Time's Joe Klein on Sunday accused conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh of "delivering misinformation, lies to a large audience in America."
Such was said during quite a debate between himself and the Washington Times' Amanda Carpenter on CNN's "Reliable Sources."
After Klein angrily made this comment, even host Howard Kurtz seemed a bit taken aback by it saying, "Well, lies is a strong word, but we'll come back to that another time."
What follows is the video and partial transcript of this exchange that began when Kurtz brought up some of the potentially over the line jokes made at Saturday evening's White House Correspondents' Association dinner:
HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: And speaking of Rush Limbaugh, Wanda Sykes, the comedienne who followed the President, told this joke that got some groans in the room. She said that, she kind of accused, she accused Rush Limbaugh of treason and she said, "I think maybe Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker, but he was just strung out on oxycontin and missed his flight." Does that go way, way over the comedic line?
AMANDA CARPENTER, WASHINGTON TIMES: I think it does. I mean, there is a willingess for these jokes to be a little saucy at these dinners. I think that went over the line. I think that joke that she told about Sarah Palin, Todd Palin's sex life was inappropriate. I think that inference that she had to Barack Obama's race at a certain point was also inappropriate.
KURTZ: You're talking about his success will be seen as an African-American president, if not he'd be seen as some half-white guy.
CARPENTER: Yes, I thought that was over the line as well.
JOE KLEIN, TIME: Half, you know, comedy is by definition inappropriate. I mean, this is just comedy. And we're talking about a guy in Rush Limbaugh who is inappropriate half the time I hear him on the radio.
CARPENTER: But he doesn't do it at a White House Correspondents' dinner.
KLEIN: He describes himself as an entertainer. Wanda Sykes, entertainer. This is entertainment.
CARPENTER: But would you hold up Rush Limbaugh at the same dinner if he told those jokes?
RACHEL SKLAR, DAILY BEAST: I really think that it goes to context. I mean, everyone in the room is aware of the bigger picture here, the history. I think that if you deliver a monologue, a toothless monologue without reference to context, then it means nothing.
CARPENTER: I think she could have done a fine job that was in better taste.
KLEIN: So could Rush. He could be in a lot better taste. On a daily basis...
CARPENTER: But he's not speaking at the White House Correspondents' dinner.
KLEIN: ...in which he's delivering misinformation, lies to a large audience in America. That is far more serious than telling a couple of jokes at a banquet.
HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Well, lies is a strong word, but we'll come back to that another time.
As readers likely imagine, Klein's "listening" to Limbaugh likely represents the cherry picked, out of context snippets various left-wing shills are sending him via e-mail.
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May 10, 2009 - 10:04 ET by Cool ArrowI'm watching Face The Nation, and Bob Schieffer seems genuinely surprised when Dick Cheney says. "I didn't know [Colin Powell] was still a Republican"
Isn't that just shocking?
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Colin Powell was never a
May 10, 2009 - 10:45 ET by Gat New YorkColin Powell was never a Republican and probably joined only to advance his own career. His latest statements about taxes and government services prove he is a liberal as the Obamination.
To think we ever considered him a viable presidential candidate just sickens me.
Cool ... I saw that
May 10, 2009 - 15:46 ET by bigtimerCool ...
I saw that too...it was delicious.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey, bt
May 10, 2009 - 15:51 ET by QueenMumLooks like Cheney's stopped hiding behind his Darth Vader mask. If you get my drift.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
LOL...sure do QM... I'm
May 10, 2009 - 16:01 ET by bigtimerLOL...sure do QM...
I'm glad he has come out the last two weeks or so now defending against the administration and the intentional use of releasing these memo's for political gain, this is going to force their hands to show their hypocrisy, look at the fool Pelosi already has been made with her lies.
I have always had nothing but total respect for Dick Cheney, along with his wife, they can put the msm to shame with one sitting....I'll never forget Lynne and Wolfie...what a fool she made of him.
Two of the best...being an honesty person with integrity is something the msm cannot handle, they never have been able too...along with plenty of pols on both sides of the aisle.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt: Did you catch Dana
May 10, 2009 - 16:05 ET by QueenMumbt: Did you catch Dana Perrino (sp?) on BOR this week? She's still holding her cards close to the vest. Not yet willing to publicly take a side. Don't know if it's out of respect for the office of the POTUS or an unwillingness to brand herself. Opinion?
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
QM... I saw it. I was
May 10, 2009 - 16:13 ET by bigtimerQM...
I saw it.
I was somewhat disappointed.
I don't know what to think anymore at times....know what I mean?
Btw...I added an extra 'o' to 'to' above...don't feel like editing it...I'm sure everyone knew what I meant.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Yeah, bt. You can't be too
May 10, 2009 - 16:19 ET by QueenMumYeah, bt. You can't be too careful about editing. ;)
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
I too was disappointed with Dana Perino...
May 10, 2009 - 23:12 ET by jawebster1because she acted like she was still a spokesman for the President. She seemed afraid to to say anything controversial. George Bush and his administration bent over backwards to be nice to everybody, even their mortal enemies like Kennedy, Pelosi and Reid. Obama says he wants to change the tone in Washington. Now we know what he meant. He wants to divide and polarize the country and so far he is succeeding. No wonder Rush wanted him to fail. Jim Webster
A friend recently sent me a link to an MSNBC Nora O'D/
May 10, 2009 - 18:48 ET by Cape ConservativeLiz Cheney clip - it was FANTASTIC! I believe it was from April 09. You can tell Liz is a chip off the old block - she has the intelligence of both parents and the good looks and 'you aren't going to get the best of me' speaking style of her mom!
The media did their level best to destroy this man and his family but they continue to live their lives with CLASS! (a forgotten attribute in the current administration!)
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
CC... Oh yeah...it didn't
May 10, 2009 - 18:57 ET by bigtimerCC...
Oh yeah...it didn't get much better than that...I happened to catch that live myself.
She made a fool of Norah.
Chip off the old block indeed, from both parents.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Any straw will do I guess
May 10, 2009 - 10:07 ET by jed58Keep grasping those straws as "Time" gets smaller and smaller
Apparently he is getting
May 10, 2009 - 10:40 ET by kgApparently he is getting his news on Rush not by listening to him but rather from left wing hackers like MSNBC and DailyKOS.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
After 20yrs of Rush
May 10, 2009 - 10:13 ET by Paul Geither they don't listen and are liars, or they are like my ex-wives, if I said the sky was blue, they would say the sky was orange. They're wrong, but you can't argue because they're right.
Rush says he's right 99% of the time...I don't know when he's wrong that 1%.
A man representing a
May 10, 2009 - 10:16 ET by SmartypantsA man representing a publication that spreads misinformation and lies is accusing Rush Limbaugh of spreading misinformation and lies? Great.
Every time the left accuses Rush, or any other conservative, of anything it is always done with generalities and empty invective. If Limbaugh is indeed spreading lies, would it be that difficult for Klein to come up with just one example?
The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.
Because TIME is a beacon of
May 10, 2009 - 10:18 ET by wiwfBecause TIME is a beacon of truth in this world of lies, bias, and misinformation!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Time goes down. Rush goes up,
May 10, 2009 - 10:19 ET by Iowa BoyAw. Poor Joe Klein, who is stuck working for a slumping (in subscriptions and advertising), unentertaining, opinion driven "news" magazine while Rush Limbaugh hosts a highly successful (in ratings and profit), entertaining, opinion driven, yet fact-based talk show. The resentment dripping off Mr. Klein is making a mess on the floor. Somebody get a mop.
"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa
→ Careful Iowa Boy
May 10, 2009 - 10:24 ET by Cool ArrowThough it's true Time goes down, it should be mentioned Time is monogamous.
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Monogamous meaning...
May 10, 2009 - 10:26 ET by Iowa Boy...it only has one subscriber?
"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa
JOE KLEIN, TIME: Half, you
May 10, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Jack BauerThanks Joe .. now what is it about Ted Kennedy...
...His brain tumor's gotten so big, his head's bigger than the Elephant Man
...His brain tumor is so dumb it could be in the Obama cabinet.
...His brain tumor is even less malignant than him.
Don't worry folks just being unfunnily inappropriate, just like liberal putz's like Klein.
I heard that during a recent
May 10, 2009 - 11:35 ET by PewahI heard that during a recent operation to biopsy his tumor they inadvertently stimulated an adjacent part of his brain and triggered a latent memory at which point he sat upright on the operating table and exclaimed, "I'll be right back...and don't worry about the water...you've got plenty of air in here!"
I'm sure Joe can give us
May 10, 2009 - 10:24 ET by rbosqueI'm sure Joe can give us some examples. We can certainly come up with some of Time's "truths".
Name One
May 10, 2009 - 10:30 ET by slickwillie2001The obvious response to the 'Rush Limbaugh lies' meme is -"name one". I guess Kurtz is incapable of the obvious. Wouldn't want to embarrass Klein now would we?
KURTZ: "Well, lies is a
May 10, 2009 - 12:20 ET by Dan DiegoKURTZ: "Well, lies is a strong word, but we'll come back to that another time."
Translated: If we ever find lies we'll do non-stop breathless "Breaking News" reports for a couple of weeks.
The wimp Joe Klein and the Left are scared to death of Rush...
May 10, 2009 - 10:30 ET by ThalpyThe wimp Joe Klein and the Left are scared to death of Rush Limbaugh, and rightly so. (leftly so) Coming from a moron spokesman of the Left, where truth has No value unless it serves them, this is ridiculous since that's what the Left are best at: delivering misinformation, lies to a large audience in America. Time and the rest of the MSM try to cram their lies down our throats every day.
I like the balance of
May 10, 2009 - 10:34 ET by TEI like the balance of Kurtz's panel: Three hardline, boilerplate leftists (Kurtz, Klein and Rachel Sklar) against Amanda Carpenter. Although I am not familiar with Carpenter, and she evidently is conservative, she must be the type of "conservative" who is either unwilling or incapable of properly combating the leftist drivel that pours out of the mouths of people like Kurtz, Klein and Sklar. That must explain why Kurtz has her on his show. It's like other leftists from the self-described "mainstream" media always have such "Republicans" (i.e., non-Republicans) and "conservatives" (i.e., non-conservatives) like David "Gergen" Brooks, Michael Smerconish, Colin Powell, Kathleen Parker, Andrew Sullivan, David Gergen, Chuck Hagel, Linsey Graham, etc., on their programs to "represent" the "Republican" and "conservative" point of view.
TE
May 10, 2009 - 10:39 ET by Noel SheppardTE,
I thought Amanda did a great job. That's why Klein was getting so angry -- he's not used to anyone challenging him. ns
Mr. Shepperd: Thank
May 10, 2009 - 11:02 ET by TEMr. Shepperd:
Thank you for the note pointing out that Amanda Carpenter did a good job combating the boilerplate leftism of Kurtz, Klein and Sklar. I didn't see the show. I used to watch that show sometimes, but it became unbearable watching Kurtz have on three other leftists and someone like Michael Smerconish or Kathleen Parker thrown in for some "balance". Maybe I should read Ms. Carpenter online to see what she has to say ....
TE
May 10, 2009 - 11:42 ET by Noel SheppardTE,
Well, I've updated the post with an embedded video of the segment. Take a look, and see how Amanda did. ns
Cherry Picked
May 10, 2009 - 10:37 ET by spiffI don't believe it's “cherry picked” but sporadic listening. As Rush said himself, he constantly references what was said in the past and if someone just drops in for a casual gander, they ARE NOT going to grasp what Rush is saying. Sure in a sense it is “cherry picked” but at the same time it is more ignorance of how Rush operates.
Now if the Loony Left did listen to Rush in the prescribed manner then they really could “Cherry Pick” the pieces that wish to use.
The American Form of Government
Historic
May 10, 2009 - 11:02 ET by BlondeRACHEL SKLAR, DAILY BEAST: I really think that it goes to context. I mean, everyone in the room is aware of the bigger picture here, the history.
I really wish the media conservatives would start to totally debunk this "historic" mythology that the liberals continually spout. It's stupid, and it's getting really old.
I, for one, am not willing to give BHO a pass for anything because it's "historic".....time to get over it.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde
May 10, 2009 - 11:20 ET by botgthank-you for your historic post on the historic media coverage of this hysteric administration
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
botg
May 10, 2009 - 11:26 ET by BlondeNo, thank you, for your histrionic acknowledgement.
I hope he fails, too.
of course Blonde
May 10, 2009 - 11:35 ET by botgthe sad part is that when this admin makes real history, heaven help us
the only true history it's done thus far is put the country on the verge of bankrupcy while insuring a 30% drop in the value of the dollar.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Here's historic
May 10, 2009 - 11:54 ET by BlondeI'll leave out all of the minorly stupid historic moments (insulting the Brits by returning Churchill's bust, Jay Leno, bowing to the Saudi; scaring the crap out of Manhattan) and go straight for the major historically stupid moments, in the first (not yet completed) four months.
Acting like a teenager apologizing for everything while not owning up to anything (blame the other guy); hamming it up with a dictator (Chavez); making up with Castro; proposing that returning combat vets provide for their own medical coverage; signing a $1.2 trillion dollar annual defecit; abrogating 250 years of contract law; punting every difficult issue to the incompetent Speaker of the House; flip flopping even higher than John Kerry ~ Gitmo closes, wait it must stay open, uh, uh, wait...not sure yet, TOTUS hasn't told him the answer; being openly laughed at by the Russian Bear due to wimpiness....the list goes on. He's going to throw Israel under the Bamster bus, too, no doubt about that.
So yeah, I'm really tired of the historic BHO administration.
I hope he fails, too.
>>>KLEIN: ...in which he's
May 10, 2009 - 11:20 ET by seanrobins>>>KLEIN: ...in which he's delivering misinformation, lies to a large
audience in America. That is far more serious than telling a couple of
jokes at a banquet.
>>>HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Well, lies is a strong word, but we'll come back to that another time.
Is anyone surprised that no one can bother to ask this miscreant to cite a single one of Rush's lies?
sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com
Rush is a liar
May 10, 2009 - 11:21 ET by JosephPJoe Klein is correct to call Rush Limbaugh inappropriate and a liar. No doubt that right wing sites that claim to expose media bias will use the comments by Klein as an example of liberal bias. But Rush did say that he hopes the President's policies fail. And he made it clear that he was not merely hoping that the President fail, but that the policies implemented to avert the banking crisis fail---in other words, he would prefer the country suffer than have any credit go to Obama for helping the country recover.
As for Rush being a liar, that's evident every day. Remember the "phony soldiers" comment (Rush clearly says a plural "soldiers" in the tape). Rush lied and claimed that he was talking about a single soldier which he refered to earlier in the program. He then further lied and released what he declared to be the "unedited" tape of the exchange---but the tape was in fact editted to create the impression that the mention of the single soldier and the "phony soldiers" comment were in the same discussion. This is just one example of Rush's lies---there's too many to list comprehensively.
And as for "inappropriate" comments, I don't think you can beat claiming that the Clintons had aquired a dog and then holding up a picture of Chelsea (who was 13 at the time). Rush later lied about this and claimed that he picked up the wrong picture (yea sure). Or how about telling a caller with a black sounding voice to "get the bone out of his nose."
The trouble with a site like this is that it finds (what it thinks is) an example of liberal bias, and then simply compares it to another example where the political situation is reversed. If the selected examples have different outcomes, then liberal bias is declared. But this is not a valid conclusion because the examples are selected after the fact, allowing the person doing the selecting to pick examples that confirm his own biases. A valid study to survey media bias would pre-determine what types of examples constitute bias, then predetermine a range of media sources (newspapers, television, blogs) and predetermine a survey date range. Then the study would evaluate the entire predetermined range and tabulate the instances of bias by the predetermined bias criteria, and draw conclusions from the final tabulation. Simply finding an example here and there doesn't cut it.
JosephP
May 10, 2009 - 11:31 ET by botgthe reason to want BHO to fail is because if he suceeds in pushing and implementing his foolish economic policies, he will bankrupt the country. He's already interfered enough to delay the recovery by a year and have us and our children paying for for his stupidity for 20 years to come.
As to your 'input' start a site if you're so smart..........
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Exactly, it is so tiring
May 10, 2009 - 11:48 ET by SmartypantsExactly, it is so tiring seeing liberals trying to twist what Limbaugh said, and then crucify him for their twisted interpretation. I, too, hope Obama fails--absolutely. Obama wants a country shaped in his image, where the government is the provider for the people and the people serve at its pleasure, instead of the other way around. He wants a world of equal outcomes instead of equal opportunity, and he wants a U.S.A. that bows to the rest of the world. May he fail in all of these endeavors, and then may he go back to the rock he crawled out from under and leave our country alone.
The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.
Thanks, SP - I, too, hope the president's policies fail - that
May 11, 2009 - 16:59 ET by Cape Conservativeway, HOPEFULLY America will SURVIVE!
If his policies succeed, America as we have known it will disappear FOREVER and Socialism will be the ruination of our country!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Hay JosephP, It took you a YEAR and a half to come up with this!
May 10, 2009 - 11:37 ET by upcountrywaterYou have been lurking, here and this is what your first post... coulda shoulda of posted it 2 years ago.. it's so dated.
Rush is right 99% of the time... Not 100% like your master the OAF.
Reagan VS 0bama
Says you.
May 10, 2009 - 11:43 ET by BlondeWell then, go for it.....do your own study and present your facts.
And your final sentence incredibly "doesn't cut it" (I won't do the same thing Klein does and call you a liar)....every day there are myriad examples of liberal bias, but I know that's a point of view that no liberal can grasp.
If this site troubles you...there's a simple solution.
I hope he fails, too.
JosephP, the problem with
May 10, 2009 - 11:43 ET by SmartypantsJosephP, the problem with you is that you too see only one side of the story. If Klein is correct in labeling Limbaugh a "liar" then what is Klein himself? Time Magazine spreads malicious falsehoods and lies with every publication it puts out! The difference is that Limbaugh is an ENTERTAINER while Time is supposed to be a serious news magazine. The fact that you don't see the difference is indicative of your own shortcoming.
In terms of the "phony soldiers" comment, that was discredited long ago, buddy. Nice try. It is another example of the left taking Limbaugh's words entriely out of context, and then trying to marginalize him to those who never listen to the show. The idea that Rush Limbaugh would disparage military people is outrageous. In fact, Democrat politicians have said worse things than that to the media and nothing was made of it. When John Kerry, Harry Reid and others directly disparage our troops it is acceptable, but you have to twist Limbaugh's words with some kind of pretzel-shaped logic--keying in on whether or not he said something in plural or singular as being the deciding factor. Democrats openly call our troops murderers and you're splitting hairs to try to indict Limbaugh. You're so caught up in your own nonsense that you cannot see the ridiculous logic you are using.
Finally, the purpose of this site is not to present a "valid study" of media bias, it is to shed light on examples of the leftward bias that is rampant in the press. The left even acknowledges this bias now. If you want studies of media bias, I suggest you check a UCLA study that was performed a few years back which demonstrated the press to be overwhelmingly liberal in its presentation of stories.
The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama's war on capitalism.
SP - I wonder why JP failed to bring up Harry Reid's infamous
May 11, 2009 - 17:07 ET by Cape Conservativeletter that Rush was able to auction off for a huge charitable contribution!!!
Hmmm, now whose signatures were on that letter again???? Oh yes, here are the names of those fine upstanding public servants!!!!
Harry Reid
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Blanche Lincoln
Richard Durbin
Kent Conrad
Bob Menendez
Charles Schumer
Christopher Dodd
Barbara Mikulski
Patty Murray
Byron Dorgan
Bill Nelson
Daniel Akaka
Dianne Feinstein
Barack Obama
Max Baucus
Tom Harkin
Jack Reed
Joseph Biden
Daniel Inouye
Jay Rockefeller
Barbara Boxer
Edward M. Kennedy
Ken Salazar
Sherrod Brown
John Kerry
Bernie Sanders
Robert Byrd
Amy Klobuchar
Debbie Stabenow
Benjamin Cardin
Mary Landrieu
Jon Tester
Tom Carper
Frank Lautenberg
Jim Webb
Bob Casey
Patrick Leahy
Sheldon Whitehouse
Carl Levin
Ron Wyden
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Did anybody here not
May 10, 2009 - 11:53 ET by PewahDid anybody here not recognize media liberal bias prior to this and other websites pointing it out for us? Thanks so much buddy for opening our eyes!
Joseph, you are just another kool-aid drinker who isn't willing to give honest consideration to the fact that you and many others in this country have been indoctrinated by a steady diet of liberal instruction, both in the media and in school. Your last paragraph is proof that you have not never entertained an objective thought about the MSM in your lifetime. Your analysis of how conservatives come about to their views of what is obviously endemic liberalism in the media are overly simplistic and pathetic.
"Evident every day"?
May 10, 2009 - 12:06 ET by Mike BrattonReally, Joseph? Maybe you should ask Klein what the word "Anonymous" means before taking him to be a bulwark for the defense of ethical standards.
The "phony solider" nonsesnse was from back in 2007. The business with Chelsea Clinton was in 1992--and, objectively speaking, was done much more vigorously by Saturday Night Live. And while I might observe how racist it is of you, Joseph, to state that someone can have "a black sounding voice," the incident you reference happened all the way back in the early 1970s.
Unless you have more substantive retorts than those three rather wobbly examples, this business of Mr. Limbaugh's supposed lying and rude speaking being "evident every day" is a load of nonsense. Why, in the space of one post, you echoed a lie and made your own, original "inappropriate" statement. Imagine that.
And with regard to the supposed evils of NewsBusters, you registered here roughly a year and a half ago. That means you've had enough access to know that NB doesn't find "an example here and there" of liberal media bias. Consequently, your statement is at best disingenuous, and at worst a deliberate misstatement of fact.
Amazing. In one post, Joseph, you've provided us with as many lies and as much inappopriateness from your own self as you cite from Mr. Limbaugh over a period of perhaps thirty-five years.
Quite an accomplishment.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Been here one year and 29 weeks and this is your first post
May 10, 2009 - 13:17 ET by R D HelmWelcome to NewsBusters, troll.
-Dave
The statists aren't coming, they are already here.
The boychild convulsed and
May 10, 2009 - 13:31 ET by Jack BauerThe boychild convulsed and gave birth to a mouse. Too boring to flame.
Joseph: It would be more
May 10, 2009 - 13:55 ET by BDJoseph:
It would be more appropriate to state that Limbaugh stated that he hoped Obama failed to enact his desired policies since after all, we all know the policies Obama desires to enact will be ruinous to the nation.
In that regard, I to wish Obama to fail.
Regarding that, Limbaugh has not lied, he has stated his poisiton elloquently and often.
As for Rush being a liar, that's evident every day. Remember the "phony soldiers" comment (Rush clearly says a plural "soldiers" in the tape). Rush lied and claimed that he was talking about a single soldier which he refered to earlier in the program.
josephP, you are a clueless wonder.
May 10, 2009 - 17:12 ET by pahuberBut a typical liberal.
I would think most everyone
May 10, 2009 - 19:05 ET by MozillaI would think most everyone that comes on here wants Obama to fail at destroying America, bankrupting the economy and creating socialism and moral decay. If that is the "change" then it is change for the worst and just for the DNC to have evil power for their misuse.
So yeah Rush is right. Obama and all his goons in his party and administration are no good for America. So if we feel this way and this is the truth then why would we support anything Obama does and why should Rush.
The problem with the left, you can find them at places like Daily Kos, is they think to have tolerance you have agree with them 100 percent. Well let me say this and say this once...That's not how it works. For one thing the DNC is corrupt and for another I have a right to make up my own mind and not get spoon fed by anyone. I just happen to think like everyone who basically comes on here that not only is Rush right but he is saying the Truth.
The lies of the left have to be exposed. The real liars are on the left. People like Keith Olbermann, David Shuster, Bob Beckel, Contessa Brewer, Joe Klein, Rachel Maddow, Katie Couric, Kirsten Powers, Chris Matthews, and Rick Sanchez to name a few who are pretending to stand for honesty but are advancing a bad president, congress, and agenda. They are as much the problem as the voters who are horse fed this nonsense.
I used to give both sides a fair shake. But I see the left is nothing but ruthless and vindictive and not "compassionate" or really willing to listen to critics. A bunch of thugs who think whatever they want is only right. Hypocrites and liars all of the time.
Bashing Carrie Prejean for her comments by the left takes the cake. Going after Sarah Palin because she is a conservative woman is a joke. And lying to the American people about Acorn is dangerous. The left has so many abuses of power that it is hard to know where to begin. But they have only themselves to look at as liars, hypocritics, and power hungry backstabbers. They are the ones ruining American now.
Even you got it wrong.
May 11, 2009 - 15:09 ET by Ozark_SunshineYou got it right the first time when you wrote, "But Rush did say that he hopes the President's policies fail." But then you turn around and continue with the liberal lie by posting, "And he made it clear that he was not merely hoping that the President fail". He has said time and again that he wants Obama to succeed with good policies. But the policies him and the Democrats and the RINOs put in place are bad policies. You can't have it both ways by correctly quoting him and then intentionally misquoting him to make a point. You are as bad as the lying mainstream media. You have no proof of your list other than too say they are too many to list. If you cannot list them, no need to take you serious. Obama lies! He won't show his birth certificate or college records to prove he was born in the US. These are facts, you wrote garbage and opinion. Obama lied! He claims the economy is not of his doing, yet he was in Congress voting the party line supporting bailouts. Pelosi lies! She says she's pro-union, yet her and her husband refuse to allow the unions to organize at their vineyards and hotels. Franks lies! He claims he's not responsible for this mess yet he is on tape tiome and again telling Congress and the people that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are on solid financial footing. These are provable lies. The one on the soldier you quote Rush on is your lie. I listened to the facts on this time and again. Go back to the DailyKos or HuffPo, we see throough your lies as much as through Obama's and all the leftists media's lies. Why do you think so many are declaring bankruptcy, NYT, LAT, ChiSunTimes, NewsWeek. They've all lost credibility, just like you, JosephP.
Ozark, have you read the
May 11, 2009 - 17:09 ET by JerOzark, have you read the transcript of Rush's original comments regarding Obama and failure even once? Your post makes it difficult to believe you have.
Jer
Questions for you, Jer.
May 12, 2009 - 03:16 ET by Mike BrattonWhose transcript did you read?
And is that supposed to trump having heard the original broadcast segment?
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Answers for you, Mike.
May 12, 2009 - 03:51 ET by JerWhat transcript?
The full transcript related to the topic which was posted at Rush's website. It was fairly lengthy. I read it in its entirety at least three times, and parts of it probably three or four additional times.
Does that trump having heard the original broadcast segment?
Yes.
Jer
Were we playing bridge?
May 12, 2009 - 13:07 ET by Mike BrattonSomeone forgot to tell me this was a card game, and not a conversation.
Jer, reading a transcript never trumps hearing the original conversation. Unless you subscribe to some super-special Rush Limbaugh transcript service the rest of us don't know about (and if so, please forward the info to me!), reading any transcript gives you precious little insight into the nuances of the original spoken language.
And please dial it back a little. I ask respectful questions, and I'd appreciate respectful answers in return.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Mike, what in the world are you talking about?
May 12, 2009 - 15:30 ET by JerMike, what in the world are you talking about?
Someone forgot to tell me this was a card game, and not a conversation.
You asked me if reading a transcript "trumped" hearing the original broadcast. "Trumped" is a term in bridge which you brought up, not I. I simply restated your question and answered "yes". [Inasmuch as I have read and referred to the transcript multiple times over the course of the past few months (as I previously explained), I think my affirmative answer was reasonable. You are free to disagree.]
And please dial it back a little. I ask respectful questions, and I'd appreciate respectful answers in return.
I'm going to assume you're joking, because otherwise that is the most absurd statement I've encountered in quite a while. There was not a shred of disrespect contained in my earlier response.
But while we're on the topic of respect, you might recall our last conversation where I meticulously addressed every point you had raised regarding one of my posts and you failed to even give me the courtesy of a reply. I'm still waiting.
Jer
I misinterpreted your italics. Apologies.
May 12, 2009 - 16:45 ET by Mike BrattonWith regard to your opinion, though, hearing something firsthand is much more desirable than reading about it second- or third-hand.
And with regard to what I'm certain was a meticulous response, I don't recall the subject matter in question; if you can provide a link, that would be great. On occasion, I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast by lunch time...
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Apology accepted, Mike.
May 12, 2009 - 17:21 ET by JerApology accepted, Mike.
Agreed, there are some advantages on some occasions of having listened to the orignial broadcast vs. reading the transcript. In this particular case, I would argue that my accessing the original, verbatim, unedited transcript from Rush's website and reading it carefully several times is preferable to a one-time hearing of the inital airing.
Re the other matter, it's related to an old, stale thread. My current reference to it was a bit of an over-sensitive reaction to what I perceived as an unfair charge in your post above, but based on your explanation, I'm comfortable with letting it slide.
Clean slate.
Jer
Much obliged. Bygones, then.
May 12, 2009 - 17:53 ET by Mike Bratton(I am sorry, though, that you went to a great deal of trouble to respond to something of mine without any response from me.)
I'll tell you a secret, Jer, about Rush's transcripts: I'm not a fan.
Having heard, then read, comments of his on numerous occasions, I just don't think his site transcription service is as copious as it could otherwise be. However, when a transcript is all you have to work with, it'll have to do--unless you're able to find the audio on YouTube or some such location.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport...
Klein couldn't find
May 10, 2009 - 11:44 ET by Delsathe "truth" if he fell over it!
He is the most hate twisted voice on the tele or in print!
Delsa
May 10, 2009 - 11:46 ET by Noel SheppardD,
More hate-filled than Olbermann? Or Dowd? ns
Yeah, Joe Klown is
May 10, 2009 - 11:59 ET by fitzfongYeah, Joe Klown is credible. There's no irony at all in a guy who wrote a book and denied he wrote it accusing someone else of delivering misinformation and lies.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Illustrating absurdity with absurdity----
May 10, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Roscoe MendagoRush's show is made up of pointing out statements such as Klein's. Rush illustrates absurdity with absurdity and it should make those, like Klein defensive, and oh by-the-way, Joe Klein has never listened to Rush or he wouldn't have said Rush lies. Joe Klein is a hair on fire, committed leftist and has no interest in listening to Rush's show, no more than I would listen to a leftist radio show. Lies are the left's source of what make-up their reality, Nancy Pelosi is the classic example of their reliance on lies to push an agenda, couldn't be better illustrated.
"Crescent moon adorned doors open to the sustenance of the purveyors of slippery rhetoric, oh forget the scent of reality, it's warm in there." Waverly-
Progressives Are All Divide-y, Now Aren't They?
May 10, 2009 - 12:20 ET by rammingspeedWe don't have to hope Obama's policies fail. They will, because socialism doesn't work. Rush Limbaugh clarified his statement in great detail after he was first challenged on it, and his explanation has been completely ignored by the Left.
Will progressives be as outraged about Sykes hoping Limbaugh dies?
What she said isn't the problem; it's the gleeful support she gets from the Democratic party and the holier-than-thou progressives in the MSM that is disturbing.
They hanged Julius Streicher, Jew basher-hater number one, for the things he wrote in Nazi Germany's Der Stürmer. Sykes and her crew have the exact same spirit as did Heir Streicher.
Truth to Power
May 10, 2009 - 12:46 ET by slickwillie2001I believe Rush Limbaugh is one of the bravest men in America today. He really does 'speak truth to power'. When the liberals used that term re the kinder gentler President George W. Bush it was ridiculous. The Bamster on the other hand is accumulating and freely exercising naked executive power that Don Corleone would envy. This is what one of his minions said to a Chrysler bondholder last week:
"Who the f*** do you think you're dealing with? We'll have the IRS audit your fund. Every one of your employees. Your investors. Then we will have the Securities and Exchange Commission rip through your books looking for anything and everything and nothing we find to destroy you with." (Ref)
This is the kind of thuggery we have from this White House. Anyone willing to stand up to this, is very brave and a great American patriot.
sw - sounds like good old Chicago thug politics run amuck!
May 11, 2009 - 17:12 ET by Cape ConservativeThis comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
JosephP's comment
May 10, 2009 - 12:53 ET by bobwhiteJo, I must commend you for giving us so many examples of that mind boggling, leftist, pretzel logic. Good grief, how do you people function? Oh wait, never mind, the Government does it for you.
Breaking news ...
May 10, 2009 - 13:17 ET by 10ksnookerTime magazine actually has a subscriber, and CNN actually has a viewer. And I thought both were dead.
The irony of Klein's
May 10, 2009 - 13:24 ET by RogerCfromSDThe irony of Klein's bullcrap is too thick to cut with a chainsaw.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
Lefty equivalence
May 10, 2009 - 14:30 ET by ThisnThat"Let's talk about the horrible job Wanda Sykes did".
Klein: No, instead, let's bring up Rush Limbaugh and claim that he is equivalent. That way, we can divert attention and I can get my talking points in.
Typical leftists. What poor excuses for human beings they are.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
The left in general
June 22, 2009 - 18:41 ET by Emanuel GoldstienLet's not forget that Joe wasn't addressing anything in particular. He knows that his leftist audience does NOT do their homework, does NOT pay attention to current events, does NOT investigate anything for themselves, and that they regurgitate that which they hear from people like HIM!
That was just some garbage he wants them to repeat. Nothing more.
But let a conservative...
May 10, 2009 - 15:07 ET by Rhymes With Right... wish that Sykes developbreast or uterine or ovarian cancer and there would be outrage. And I'm not even suggesting something more outrageous like saying would be amusing if she were dragged from her home by the KKK and lynched (sort of like what was said about the impeachement managers by a certain low-class hollywood "celebrity during the Klintoon years) -- I'm talking the moral and medical equivalent of what she said about Limbaugh.
And, of course, she has no problem with questioning Limbaugh's patriotism and denigrating his right to dissent. But then again, the rules are different for liberals and conservatives.
Blogging at rhymeswithright.mu.nu
This Being the Same Joe Klein Who LIED About His Book?
May 10, 2009 - 15:18 ET by farstar99Typical Democrat HYPOCRITE.
A page right out of Lenin: "Accuse others of that which you do."
Knock a Klein
May 10, 2009 - 15:29 ET by williarsWho better to tell us about lies. He's market-tested.
Randy
MSNBC
May 10, 2009 - 15:46 ET by tonyrich300Why did you have to post a picture of Joe Klein on MSNBC. His statements had absolutely nothing to do with MSNBC.
Congratulations,
May 10, 2009 - 18:27 ET by fitzfongCongratulations, tonyrich300. You win the award for troll non sequitur of the day.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
fitz...that's why I
May 10, 2009 - 18:31 ET by bigtimerfitz...that's why I strolled right on past him.
They just can't help themselves...it's their job it's what they do.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I'm betting tonyrich300 is
May 10, 2009 - 18:36 ET by JerI'm betting tonyrich300 is a Freeper plant to make the NB libs look bad.
Jer
LOL, Jer. The NB Libs
May 10, 2009 - 18:40 ET by ThisnThatLOL, Jer. The NB Libs certainly don't need any such assistance, dontcha know?
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Foolish me...change "bad"
May 10, 2009 - 18:43 ET by JerFoolish me...change "bad" to "worse".
Jer
Much
May 10, 2009 - 18:51 ET by ThisnThatMuch better.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Joe still remains Mr.
May 10, 2009 - 15:50 ET by bigtimerJoe still remains Mr. Anonymous to most...
I just can't wait for the mag he writes for to become as such also.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Care to back up those words, Joe?
May 10, 2009 - 15:54 ET by konoIf you're going to call someone a liar (especially in public), you'd better be ready with examples -- in context -- and refutation.
If name-calling and innuendo is all you've got, then just shut yo' mouf.
I'd like to ask this Klein
May 10, 2009 - 17:17 ET by NL207I'd like to ask this Klein to detail exactly what lies and misinformation Limbaugh is disseminating. I think it a great deal more likely that Klein is the one who is misinformed and believes a great many things which are simply not true.
Re examples
May 10, 2009 - 18:30 ET by slickwillie2001Not going to happen. If you found a way to statistically measure Rush Limbaugh's accuracy over thirty years or so and compare it to that of al New York Times, or Newsweek, or Time magazine, I have no doubt that Rush would be more accurate by a magnitude or two.
Add to that the fact that he is live, taking live questions from listeners and answering those questions with tape recorders running at Soros & Co. all over the country, his accuracy is all the more remarkable. Just look at the pitiful examples some of our talking-points posters have come up with.
Again, Kurtz missed a huge opportunity, but then he didn't want to embarrass Klein. His failure to follow up in this regard is almost Larry King-like.
Has Joe Klein ever noticed
May 10, 2009 - 17:26 ET by P. AaronHas Joe Klein ever noticed that his very own TIME magazine is delivering fewer and fewer magazines to the public.
Joe Shihtzu
May 10, 2009 - 18:01 ET by AgentAmericanJoe the shaved shih tzu is too busy oggling Obambi's pecs.
2010: A GOP Hill
This is Joe Klein, "listening" to Rush Limbaugh
May 10, 2009 - 19:29 ET by pbthinker"Hello America, this is Rush Limbaugh, your loveable little fuzz-ball....." CLICK as Klein mutters, "Lies."
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
pb... LOL...Exactly
May 10, 2009 - 19:35 ET by bigtimerpb...
LOL...Exactly right!
As Rush says with this line, and it fits Klein perfectly... just another glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Time Magazine Circulation Figures
May 10, 2009 - 19:36 ET by gopcongressLet's go to the tape. Specifically, http://www.magazine.....
Time Magazine has lost over 17% of their readership in a SINGLE YEAR.
Paid and verified subscribers: http://www.magazine....
2006 Circulation Figure: 4,082,740 (8th place)
2007 Circulation Figure: 3,374,505 (13th place,drop of 5 places)
(2008 shows virtually the same as '07, but no comparisons can be made until the year is over)
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Moderate... Democrat... Liberal... Progressive... Socialist... Communist—The progression is clear as day.
How I loved receiving that check from Time when I cancelled
May 11, 2009 - 17:17 ET by Cape Conservativeour subscription!!! Glad to know I am one of the 17% crowd!!!!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Ohh, let me think about
May 10, 2009 - 20:44 ET by Andrew H.Ohh, let me think about this one! Joe Klein calling out another as delvering misinformation and lying.
No, I simply can't, can't wrap my arms around this.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
What 'lies' and what
May 10, 2009 - 22:52 ET by RR GOPWhat 'lies' and what 'misinformation' exactly? Please elaborate Comrade.
Of course they mean anybody on the airwaves who don't deliver Dem talking points.
I bet Rush would magically be buff and drug-free if he suddenly announced he was a Liberal and he's been wrong all these years.
Seriously, I don't know why Fox News gets these Dems on these shows with them only spewing talking points and offering no real insights to anything. Saw one Republican doing that on O'Reilly's show last year and even I wanted to tell her to get lost with that crap.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
I never did like Klein and I am glad...
May 10, 2009 - 23:01 ET by jawebster1I have taken every opportunity to not watch him on TV. Needless to say, it has been over 40 years since I last read his magazine, such as it is. Jim Webster
Maybe Klein is referring to
May 10, 2009 - 23:20 ET by ckc1227Maybe Klein is referring to those Time articles Rush references on the air when he says Rush is lying.
The Worst Liar in the Woooorld
May 11, 2009 - 07:04 ET by needleOf all the liars in the media Joe Klein was perhaps THE MOST INFLUENTIAL LIAR with his huge pack of lies used as a call to action to deliberately destroy, with total disregard for the truth, Sarah Palin’s candidacy.
I hope I am nowhere near him when he stands before the Lord in Judgment.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Time
May 11, 2009 - 09:18 ET by lookSomebody bought me a subscription for Time Mag as a gift. I had a heck of an ordeal stopping delivery. I was told that it was already paid for and that a third party was handling distribution. It took me a month to hault the the deliveries, unless my wife is hiding them from me...
As Klein delivers lies to a smaller audience of leftists.
May 11, 2009 - 09:29 ET by CrashYes Joe, Rush does deliver "Misinformation" & "Lies", if by "deliver(ing)" you mean analyze the NEWS de jour? And you play your part so competently well by pumping for the left; MSM lying leftists rat bag!