thanking you -- as well as other veterans and those serving us now.
Thank you...but I got the better end of the deal.
September 24, 2009 - 01:58 ET by TailgunnerI'm one of those guys Rep. Charlie Rangel was talking about when he referred to those who had no economic future where they lived so they enlisted in the military.
I was paid well, travelled 'extensively', and operated some very nice automatic and semiautomatic 'machinery' in some very interesting places worldwide.
Thanks to you, the American taxpayer, I now enjoy a combined VA/DOD retirement/disability income that keeps me from living under an overpass, holding cardboard signs at intersections, and fighting stray cats for old McScraps in McDonalds' dumpsters.
Compared to where I came from, this is Beverly Hills, baby.
Don't thank me...thank you.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Tailgunner~
September 24, 2009 - 09:17 ET by Georgia GirlYou are just the kind of guy I would want operating "machinery"!
OMG.
September 24, 2009 - 14:35 ET by Tailgunner=D
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
→ DOINNNGGG
September 24, 2009 - 14:42 ET by Cool ArrowMight want to wait awhile before standing up.
And this impresses me
September 22, 2009 - 13:16 ET by nwahsAnd this is just as phony. This is generated outrage.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
→ Thanks, nwahs
September 22, 2009 - 13:27 ET by Cool ArrowYou're a very able apologist.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
nwahs, "And this is just
September 22, 2009 - 13:52 ET by hydrodynDMnwahs,
"And this is just as phony. This is generated outrage".
You couldn't have summed up your own position better.
good point
September 22, 2009 - 13:59 ET by katainkentyou know I still have no idea what that term means. But I sure as heck wouldn't use it in conversation or in a paper without looking it up first.
____________________________________________
The Emperor, he has no clothes
Who used "Teabaggers" first?
September 22, 2009 - 14:16 ET by nandrelliAt my advanced age (59), it is quite possible that my memory is faulty. However, in my recollection, the term "teabaggers" as first applied to the Tea Party movement came from the lame-stream cable show hosts such as Anderson Cooper, Keith Olbermann, and Rachel Maddow, and Cooper even made the wiseass remark "It's hard to talk when you're teabagging" (confirming what many had already guessed about his orientation. The thing that STILL puzzles me is how Maddow would even know about the practice, given which spectrum of society she comes from).
Again, as I remember it, there was outrage on day 1 about the fact that the low-class cable hosts mentioned above (and many of their co-workers) would even use that term on the air to begin with, and that their editors would allow them to continue using it (once they knew what it means, of course). I mean, how long would someone from Fox News get away with talking about the "carpet-muncher Maddow" or the "corn-holer Cooper"? Look at what Ann Coulter had to put up with when she used the term "faggot" as related to John Edwards.
So the outrage is both real and justified, not so much from being called a "teabagger", but from the fact that the LSM manages to get away with it.
Interestingly enough, just this past Saturday, after having heard Congresswoman Maxine Waters use the term "teabaggers" during an interview last week, I sent her a letter (snail mail, to both her House of Reps office and her office in California) giving her a graphic description of what the term "teabagger" implies, and requested that she stop using it as well. I doubt it will get past her screeners, but maybe someone will get her the info and she will stop using it as Ifill did.
Anderson Cooper
September 22, 2009 - 17:26 ET by Apodicticcan tell you everything you want to know about "teabagging." He's just upset that he's third in line behind Larry Sinclair and Chris Matthews. And, by the way, Gwen Aweful is a lying idiot.
Anderson Cooper popularized "tea bagger"
September 22, 2009 - 19:03 ET by carolina09It's something he must have picked up from the Vanderbilts.
→ No, carolina
September 22, 2009 - 19:08 ET by Cool ArrowYoung Squire Anerson was attending Cocaine parties at Studio 54 at the tender age of ten with none other than Michael Jackson.
It was a fond memory he divulged upon Pedophile Jackson's death.
A Democrat killed Harvey Milk, Nancy!
nwahs' sixth lie in 4 weeks. I am calling him out again. Liar.
September 23, 2009 - 02:29 ET by JWFFact is I am assuming nwahs is lying until he provides proof.
nwahs the liar: Fact is the first people to use the term were tea party attendees.
Alright factboy. Let's hear it. Source it. Where did tea party attendees refer to themselves as tea baggers before journalists and politicians first started calling them that.
It would be prior to Anderson Cooper and Davis Shuster on or about 11 April 2009. Huffington post used it on 9 April.
If it is a fact, then nwahs can source it. Source it, Liar.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Not true
September 23, 2009 - 03:58 ET by AmaliaTea party attendees were not the first to refer to themselves as 'tea baggers'. They've always called themselves 'tea partiers' and you won't find many tea party attendees calling themselves 'tea baggers'. That's a derogatory term the leftists decided to use as their (childish and immature) way of mocking the tea parties. In my experience, the first liberal to have used that term to refer to tea party attendees was that jerk from Daily Kos, Markos whatever-his-name-is. That was reported on this very site, and then Anderson Cooper followed suit.
I am sick and tired of people like you saying tea party attendees called themselves that first because it's not true and it makes them look dumb and ignorant (which is probably your goal).
No CNN?
September 22, 2009 - 11:27 ET by slickwillie2001Ifill must not be watching CNN. Isn't Anderson Cooper up for a Pulitzer for keeping us all up to date on the latest perverted homosexual acts?
Not Buying It
September 22, 2009 - 11:31 ET by BondPlainBondAre people really going to let her get away with that lame and obviously untrue explanation?
What would you have people
September 22, 2009 - 11:33 ET by arkansaszippersWhat would you have people do?
Not Hire Her
September 22, 2009 - 11:39 ET by BondPlainBondHer credibility is ZERO.
Lying about something as obvious and well-known as this is pathetic.
She lied to save her "status". With this lie, she should be persona non grata in the world of television journalism, and certainly never invited to appear on a panel program.
Try resurch the story and
September 22, 2009 - 11:39 ET by ninerdogTry resurch the story and report it without a liberal slant.
I Don't Know...
September 22, 2009 - 11:41 ET by Corny_McPooMaybe FIRE HER? She is employed by a tax-payer funded entity, and should be held accountable to taxpayers.
Signed, Corny McPoo
"To be is to do." - Plato
"To do is to be." - Aristotle
"Do be do be do." - Sinatra
Ignorance abounds
September 22, 2009 - 11:33 ET by BlondeWhether it's MsM'ers, or the President himself, unaware of Acorn funding (**right**).
I can see how Ifill would be unaware of the term, but Gibson & Obama "unaware" of Acorn's activities......HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!
I hope he fails, too.
Cry wolf
September 22, 2009 - 12:04 ET by iveseenitallThe race hustlers have cried "wolf" too often. The issue has been marginalized, as have so many important issues, through the ignorance and pettiness which has crept into our society from the media. The mostly "liberal" MSM love the split they have caused in the nation. It has kept them in bussiness all these years. Unfortunately for them, the chickens have come home to roost. Their disingenuous garbage has seen its day. Even Obama's bailout won't help this crowd of immature liars.
BTW, some good is coming from our electing the immature, uneducated, inexperienced, lying narcissist Obama. It is hard for the average person to see what I've known for years because of working closely with the "liberals". Now the world is witnessing them in action. Citizens are getting an education, an epiphany. Chris Wallace said the other day that he has never seen such "cry babies" in his life. That's just the tip of the iceberg. "Liberals" are breed unto themselves --but, like Dorian Grey, under their phony facade lies a nasty, hate-filled ugliness. Tear away the cover, then shield your eyes. And...
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
NEVER, NEVER trust a "liberal"
So, Gwen uses terms to
September 22, 2009 - 11:45 ET by d1carterSo, Gwen uses terms to describe conservatives that she does not know what they mean? How often does she do that? Why not "tea partiers"? AC is the expert and she knows it. "Journalists" are surely not that out of touch with the public. If so, are they really "journalists"?
The lib's new answer for
September 22, 2009 - 11:45 ET by vrwc13The lib's new answer for all..
"I didn't know!"
"You lie!" answer: "I didn't know!"
"Teabagger!" answer: "I didn't know!"
"Abortion is not covered in obamacare" answer: "I didn't know!"
"ACORN gets a lot of Federal money!" answer: "I didn't know!"
v
geesh... an error was made in 2008
Ms Gwen
September 22, 2009 - 11:54 ET by cajun2Ms Gwen did not know the meaning of a derogatory term used to describe conservatives. Hmmmm, what else does she not know about conservatives?
Good point
September 22, 2009 - 15:21 ET by general companyMy Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Black Outrage?
September 22, 2009 - 11:54 ET by okiehawk44Since it is generally well known that blacks are repulsed at the very thought of homosexuality it was not a misstatement by Ms. Ifill was it?
Ms. Ifill owes all homosexuals an apology and not one of those heterosexual apologies either where the apologist says "if anyone was offended by anything I said..." but a real apology.
Comparing nice homosexuals with those rude people. WTF!
What I find particularly
September 22, 2009 - 12:04 ET by GrannyGrump42What I find particularly telling is that the sexually "tolerant" Left's greatest insult to anybody is to imply that they engage in a deviant sexual behavior. You'd think "teabagging" would be just another valid and satisfying means of exploring one's sexuality, and not an insult. What's up with that?
"I didn't know!"
September 22, 2009 - 12:04 ET by CobraMan"I didn't know!" That excuse seems to becoming more and more prevalent in the last few months, (Obama didn't "know" about his Reverend's racists meanderings, he didn't "know" about Van Jones, ect.) especially amongst Liberals. Yet the Liberals consider themselves to be the intelligent ones! HAH!
Liberals, for supposedly intelligent people, you sure don't know very much.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
She's A Nerd, Give Her A Break
September 22, 2009 - 12:35 ET by rammingspeedI'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. "Tea bagging" is a term first used in the homosexual community, and heterosexual hipsters took it from there. Most people in the country didn't know what it meant when it was first used to denigrate the tea party-ers last spring.
Just like "chicken hawk" is a euphemism used to describe a male homosexual/pedophile, and then was ripped off by the Dems to describe people who support the wars in the Middle East but who aren't themselves in the military.
pathetic excuse
September 22, 2009 - 12:43 ET by rowdygirlNo way would this pass if this was a white person talking about blacks. Are we supposed to believe that she's so ignorant that she just uses any old derogatory term without knowing what it means?
If she really is that stupid, she sure shouldn't be telling anyone about it.
Perhaps if Gwen was objective
September 22, 2009 - 12:43 ET by suburbanitePerhaps if Gwen was an objective journalist, like she should be, she wouldn't use terms she didn't understand in an obvious attempt to demean the Tea Party protestors. So she's sorry for using the term teabaggers but she's not sorry for demeaning the protestors.
"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way" Triumph
Summed it up nicely. She
September 22, 2009 - 13:44 ET by ReaverSummed it up nicely. She may or may not have been aware of the sexual reference, but she certainly knew it was a derogatory term for tea party protesters.
I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. - Hunter S. Thompson
It seems recently we were
September 22, 2009 - 13:41 ET by deerjerkydaveIt seems recently we were discussing this very issue only it was Maxine Waters who said it.
I've read enough liberal blogs and watched enough liberal news to know that they frequently use the term "tea baggers" with a snicker to disparage the tea party protesters. The fact that Gwen Awful used it is very telling. Gwen is either very ignorant, uninformed, or biased...or maybe all three. Either way this is not the type of person I want to get my news and information from.
Rellay a journalist???
September 22, 2009 - 14:19 ET by SpokerIs she really a journalist?
If she is, why is she using words she has no idea what they mean?
Perhaps she can go back and take Journalism 101 again.
Sure, Gwen.
September 22, 2009 - 14:26 ET by samhermanmdLike hell she did not know what she was saying.
Cooper and Maddow
September 22, 2009 - 14:42 ET by OxyConAre the ones who gleefully propagated their homosexual vulgarities into the mainstream.
I'm not a prude, but there's a place for this stuff, and it isn't on supposed serious news channels.
Maddow does it too?? WTF?
September 24, 2009 - 14:30 ET by TailgunnerNationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
I'm not buyin' it...
September 22, 2009 - 15:05 ET by nan101This may just be me, however I believe their statements are disingenuous...The Lord has changed my life and therefore changed my heart...so this comment is BC-Before Christ...
I used derogatory terms all the time. I also cursed like a sailor so when I heard a term and wanted to make it as foul as possible I listened to the culture and heard how other people used it, I then FOUND OUT what they meant by it...and TA DA!!!I was on board.
So this I didn't know what it meant is a statement that is wearing thin with me and a whole bunch of people around me. A persons character is all that we truly can say is ours...we don't take anything with us when we die, so I am looking at a whole bunch of people who pretend to represent the little people and guess what!!!
They are the very ones insulting and degrading the people who they claim to represent. It is disgusting because they ACTUALLY believe that we don't know what is going on.
I for one pray that good men and women who are of good character and politically savvy run in 2010.
I disagree with all liberals and their lies...oh my...I must be racist!!!
People with bad character are bad characters indeed!!!
Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and Malkin speak for me!!!
Judgement Day - 2010
If Ifill really meant what
September 22, 2009 - 15:13 ET by RR GOPIf Ifill really meant what she said, then I think that's OK and her apology is laudable. There's so much filth in any language that even exceptional perverts don't know them all.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
I've always felt Ifill was
September 22, 2009 - 16:06 ET by BigSky1970I've always felt Ifill was clueless to begin with.
PBS BS Meter
September 22, 2009 - 16:36 ET by ScottyDogI do not believe her for a minute. I would bet that she thought she could get away with saying it without the email outrage and complaints that were lodged against PBS.
It reminds me of when she got caught in the debates about writing her book on Obama being a conflict of interest in being the moderator.
The same old "I am innocent excuse" then as she is doing now about tea bagging
PBS should have fired her a long time ago for not separating her personal politics from her so called journalist career. Which is supposed to be a basic tenet of an unbiased journalist.
Being black today lets you get away with any thing up to including murder apparently at PBS.
TeaBaggers
September 22, 2009 - 20:50 ET by ObamaSuxFire da bitch! What's the difference between her comments and Don Imus' comments about nappy headed hos? Fire da bitch!
Tea-baggers
September 23, 2009 - 04:32 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhat I find humorous is how much time and effort has gone into defending the use of the term using semantics, witicisms and creative 'ptetzel logic' by some here, while at the same time they remain absent from other threads dealing with their core, albeit bankrupt, principles.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Gwen, you've had your one...
September 23, 2009 - 07:04 ET by docjohn52We won't accept two...
If I'm not mistaken the omsbudman issued an apologie for the use of the term, and the MSM were instructed to not use the term.
Try to stay up on current events, and learn to use your email.
I have no criticism of her
September 23, 2009 - 14:15 ET by Blogger Guy00001I applaud Gwen for what she said. She didn't know what some people meant by teabaggers, and she regrets saying it. Give her some slack.
On the other hand, most of the media types know exactly what it means, and get a kick out of saying it, because it associates conservatives with a practice that conservatives condemn.
Ifill's lying through her TEETH.
September 23, 2009 - 16:16 ET by TailgunnerAfter months of use and discussion of the term, we're expected to believe that a liberal who is demonstrably biased against conservatives, a 'professional' newsperson who makes her living from current events DOESN'T KNOW what 'teabagger' means?
Nice try. I'm sure those at Media Monsters who sent you on this errand will compliment you for the effort.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
You sound like a lunatic
September 23, 2009 - 17:11 ET by nwahsAre you paranoid or an idiot? You sound like a damn nut. How the hell do you know she knew that term? You don't, but like some typical fool that feeds on talk show pablum, you lash out at your mental deficiencies in the form of a "typical liberal."
Why does conservatism get stuck with the misfits? Can't you at least FAKE intelligence. Here, you have one idiot defending himself with The Federalist essay's and another that mind reads.Take off your tinfoil hat, you jackass. Your talk show diet is making you retarded.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
maybe a little harsh, shawn?
September 23, 2009 - 17:14 ET by BKeysermaybe a little harsh, shawn?
Maybe a little
September 23, 2009 - 17:25 ET by nwahsMaybe a little.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
nwahs
September 23, 2009 - 18:04 ET by FeynmanFanWhat's wrong with you tonight, Shawn? That kind of language is totally uncalled for and you usually exhibit more self-control than that.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Have you ever seen a
September 23, 2009 - 18:38 ET by nwahsHave you ever seen a grownup blow bubbles with spit? Contrary to popular wisdom, you do have to slap ( at least figuratively) people once in awhile.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
nw... Have you ever seen
September 23, 2009 - 18:43 ET by bigtimernw...
Have you ever seen a grownup blow bubbles with spit?
The only so-called grown-up I've seen do that is Chrissy Matthews.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
I could agree with that
September 23, 2009 - 18:48 ET by nwahsIt doesn't take much to entertain him :)
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
→ nwahs
September 23, 2009 - 21:08 ET by Cool ArrowThe visual you posted a few balloons up is John McCain.
What did he do? He abandoned his campaign and rushed back to Washington only to align himself with Barack Obama and President Bush on the TARP vote.
If he'd been the "maverick" he sold himself as, he would have stood alone, pointing an accusing finger at Obama holding hands with Bush shouting "What were you saying about four more years of Bush?"
Yeah, somebody shoulda' slapped him. Come to think of it, somebody did.
Your attempt to stir up discord about John McCain is pretty funny.
You've done better.
Bent Arrow
September 23, 2009 - 21:11 ET by Sergeant ROCKIt was Rush Limbaugh's fault!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
→ Yeah
September 23, 2009 - 21:14 ET by Cool ArrowGoes without saying.
Cool,
September 23, 2009 - 23:03 ET by RESTLESS 1"If he'd been the "maverick" he sold himself as, he would have stood
alone, pointing an accusing finger at Obama holding hands with Bush
shouting "'What were you saying about four more years of Bush?'"
Cool, if he had done that, he wouldn't have been alone.
Of course he wouldn't be a rino either, but he is, and he didin't.
Umm, forgot where I was going with this. :)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
TG is right,
September 23, 2009 - 18:51 ET by general companyShe was chastized by her betters that is why she apologized. She thought she could use the term and get her little fans like you dance and scream. But she works on the peoples money, so they remind her of that, and she decided she really does like her job. The rest is just you avoiding reality.
Do doubt TG ever felt your pansy a$$ slap
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
But, nwahs
September 23, 2009 - 18:53 ET by FeynmanFanYou only debase yourself when you act like that.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I think it was that post I
September 23, 2009 - 19:10 ET by nwahsI think it was that post I read last night. I think about college kids getting into politics for the first time all naive and idealistic. Then I read a post from some POS maggot talking about prying his liberty from the "cold dead fingers (hands?)" of liberals.
http://newsbusters.o...
No one calls that maggot out- not one single person objects that person suggested killing Americans. I really feel no need to be nice to nuts anymore. Its kind of like getting your bearings. I think being nice to nuts might facilitate them.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
→ Nwahs
September 23, 2009 - 19:14 ET by Cool ArrowI think he meant "When the "non-violent" Liberals gnaw off my fingers"
Even so, nwahs
September 23, 2009 - 19:27 ET by FeynmanFanEven so, nwahs, ranting, swearing and calling people names isn't going to advance your cause. A reasonable person might believe that, based on that post, you are as volatile as the person you are railing against.
And keep in mind that "I think being nice to nuts might facilitate them" might be seen by some people as justification for treating you the same way.
Just a friendly suggestion.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I think you're right
September 23, 2009 - 19:58 ET by nwahsI'm going to take a break for about month.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
I agree with that quote, as far as the
September 23, 2009 - 20:08 ET by pahuberlong term for the Republican Party... but painful, very painful in the short term.
HansW~
September 23, 2009 - 20:42 ET by Georgia GirlFrom what I know of you, it seems like the frustrations are just really getting to you lately. But one thing I've always liked about you is that you may pound away at something or bring arguments right to the edge, but you often do hit the "pause" button and seem open to taking a look at yourself. How you have been posting lately doesn't seem like the real you to me -- it's too narrow a view of who you are. Don't forget that what a lot of people enjoy about you is also the fun & creative things you do, like the exercise or music blogs (good stress relievers and conversation) -- and also your sense of humor. I know I appreciate those things.
I don't know...just for what it's worth. We all should probably give ourselves a "time out" once in awhile. :)
Poor baby....make it a freaking YEAR.
September 23, 2009 - 21:43 ET by TailgunnerLet me bring this little group therapy session to a screeching halt.
You sit there with your manufactured moral outrage 'cause a couple of guys posted their true feelings when confronted with this socialist freight train that's about to run US over.
And you have nothing to say when a key figure on the Left BLOWS UP FEDERAL BUILDINGS or when some 'Grape Apes', union thugs in purple shirts OBEY Obama literally by beating up a BLACK PASTOR after calling him a 'N***er'.
Why don't you slither over to the Maddow thread and watch nearly six nonstop minutes of Nazi/Hitler/Kill Bush posters while Maddow hyperventilates over a nonexistent white racist threat to Obama.
Then come back here and tell us who the REAL wackos are.
It's a legitimate fear of imminent tyranny that brings forth posts like those you're all het up about.
And there's plenty of historical precedent for such anger:
"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Who said that, Mr B. Ackwards? HINT: It wasn't Rush, Beck or anyone at the Tea Parties.
It was THOMAS JEFFERSON.
Someone said once that all you had to do to end up in jail was to quote the Founding Fathers everywhere you went. You'd probably be the first one to 'drop a dime' on such a guy.
You're damn right we don't like what's going on here. And we have over 230 years of history of opposition to tyranny, wherever it may be found, to back us up.
So I'm really, really sorry if you think we're too dangerous. Well, not really.
One word, pal...LITHIUM.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Oh good grief FF
September 23, 2009 - 21:46 ET by general companyEven so, nwahs, ranting, swearing and calling people names isn't going to advance your cause.
Neither will his intellect. Why patronize him?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC~
September 23, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Georgia GirlFF is a great person. He's trying to be helpful.
I know, GG
September 23, 2009 - 21:57 ET by general companyHe's trying to be helpful.
I was trying to be funny. : [
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Oh...I'm sorry!
September 23, 2009 - 21:59 ET by Georgia GirlI guess I am getting a little sensitive -- all this fighting going on. :(
Howdy GG... Stuff
September 23, 2009 - 22:14 ET by bigtimerHowdy GG...
Stuff happens..it's life...maybe the full moon is rising.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT~
September 23, 2009 - 22:29 ET by Georgia GirlThanks, gal. :) It's been a rough night! :(
GG, bt and gc~~
September 23, 2009 - 22:35 ET by BKeyserHere's a little humor (I hope) to put a different twist on the night:
Barry's arrival at the UN
And a close up
btw- Cool Arrow asked that I shop something with Barry, or Barney and a unicorn so H/T to CA for the inspiration. I hope these lighten your evening :-)
BKeyser~
September 23, 2009 - 22:43 ET by Georgia GirlOh...my...gosh. Bwahahahahahahahahaah!
Thanks. I needed that. :) Well, actually it's the LAST thing I need to see, but you know what I mean. It's a hoot!
BK... Talk about
September 23, 2009 - 22:43 ET by bigtimerBK...
Talk about rip-roaring laughter when it got to the close-up!
That is truly priceless...I mean that!
It's a keeper to pass around if possible (I'm going to go back and see if I can save that and pass it on, you will get all the credit, as you should)...all I can say is much appreciated.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT
September 23, 2009 - 22:46 ET by BKeyserOf course, download away. Glad you got a chuckle!
BK... You're genius with
September 23, 2009 - 22:52 ET by bigtimerBK...
You're genius with your work.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Did you check to make sure
September 23, 2009 - 22:52 ET by general companyThe feather color was politicly correct, maybe you should had used yellow?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc~~
September 23, 2009 - 22:55 ET by BKeyserWell, I figure Barry's got no problem with half of it being white, anyway.
No wonder they think
September 23, 2009 - 22:43 ET by general companyHe might get plugged, he looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like,,,,,oh you get the idea?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
BK
September 23, 2009 - 23:05 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't think that would be bawney's favorite seat on the uni. :)
Just kidding. Those are good.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Restless~~
September 23, 2009 - 23:09 ET by BKeyseroh, I think there might be something keeping him on that thing- he is "bareback" you notice...
Oh- nice tagline!
Thanks
September 23, 2009 - 23:17 ET by RESTLESS 1It'll be around a little longer. The Maxine Waters quote probably oulived it's usefulness.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
→ Keyser you magnificent bast...
September 23, 2009 - 23:20 ET by Cool ArrowThis surpasses any contribution my imagination could have puked up.
I'm LMAO.
Now that's funny, I don't care who y'are.
That's my Desktop Background for awhile.
H/T Cool Arrow
September 23, 2009 - 23:24 ET by BKeyserH/T Cool Arrow
→ Thanks
September 23, 2009 - 23:30 ET by Cool ArrowBut it was all you.
I can only imagine, You dream in technicolor.
wow BK
September 24, 2009 - 11:04 ET by katainkentdefinately some of your best work
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
General
September 24, 2009 - 07:50 ET by FeynmanFanMy purpose in writing to nwahs wasn't to patronize him. I don't have much respect for the positions he takes on most issues and think that most of the time he's just trying to stir up trouble. Why he does that is a mystery, but that's neither here nor there. It's the different views and opinions that make this site interesting and you have to admit nwahs is about as different as one can get.
It's when he crosses the line of civility that his comments become unacceptable. I think it's only fair to point out that he's crossed the line and give him a chance to back off and apologize. I guess we've all over-reacted at some point and most of us would want to make ammends when that happens. It looks like nwahs recognized he crossed the line, but isn't going to apologize - unless he did it privately.
So, having said all that I think swahs should be banned from NB. This wasn't his first personal attack on someone and he's made other statements that were clearly designed to cause trouble rather than present a point of view. It's one thing to take a different position on something, but being openly hostile to people isn't what NB is about.
Just my $0.02.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I have a spot to document all of nwahs lies.
September 24, 2009 - 08:01 ET by JWFnwahs lies official documentations spot.
Shut up, punk.
September 24, 2009 - 02:07 ET by TailgunnerYou don't know a damn thing about me and you've called me 'paranoid', 'nut' (repeatedly), 'idiot', 'fool', 'mentally deficient', 'jackass', and finally 'retarded'.
You got nothing left but name calling, punk.
Forgive me for not kissing your ass.
I should be kicking it.
Punk.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
I lost my temper and I
September 24, 2009 - 18:27 ET by nwahsI lost my temper and I shouldn't have insulted you like that. I hate two of those words "misfit" and "retarded,"as they are mostly used in incorrect and hateful ways. I apologize. You're right, I don't know you, or your hardships, or your victories. I should not have posted that, nor said those hateful things because we disagree.
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
Accepted.
September 24, 2009 - 18:44 ET by TailgunnerCivility begets civility.
(The converse is also true.)
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
nw... Bg...is a liberal,
September 23, 2009 - 17:19 ET by bigtimernw...
Bg...is a liberal, just as you are.
You both fool nobody.
The trolls continue invading and trolling along...to no avail.
Fun, fun, fun.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Were you being groped by your coach during reading class?
September 23, 2009 - 17:48 ET by TailgunnerAnd, given your ignorance of the Federalist Papers, he was probably abusing you during Citizenship 101 too.
I've given my reasons for not believing Ifill.
You got nothing to back up a single thing you've ever posted on this forum.
Typical liberal.
Olbermann, Matthews, HuffPo, Michael Moore, and Democratic Underground have all let you down.
Your (or their) talking points get shot down routinely.
It's getting to you. And your frustration is showing. You whine, call names, stomp your feet and project like Regal Cinemas.
Next you'll be calling for (Media) Mommy.
Tell me something, pal: Is it difficult to type while sucking your thumb?
Pathetic.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Well you're not getting to me
September 23, 2009 - 17:55 ET by nwahsBut looking at your handle and what you put in your subject, I'm understanding your problems a little more.
"
Were you being groped by your coach during reading class?"
Thats a peculiar place to drift. Unresolved issues for you?
I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama - Glenn Beck
nice rephrase
September 23, 2009 - 17:58 ET by katainkentI can't tell, are you winning?
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
→ Don't know kata
September 23, 2009 - 18:04 ET by Cool ArrowBut he's not denying it either.
'The doctor is IN'.
September 23, 2009 - 21:12 ET by TailgunnerDr Bass Ackwards is in the house to help each of us resolve our repressed traumas and memories of abuse at the hands of child sexual predators...
...no doubt drawing on the experiences of his own many ordeals.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Gunner
September 23, 2009 - 17:55 ET by BlondeYou are wasting your ammo on nwahs....these trolls are so tiresome, and there are so many other interesting things to discuss here.
I hope he fails, too.
But he's so much FUN, Mother!
September 23, 2009 - 21:06 ET by TailgunnerLook how he squirms when you push THIS button...and watch him twist when you squeeze RIGHT THERE...and he even CRIES when he goes for a long time without attention (or being breastfed by Media Mommies).
Can I keep him, Mother? Please??
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
HansW~
September 24, 2009 - 09:24 ET by Georgia GirlFrankly, I'm shocked you would say what you did to Tailgunner. I hadn't read this whole thread. You really need to apologize.
Double entendres
September 24, 2009 - 01:41 ET by LindamaeOur language is loaded with double entendres - it does not mean that we should not use them. I taught 8th graders for 37 years. Wow. Try to use the number 69, for example, in any context without having to deal with snickers. Finally, I perfected my teacher stare and looked the kids in the eyes, wrote the term double entendre on the board - and then told them I knew the meaning they were snickering about and that they knew the meaning I was using - so - stop the snicker and let's get to work. Try explaining the "stirrings" mentioned in The Giver to 8th graders. Same problem. I had to get a crash course on double entendres I was so naive.
Somehow, however, I doubt Gwen did not know since she is in the same media which has bandied the term about. I would have been happier if she said that yes, she knew it had another meaning, but the meaning she ascribed to it was the common usage of adding the -er to a noun to change its meaning to "someone who" To walk equals walker. It was obvious she did not mean the other definition as did Rachel and Anderson - you could see them snicker so there was NO question that they were acting like 8th graders. Actually, so do Chris and Keith, and David, and Campbell --wow -- the list grows.
France has a Bureau of Language which protects the purity of the language - perhaps we need one here. Another czar.